All The Current Talk About 9-11

[TruthBringer]

Look, here's the simple fact about 9/11 folks.

The Government could have prevented it.

That's all there is to it.

Whether or not they want to use the old "We didn't know it was coming" excuse, the fact is, that while those planes were in the air, sending out distress signals, flying way off their patterns, ect. ect., the Government could have and should have sent their Air Force to check things out.

Too many hours went by and the Government didn't do jack **** to prevent the disaster.

I don't want to hear the excuses. If the Presidents plane was acting funny in any way, and there were signs of distress, the Air Force would have been up in the air within minutes.

But when it came to 9-11, nothing was done. NOTHING!!!!

That's really all that needs to be said.....and yes, we should blame our own Government. And we shouldn't feel bad for doing so.

What about the terrorists you say? They couldn't have done it without the miserable response that our Country's leaders mustered up.

[TruthBringer]

Of all the peculiarities, unanswered questions, and things that don't add up about the 9-11 terrorist attacks, the one aspect that keeps nagging at me revolves around our military's incredible lack of response to the hijackings of four airliners. Anyone who investigates this matter will soon find that the United States Air Force and the FAA both established procedures that have been in place for at least 25 years regarding planes that veer abnormally off course.

Specifically, the Federal law MANDATES that the Air Force must dispatch a plane to investigate why a certain craft has strayed from its predestined route. These interceptors are only allowed to shoot an airliner from the sky under orders from the President, but that doesn't negate that they are still required to investigate the situation in a timely manner.

And yet, on 9-11, NO ONE FOLLOWED ORDERS! Why? Who gave these orders? Plus, Washington, D.C. has the most restricted air space in the country, yet from 9:03 A.M., when the second tower was hit, to 9:47 A.M., when the Pentagon came under attack....when the Air Force KNEW that a jet was headed toward the Capitol, no planes were dispatched to intercept it. Who gave the orders for these planes to 'stand down', and, God forbid, were some even called back after they had taken off?

[TruthBringer]

To begin understanding how apalling this situation is, we first need to know that there are at least twelve National Guard and Air Force installations in close proximity to the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Plus, Andrews Air Force Base is only ten miles from the heart of Washington, D.C. Why wasn't something done to avert this catastrophe, and why isn't the mainstream media asking some very hard questions regarding this deliberately ordered crime?

Yes, I said crime, and once you get a load of the following timeline, you'll concur with this strong terminology.

Between 7:59 A.M. - 8:10 A.M., the airliners that would ultimately crash into the WTC and the Pentagon were hijacked.

By 8:15 A.M., air traffic controllers knew that the planes were in trouble. At this point, the Air Force should have dispatched, per standard operating procedures, fighters that would determine why these jets veered from their normal route. By 8:15 A.M.!

At 8:45 A.M., - a half-hour later, American Airlines flight 11 struck the WTC's north tower. (This flight took off at exactly 7:59 A.M.), and therefore, the Government knew it was in trouble for at least 35 minutes, if not more. And they did nothing!

At 9:03 A.M., United Airlines flight 175 crashed into the South Tower. (It took off at exactly 8:10 A.M.)

At 9:05 A.M. (supposedly) Andrew Card told President Bush of the unfolding catastrophe. At the same time, American Airlines flight 77 veered off course near Chicago and headed toward Washington, D.C. for an impending attack.

At 9:06 A.M., the New York Daily News reported that on the morning of the attack, the NYPD dispatched a message declaring, "This was a terrorist attack - notify the Pentagon".

Still, NO Air Force jets had yet been scrambled! None. Why?

At 9:35 A.M., American Airlines flight 77, which had been tracked by radar all the way from Chicago, circled the Pentagon, yet this military installation was not evacuated! Plus, the Air Force still hadn't sent out any jets! How completely incredible is this scenario?

A few minutes later with the utmost precision, American Airlines flight 77 drops 7,000 feet in 2 and 1/2 minutes. It is flying so low at this point that the plane is taking out utility poles and clipping trees en route to its target. The jumbo jet finally zeroes in EXACTLY on the Pentagon while traveling at 460 knots (approx 529 mph).

Finally, at 9:40 A.M., a full hour and 31 minutes after the FAA knew that the first airliner had been hijacked.....guess what happened? The Air Force dispatched their jets!

[TruthBringer]

The Pentagon was aware of these hijackings since at least 8:45 A.M., when the first tower was struck (and more likely before then), and yet it took them 55 minutes to take action. 55 minutes! By 8:15 A.M., when the FAA learned of the hijackings, federal law required that the military dispatch planes to either divert the plane's course, or determine the need to shoot them down. This is the normal procedure! But the Pentagon waited until 9:40 A.M. after all the damage was already done.

Who commanded the Air Force to stand down, and why is the media still feeding us the "incompetence" line? The Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk could have had a plane up in the air in that much time!

Barry Zwicker, a Canadian media analyst, wrote on January 21, 2002:

"That morning no interceptors responded in a timely fashion to the highest alert situation. That includes the Andrews squadron that is only a few miles from the White House. Whatever the explanation for the huge failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the incompetence theory! Incompetence usually earns reprimands. This causes me to ask whether there were 'stand down' orders."

[TruthBringer]

According to many sources, Dick Cheney was garnted special power's to be in charge of N.O.R.A.D. about 5 month's prior to 9/11/01.This is the first time in the 50+year's of N.O.R.A.D. that someone other then a high ranking USA military official has been in charge of the defense of our skie's.

Dick Cheney ordered N.O.R.A.D. to "stand down" that day.

Certain official's apparently knew the attack was going to happen and did nothing about it. I personally believe it was so that they could take advantage of it.

[Erinna1112]

I don't know, I'd call a former Secretary of Defense a "high-ranking military official."

Conspiracy theories. Yeesh. Where's the "eyeroll" emoticon when you need it?

[TruthBringer]

Point of fact Erinna.

He wasn't a high ranking military official when he gave the order. And my question for you would be, WHY DID HE GIVE THE ORDER? Thousands of Americans are dead because of it.

Again, this is not a conspiracy theory.

These are facts.

Did the Air Force respond at all when those planes were in the air? Did they or didn't they? Where is the conspiracy theory that you speak of? All I see are FACTS.

We're not being given the entire story because something doesn't add up.

Who in the mainstream media is asking these, and other, pertinent questions? No one!

Who in the Pentagon is answering these questions? No one!

Finally, who in the Pentagon has been made accountable for the Air Force stand-down? Again, no one!

Do you think it's time our Government and the media started addressing these issues? I do.

[RhondaLu]

WonderWendy3;543686 wrote: thank you, we need the "blah blah blah" emoticon for this guy....didn't even read it all, don't need to...if you don't like it here in America...get out!!

China has room for ya!


Was that called for?

As far as China, they pretty much own you.

[WonderWendy3]

RhondaLu;543691 wrote: Was that called for?

As far as China, they pretty much own you.


I deleted my opinion...I shouldn't have said anything, will not argue about this, since that is why this thread was started in the first place...

[TruthBringer]

flopstock;543674 wrote: Get a grip already!



Shoulda couldas are great after the fact... and hey if it comes up again, yeah you've got a point...hopefully a better plan has been established... but when you consider that all planes were ordered to land immediately at the nearest available landing strip once it became evident what was actually going on... NO BODY was on course that morning. We are a small community in the middle of nowhere illinois and our small airport was filled to capacity because we have runways that can handle larger corporate jets.. we diverted planes to other small fields that could take them...



If this was happening all across north america including washington d.c....you want the airforce to be able to determine who is a threat... based on what?



So, exactly who was there to tell the airforce which ones were okay and which ones needed to be tracked?



I blame my government for enough on a day to day basis that I don't need to make up stuff to add to the list.


lol. No offense but that's a joke.

I don't care what airport is packed. Watch what happens if the President's plane (AirForceOne) is ever endangered in any way whatsoever.

Watch how quickly the Air Force will scramble together to get in the air.

Now look at what happened on 9-11. You do the math partner.

Perhaps it wasn't your family members that died on 9-11 in the towers. But it was somebody elses. And those people should be furious about the Government NOT RESPONDING IN ANY WAY to the signs of distress and strange deviations of flight patterns when the FAA AND the Air Force both knew what was going on before it even happened.

So keep telling me excuses for why they didn't perform and go ahead and keep telling me why the order was given for the Air Force to stand down.

"Stand down Air Force", lets watch and see what happens!

[weeder]

Ive seen many of the videos presenting evidence that supports US involvement in the September 11th attacks. Not only involvement, but as Im sure you know... the theory that our own government carried out the attacks. It is pretty difficult to review all of the information and not believe that this is so. Ive been feeling very frightened since seeing Loose Change.

It is horrifying to consider that our government planned or at the least failed to prevent Sept. 11. There has been a lot of underground talk encouraging people to come together and get a grip on what is going on, before it is too late. I rarely contribute to political threads, as I do not consider myself smart enough to do so. But as just a regular citizen, I can see the corralation between stradegy implemented to keep us at war, and the mission for corporations to take over and run our society. So from that stand point much of the evidence uncovered makes sense to me. When I was a kid, I often heard the comment that there were foreign countries that placed no value on human life ( like China) unlike the US whose main priority was the lives of our citizens. Thats why we, as Americans were very fortunate people. Well, one only has to acknowledge the human suffering present here, to realize.. that that is no longer the case. The value we once placed on human life, and the quality of life for our people has slid down to nothing.

Perhaps I really do not understand the continual manuverings required to keep dogs from getting in our doors. But what are the dogs after? Our freedom? Or the wealth and life style enjoyed by a select group here? Dont read my comments and accuse me of being un American. I constantly think of the young men who have been raised to feel patriotism. So much so that they are going off to die for us. I pray to God that they are not dying in vain. And please dont tell me to leave, if I dont like it. My brain toys with the notion of leaving every day. The reality is that I cant pack up sons and grand children and sisters and parents and take them with me. If movie producers can come together to make movies about the death and dying that went on that day.. then surely people can come together to demand an explanation for so many of the unresolved questions regarding that day. There is power in numbers ( when did we forget that? ) Ill gladly give up my BIG REFRIGERATOR which is supposed to be so indicitive of the secure lives we Americans lead.... to have the shady circumstances surrounding Sept. 11th explained.

[RhondaLu]

Pinky;543960 wrote: Doesn't that mean they own you as well then? Seeing as you come from the same country as WW3


Yeah, Our country owes them a tremendous amount of money.

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RhondaLu;544046 wrote: Yeah, Our country owes them a tremendous amount of money.


It's not a tremendous amount - only $3,000 for each man, woman and child in the USA. The additional $2,000 a head being added to the repayable debt each year is far more difficult to deal with than a pot-load of currency reserves in foreign hands.

I bet the Saudis are holding more than the Chinese, if it comes to that, and the Chinese are probably better disposed toward the States than the Saudis are right now.

[TruthBringer]

flopstock;543958 wrote: Doesn't airforce one have a military escort already?



I did the math partner, which is why I find it reasonable for the air force to not attempt to shoot down every aircraft that deviated from flight plan that morning... just about everyone did at some point. Imagine your outrage had they shot down an innocent plane. Imagine your outrage had they begun shooting planes out of the sky because a single plane had crashed into the building.



I don't feel any 'excuses' are required for the situation of that morning.. the first of it's kind. Should something similar happen tomorrow, I would expect there to be a plan in place. But until something has actually happened once, I don't expect anyone to be godlike to the extent that they can foresee every contingency and have a foolproof plan for dealing with it.



And yeah, I'm done here... so feel free to carry on and feel like you made a significant point...:-6


Yo Flop. I got news for you Brother. EVERYONE DIED ANYWAYS!!!!

Everyone in the planes died. Everyone in the towers dies. The Terrorists died. Men, Women, Children, they all died! Thousands of them! Jumping to their death in the burning flames.

Son of a Bitch man. You think I wouldn't have given an order for the Air Force to check things out! Your damn right I would have! And if it came down to it in the end and shooting down the planes was the only option, I would have given the order for that too!

[TruthBringer]

Here's a video clip that provides evidence to the fact that Dick Cheney is the one who gave the Air Force the orders to 'Stand Down' on September 11.

I really recommend that everyone at least watch it before coming to a final conclusion.

3 minutes and something long. Not too much time out of your lives.

All you have to do is click on the link below to watch the video.