old london town and east end

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:57 pm

in another thread i wrote of mine and carolleys walk down memory lane,we saw the old tennemants and slums for what we knew them just that!yet we saw visitors to our country ,americans in particular,photographing and behaving exitedly.whilst this pleases us a good deal we dont claim to fully understand it can any of you tell us what you like about our london?and in particular our old east end?

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:00 pm

Not the literacy, lol.

I always wonder that too, London is a dump really. There are much nicer places to be. When I was in Florida, a couple of times I was asked if I'd had tea with the queen, they actually thought we knew her personally. It was really funny.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:00 pm

hoxtonchris;550173 wrote: in another thread i wrote of mine and carolleys walk down memory lane,we saw the old tennemants and slums for what we knew them just that!yet we saw visitors to our country ,americans in particular,photographing and behaving exitedly.whilst this pleases us a good deal we dont claim to fully understand it can any of you tell us what you like about our london?and in particular our old east end?
I guess its the history babe, jack the ripper land and all that!

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:00 pm

just for a taster this is a pub in london charring cross,its the only one i know of thats on 2 different sides of the street!

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crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:01 pm

hoxtonchris;550180 wrote: just for a taster this is a pub in london charring cross,its the only one i know of thats on 2 different sides of the street!

Oh I've never seen that before, how strange.

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:02 pm

crazygal;550178 wrote: Not the literacy, lol.

I always wonder that too, London is a dump really. There are much nicer places to be. When I was in Florida, a couple of times I was asked if I'd had tea with the queen, they actually thought we knew her personally. It was really funny.
that reminds me!my mum used to say she had pie and mash with the queen!or liz as she called her!

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:05 pm

steady girl not quite a dump!!

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crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:06 pm

hoxtonchris;550183 wrote: that reminds me!my mum used to say she had pie and mash with the queen!or liz as she called her!

Ha ha. I bet they believed her as well. With jellied eels? I'd never eat those but there is the BEST Pie and Mash shop in Shepherds Bush. Lovely with loads of liquor. It's always packed in there.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:09 pm

hoxtonchris;550187 wrote: steady girl not quite a dump!!Lovely pictures Chris xx

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:13 pm

oh crazeygirl the eels are to die for as my carolley would say!they are realy good stuff

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:20 pm

hoxtonchris;550173 wrote: in another thread i wrote of mine and carolleys walk down memory lane,we saw the old tennemants and slums for what we knew them just that!yet we saw visitors to our country ,americans in particular,photographing and behaving exitedly.whilst this pleases us a good deal we dont claim to fully understand it can any of you tell us what you like about our london?and in particular our old east end?

The least? The new (60's) estates of slums.

The best? The variety. Also, the history - especially the old buildings with their intricate detailing and unusual inscriptions that speak of a lost age.

Examples? Within a half a mile of here, walking down backstreets, you can see the "Soup Kitchen for the Jewish Poor", the "Eastern Dispensary, Supported by Voluntary Donations", the "Mission for the Souls of Distressed Seamen", Wilton's Music Hall, Christ Church Spittlefields and a dozen others.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:21 pm

hoxtonchris;550187 wrote: steady girl not quite a dump!!

I thought you said the East End?

crazygal · Post by **crazygal** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:24 pm

Been turned into one since half of the Londoners have been forced out.:-5

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:29 pm

Carolly;550179 wrote: I guess its the history babe, jack the ripper land and all that!

That part may be true, Carolly...I live in Arizona and in Lake Havasu, we have the London Bridge. (one of them) I think it was brought there in '74 or so. I always wonder if Jack the Ripper or any of the unfortunate victims ever walked that thing. Or really, what famous/infamous people did.

I've never been to London to comment, but I wouldn't mind going to see it.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:44 pm

RedGlitter;550219 wrote: That part may be true, Carolly...I live in Arizona and in Lake Havasu, we have the London Bridge. (one of them) I think it was brought there in '74 or so. I always wonder if Jack the Ripper or any of the unfortunate victims ever walked that thing. Or really, what famous/infamous people did.

I've never been to London to comment, but I wouldn't mind going to see it.

Jack might have done but I doubt the victims ever did. They were Whitechapple and London Bridge was over a mile away.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:58 pm

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:05 pm

Soberano;550250 wrote: I would love to comment on this thread but being a turnip muncher from deepest Devon i have never been any further than Mexico.:-1
probably quicker to get to mexico than travel across london in rush our traffic:D

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:07 pm

I only spent the weekend in London, and it was raining.... and I had to keep up with my friends as I was afraid of getting lost. But the impression I will remember most clearly was that it reminded me of a mini Manhattan in many ways. The reason is because Manhattan has China Town and Little Italy and all little ethnic communities within a huge city. Just the name London evokes feelings of grandeur and history and class and elegance.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:08 pm

Diuretic;550342 wrote: There used to be a Roman milestone on the southern side of London Bridge (the one in Havasu City I mean), it was on the wall on the western side. I wonder if they go the milestone with the bridge?

I will look to see next time I'm there...I don't recall ever seeing anything that might have looked like a milestone though...how cool that would have been to see!!

Here's a photo of the bridge. Built in 1831, it was bought by some rich guy here named McCulloch, dismantled, numbered each block, and rebuilt across a lake specially made for it. They also left out one arch. Whether that arch is in a warehouse somewhere or was used for the little trinket souvenirs is not known. I hope I didn't hijack Carolly's and Chris's thread! I just thought you Londoners might want to see where your bridge lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lond ... Havasu.jpg

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:23 pm

Hmm...the only thing I remember on the wall is a big plaque commemorating the bridge. I have heard that part of the bridge was left in London because of duties...maybe that milestone was left behind? I find this really interesting and wish I could have seen this mysterious milestone! That would, in my opinion, be better than the whole bridge! How are you Diuretic? It's good to see you around again! :-6

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:14 pm

Thanks Di! I went searching for this mysterious stone and all I came up with were other milestones and something called "The London Stone." All were interesting though. I am embarrassed to say that I did not know about the Roman relics under London. Well I guess I'd heard about them but didn't realize the extent. I am having a fascinating read about it all. I'ms o glad this thread was started!

I am sorry you've been unwell! I hope you're back to yourself soon!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:18 pm

Carolly;550179 wrote: I guess its the history babe, jack the ripper land and all that!

While I can only speak in regards to my own interests I would have to agree that mostly it may be the shere history of London...

Mostly myself wanting to visit England is more so for the history of it all...As far as choosing London,..well...I wouldn't really care as long as I were able to see nice landscapes and historical architecture...

London from my own knowledge is extremely ancient...I mean, Before it was called London, it was called Londinium wasn't it? Predating the rise of the Roman inception?

From an American standpoint, everything we see here is fairly new...The closest thing we come to history(with the exception of landscapes obviously) is the Golden Gate Bridge,..or the Statue of Liberty...Only a couple hundred years old...

From what I understand, you have buildings in England that probably predate the renaissance right?

As far as them choosing London, I would have to guess it's popularity and it's resemblance of all of England. Maybe they just don't know any better...As for me, after reading this thread, I surely would exhaust every other option first based on some of the testimonies in here. Although, it would depend on why I would be going to England in the first place...Obviously if I were going to a Fulham game, I would be visiting East London. :wah:

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:06 am

Thank you for that scan, Di! I will look more into this. It's really interesting.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:59 am

Oh please, no need to feel bad, Di! It was a good chase because I learned neat things along the way that I would not have otherwise. :-6

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:06 am

hoxtonchris;550180 wrote: just for a taster this is a pub in london charring cross,its the only one i know of thats on 2 different sides of the street!

Looks as though the gents. is right in the middle!

OzBoy · Post by **OzBoy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:26 am

Being an eastender and all, what I love about London is that the garbage collectors come into your front yard and take the bins out for you so you never have to worry about forgetting them, and we are in walking distance to african, chinese, thai, indian, lebenese, turkish and carribbean restaurants and after we've eaten, at any time of the day and night we can get any drug we like just by walking down the main street and asking - gotta love London

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:51 am

we realy chuffed to see such interest in our home town,i remember one time i was in a museum that is situated in tooley street ,london bridge statio.its called the london dungeon,its full of torture,victoriana,themed exibits ,eg the great fire of london,and the great plague etc etc ,i was queing under the arches that run under the station when a young american lad asked his mum,"whats the holes n the roof for mom?"being a tease i said in my finest dick van dyke cockney accent(grooooan)thats where they poured the boiling oil on the prisoners,it was in fact where the coal was emptied onto the coal merchants horse and cart from the coal trains above!...another time i was visiting the tower f london,it was the queen mums birthday,at 1pm a terriffic bang went off!BOOM!!all the foreighners duckedlooked around and generally panicked,but us from thereabouts expected the royal horse artillery to do the gun salute so was able to maintain our famous stiff upper lip!i even said to one bloke "keep it together mate the worlds watching"!

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:56 am

for those that dont know ,these two are "the twins"ronnie and reggie Kray,they ran the east london underworld during the 60sthey were thought of as modern day robin hoods,ime not sure bout that ,but one things for sure they kept the peace on their "manor"they were held in the tower over night ,the last actual prisoners there!on hearing the guide in the tower tell this ,a guy from os asked ,"who are they"to which i replied"you know ned kelly?times it by 2"

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hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:52 pm

after reading the thread entitled visit australia with me i thought i would resurect a thread i put on when i first came to the garden hope folk find it of interest

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:05 pm

these pics were put on at the start of this thread,just thought ide put em at this point as a re,intro...my favorite is the green cabin .its a london cab drivers cafe and these cafes are now listed buildings!!

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hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:06 pm

pic no 2 is a pub that is situated on 2 different sides of the street neer charring cross

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:05 pm

crazygal;550178 wrote: Not the literacy, lol.

I always wonder that too, London is a dump really. There are much nicer places to be. When I was in Florida, a couple of times I was asked if I'd had tea with the queen, they actually thought we knew her personally. It was really funny.

Outside Harrods, a couple of days of days after Princess Diana died, an elderly American lady gave me a hug and said she really felt sorry for me, having lost my princess, she said it as if she had heard that a family member had died.I just said thank you.I was a bit taken aback because I was just walking in the street talking to my mother at the time, not looking upset and not even talking about Diana.

I had the impression she thought maybe the princess was a special friend since I was right outside Harrods, I don't know.

Still, it showed she was a nice compassionate woman.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:49 am

lemon_and_mint;756021 wrote: Outside Harrods, a couple of days of days after Princess Diana died, an elderly American lady gave me a hug and said she really felt sorry for me, having lost my princess, she said it as if she had heard that a family member had died.I just said thank you.I was a bit taken aback because I was just walking in the street talking to my mother at the time, not looking upset and not even talking about Diana.

I had the impression she thought maybe the princess was a special friend since I was right outside Harrods, I don't know.

Still, it showed she was a nice compassionate woman.I remember being really upset over her death and it did feel as if I had lost a friend.That woman really won our hearts thats for sure.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:52 am

hoxtonchris;755974 wrote: these pics were put on at the start of this thread,just thought ide put em at this point as a re,intro...my favorite is the green cabin .its a london cab drivers cafe and these cafes are now listed buildings!!
Some really interesting pictures you took there Chris expecially for our friends so far away.:driving::)

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:16 am

Carolly;756202 wrote: I remember being really upset over her death and it did feel as if I had lost a friend.That woman really won our hearts thats for sure.

i think i was more shocked than upset, but certainly i was upset for the young princes.And angry, that this neednt have happened if the paparazzi had only left her alone - you can look back and see that this was just building up to the accident that entire summer, they just would not leave her alone.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:02 am

lemon_and_mint;756209 wrote: i think i was more shocked than upset, but certainly i was upset for the young princes.And angry, that this neednt have happened if the paparazzi had only left her alone - you can look back and see that this was just building up to the accident that entire summer, they just would not leave her alone.Well Lemon we all have our thoughts of how the Princess died and I for one do not believe all I read or hear and theres so much that we will never really know.