Anyone who knows me knows I have little use for organized religion, which is why I often marvel that I have a friend of many years who's a Jehovah's Witness. She and I agree to disagree on certain points and we occasionally have to take a conversational VEER (if I mention evolution, for example) but we manage because I do respect her and she's never, ever, tried to convert me.
She also posts on this board, by the way and I believe she's exchanged private messages with several of you.
They're not a cult...they honestly believe they're bringing "good news" to the people they visit. I may have been the first person who ever told her I consider their visits a huge invasion of my privacy. She seemed surprised to hear it.
They often come to my street (it's nice and shady and pleasant) and I don't think they have a "don't knock list," but you could certainly try calling the local Kingdom Halls and registering your complaint and your address..
Ciao Bella...go to a few hardware stores and I'll bet you can find a sign which says "DAY SLEEPER! DO NOT RING BELL!" THAT might get anyone's attention.
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My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Magenta flame;537857 wrote: Ciao bella I understand you're tired of the waking of your husband ...but the incident of one hiding behind a bush..is a little far fetched. It would be my opinion and understanding that the woman has monitored the girls for their safety. The girls have probably asked her if they could approach your house by themselves and she has allowed them to do so, keeping a watchful distance to protect them if something were to go wrong.
If that were the case, she could have remained in plain sight, at the end of the drive, vice hiding behind the large shrub. Let's say the street in front of my house is north, and my drive runs due north/south. The shrub was northeast of the drive, on the border of our yard and the neighbors. She literally was in the neighbor's yard, but squarely behind the shrub, hiding. Twenty minutes before they rang my doorbell, the three of them walked past, the house, looking at it. (We were in the living room, and could clearly see them through the windows.)
Why would she send two young girls to the door of a house she didn't know? What if I'd done something to them? That doesn't fly.
"Jehovahs witnesses are not a sect nor are they a cult...again this is a perceived notion based on ignorance."
I beg to differ, and offer this: http://www.cultwatch.com/jw.html
Very interesting reading. The two sites listed at the bottom of that page will at the very least raise questions.
If that were the case, she could have remained in plain sight, at the end of the drive, vice hiding behind the large shrub. Let's say the street in front of my house is north, and my drive runs due north/south. The shrub was northeast of the drive, on the border of our yard and the neighbors. She literally was in the neighbor's yard, but squarely behind the shrub, hiding. Twenty minutes before they rang my doorbell, the three of them walked past, the house, looking at it. (We were in the living room, and could clearly see them through the windows.)
Why would she send two young girls to the door of a house she didn't know? What if I'd done something to them? That doesn't fly.
"Jehovahs witnesses are not a sect nor are they a cult...again this is a perceived notion based on ignorance."
I beg to differ, and offer this: http://www.cultwatch.com/jw.html
Very interesting reading. The two sites listed at the bottom of that page will at the very least raise questions.
Fed up with JW's
No offense here, but the site you linked is designed for people who have an obvious "beef" with the Jehovah's Witness church. They're hardly unbiased. The word "CULT" carries some heavy implications and I'm not comfortable with applying them to a group just because we don't like them ringing our doorbells.
Now, before the "any opinion is valid and may be expressed" police jump on me, I just want you to think about the fact that we have a member of this faith who is active on our board and in our community.
She might not be here at this moment but I'll speak for her.
Now, before the "any opinion is valid and may be expressed" police jump on me, I just want you to think about the fact that we have a member of this faith who is active on our board and in our community.
She might not be here at this moment but I'll speak for her.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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While I do consider them a cult, (and I did before discovering Cult Watch), I have a legitimate complaint against this group. I've lived in four states, and three nations, and have run across them everywhere.
This is the most persistant group, by far. And, if it were any other faith pestering me to this extent, I would voice my vexation just the same, though not saying all who witness door to door are cults.
ETA: If someone wants to belong to this faith, I have no problem with that. I'm just stating I've informed these people I'm not interested, and to stay away from my home, a request that is falling on deaf ears, repeatedly.
This is the most persistant group, by far. And, if it were any other faith pestering me to this extent, I would voice my vexation just the same, though not saying all who witness door to door are cults.
ETA: If someone wants to belong to this faith, I have no problem with that. I'm just stating I've informed these people I'm not interested, and to stay away from my home, a request that is falling on deaf ears, repeatedly.
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Good, I hope to hear from this specific member who is on our board. I'm sure we have more than one here. With one glaring and dangerous exception, I have seen nothing bordering on offense here. I believe we had an antiwitch thread here and I don't recall anyone getting fluffed over that even though we have witches and pagans on this very board.
I do believe it is a cult...generally speaking, that means there may be a few who do not fit into that realm as there may be a few like that of any religion.
I am amused at the comment "they think they are saving you" When you repeatedly say "I have my own faith/am not interested" and they STILL think theirs is to save you, because that's what their books and elders teach them, then you tell me how that is not a form of culthood?
I do believe it is a cult...generally speaking, that means there may be a few who do not fit into that realm as there may be a few like that of any religion.
I am amused at the comment "they think they are saving you" When you repeatedly say "I have my own faith/am not interested" and they STILL think theirs is to save you, because that's what their books and elders teach them, then you tell me how that is not a form of culthood?
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Magenta did not like my comments. That is quite alright she is entitled to her opinion.
I have witnessed (no pun intended) families breaking up because of this faith. I know of a man who refused to go to his mother's funeral because she wasn't a JW.
This group in Canada has been covering up child molestation for years. And yes so have some others. Most are now coming clean but the JWs are still covering up.
Children in this country have died as a result of their brainwashing about blood transfusions.
This past weekend the Government of British Columbia had to step in to save 3 of sextuplets lives. They needed blood transfusions and the parents, who are JWs refused. I applaud the government.
I personally know of a family whose child was accosted at the door because his mother and dad were not available. He was told that all priests molest children.
I've talked with former JWs who had to leave an abusive relationships because the church supported their husbands even though they were clearly in the wrong.
This group does not mind living in this country and enjoying the freedom it offers but refuse to lift a hand in its defense and condemn the folks that do. This I know for sure, they would have been wiped out in Nazi Germany. It is due to the efforts of many thousands who gave their lives to defend the freedom of this country, as well as others, that they have the freedom to practise their faith.
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If some want to be members of this cult, and I full well know the implications of that word, they are welcome to. However, I draw the line when other innocent folks have to suffer at the hands of this group.
An interesting side note is that they hired some folks to rewrite parts of the Bible to suit their faith. These writers were not even scholarly translators. Nice touch. As far as them being "Christian" that is highly questionable but that is an whole other debate.
Now lest one think that I am a biased Christian I will clearly state that I am a Christian pluralist. I accept the validity of all the recognized great faiths in the world.
Shalom
Ted:-6
PS I should add that generally I have great respect for most folks even the JWs that I know personally but there are some organizations for which I have little to no respect. If this post has offended anyone, for that I am truly sorry for that was not the intent. The intent was to post only the truth as it has been relayed to me and as I have witnessed it.
I have witnessed (no pun intended) families breaking up because of this faith. I know of a man who refused to go to his mother's funeral because she wasn't a JW.
This group in Canada has been covering up child molestation for years. And yes so have some others. Most are now coming clean but the JWs are still covering up.
Children in this country have died as a result of their brainwashing about blood transfusions.
This past weekend the Government of British Columbia had to step in to save 3 of sextuplets lives. They needed blood transfusions and the parents, who are JWs refused. I applaud the government.
I personally know of a family whose child was accosted at the door because his mother and dad were not available. He was told that all priests molest children.
I've talked with former JWs who had to leave an abusive relationships because the church supported their husbands even though they were clearly in the wrong.
This group does not mind living in this country and enjoying the freedom it offers but refuse to lift a hand in its defense and condemn the folks that do. This I know for sure, they would have been wiped out in Nazi Germany. It is due to the efforts of many thousands who gave their lives to defend the freedom of this country, as well as others, that they have the freedom to practise their faith.
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If some want to be members of this cult, and I full well know the implications of that word, they are welcome to. However, I draw the line when other innocent folks have to suffer at the hands of this group.
An interesting side note is that they hired some folks to rewrite parts of the Bible to suit their faith. These writers were not even scholarly translators. Nice touch. As far as them being "Christian" that is highly questionable but that is an whole other debate.
Now lest one think that I am a biased Christian I will clearly state that I am a Christian pluralist. I accept the validity of all the recognized great faiths in the world.
Shalom
Ted:-6
PS I should add that generally I have great respect for most folks even the JWs that I know personally but there are some organizations for which I have little to no respect. If this post has offended anyone, for that I am truly sorry for that was not the intent. The intent was to post only the truth as it has been relayed to me and as I have witnessed it.
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Ted;538017 wrote: Now lest one think that I am a biased Christian I will clearly state that I am a Christian pluralist. I accept the validity of all the recognized great faiths in the world.
Shalom
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Ted, that is exactly how I feel. What works for you, may not work for me, and vice versa. I don't care if they want to be JW's, just leave me the heck alone!
I applaud the prosecution of priests who abused children in the Catholic, or any church for that matter. Why isn't more being done about JW's?
Shalom
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Ted, that is exactly how I feel. What works for you, may not work for me, and vice versa. I don't care if they want to be JW's, just leave me the heck alone!
I applaud the prosecution of priests who abused children in the Catholic, or any church for that matter. Why isn't more being done about JW's?
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I'm not sure why more isn't being done with the JW's. I can only guess. It's called the power of the church and the results of brain washing. Difficult to find witnesses. Those who speak out are banished immediately and thus lose all contact with friends and acquaintances.
Parents have a great deal of power over their children and don't want the boat rocked. An irrational fear of hell? Who knows?
It has been reported in some cases and was on the news several times over the last few years. I have also been told personal stories that were anything but pleasant.
Shalom
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I'm not sure why more isn't being done with the JW's. I can only guess. It's called the power of the church and the results of brain washing. Difficult to find witnesses. Those who speak out are banished immediately and thus lose all contact with friends and acquaintances.
Parents have a great deal of power over their children and don't want the boat rocked. An irrational fear of hell? Who knows?
It has been reported in some cases and was on the news several times over the last few years. I have also been told personal stories that were anything but pleasant.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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The letter would be interesting but not if you are breaking a confidence.
One day we had just finished a Bible study in our home, with the clergy present. They knocked at the door and could clearly see that Don was a clergyman. I also explained that I was a lay preacher in the Anglican church and had been for years. Still they ask if they could speak to me.
I think that was the time I responded with "I have absolutely no interest in what you have to say but if you would care to listen to me . . ." Obviously I got no response and they left hastily.
Perhaps they have a hearing or listening problem?
Shalom
Ted:-6
The letter would be interesting but not if you are breaking a confidence.
One day we had just finished a Bible study in our home, with the clergy present. They knocked at the door and could clearly see that Don was a clergyman. I also explained that I was a lay preacher in the Anglican church and had been for years. Still they ask if they could speak to me.
I think that was the time I responded with "I have absolutely no interest in what you have to say but if you would care to listen to me . . ." Obviously I got no response and they left hastily.
Perhaps they have a hearing or listening problem?
Shalom
Ted:-6
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" Even though I don't share the same passion as she does, I admire it. If only we could all stand up for what we believe in so Boldly."
++++++++++ Yes, I understand this thought! I'd never be involved in a thought system like my friend's, but I respect her commitment to it.
(Of course, I also object when my privacy is disturbed. (I no longer answer the door if I don't know who's out there.) I especially resent the fact that they often bring little children, as if you might not be willing to turn them away in front of a child? I've seen the "day sleeper" signs at hardware stores and will probably buy one next time I'm there. Seems like an easy solution, doesn't it?)
Many religions have "cult" aspects. Think about the ones who handle snakes or require new members to hand over all their money, etc. Witnesses certainly don't do that! My friend has a completely "normal" life, with the exception of her very private and personal views on blood transfusions, political activity, holidays and "witnessing." That "cult" label is very subjective and open to a LOT of interpretation.
Perhaps I'm accepting of her faith because she never tries to impose it on me or impose it on society...unlike many of the more vocal and politically active Christians who are so busy telling me how to manage my reproductive and sexual life?
As far as what we might consider "bizarre" beliefs, I happen to know that Mormons in the "inner circle" believe there are MANY gods and that "our" god is just a "minor" god who got to BE a "god" by doing good works, etc. The people of what is now Japan once believed that the world was created on the back of a giant sea turtle! And the Koisan people believe that god is a mantis!
At least one member here practices the Wiccan rites and in years past, she'd've been burned at the stake!
++++++++++ Yes, I understand this thought! I'd never be involved in a thought system like my friend's, but I respect her commitment to it.
(Of course, I also object when my privacy is disturbed. (I no longer answer the door if I don't know who's out there.) I especially resent the fact that they often bring little children, as if you might not be willing to turn them away in front of a child? I've seen the "day sleeper" signs at hardware stores and will probably buy one next time I'm there. Seems like an easy solution, doesn't it?)
Many religions have "cult" aspects. Think about the ones who handle snakes or require new members to hand over all their money, etc. Witnesses certainly don't do that! My friend has a completely "normal" life, with the exception of her very private and personal views on blood transfusions, political activity, holidays and "witnessing." That "cult" label is very subjective and open to a LOT of interpretation.
Perhaps I'm accepting of her faith because she never tries to impose it on me or impose it on society...unlike many of the more vocal and politically active Christians who are so busy telling me how to manage my reproductive and sexual life?
As far as what we might consider "bizarre" beliefs, I happen to know that Mormons in the "inner circle" believe there are MANY gods and that "our" god is just a "minor" god who got to BE a "god" by doing good works, etc. The people of what is now Japan once believed that the world was created on the back of a giant sea turtle! And the Koisan people believe that god is a mantis!
At least one member here practices the Wiccan rites and in years past, she'd've been burned at the stake!
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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How can it be said that they are NOT a cult?
These people remove loved ones from there family's,Turn them against anyone who is not with in the JW circle.Much harm and sadness has come from these Narrow minded disciples of moral cancer.It's either their way or their way.And any one not of the JW thinking is the enemy,What come of those poor little children in that kind of envirment? Are they safe? are they abused? We all ready know that they are farmed out too do the door too door recruiting for the them.What happens when they don't obey the master?Is there inbreeding?Like Waco Texas???
We know that the kids don't get too be normal,no birth days,no holidays,no Friends outside the cult circle.Even in prison you visitation rights.
How can we not take this as a threat too our towns and loved ones.?
Some people deserve too be trashed on the front lawn,too prove too my god that I am ready too defend his love and his sanctity of family and good of all man kind.
You know why you never hear of any accidents where some JW's lost there lives?
Because no one cares.I have drawn my line in the sand.I fly my US flag.I watch forth of July fireworks,I am thankful and eat my turkey with my loved ones,I celebrate the birth of my little girl,and I celebrate the birth of Christ our savior.
These I hold dear too too me and I will not waver...ever.I won't stop defending this until I am dead.Any JW cult recruiters want me or my daughter,You better come too fight,and bring more than you think you need.
These people remove loved ones from there family's,Turn them against anyone who is not with in the JW circle.Much harm and sadness has come from these Narrow minded disciples of moral cancer.It's either their way or their way.And any one not of the JW thinking is the enemy,What come of those poor little children in that kind of envirment? Are they safe? are they abused? We all ready know that they are farmed out too do the door too door recruiting for the them.What happens when they don't obey the master?Is there inbreeding?Like Waco Texas???
We know that the kids don't get too be normal,no birth days,no holidays,no Friends outside the cult circle.Even in prison you visitation rights.
How can we not take this as a threat too our towns and loved ones.?
Some people deserve too be trashed on the front lawn,too prove too my god that I am ready too defend his love and his sanctity of family and good of all man kind.
You know why you never hear of any accidents where some JW's lost there lives?
Because no one cares.I have drawn my line in the sand.I fly my US flag.I watch forth of July fireworks,I am thankful and eat my turkey with my loved ones,I celebrate the birth of my little girl,and I celebrate the birth of Christ our savior.
These I hold dear too too me and I will not waver...ever.I won't stop defending this until I am dead.Any JW cult recruiters want me or my daughter,You better come too fight,and bring more than you think you need.
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Cite evidence of ANY of this, please! Because, unless you've got proof, what you've just written is nothing more than slander.
The fact that they don't salute the flag, celebrate holidays or get involved in political life is hardly "cultish."
I want to see proof of everything you've written in your second paragraph.
The fact that they don't salute the flag, celebrate holidays or get involved in political life is hardly "cultish."
I want to see proof of everything you've written in your second paragraph.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Slander is fine.
Just keep'em off my front lawn or i will bury them the rest of the dog crap I pick up.
Just keep'em off my front lawn or i will bury them the rest of the dog crap I pick up.
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Lulu2;538065 wrote: Cite evidence of ANY of this, please! Because, unless you've got proof, what you've just written is nothing more than slander.
The fact that they don't salute the flag, celebrate holidays or get involved in political life is hardly "cultish."
I want to see proof of everything you've written in your second paragraph.
Ah, but see, that can't hold water. Other nationalities don't salute our flag, celebrate President's Day, Halloween, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, etc., or get involved in our politics, and that doesn't make them a cult.
I, for one, never said because JW's don't do what mainstream America does makes them a cult. I merely said I believe they are a cult.
I've no qualms about them being JW's, else I'd be knocking on their doors, trying to convert them to my faith. Live and let live is what the majority of us are saying. We don't want them shoving their faith in our faces, and down our throats.
Being a JW may work for them. I don't know. I do know it doesn't work for me, I've informed this bunch of this over and over, and I'm past fed up with it.
The fact that they don't salute the flag, celebrate holidays or get involved in political life is hardly "cultish."
I want to see proof of everything you've written in your second paragraph.
Ah, but see, that can't hold water. Other nationalities don't salute our flag, celebrate President's Day, Halloween, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, etc., or get involved in our politics, and that doesn't make them a cult.
I, for one, never said because JW's don't do what mainstream America does makes them a cult. I merely said I believe they are a cult.
I've no qualms about them being JW's, else I'd be knocking on their doors, trying to convert them to my faith. Live and let live is what the majority of us are saying. We don't want them shoving their faith in our faces, and down our throats.
Being a JW may work for them. I don't know. I do know it doesn't work for me, I've informed this bunch of this over and over, and I'm past fed up with it.
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Ciao, Bella!;538205 wrote: Ah, but see, that can't hold water. Other nationalities don't salute our flag, celebrate President's Day, Halloween, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, etc., or get involved in our politics, and that doesn't make them a cult.
I, for one, never said because JW's don't do what mainstream America does makes them a cult. I merely said I believe they are a cult.
I've no qualms about them being JW's, else I'd be knocking on their doors, trying to convert them to my faith. Live and let live is what the majority of us are saying. We don't want them shoving their faith in our faces, and down our throats.
Being a JW may work for them. I don't know. I do know it doesn't work for me, I've informed this bunch of this over and over, and I'm past fed up with it.
You have a right too protect your home and family,with deadly force if necessary.
I, for one, never said because JW's don't do what mainstream America does makes them a cult. I merely said I believe they are a cult.
I've no qualms about them being JW's, else I'd be knocking on their doors, trying to convert them to my faith. Live and let live is what the majority of us are saying. We don't want them shoving their faith in our faces, and down our throats.
Being a JW may work for them. I don't know. I do know it doesn't work for me, I've informed this bunch of this over and over, and I'm past fed up with it.
You have a right too protect your home and family,with deadly force if necessary.
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Schweet, if they were climbing in your window I could see shoving them back out and "helping" them back into their car but why would you use deadly force when there is no threat? Pissing you off and stepping on your lawn may be an irritant but you're not getting hurt or going to die from it. They're not stealing your TV or molesting anyone. I don't understand the hatred. Or what looks to me as such.
Why do you feel so strongly about Witnesses?
Why do you feel so strongly about Witnesses?
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Shweet tatersalad;538232 wrote: You have a right too protect your home and family,with deadly force if necessary.
Yes, quite so, you are also allowed to assault/beat up people who you see
on the street, because you don't like their religion, aren't you!
Yes, quite so, you are also allowed to assault/beat up people who you see
on the street, because you don't like their religion, aren't you!
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This is very interesting....seems like Religion and Politics..can just get everyone in a tizzy and quickly!!
What is the old saying 3 things you never discuss at work: Politics, Religion and sex!!...I guess that doesn't go for public forums! (I'm guilty of all 3).
I am a Born again Christian and I'm strong in my faith in Jesus Christ my Saviour.
I don't judge other people on their beliefs, matter of fact I love to learn about them. I am interested in learning about different faiths and beliefs. I am sorry that there are people out there that use thier belief as what seems to be an excuse to go to the extremes.
I care about people for who they are not where they worship or what political party they belong to. That's what makes the world go 'round!
Don't agree with hurting people because of their faith, if they've done nothing but talk to you.
I think the idea of getting a sign "day sleeper" is a great idea...and it might look cheesy, but you could just print one off the computer and put up, just a thought...
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What is the old saying 3 things you never discuss at work: Politics, Religion and sex!!...I guess that doesn't go for public forums! (I'm guilty of all 3).
I am a Born again Christian and I'm strong in my faith in Jesus Christ my Saviour.
I don't judge other people on their beliefs, matter of fact I love to learn about them. I am interested in learning about different faiths and beliefs. I am sorry that there are people out there that use thier belief as what seems to be an excuse to go to the extremes.
I care about people for who they are not where they worship or what political party they belong to. That's what makes the world go 'round!
Don't agree with hurting people because of their faith, if they've done nothing but talk to you.
I think the idea of getting a sign "day sleeper" is a great idea...and it might look cheesy, but you could just print one off the computer and put up, just a thought...
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W'Wendy...printing it off the computer would certainly work until a person found a more permanent one, wouldn't it? GOOD IDEA!
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Matt 28:219-20. I've just checked my Greek New Testament. "until the end of this system of things" is a clear example of rewriting the Bible to suit one's own purpose. The Greek wording clearly says "until the completion of the age." No where is "system of things" to be found. The Greek word "aionos" means age.
Shalom
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Shalom
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Ted;538751 wrote: Matt 28:219-20. I've just checked my Greek New Testament. "until the end of this system of things" is a clear example of rewriting the Bible to suit one's own purpose. The Greek wording clearly says "until the completion of the age." No where is "system of things" to be found. The Greek word "aionos" means age.
Shalom
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I was going to mention that when I read the translation...I read King James Version and know that "until the completion of the age" isn't in there.
This is the King James version of those verses:
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I was going to mention that when I read the translation...I read King James Version and know that "until the completion of the age" isn't in there.
This is the King James version of those verses:
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Thanks.
I turned to my Greek Lexicon to check it out.
aionos=a space or period of time, a lifetime, life. of longer periods, an age, generation, period, an infinitely long space of time, eternity. One's age or time of life.
Thus I would agree it could mean what you have quoted. I do think "system of things" is stretching it beyond any possible meaning. It is certainly reading what is not in the original Greek.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks.
I turned to my Greek Lexicon to check it out.
aionos=a space or period of time, a lifetime, life. of longer periods, an age, generation, period, an infinitely long space of time, eternity. One's age or time of life.
Thus I would agree it could mean what you have quoted. I do think "system of things" is stretching it beyond any possible meaning. It is certainly reading what is not in the original Greek.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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almostfamous:-6
I can agree with your comment on it being a bit extreme. I do get more than a little upset when I see and hear of the things I posted earlier. When it comes to the lives of children I would call it dangerous and probably criminal-IMO. If we were to put the life of a anyone at stake we could be charged with a criminal offense such as failing to provide the necessities of life etc.
When it comes to the other things such as the breakup of families and turning one family member against another, in my opinion this is immoral. A neat way to display the love of God? I don't think so.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I can agree with your comment on it being a bit extreme. I do get more than a little upset when I see and hear of the things I posted earlier. When it comes to the lives of children I would call it dangerous and probably criminal-IMO. If we were to put the life of a anyone at stake we could be charged with a criminal offense such as failing to provide the necessities of life etc.
When it comes to the other things such as the breakup of families and turning one family member against another, in my opinion this is immoral. A neat way to display the love of God? I don't think so.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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I am considering a sign stating that all residents in the house (my niece lives with us) work and sleep different schedules.
Mainly, I am going to post a sign stating we are Lutherans. I will listen to someone rational about their faith, if I ask about it, or they ask about mine.
What I am saying is this: Every two months, for the last ten months, they have rang my doorbell, trying to shove this crap down my throat. All my assertions of my faith, and requests to not return have fallen on deaf ears.
However, because a group of people cannot take no for an answer, should I have to take such steps? NO. This our home. Our property. We did not, and never will, invite any JW onto our property or into our home. I have a constitutional right to peace in my home, and to practice the religion I choose.
What does it take for them to get the drift?
BTW, a Christian is defined as a person who believes in Christ, as the Son of God. JW's do not believe Jesus Christ is the son of God. Therefore, they are NOT Christians.
Mainly, I am going to post a sign stating we are Lutherans. I will listen to someone rational about their faith, if I ask about it, or they ask about mine.
What I am saying is this: Every two months, for the last ten months, they have rang my doorbell, trying to shove this crap down my throat. All my assertions of my faith, and requests to not return have fallen on deaf ears.
However, because a group of people cannot take no for an answer, should I have to take such steps? NO. This our home. Our property. We did not, and never will, invite any JW onto our property or into our home. I have a constitutional right to peace in my home, and to practice the religion I choose.
What does it take for them to get the drift?
BTW, a Christian is defined as a person who believes in Christ, as the Son of God. JW's do not believe Jesus Christ is the son of God. Therefore, they are NOT Christians.
Fed up with JW's
yes, they are a cult. i should know...
you are not allowed to have anyone as a friend who is not a jw unless you mean to convert them.
you are not allowed to disagree with their doctrine in the slightest, even though it has changed over the years at the cost of people's lives in more ways than one.
if it becomes known that you disagree with anything they teach you will be asked into a private room where the 'elders' will question you more and insinuate/spread it around that you are a person of loose morals even if the reasons for disagreement are intellectual.
after they label you an 'apostate' for not eating their fanatic doctrine you are then disfellowshipped and your friends and family are forced to shun you as if you were dead. since you were never allowed to have friends outside the organisation this destroys you ...you are left completely empty inside and out. it is evil.
children are taught to not seek a higher education so that they can spend more time knocking on people's doors because 'the end' is so close. it's been 'close' for a long, long, long time...and it will never come as they wish it.
the 1975 fiasco is a perfect example of this...people sold their homes and everyhting they had thinking they had to 'stay alive 'till 75'. when '75 rolled around and nothing happened the whole thing was blamed on individual members even though it was the watchtower organization who led it's members to the conclusion.
as far as blood transfusions ... it's based on a scripture in the old testament, which is no longer applicable to christians today because of jesus bringing in the new covenant.
they try to work around this by quoting a new testament scripture out of context....but it only applies to not consuming blood if it stumbled another brother who still held to the old ways according to the mosaic laws. this obviously is no longer the case in our day.
at first they told their members that you can't intake any part of blood at all.
now they are saying you can take blood but only the fractions. if you can take all the fractions seperate then why not togther? and what scripture in the bible says you can take fractions? lol ...it's nonsense, and people have died because it used to be taught that not even the fractions could be taken ...now they reveresed it so those lives are lost for nothing!
...the leaders of the organisation are absolute hypocrites who pull new doctrines out of their ass if they think it will get some attention as being different.
at their meetings the members are fed guilt trips and told to like it. they are fed paranoia about the world around them. they are taught to be arrogant concerning other's beliefs. they are told that it would be more honorable to put 'the watchtower bible and tract society' in their will instead of the their family.
the organisation is about manipulating, brain-washing, and pushing it's members to the limits to get more money and new recruits.
they put on a smile and they don't tell 'interested ones' they find at the doors their more insane views on the bible. from the outisde they look like the happiest people in the world ...
it is a cult... and i haven't even told the half of it.
http://www.jwfacts.com/
http://www.silentlambs.org/
you are not allowed to have anyone as a friend who is not a jw unless you mean to convert them.
you are not allowed to disagree with their doctrine in the slightest, even though it has changed over the years at the cost of people's lives in more ways than one.
if it becomes known that you disagree with anything they teach you will be asked into a private room where the 'elders' will question you more and insinuate/spread it around that you are a person of loose morals even if the reasons for disagreement are intellectual.
after they label you an 'apostate' for not eating their fanatic doctrine you are then disfellowshipped and your friends and family are forced to shun you as if you were dead. since you were never allowed to have friends outside the organisation this destroys you ...you are left completely empty inside and out. it is evil.
children are taught to not seek a higher education so that they can spend more time knocking on people's doors because 'the end' is so close. it's been 'close' for a long, long, long time...and it will never come as they wish it.
the 1975 fiasco is a perfect example of this...people sold their homes and everyhting they had thinking they had to 'stay alive 'till 75'. when '75 rolled around and nothing happened the whole thing was blamed on individual members even though it was the watchtower organization who led it's members to the conclusion.
as far as blood transfusions ... it's based on a scripture in the old testament, which is no longer applicable to christians today because of jesus bringing in the new covenant.
they try to work around this by quoting a new testament scripture out of context....but it only applies to not consuming blood if it stumbled another brother who still held to the old ways according to the mosaic laws. this obviously is no longer the case in our day.
at first they told their members that you can't intake any part of blood at all.
now they are saying you can take blood but only the fractions. if you can take all the fractions seperate then why not togther? and what scripture in the bible says you can take fractions? lol ...it's nonsense, and people have died because it used to be taught that not even the fractions could be taken ...now they reveresed it so those lives are lost for nothing!
...the leaders of the organisation are absolute hypocrites who pull new doctrines out of their ass if they think it will get some attention as being different.
at their meetings the members are fed guilt trips and told to like it. they are fed paranoia about the world around them. they are taught to be arrogant concerning other's beliefs. they are told that it would be more honorable to put 'the watchtower bible and tract society' in their will instead of the their family.
the organisation is about manipulating, brain-washing, and pushing it's members to the limits to get more money and new recruits.
they put on a smile and they don't tell 'interested ones' they find at the doors their more insane views on the bible. from the outisde they look like the happiest people in the world ...
it is a cult... and i haven't even told the half of it.
http://www.jwfacts.com/
http://www.silentlambs.org/
Fed up with JW's
Ted;538844 wrote: almostfamous:-6
When it comes to the other things such as the breakup of families and turning one family member against another, in my opinion this is immoral. A neat way to display the love of God? I don't think so.
Shalom
Ted:-6
there is an ulterior motive for not celebrating the holidays and birthdays. it's a good way to make sure the members don't get too close to their families and stya inside the JW bubble. loyalty to the cult is paramount over all other considerations.
When it comes to the other things such as the breakup of families and turning one family member against another, in my opinion this is immoral. A neat way to display the love of God? I don't think so.
Shalom
Ted:-6
there is an ulterior motive for not celebrating the holidays and birthdays. it's a good way to make sure the members don't get too close to their families and stya inside the JW bubble. loyalty to the cult is paramount over all other considerations.
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Pinky;538886 wrote: ARGI!!
Where ya been? Nice to see you about again!:-6
...makin' bacon
nice to be back posting again.
i thought i should add to the topic since i have a close relative who's hooked on their slimey bait.
Where ya been? Nice to see you about again!:-6
...makin' bacon
nice to be back posting again.i thought i should add to the topic since i have a close relative who's hooked on their slimey bait.
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ARgi;538891 wrote: ...makin' bacon nice to be back posting again.
i thought i should add to the topic since i have a close relative who's hooked on their slimey bait.
Hi ARgi, glad you could share all of that with us...and all I can say is WOW...like something you watch on TV...especially puts me in mind of things back in the 70's...I didn't realize that it was that serious.
nice to be back posting again.i thought i should add to the topic since i have a close relative who's hooked on their slimey bait.
Hi ARgi, glad you could share all of that with us...and all I can say is WOW...like something you watch on TV...especially puts me in mind of things back in the 70's...I didn't realize that it was that serious.
Fed up with JW's
ARgi:-6
Thanks for the post and the URLs.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks for the post and the URLs.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Fed up with JW's
...the problem is that the average member doesn't actually have any depth of knowledge about what's really going on. they hand their minds over to the higher-ups with a smile thinking they are going to live forever and ignore reality if it doesn't favor their learned world view.
so if you talk to a devout witness they will give you cookie-cutter answers about everything.
they have numerous books telling them exactly what to say in any situation, and any witness worth their salt can quote passages from those books verbatim when they are questioned about their beliefs.
i read a paragraph from one of their magazines recently warning against the dangers of 'independent thinking'. they are told to look as happy and well-adjusted to outsiders as possible so that they might convert them by their conduct if nothign else.
this is why many will defend the witnesses ...
so if you talk to a devout witness they will give you cookie-cutter answers about everything.
they have numerous books telling them exactly what to say in any situation, and any witness worth their salt can quote passages from those books verbatim when they are questioned about their beliefs.
i read a paragraph from one of their magazines recently warning against the dangers of 'independent thinking'. they are told to look as happy and well-adjusted to outsiders as possible so that they might convert them by their conduct if nothign else.
this is why many will defend the witnesses ...
Fed up with JW's
ARgi:-6
I think it was Eric Fromm that wrote the book "Escape From Freedom". The main thesis is that generally folks like to feel comfortable and such comfort can be found in allowing others to set the scene thus they don't have to worry about most things. Thus some folks park their brains permanently somewhere and allow others to do their thinking for them.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I think it was Eric Fromm that wrote the book "Escape From Freedom". The main thesis is that generally folks like to feel comfortable and such comfort can be found in allowing others to set the scene thus they don't have to worry about most things. Thus some folks park their brains permanently somewhere and allow others to do their thinking for them.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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ARgi;538874 wrote: yes, they are a cult. i should know...
you are not allowed to have anyone as a friend who is not a jw unless you mean to convert them.
you are not allowed to disagree with their doctrine in the slightest, even though it has changed over the years at the cost of people's lives in more ways than one.
if it becomes known that you disagree with anything they teach you will be asked into a private room where the 'elders' will question you more and insinuate/spread it around that you are a person of loose morals even if the reasons for disagreement are intellectual.
after they label you an 'apostate' for not eating their fanatic doctrine you are then disfellowshipped and your friends and family are forced to shun you as if you were dead. since you were never allowed to have friends outside the organisation this destroys you ...you are left completely empty inside and out. it is evil.
children are taught to not seek a higher education so that they can spend more time knocking on people's doors because 'the end' is so close. it's been 'close' for a long, long, long time...and it will never come as they wish it.
the 1975 fiasco is a perfect example of this...people sold their homes and everyhting they had thinking they had to 'stay alive 'till 75'. when '75 rolled around and nothing happened the whole thing was blamed on individual members even though it was the watchtower organization who led it's members to the conclusion.
as far as blood transfusions ... it's based on a scripture in the old testament, which is no longer applicable to christians today because of jesus bringing in the new covenant.
they try to work around this by quoting a new testament scripture out of context....but it only applies to not consuming blood if it stumbled another brother who still held to the old ways according to the mosaic laws. this obviously is no longer the case in our day.
at first they told their members that you can't intake any part of blood at all.
now they are saying you can take blood but only the fractions. if you can take all the fractions seperate then why not togther? and what scripture in the bible says you can take fractions? lol ...it's nonsense, and people have died because it used to be taught that not even the fractions could be taken ...now they reveresed it so those lives are lost for nothing!
...the leaders of the organisation are absolute hypocrites who pull new doctrines out of their ass if they think it will get some attention as being different.
at their meetings the members are fed guilt trips and told to like it. they are fed paranoia about the world around them. they are taught to be arrogant concerning other's beliefs. they are told that it would be more honorable to put 'the watchtower bible and tract society' in their will instead of the their family.
the organisation is about manipulating, brain-washing, and pushing it's members to the limits to get more money and new recruits.
they put on a smile and they don't tell 'interested ones' they find at the doors their more insane views on the bible. from the outisde they look like the happiest people in the world ...
it is a cult... and i haven't even told the half of it.
http://www.jwfacts.com/
http://www.silentlambs.org/
Those sites are an eye-opener! I hope your aunt breaks from the JW's grasp soon.
Just curious: Has anyone here ever seen a JW wearing a cross? I never have.
you are not allowed to have anyone as a friend who is not a jw unless you mean to convert them.
you are not allowed to disagree with their doctrine in the slightest, even though it has changed over the years at the cost of people's lives in more ways than one.
if it becomes known that you disagree with anything they teach you will be asked into a private room where the 'elders' will question you more and insinuate/spread it around that you are a person of loose morals even if the reasons for disagreement are intellectual.
after they label you an 'apostate' for not eating their fanatic doctrine you are then disfellowshipped and your friends and family are forced to shun you as if you were dead. since you were never allowed to have friends outside the organisation this destroys you ...you are left completely empty inside and out. it is evil.
children are taught to not seek a higher education so that they can spend more time knocking on people's doors because 'the end' is so close. it's been 'close' for a long, long, long time...and it will never come as they wish it.
the 1975 fiasco is a perfect example of this...people sold their homes and everyhting they had thinking they had to 'stay alive 'till 75'. when '75 rolled around and nothing happened the whole thing was blamed on individual members even though it was the watchtower organization who led it's members to the conclusion.
as far as blood transfusions ... it's based on a scripture in the old testament, which is no longer applicable to christians today because of jesus bringing in the new covenant.
they try to work around this by quoting a new testament scripture out of context....but it only applies to not consuming blood if it stumbled another brother who still held to the old ways according to the mosaic laws. this obviously is no longer the case in our day.
at first they told their members that you can't intake any part of blood at all.
now they are saying you can take blood but only the fractions. if you can take all the fractions seperate then why not togther? and what scripture in the bible says you can take fractions? lol ...it's nonsense, and people have died because it used to be taught that not even the fractions could be taken ...now they reveresed it so those lives are lost for nothing!
...the leaders of the organisation are absolute hypocrites who pull new doctrines out of their ass if they think it will get some attention as being different.
at their meetings the members are fed guilt trips and told to like it. they are fed paranoia about the world around them. they are taught to be arrogant concerning other's beliefs. they are told that it would be more honorable to put 'the watchtower bible and tract society' in their will instead of the their family.
the organisation is about manipulating, brain-washing, and pushing it's members to the limits to get more money and new recruits.
they put on a smile and they don't tell 'interested ones' they find at the doors their more insane views on the bible. from the outisde they look like the happiest people in the world ...
it is a cult... and i haven't even told the half of it.
http://www.jwfacts.com/
http://www.silentlambs.org/
Those sites are an eye-opener! I hope your aunt breaks from the JW's grasp soon.
Just curious: Has anyone here ever seen a JW wearing a cross? I never have.
Fed up with JW's
Something to keep in mind when they come calling is that they count it gain when they are "persecuted". When you slam the door in their face or call them names it makes the stop at your house all the more valuable. Sympathise with them. Tell them how much you respect them for sacrificing for their faith. You can turn to the child with them and tell them other faiths wouldn't require them to experience such embarassment. Offer to tell them about a better way if they have the time.
They won't have the time then or in the future.
They won't have the time then or in the future.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Clint;539020 wrote: Something to keep in mind when they come calling is that they count it gain when they are "persecuted". When you slam the door in their face or call them names it makes the stop at your house all the more valuable. Sympathise with them. Tell them how much you respect them for sacrificing for their faith. You can turn to the child with them and tell them other faiths wouldn't require them to experience such embarassment. Offer to tell them about a better way if they have the time.
They won't have the time then or in the future.
That's what my pastor suggested. I may try it. :-6
They won't have the time then or in the future.
That's what my pastor suggested. I may try it. :-6
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Hi,
I think with many JW's they feel they are doing the right thing. In this world they see how things are, how people are behaving to one another and from the view point of their religion and their God, they are offering salvation.
Although I dont agree with their methods, I appreciate their intent. Perhaps things have become a little of course for them. But I see them perhaps doing the best they can with what they've got. Regardless of their own troubles, they are in fact being quite selfless. To many they seem a little strange or zealot and perhaps they need try a different approach.
I for instance practise Falun Gong from China. Its of the Buddhist teachings(not Buddhism). It involves exercises which many often practise in parks. We too go out into society and practise our medititive exersices. Its a form of Qi-Gong(similar ti tai-chi). There are many forms of qigong in China and thousands practise in the parks and the streets, its a regular thing there.
In China it was once a huge following, until the chinese communist party(ccp) outlawed it and have tried to eradicate it since 1999. The numbers of FG out numbered those in ccp, and so the leader decided to try and destroy it, merely from jealousy.
Many of us go out onto the streets and hand out flyers telling people of this persecution, which has raged for 7 years. We appeal to peoples kindness, they sign our petitions and then people go about their usual business. We never try to convert people.
If someone is interested in the practise thats good and we'll try to help them the best we can in finding out more info.
The main purpose we appeal to people is to end the evil tortures and propaganda they have spread, which is a tool to hide the truth, which is persecution. These things still continue over in
china, other than that there is no other motive.
Perhaps JW's should wait on the streets. If people want to find out more, people will take it upon themselves the initiative to come gain more information.
This is my personal experience. When people arent thrust others beliefs, they are more willing to come find out themselves. Giving people free will and choice. It comes from themselves rather from others insisting they know whats best for those people.
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I think with many JW's they feel they are doing the right thing. In this world they see how things are, how people are behaving to one another and from the view point of their religion and their God, they are offering salvation.
Although I dont agree with their methods, I appreciate their intent. Perhaps things have become a little of course for them. But I see them perhaps doing the best they can with what they've got. Regardless of their own troubles, they are in fact being quite selfless. To many they seem a little strange or zealot and perhaps they need try a different approach.
I for instance practise Falun Gong from China. Its of the Buddhist teachings(not Buddhism). It involves exercises which many often practise in parks. We too go out into society and practise our medititive exersices. Its a form of Qi-Gong(similar ti tai-chi). There are many forms of qigong in China and thousands practise in the parks and the streets, its a regular thing there.
In China it was once a huge following, until the chinese communist party(ccp) outlawed it and have tried to eradicate it since 1999. The numbers of FG out numbered those in ccp, and so the leader decided to try and destroy it, merely from jealousy.
Many of us go out onto the streets and hand out flyers telling people of this persecution, which has raged for 7 years. We appeal to peoples kindness, they sign our petitions and then people go about their usual business. We never try to convert people.
If someone is interested in the practise thats good and we'll try to help them the best we can in finding out more info.
The main purpose we appeal to people is to end the evil tortures and propaganda they have spread, which is a tool to hide the truth, which is persecution. These things still continue over in
china, other than that there is no other motive.
Perhaps JW's should wait on the streets. If people want to find out more, people will take it upon themselves the initiative to come gain more information.
This is my personal experience. When people arent thrust others beliefs, they are more willing to come find out themselves. Giving people free will and choice. It comes from themselves rather from others insisting they know whats best for those people.
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Magenta flame;539188 wrote: Well that has just soured things hasn't it.
To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around. {Ciao, Bella!'s replies are underlined, for clarification.} No, I will not hate or persecute you because of your faith. I will respect you, as long as you respect me. This is my main rule in life, and the local JW's simply will not abide by it. It's a fairly simple rule, commonly used, so there is no excuse for them to ignore it, other than persecuting me. See, that's a two-way street. I've been telling them I am a Lutheran. They continuously ignore this information, so therefore, am I not being persecuted by the JW's? Do not fall for the trap that JW's are the only religion persecuted into today's world. It simply isn't true.
what ? Are some of you surprised? did I not fit in with the description given of Jehovahs wittnesses? Well that should tell you something right there shouldn't it. I wish you had come forward sooner with your faith. Then perhaps this would not have gone so far. I am sorry you've been hurt, but I cannot change my views on this matter.
i'm incredibly saddened that one person can google the internet and pick up a few things that clearly demonstrate to me lies and inuendo about a religion that they have little understanding of. Apparently I'm brainwashed, apparently I have no higher education, apparently I shouldn't be talking with any of you. Does that sound right to you guys? No, it doesn't. However, I knew most of what I know about JW's before I researched it on the internet. DH's uncle was married to one. Prior to getting to know her, I/we just had a standard rule of not listening to JW's. When Laura left Richard, she left behind her JW books, and such. Being an inquisitve person, and a voracious reader, I looked through them. What I read did not coincide with what I believed at all, and I knew right and there I was not interested in joining them. It was then that I first formed the opinion JW's are a cult.
Well I'm sorry but now I know what kind of people you all are I shall take my leave.Again, I wish you'd been up front about your faith in the first place. I only meant to rant about how I am being persecuted for my beliefs, by the local JW's. If they weren't persecuting me, they'd not keep returning when I ask them to not do so. I am a practising Lutheran. When I first started this thread, I stated this: "I do not mean to insult anyone here, but I am more than fedup with Jehovah's Witnesses." That intent holds true. I did not mean to insult you, but I cannot control what others here think, or say.
To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around. {Ciao, Bella!'s replies are underlined, for clarification.} No, I will not hate or persecute you because of your faith. I will respect you, as long as you respect me. This is my main rule in life, and the local JW's simply will not abide by it. It's a fairly simple rule, commonly used, so there is no excuse for them to ignore it, other than persecuting me. See, that's a two-way street. I've been telling them I am a Lutheran. They continuously ignore this information, so therefore, am I not being persecuted by the JW's? Do not fall for the trap that JW's are the only religion persecuted into today's world. It simply isn't true.
what ? Are some of you surprised? did I not fit in with the description given of Jehovahs wittnesses? Well that should tell you something right there shouldn't it. I wish you had come forward sooner with your faith. Then perhaps this would not have gone so far. I am sorry you've been hurt, but I cannot change my views on this matter.
i'm incredibly saddened that one person can google the internet and pick up a few things that clearly demonstrate to me lies and inuendo about a religion that they have little understanding of. Apparently I'm brainwashed, apparently I have no higher education, apparently I shouldn't be talking with any of you. Does that sound right to you guys? No, it doesn't. However, I knew most of what I know about JW's before I researched it on the internet. DH's uncle was married to one. Prior to getting to know her, I/we just had a standard rule of not listening to JW's. When Laura left Richard, she left behind her JW books, and such. Being an inquisitve person, and a voracious reader, I looked through them. What I read did not coincide with what I believed at all, and I knew right and there I was not interested in joining them. It was then that I first formed the opinion JW's are a cult.
Well I'm sorry but now I know what kind of people you all are I shall take my leave.Again, I wish you'd been up front about your faith in the first place. I only meant to rant about how I am being persecuted for my beliefs, by the local JW's. If they weren't persecuting me, they'd not keep returning when I ask them to not do so. I am a practising Lutheran. When I first started this thread, I stated this: "I do not mean to insult anyone here, but I am more than fedup with Jehovah's Witnesses." That intent holds true. I did not mean to insult you, but I cannot control what others here think, or say.
Fed up with JW's
Magenta flame;539188 wrote: Well that has just soured things hasn't it.
To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around.
what ? Are some of you surprised? did I not fit in with the description given of Jehovahs wittnesses? Well that should tell you something right there shouldn't it.
i'm incredibly saddened that one person can google the internet and pick up a few things that clearly demonstrate to me lies and inuendo about a religion that they have little understanding of. Apparently I'm brainwashed, apparently I have no higher education, apparently I shouldn't be talking with any of you. Does that sound right to you guys?
Well I'm sorry but now I know what kind of people you all are I shall take my leave.
There are a bunch of folks here who don't like my faith or politics and some probably don't like me. I keep coming back and over time my views have changed some and I think the views of others have changed some as well. It's a good thing.
One thing is certain. I would one million times rather be confronted by a JW who wants to talk to me than by a rapidly growing group that insists I convert to their religion of submission or die. I see people here getting more wound up about someone knocking on thier door than they do about a group that wants to cut their throat.
To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around.
what ? Are some of you surprised? did I not fit in with the description given of Jehovahs wittnesses? Well that should tell you something right there shouldn't it.
i'm incredibly saddened that one person can google the internet and pick up a few things that clearly demonstrate to me lies and inuendo about a religion that they have little understanding of. Apparently I'm brainwashed, apparently I have no higher education, apparently I shouldn't be talking with any of you. Does that sound right to you guys?
Well I'm sorry but now I know what kind of people you all are I shall take my leave.
There are a bunch of folks here who don't like my faith or politics and some probably don't like me. I keep coming back and over time my views have changed some and I think the views of others have changed some as well. It's a good thing.
One thing is certain. I would one million times rather be confronted by a JW who wants to talk to me than by a rapidly growing group that insists I convert to their religion of submission or die. I see people here getting more wound up about someone knocking on thier door than they do about a group that wants to cut their throat.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Shweet tatersalad
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Fed up with JW's
Apologies too all those offended,but the JW has been exposed,it is what it is.
We can agree too not bring this up again,be we can't agree back down from our moral beliefs.
My reasons for my hate is personal,I lost a big part of my family,And I have been in contact with others who have also lost loved ones.
I hope we can get passed this and move on,or else the JW's have once again won and destroyed another close family.
I VOTE TOO LET DROP,AND NEVER SPEAK OF IT AGAIN.
Out of respect for the members of the JW family.
We can agree too not bring this up again,be we can't agree back down from our moral beliefs.
My reasons for my hate is personal,I lost a big part of my family,And I have been in contact with others who have also lost loved ones.
I hope we can get passed this and move on,or else the JW's have once again won and destroyed another close family.
I VOTE TOO LET DROP,AND NEVER SPEAK OF IT AGAIN.
Out of respect for the members of the JW family.
Fed up with JW's
" I wish you had come forward sooner with your faith. Then perhaps this would not have gone so far. I am sorry you've been hurt, but I cannot change my views on this matter. "
++++++++++++++++ If anyone had read my post MUCH earlier in this thread, you'd've known we have at least one JW member on this board. Anyone who genuinely cared about their feelings might've stopped , or posted a simple statement that they don't care to be disturbed.
I don't think anyone asked anyone to change their views on this matter.
++++++++++++++++ If anyone had read my post MUCH earlier in this thread, you'd've known we have at least one JW member on this board. Anyone who genuinely cared about their feelings might've stopped , or posted a simple statement that they don't care to be disturbed.
I don't think anyone asked anyone to change their views on this matter.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Accountable
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Lulu2;538054 wrote: " Even though I don't share the same passion as she does, I admire it. If only we could all stand up for what we believe in so Boldly."
++++++++++ Yes, I understand this thought! I'd never be involved in a thought system like my friend's, but I respect her commitment to it.
(Of course, I also object when my privacy is disturbed. (I no longer answer the door if I don't know who's out there.) I especially resent the fact that they often bring little children, as if you might not be willing to turn them away in front of a child? I've seen the "day sleeper" signs at hardware stores and will probably buy one next time I'm there. Seems like an easy solution, doesn't it?)
Many religions have "cult" aspects. Think about the ones who handle snakes or require new members to hand over all their money, etc. Witnesses certainly don't do that! My friend has a completely "normal" life, with the exception of her very private and personal views on blood transfusions, political activity, holidays and "witnessing." That "cult" label is very subjective and open to a LOT of interpretation.
Perhaps I'm accepting of her faith because she never tries to impose it on me or impose it on society...unlike many of the more vocal and politically active Christians who are so busy telling me how to manage my reproductive and sexual life?
As far as what we might consider "bizarre" beliefs, I happen to know that Mormons in the "inner circle" believe there are MANY gods and that "our" god is just a "minor" god who got to BE a "god" by doing good works, etc. The people of what is now Japan once believed that the world was created on the back of a giant sea turtle! And the Koisan people believe that god is a mantis!
At least one member here practices the Wiccan rites and in years past, she'd've been burned at the stake!
This post corrects alot of blanks about you I had filled in negatively, and wrong. Thanks. :-6
I'm pissed (American definition) at finding and reading this thread. Bigotry in any form is my enemy. I don't like it, and several posters in this thread will hopefully gain some enlightenment and look back on this thread with regret on what they posted and pride that they no longer feel that way.
++++++++++ Yes, I understand this thought! I'd never be involved in a thought system like my friend's, but I respect her commitment to it.
(Of course, I also object when my privacy is disturbed. (I no longer answer the door if I don't know who's out there.) I especially resent the fact that they often bring little children, as if you might not be willing to turn them away in front of a child? I've seen the "day sleeper" signs at hardware stores and will probably buy one next time I'm there. Seems like an easy solution, doesn't it?)
Many religions have "cult" aspects. Think about the ones who handle snakes or require new members to hand over all their money, etc. Witnesses certainly don't do that! My friend has a completely "normal" life, with the exception of her very private and personal views on blood transfusions, political activity, holidays and "witnessing." That "cult" label is very subjective and open to a LOT of interpretation.
Perhaps I'm accepting of her faith because she never tries to impose it on me or impose it on society...unlike many of the more vocal and politically active Christians who are so busy telling me how to manage my reproductive and sexual life?
As far as what we might consider "bizarre" beliefs, I happen to know that Mormons in the "inner circle" believe there are MANY gods and that "our" god is just a "minor" god who got to BE a "god" by doing good works, etc. The people of what is now Japan once believed that the world was created on the back of a giant sea turtle! And the Koisan people believe that god is a mantis!
At least one member here practices the Wiccan rites and in years past, she'd've been burned at the stake!
This post corrects alot of blanks about you I had filled in negatively, and wrong. Thanks. :-6
I'm pissed (American definition) at finding and reading this thread. Bigotry in any form is my enemy. I don't like it, and several posters in this thread will hopefully gain some enlightenment and look back on this thread with regret on what they posted and pride that they no longer feel that way.
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Ciao, Bella!
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Fed up with JW's
[QUOTE=Lulu2;539319]" I wish you had come forward sooner with your faith. Then perhaps this would not have gone so far. I am sorry you've been hurt, but I cannot change my views on this matter. "
++++++++++++++++ If anyone had read my post MUCH earlier in this thread, you'd've known we have at least one JW member on this board. Anyone who genuinely cared about their feelings might've stopped , or posted a simple statement that they don't care to be disturbed.
I don't think anyone asked anyone to change their views on this matter.[/QUOTE
Okay, because I didn't post a Do Not Disturb sign, I should be subjected to this? No. If I rang someone's doorbell, and they asked me to not come back, I would honor their request. Should not this courtesy be extended to me? Yes.
++++++++++++++++ If anyone had read my post MUCH earlier in this thread, you'd've known we have at least one JW member on this board. Anyone who genuinely cared about their feelings might've stopped , or posted a simple statement that they don't care to be disturbed.
I don't think anyone asked anyone to change their views on this matter.[/QUOTE
Okay, because I didn't post a Do Not Disturb sign, I should be subjected to this? No. If I rang someone's doorbell, and they asked me to not come back, I would honor their request. Should not this courtesy be extended to me? Yes.
Fed up with JW's
Ciao, Bella!;539437 wrote:
Okay, because I didn't post a Do Not Disturb sign, I should be subjected to this? No. If I rang someone's doorbell, and they asked me to not come back, I would honor their request. Should not this courtesy be extended to me? Yes.
It is your home. You shouldn't have to post signs to keep unwanted visitors away. I feel the same about telemarketers. There is nothing wrong with the local newspaper but there is something wrong with a company that calls me every 3 months and refuses to take me off their phone list.
This doesn't have to do with what religion they are. It has to do with a behaviour that violates your private property. And, yes, you have the right to be left alone at your request.
Okay, because I didn't post a Do Not Disturb sign, I should be subjected to this? No. If I rang someone's doorbell, and they asked me to not come back, I would honor their request. Should not this courtesy be extended to me? Yes.
It is your home. You shouldn't have to post signs to keep unwanted visitors away. I feel the same about telemarketers. There is nothing wrong with the local newspaper but there is something wrong with a company that calls me every 3 months and refuses to take me off their phone list.
This doesn't have to do with what religion they are. It has to do with a behaviour that violates your private property. And, yes, you have the right to be left alone at your request.
Fed up with JW's
"Should not this courtesy be extended to me? Yes."
++++++++ Absolutely, yes! I think people were giving you serious and lighthearted ideas on how to do that, weren't we? Signs above the doorbell should work well, I'd say.
++++++++ Absolutely, yes! I think people were giving you serious and lighthearted ideas on how to do that, weren't we? Signs above the doorbell should work well, I'd say.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
Fed up with JW's
Magenta flame;539188 wrote: Well that has just soured things hasn't it.
To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around.
what ? Are some of you surprised? did I not fit in with the description given of Jehovahs wittnesses? Well that should tell you something right there shouldn't it.
i'm incredibly saddened that one person can google the internet and pick up a few things that clearly demonstrate to me lies and inuendo about a religion that they have little understanding of. Apparently I'm brainwashed, apparently I have no higher education, apparently I shouldn't be talking with any of you. Does that sound right to you guys?
Well I'm sorry but now I know what kind of people you all are I shall take my leave.
I like you whatever your religion Maj.
I'm very sad it came to this.:-1
To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around.
what ? Are some of you surprised? did I not fit in with the description given of Jehovahs wittnesses? Well that should tell you something right there shouldn't it.
i'm incredibly saddened that one person can google the internet and pick up a few things that clearly demonstrate to me lies and inuendo about a religion that they have little understanding of. Apparently I'm brainwashed, apparently I have no higher education, apparently I shouldn't be talking with any of you. Does that sound right to you guys?
Well I'm sorry but now I know what kind of people you all are I shall take my leave.
I like you whatever your religion Maj.
I'm very sad it came to this.:-1
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Bill Sikes
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Fed up with JW's
Magenta flame;539188 wrote: To my knowledge most have liked me on this board, and it's a great shame that now I know people will persecute or hate me because of my faith. It's a little more difficult to stick around.
Don't forget that amongst people who show extreme, and illegal (as well as
immoral) tendencies, there are also reasonable people. I for one would like
you personally to hang about.
Edit: I reopen this to say that I find some of the sentiments expressed since
you "outed" yourself as repulsive as some of those expressed before.
Regards,
Don't forget that amongst people who show extreme, and illegal (as well as
immoral) tendencies, there are also reasonable people. I for one would like
you personally to hang about.
Edit: I reopen this to say that I find some of the sentiments expressed since
you "outed" yourself as repulsive as some of those expressed before.
Regards,