Nomad's Rating: 5 popcorn kernels
"If we pay attention, we can find a greater life, no matter where we are, no matter who we are, no matter what our circumstances are. If you tune into the mysterious coincidences in your life, if you discover and then follow your intuitions, you will find that there's a door of opportunity for a greater life for you. You can't be a victim and do it, but if you go beyond that, if you find a way out of whatever circumstance you're in, whatever block you think you might face, what happens is that it works. It always works. The only thing that holds any of us back is not believing that it works."
-- James Redfield
The Celestine Prophecy
The Celestine Prophecy
I AM AWESOME MAN
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Nomad;539291 wrote:
"If we pay attention, we can find a greater life, no matter where we are, no matter who we are, no matter what our circumstances are. If you tune into the mysterious coincidences in your life, if you discover and then follow your intuitions, you will find that there's a door of opportunity for a greater life for you. You can't be a victim and do it, but if you go beyond that, if you find a way out of whatever circumstance you're in, whatever block you think you might face, what happens is that it works. It always works. The only thing that holds any of us back is not believing that it works."
-- James Redfield
That's a great quote.
"If we pay attention, we can find a greater life, no matter where we are, no matter who we are, no matter what our circumstances are. If you tune into the mysterious coincidences in your life, if you discover and then follow your intuitions, you will find that there's a door of opportunity for a greater life for you. You can't be a victim and do it, but if you go beyond that, if you find a way out of whatever circumstance you're in, whatever block you think you might face, what happens is that it works. It always works. The only thing that holds any of us back is not believing that it works."
-- James Redfield
That's a great quote.
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Here's another one:
"Once you learn what life is about, there is no way to erase the knowledge. If you try to do something else with your life you will always sense that you are missing something."
"Once you learn what life is about, there is no way to erase the knowledge. If you try to do something else with your life you will always sense that you are missing something."
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koan;539746 wrote: Here's another one:
"Once you learn what life is about, there is no way to erase the knowledge. If you try to do something else with your life you will always sense that you are missing something."
Great quote!!! So true.
"Once you learn what life is about, there is no way to erase the knowledge. If you try to do something else with your life you will always sense that you are missing something."
Great quote!!! So true.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Both brilliant quotes and very true.. :-6
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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Nomad;539291 wrote: Nomad's Rating: 5 popcorn kernels
"If we pay attention, we can find a greater life, no matter where we are, no matter who we are, no matter what our circumstances are. If you tune into the mysterious coincidences in your life, if you discover and then follow your intuitions, you will find that there's a door of opportunity for a greater life for you. You can't be a victim and do it, but if you go beyond that, if you find a way out of whatever circumstance you're in, whatever block you think you might face, what happens is that it works. It always works. The only thing that holds any of us back is not believing that it works."
-- James Redfield
OK Nomad.....let me take you through the astral doors.
"If we pay attention, we can find a greater life, no matter where we are, no matter who we are, no matter what our circumstances are. If you tune into the mysterious coincidences in your life, if you discover and then follow your intuitions, you will find that there's a door of opportunity for a greater life for you. You can't be a victim and do it, but if you go beyond that, if you find a way out of whatever circumstance you're in, whatever block you think you might face, what happens is that it works. It always works. The only thing that holds any of us back is not believing that it works."
-- James Redfield
OK Nomad.....let me take you through the astral doors.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
The Celestine Prophecy
Yes, you can believe anything you want, unfortunately reality tends to get in the way most of the time.
Shame.
Shame.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
The Celestine Prophecy
Galbally;539965 wrote: Yes, you can believe anything you want, unfortunately reality tends to get in the way most of the time.
Shame.
I'm not sure which of the quotations you take exception to G.
The book itself is actually a fictional device to express the author's philosophies and ideas.
Shame.
I'm not sure which of the quotations you take exception to G.
The book itself is actually a fictional device to express the author's philosophies and ideas.
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Sorry, yes I am feeling a bit cynical at the moment, and I don't mean to sound abrupt, of course there is a part of life and being human that is not reductive, and is beyond ordinary perception, but at the moment I am in a frame of mind to think about things we can actually deal with on some sort of consensual perceptive basis (i.e. the material world), there are enough people thinking about this other side of existence, (whatever it actually is, or really implies, because I don't know), so I am just giving the slightly colder and deterministic perspective for today.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
The Celestine Prophecy
nvalleyvee;539896 wrote: OK Nomad.....let me take you through the astral doors.
Yes.
Yes.
I AM AWESOME MAN
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Galbally;540032 wrote: Sorry, yes I am feeling a bit cynical at the moment, and I don't mean to sound abrupt, of course there is a part of life and being human that is not reductive, and is beyond ordinary perception, but at the moment I am in a frame of mind to think about things we can actually deal with on some sort of consensual perceptive basis (i.e. the material world), there are enough people thinking about this other side of existence, (whatever it actually is, or really implies, because I don't know), so I am just giving the slightly colder and deterministic perspective for today.
Actually the idea of finding inner strength and pursuing a higher purpose is very much based in reality. Its an arduous practice of finding areas in our lives that need to be tended to and applying diligent and repetetive and maybe sometimes annoying self talk. By reversing doing what we always we do we very much move in life.
Actually the idea of finding inner strength and pursuing a higher purpose is very much based in reality. Its an arduous practice of finding areas in our lives that need to be tended to and applying diligent and repetetive and maybe sometimes annoying self talk. By reversing doing what we always we do we very much move in life.
I AM AWESOME MAN
The Celestine Prophecy
Nomad;540046 wrote: Actually the idea of finding inner strength and pursuing a higher purpose is very much based in reality. Its an arduous practice of finding areas in our lives that need to be tended to and applying diligent and repetetive and maybe sometimes annoying self talk. By reversing doing what we always we do we very much move in life.
Yes, I agree with you. The operative word in that sentence was "consensual" because I cannot experience your perceptions only my own, so these things are by definition subject to the individual, this is a tired old argument actually. Whats useful is that where we can develop areas within which we can be sure that we are experiencing the same things i.e. gravity, a rock, water being wet etc, then its pretty simple (once we have both agreed they are "real" by convention), we can then move on and see what they are actually about, which is precisely what science is about.
Of course we also do this with strictly human ideas such as love, hate, fear, pain, and its pretty obvious we all feel and share these things, and love to discuss and share these experiences through religion, art, literature, etc, but they are still damed difficult to define and study in the way a tree can be. Also of course, there are these experiences on the edge of human experience, visions, perceptions, intuition, synchronicty, ghosts, clairvoyance, etc, etc, these are far more difficult to deal with in any way that does not rely almost entirely on metaphor and storytelling because they are experiential things only, and at the edge of experience at that.
This doesn't mean they should be dismissed, or even that they are not a large part of human experience, they are. However, whatever people think, these are actually the things that most people are obsessed with, not botany, chemistry, astronomy, etc (hard science is actually a minority interest, that the vast majority of the population are not interested in) so this is why the people who do these more prosaic science things, get tired of constantly being asked why they don't look into things like astrology, numerology, the occult, etc etc. There are thousands, and hundreds of thousands of people doing these things, so good for them and let them on I say, I am just not very interested in them, as I don't instinctively "go" for them as it were, and there are far more interesting questions in actual science in my opinion.
Yes, I agree with you. The operative word in that sentence was "consensual" because I cannot experience your perceptions only my own, so these things are by definition subject to the individual, this is a tired old argument actually. Whats useful is that where we can develop areas within which we can be sure that we are experiencing the same things i.e. gravity, a rock, water being wet etc, then its pretty simple (once we have both agreed they are "real" by convention), we can then move on and see what they are actually about, which is precisely what science is about.
Of course we also do this with strictly human ideas such as love, hate, fear, pain, and its pretty obvious we all feel and share these things, and love to discuss and share these experiences through religion, art, literature, etc, but they are still damed difficult to define and study in the way a tree can be. Also of course, there are these experiences on the edge of human experience, visions, perceptions, intuition, synchronicty, ghosts, clairvoyance, etc, etc, these are far more difficult to deal with in any way that does not rely almost entirely on metaphor and storytelling because they are experiential things only, and at the edge of experience at that.
This doesn't mean they should be dismissed, or even that they are not a large part of human experience, they are. However, whatever people think, these are actually the things that most people are obsessed with, not botany, chemistry, astronomy, etc (hard science is actually a minority interest, that the vast majority of the population are not interested in) so this is why the people who do these more prosaic science things, get tired of constantly being asked why they don't look into things like astrology, numerology, the occult, etc etc. There are thousands, and hundreds of thousands of people doing these things, so good for them and let them on I say, I am just not very interested in them, as I don't instinctively "go" for them as it were, and there are far more interesting questions in actual science in my opinion.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
The Celestine Prophecy
I think one of the goals of Redfield's philosophy is to help people find peace and happiness. This is not something that science pretends to have an answer to. Unless you want to count prozac. :rolleyes:
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koan;540096 wrote: I think one of the goals of Redfield's philosophy is to help people find peace and happiness. This is not something that science pretends to have an answer to. Unless you want to count prozac. :rolleyes:
No one ever said it was, and also the idea that human beings can or even should aim for blissful happiness all the time, is questionable at best in my opinion, its probably the best way to achieve unhappiness in reality. One of the truths of our species is that we are in love with nothing so much as ourselves, and thats half our problem.
No one ever said it was, and also the idea that human beings can or even should aim for blissful happiness all the time, is questionable at best in my opinion, its probably the best way to achieve unhappiness in reality. One of the truths of our species is that we are in love with nothing so much as ourselves, and thats half our problem.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
The Celestine Prophecy
Galbally;540102 wrote: No one ever said it was, and also the idea that human beings can or even should aim for blissful happiness all the time, is questionable at best in my opinion, its probably the best way to achieve unhappiness in reality. One of the truths of our species is that we are in love with nothing so much as ourselves, and thats half our problem.
If "ourselves" means us as a species then I might consider agreeing. Anyone who has children should find the other interpretation instantly flawed.
If "ourselves" means us as a species then I might consider agreeing. Anyone who has children should find the other interpretation instantly flawed.
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Galbally;540088 wrote: Yes, I agree with you. The operative word in that sentence was "consensual" because I cannot experience your perceptions only my own, so these things are by definition subject to the individual, this is a tired old argument actually. Whats useful is that where we can develop areas within which we can be sure that we are experiencing the same things i.e. gravity, a rock, water being wet etc, then its pretty simple (once we have both agreed they are "real" by convention), we can then move on and see what they are actually about, which is precisely what science is about.
Of course we also do this with strictly human ideas such as love, hate, fear, pain, and its pretty obvious we all feel and share these things, and love to discuss and share these experiences through religion, art, literature, etc, but they are still damed difficult to define and study in the way a tree can be. Also of course, there are these experiences on the edge of human experience, visions, perceptions, intuition, synchronicty, ghosts, clairvoyance, etc, etc, these are far more difficult to deal with in any way that does not rely almost entirely on metaphor and storytelling because they are experiential things only, and at the edge of experience at that.
This doesn't mean they should be dismissed, or even that they are not a large part of human experience, they are. However, whatever people think, these are actually the things that most people are obsessed with, not botany, chemistry, astronomy, etc (hard science is actually a minority interest, that the vast majority of the population are not interested in) so this is why the people who do these more prosaic science things, get tired of constantly being asked why they don't look into things like astrology, numerology, the occult, etc etc. There are thousands, and hundreds of thousands of people doing these things, so good for them and let them on I say, I am just not very interested in them, as I don't instinctively "go" for them as it were, and there are far more interesting questions in actual science in my opinion.
It wasnt meant as a debate exercise. I saw the film and enjoyed it, also the ideas are aligned with my own personal beliefs so I shared it here.
Of course we also do this with strictly human ideas such as love, hate, fear, pain, and its pretty obvious we all feel and share these things, and love to discuss and share these experiences through religion, art, literature, etc, but they are still damed difficult to define and study in the way a tree can be. Also of course, there are these experiences on the edge of human experience, visions, perceptions, intuition, synchronicty, ghosts, clairvoyance, etc, etc, these are far more difficult to deal with in any way that does not rely almost entirely on metaphor and storytelling because they are experiential things only, and at the edge of experience at that.
This doesn't mean they should be dismissed, or even that they are not a large part of human experience, they are. However, whatever people think, these are actually the things that most people are obsessed with, not botany, chemistry, astronomy, etc (hard science is actually a minority interest, that the vast majority of the population are not interested in) so this is why the people who do these more prosaic science things, get tired of constantly being asked why they don't look into things like astrology, numerology, the occult, etc etc. There are thousands, and hundreds of thousands of people doing these things, so good for them and let them on I say, I am just not very interested in them, as I don't instinctively "go" for them as it were, and there are far more interesting questions in actual science in my opinion.
It wasnt meant as a debate exercise. I saw the film and enjoyed it, also the ideas are aligned with my own personal beliefs so I shared it here.
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koan;540113 wrote: If "ourselves" means us as a species then I might consider agreeing. Anyone who has children should find the other interpretation instantly flawed.
I mean the big "us" koan, rampant individualism, selfishness and the "its all about me" thing are pretty recent, and apply to one culture, our own. But human beings in general, are self absorbed in being human beings, and don't normally see much outside of that, which is fine and natural, until it becomes necessary to have to do that to solve a problem, or look at something in an impartial way.
I mean the big "us" koan, rampant individualism, selfishness and the "its all about me" thing are pretty recent, and apply to one culture, our own. But human beings in general, are self absorbed in being human beings, and don't normally see much outside of that, which is fine and natural, until it becomes necessary to have to do that to solve a problem, or look at something in an impartial way.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
The Celestine Prophecy
Nomad;540147 wrote: It wasnt meant as a debate exercise. I saw the film and enjoyed it, also the ideas are aligned with my own personal beliefs so I shared it here.
Thats fair enough, I don't know why I went off on one, just feeling a bit cold and logical today. Its all good.
Thats fair enough, I don't know why I went off on one, just feeling a bit cold and logical today. Its all good.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.