Almost every day one reads of muggers, rapists, armed robbers, and other scum de la scum that make it into our national newspapers, usually accompanied by their photos and names. Often the victims of these crimes are scarred for life emotionally by what they have been forced to go through.
Now, my question is this - nobody in their right mind would wave a paper over their head and say:"Here, you seen a picture of my brother? He's just got twelve years for raping a six-year old girl!" Almost without exception, though, it is somebody's son/brother/cousin or whatever that is about to be banged up for several years. "Blood is thicker than water" goes the old cliche - but is it? God forbid it ever happens to your brother/son/nephew, but how would you handle the situation, especially if you were well known in the local community? Would you say: "I was not the one who committed this crime, and no matter what he has done, he is still my brother/son and I will do all within my power to help him." Or would the humiliation of seeing your brother/son go to prison be so great that you would say to him publically "Rot in Hell, you son of a b***h, you have destroyed every ounce of self respect and have brought shame upon the family name. So much so, that I am now changing my name by deed poll." And do it. How serious a crime, or how high a degree of public humiliation would be needed for you to turn your back on your brother and never see or hear from him again? Would you, in fact, visit your brother in jail, even if he was a s.o.b.?
Blood thicker than water?
Blood thicker than water?
Dunno, :-2
who knows what you'd do until it happened to you.
who knows what you'd do until it happened to you.
Blood thicker than water?
nope is the answer!!!
I actually had the experience of watching a crime series on telly...(y'know the ones that actually show pics of the wanted...... i sat there one night and saw a really close uncles picture on the telly! OMFG!!! wanted for sexually assaulting kids at the local shopping centre! what made it worse his wife and kids were watching it too!!!
hence to say everyone disowned him...... his kids have changed their last name to their mums maiden name!!
He went to jail for about 7 years!
I actually had the experience of watching a crime series on telly...(y'know the ones that actually show pics of the wanted...... i sat there one night and saw a really close uncles picture on the telly! OMFG!!! wanted for sexually assaulting kids at the local shopping centre! what made it worse his wife and kids were watching it too!!!
hence to say everyone disowned him...... his kids have changed their last name to their mums maiden name!!
He went to jail for about 7 years!
Blood thicker than water?
abbey;558105 wrote: Dunno, :-2
who knows what you'd do until it happened to you.
If it hit the nationals, and happened to me, I would, in all probability, shake the dust from my feet and walk away, never to return.
who knows what you'd do until it happened to you.
If it hit the nationals, and happened to me, I would, in all probability, shake the dust from my feet and walk away, never to return.
Blood thicker than water?
weinbeck;558102 wrote: Almost every day one reads of muggers, rapists, armed robbers, and other scum de la scum that make it into our national newspapers, usually accompanied by their photos and names. Often the victims of these crimes are scarred for life emotionally by what they have been forced to go through.
Now, my question is this - nobody in their right mind would wave a paper over their head and say:"Here, you seen a picture of my brother? He's just got twelve years for raping a six-year old girl!" Almost without exception, though, it is somebody's son/brother/cousin or whatever that is about to be banged up for several years. "Blood is thicker than water" goes the old cliche - but is it? God forbid it ever happens to your brother/son/nephew, but how would you handle the situation, especially if you were well known in the local community? Would you say: "I was not the one who committed this crime, and no matter what he has done, he is still my brother/son and I will do all within my power to help him." Or would the humiliation of seeing your brother/son go to prison be so great that you would say to him publically "Rot in Hell, you son of a b***h, you have destroyed every ounce of self respect and have brought shame upon the family name. So much so, that I am now changing my name by deed poll." And do it. How serious a crime, or how high a degree of public humiliation would be needed for you to turn your back on your brother and never see or hear from him again? Would you, in fact, visit your brother in jail, even if he was a s.o.b.?
I can only say what I think I'd do as it is one of them questions that you just don't know what you'd do unless you're in that situation (and hopefully never will be).
If any of my family ever killed someone intentially, raped or touched a child, I would shop them to the old bill without any hesitation. I think if it was my children I would still talk to them but I could never defend or make excuses for what they'd done. Anyone else I would wipe my hands with them, finished, finito, no contact ever again.
I can never understand the people that stand by their loved ones, when they have committed terrible crimes, I can't help but feel it is their own self estem and problems that makes them cling to the criminal.
Now, my question is this - nobody in their right mind would wave a paper over their head and say:"Here, you seen a picture of my brother? He's just got twelve years for raping a six-year old girl!" Almost without exception, though, it is somebody's son/brother/cousin or whatever that is about to be banged up for several years. "Blood is thicker than water" goes the old cliche - but is it? God forbid it ever happens to your brother/son/nephew, but how would you handle the situation, especially if you were well known in the local community? Would you say: "I was not the one who committed this crime, and no matter what he has done, he is still my brother/son and I will do all within my power to help him." Or would the humiliation of seeing your brother/son go to prison be so great that you would say to him publically "Rot in Hell, you son of a b***h, you have destroyed every ounce of self respect and have brought shame upon the family name. So much so, that I am now changing my name by deed poll." And do it. How serious a crime, or how high a degree of public humiliation would be needed for you to turn your back on your brother and never see or hear from him again? Would you, in fact, visit your brother in jail, even if he was a s.o.b.?
I can only say what I think I'd do as it is one of them questions that you just don't know what you'd do unless you're in that situation (and hopefully never will be).
If any of my family ever killed someone intentially, raped or touched a child, I would shop them to the old bill without any hesitation. I think if it was my children I would still talk to them but I could never defend or make excuses for what they'd done. Anyone else I would wipe my hands with them, finished, finito, no contact ever again.
I can never understand the people that stand by their loved ones, when they have committed terrible crimes, I can't help but feel it is their own self estem and problems that makes them cling to the criminal.
I am nobody..nobody is perfect...therefore I must be Perfect!
Blood thicker than water?
I currently think that many criminals are not given proper rehabilitation. That would be the same attitude I'd maintain with a family member who committed a crime if they needed psych help. I truly don't believe anyone is born evil.
I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
Blood thicker than water?
some/ most people just dont change .....i think i would dust my hands of anyone who murdered without cause, raped someone, or molested a child...
Blood thicker than water?
koan;558116 wrote: I currently think that many criminals are not given proper rehabilitation. That would be the same attitude I'd maintain with a family member who committed a crime if they needed psych help. I truly don't believe anyone is born evil.
I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
I beg to differ. There are too many "Lord Longfords" and professional do-gooders all rallying round to support the families of those, whose breadwinner is in prison. Let's have more support for the victims of crime, rather that fighting for better social/therapy sessions for those behind bars - "Very sad M'Lud - his parents were divorced when he was seven..." No thank you - hang'em, and hang 'em high!
I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
I beg to differ. There are too many "Lord Longfords" and professional do-gooders all rallying round to support the families of those, whose breadwinner is in prison. Let's have more support for the victims of crime, rather that fighting for better social/therapy sessions for those behind bars - "Very sad M'Lud - his parents were divorced when he was seven..." No thank you - hang'em, and hang 'em high!
Blood thicker than water?
Is this to turn into a vigilante/ death penalty thread?
I didn't know that's what you were looking for. I'll roll the video camera.
I didn't know that's what you were looking for. I'll roll the video camera.
Blood thicker than water?
koan;558116 wrote: I currently think that many criminals are not given proper rehabilitation. That would be the same attitude I'd maintain with a family member who committed a crime if they needed psych help. I truly don't believe anyone is born evil.
I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
Believe me when it happens to you...... and everyone seems to cut you off because your that rapists daughter/mother/ niece im sure you would not be soo sympathetic
I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
Believe me when it happens to you...... and everyone seems to cut you off because your that rapists daughter/mother/ niece im sure you would not be soo sympathetic
Blood thicker than water?
Rosette;558154 wrote: Believe me when it happens to you...... and everyone seems to cut you off because your that rapists daughter/mother/ niece im sure you would not be soo sympathetic
Like I said: I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
I am still in opposition to the "hang 'em high" attitude.
Like I said: I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
I am still in opposition to the "hang 'em high" attitude.
Blood thicker than water?
this makes me think of an elementary school principle here..he is well known and well respected in this community.....several years ago his eighteen year old son took a crow bar and beat a perfect stranger to death....a husband and father or three small kids.....
the kids is serving life without the possibility of parol.......which i think is fitting...
but i have saw how alot of people started shunning this principle and his wife.....and that was just cruel...everybody whispered there must be something wrong at home for their boy to do what he did....
the kids is serving life without the possibility of parol.......which i think is fitting...
but i have saw how alot of people started shunning this principle and his wife.....and that was just cruel...everybody whispered there must be something wrong at home for their boy to do what he did....
Blood thicker than water?
I think the nature of the crime would obviously be the determining factor...
Knowing my immediate family now, I can honestly say that they wouldn't do anything to intentionally hurt anyone, and that's something you have to know to be true, which then makes in all probability my undivided loyalty to...They are good people...
As for my distant relatives, I don't know of one that I think could harm anyone intentionally, but for the sake of the thread, I wouldn't treat them any different than I would my fellow brethren...(Obviously, them being family the only thing that would be different would be a heightened sense of closeness)...
Blood is thicker than water, but what the thread is lacking is the portrayal of "Blood" never having to be defined as only from that of your relatives.
Knowing my immediate family now, I can honestly say that they wouldn't do anything to intentionally hurt anyone, and that's something you have to know to be true, which then makes in all probability my undivided loyalty to...They are good people...
As for my distant relatives, I don't know of one that I think could harm anyone intentionally, but for the sake of the thread, I wouldn't treat them any different than I would my fellow brethren...(Obviously, them being family the only thing that would be different would be a heightened sense of closeness)...
Blood is thicker than water, but what the thread is lacking is the portrayal of "Blood" never having to be defined as only from that of your relatives.
Blood thicker than water?
i agree pinky..i have friends in rl that are closer to me than family could ever be....we will always be there for eachother.....:-4
Blood thicker than water?
Its one of those situations that you don't really know until it happens to you.......I really did see myself as a rehabilitation kinda person..... and I am of the opinion that jails do nothing only breed more criminals!!!
I think when it does happen to you.... you have the additional feelings of betrayal that someone you love and trust can go off and commit a string of horrible crimes.... which leads to upset and hatred...... therefore more likely to want a much tougher sentence than that of a stranger committing the same acts!
Does that make sense??
I think when it does happen to you.... you have the additional feelings of betrayal that someone you love and trust can go off and commit a string of horrible crimes.... which leads to upset and hatred...... therefore more likely to want a much tougher sentence than that of a stranger committing the same acts!
Does that make sense??
Blood thicker than water?
Pinky;558210 wrote: I don't mind saying that my dad was a mean SOB for a number of years, when I left his house we didn't speak for several years, hell, we hadn't spoken for several years before that.
My friends were closer to me at that time, many of them still are today.
I dunno...you can't choose your family, but true friends are woth more than anything.
Indeed!!!!
My friends were closer to me at that time, many of them still are today.
I dunno...you can't choose your family, but true friends are woth more than anything.
Indeed!!!!
Blood thicker than water?
koan;558177 wrote: Like I said: I've threatened to cut off communication with family members for much less. I don't empower bad behaviour.
I am still in opposition to the "hang 'em high" attitude.
Point taken
I am still in opposition to the "hang 'em high" attitude.
Point taken
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RedGlitter
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Blood thicker than water?
I side with blood over water.
It might depend on what he or she did. Dismembering a person and cannibalizing them? No, you're too sick for me, outta here.
Killing someone? What was the circumstance? Rape? Prove it to me first.
Of course I'd call out for the blood of whoever ELSE did these things, but if we're talking my family especially and in the case of certain friends, I may never talk to them again, but I wouldn't rat them out. Flame me if you must but I am very big on loyalty. (except for the cannibal)
It might depend on what he or she did. Dismembering a person and cannibalizing them? No, you're too sick for me, outta here.
Killing someone? What was the circumstance? Rape? Prove it to me first.
Of course I'd call out for the blood of whoever ELSE did these things, but if we're talking my family especially and in the case of certain friends, I may never talk to them again, but I wouldn't rat them out. Flame me if you must but I am very big on loyalty. (except for the cannibal)
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Indian Princess
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Blood thicker than water?
Regaurding judgement of others and situations I am not on either side of the proverbial coin but resting saftely on the middle ridge between each side.
Blood thicker than water?
Hard one as I believe blood is thicker than water, just pour yourself both and see for yourself.
If someone in my family though had abused kids or anything like that I'd have nothing more to do with them.
I haven't spoken to my cousin in years for a lot less.
If someone in my family though had abused kids or anything like that I'd have nothing more to do with them.
I haven't spoken to my cousin in years for a lot less.
Blood thicker than water?
crazygal;558658 wrote: Hard one as I believe blood is thicker than water, just pour yourself both and see for yourself.
If someone in my family though had abused kids or anything like that I'd have nothing more to do with them.
I haven't spoken to my cousin in years for a lot less.
lucky your not related to mj then ,sorry just joking had to say it though :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah:
If someone in my family though had abused kids or anything like that I'd have nothing more to do with them.
I haven't spoken to my cousin in years for a lot less.
lucky your not related to mj then ,sorry just joking had to say it though :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah:
Blood thicker than water?
I don't believe that though so would have stuck by him. I do however believe other weird things. I'd have put his dad up for trial, not him.