Jesus Family Tomb Believed Found
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News
Feb. 25, 2007 — New scientific evidence, including DNA analysis conducted at one of the world's foremost molecular genetics laboratories, as well as studies by leading scholars, suggests a 2,000-year-old Jerusalem tomb could have once held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth and his family.
The findings also suggest that Jesus and Mary Magdalene might have produced a son named Judah.
The DNA findings, alongside statistical conclusions made about the artifacts — originally excavated in 1980 — open a potentially significant chapter in Biblical archaeological history.
A documentary presenting the evidence, "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," will premiere on the Discovery Channel on March 4 at 9 p.m. ET/PT. The documentary comes from executive producer James Cameron and director Simcha Jacobovici.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
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How would you get DNA samples from God?
(said with all due respect, Marie)
(said with all due respect, Marie)
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chonsigirl;559938 wrote: How would you get DNA samples from God?
(said with all due respect, Marie)
Umm...not sure. But, I think it is a bit of hooey. Just found it interesting and worth some discussion here, if nothing else.
(said with all due respect, Marie)
Umm...not sure. But, I think it is a bit of hooey. Just found it interesting and worth some discussion here, if nothing else.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Sorry if I spoilt it, not into religious discussions, just the title made me laugh. People will say anything for attention won't they. Surely nobody would take any notice.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
i have a book on jesus's tomb....according to it , they are not even sure which tomb he was layed in.....there are supposedly two that are consdered to might have been his.....are you saying they finally figured it out? heck, for all we know, they might have just did the dna to the pizzza hut founders ancestry......
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It is interesting, Marie.
Just the concept alone is pretty far fetched.
You would have to have DNA from present decendants to trace back, and there are not any. I think Da Vinci Code has gone to his head..................
Just the concept alone is pretty far fetched.
You would have to have DNA from present decendants to trace back, and there are not any. I think Da Vinci Code has gone to his head..................
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Very interesting the documentary is timed to come out just after the release of his book:
In 1980, workers at a Jerusalem construction site accidentally uncovered a cache of bone boxes from early Christian times. When reports about the crypt discovery leaked out 16 years later, the London Sunday Times headlined the story as "The Tomb That Dare Not Speak Its Name." Now the full story will be told. In 2005, documentary filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici obtained permission to break through the apartment floor and reenter the tomb. Part archaeological detective story and part early Christian history, The Jesus Family Tomb is a narrative as riveting as any novel.
http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780 ... index.aspx
In 1980, workers at a Jerusalem construction site accidentally uncovered a cache of bone boxes from early Christian times. When reports about the crypt discovery leaked out 16 years later, the London Sunday Times headlined the story as "The Tomb That Dare Not Speak Its Name." Now the full story will be told. In 2005, documentary filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici obtained permission to break through the apartment floor and reenter the tomb. Part archaeological detective story and part early Christian history, The Jesus Family Tomb is a narrative as riveting as any novel.
http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780 ... index.aspx
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It would seem to me that in order to check on DNA evidence one has to have DNA from both Jesus and Mary of Magdela. That in itself sounds impossible.
The Da Vinci Code is of course a novel and much that Brown portrays as history is his own invention.
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The Da Vinci Code is of course a novel and much that Brown portrays as history is his own invention.
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Yes, Ted, the Da Vinci Code was just a novel. It was a pretty decent one as far as storyline and writing level went; his other books were not as good. But the thesis itself, very off the wall.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
There are going to be people who actually believe this! What crazy times we live in.
You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Hey, I just found a purple unicorn. LOL Maybe I should make a movie.
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These folks still have to find DNA they can be sure belongd to Jesus and Mary otherwise they have no comparison. If in fact they found a burial tomb it could have been anyone's family. Add to that the fact that history is not and never has been a perfect science guaranteeing absolute certainty in all cases.
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magenta flame;560015 wrote: Dna and names would be impossible to find because jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE and all birth marriage records lost.There were written birth and marriage records in first-century Jerusalem?
The thrust of the program centres around ten tomb inscriptions, six of which were Jesua son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Matthew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua. Presumably the DNA analysis would relate the remains to each other to distinguish parents, siblings and children - that seems quite within the bounds of possibility.
The thrust of the program centres around ten tomb inscriptions, six of which were Jesua son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Matthew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua. Presumably the DNA analysis would relate the remains to each other to distinguish parents, siblings and children - that seems quite within the bounds of possibility.
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I think spot is correct, there were not birth, marriage and death records in Imperial Rome. Census records, yes. But I do not know if they have any remains of them today.
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chonsigirl;560627 wrote: I think spot is correct, there were not birth, marriage and death records in Imperial Rome. Census records, yes. But I do not know if they have any remains of them today.
I'm sure they don't, the demographic information would be pored to death by now if they still existed. Besides, I suspect they were census headcounts rather than domesday lists, much less rolls carrying personal or family names.
I'm sure they don't, the demographic information would be pored to death by now if they still existed. Besides, I suspect they were census headcounts rather than domesday lists, much less rolls carrying personal or family names.
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Yes, I always assumed it was for taxation reasons.
Yes, I never thought of that point. If they existed, it would have been written about numerous times.
Yes, I never thought of that point. If they existed, it would have been written about numerous times.
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chonsigirl;560648 wrote: Yes, I always assumed it was for taxation reasons.I'm sure you're entirely right. The headcount determined how much the provincial governor had to collect, how many legionaries would be allocated locally, how many conscripts might be raised, perhaps what income the Emperor might anticipate compared to previous returns. How the Governor then raised the income and manpower was an issue for him to deal with as he saw fit. Domesday, much later, was the basis of taxation by settlement and holding, not by individual.
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Personally, I think it may be another movie stunt for James Cameron.
I agree that DNA tests could show the order of relations in that tomb, but how can they definitively prove it is Jesus?
As another poster asked, how can you get God's DNA?
I agree that DNA tests could show the order of relations in that tomb, but how can they definitively prove it is Jesus?
As another poster asked, how can you get God's DNA?
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Ciao, Bella!;560682 wrote: I agree that DNA tests could show the order of relations in that tomb, but how can they definitively prove it is Jesus?One can't, of course, but I've no reason to think that the program makers have tried to. They'll have the coincident names to narrow down the proportion of families which would have qualified, the carbon dating of the remains, possibly (just possibly) they can fit the DNA into a tribal inheritance for the Mother of God, I can't see much more that they can produce as far as evidence goes. If there's marks of crucifixion that would be a major narrowing as well. Thorn remnants might have survived.
They could do head-reconstruction from the skulls to add to the excitement.
Nobody's going to make their mind up rigidly on any basis other than faith or credulity.
They could do head-reconstruction from the skulls to add to the excitement.
Nobody's going to make their mind up rigidly on any basis other than faith or credulity.
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Marie5656;559947 wrote: Umm...not sure. But, I think it is a bit of hooey. Just found it interesting and worth some discussion here, if nothing else.
It is interesting, Marie, and I'm glad you posted it.
For those of us who think Jesus was not created divinely, it would be interesting to see what they come up with. I don't know who James Cameron is but I would watch a special like this.
It is interesting, Marie, and I'm glad you posted it.
For those of us who think Jesus was not created divinely, it would be interesting to see what they come up with. I don't know who James Cameron is but I would watch a special like this.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070226/ap_ ... 9cTHgPLBIF
By MARSHALL THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM - Archaeologists and clergymen in the Holy Land derided claims in a new documentary produced by the Oscar-winning director James Cameron that contradict major Christian tenets. "The Lost Tomb of Christ," which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries — small caskets used to store bones — discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.
One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son. And the very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.
Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.
In 1996, when the BBC aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.
"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.
The claims have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.
"The historical, religious and archaeological evidence show that the place where Christ was buried is the Church of the Resurrection," said Attallah Hana, a Greek Orthodox clergyman in Jerusalem. The documentary, he said, "contradicts the religious principles and the historic and spiritual principles that we hold tightly to."
Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.
"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."
"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 — 10 being completely possible — it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."
Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."
Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false.
"It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave," Kloner said. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time."
Archaeologists also balk at the filmmaker's claim that the James Ossuary — the center of a famous antiquities fraud in Israel— might have originated from the same cave. In 2005, Israel charged five suspects with forgery in connection with the infamous bone box.
"I don't think the James Ossuary came from the same cave," said Dan Bahat, an archaeologist at Bar-Ilan University. "If it were found there, the man who made the forgery would have taken something better. He would have taken Jesus."
Although the documentary makers claim to have found the tomb of Jesus, the British Broadcasting Corporation beat them to the punch by 11 years.
Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, declined to comment before the documentary was aired."
Kloner's statement of making money off of this rings true for me.
By MARSHALL THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM - Archaeologists and clergymen in the Holy Land derided claims in a new documentary produced by the Oscar-winning director James Cameron that contradict major Christian tenets. "The Lost Tomb of Christ," which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries — small caskets used to store bones — discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.
One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son. And the very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.
Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.
In 1996, when the BBC aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.
"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.
The claims have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.
"The historical, religious and archaeological evidence show that the place where Christ was buried is the Church of the Resurrection," said Attallah Hana, a Greek Orthodox clergyman in Jerusalem. The documentary, he said, "contradicts the religious principles and the historic and spiritual principles that we hold tightly to."
Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.
"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."
"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 — 10 being completely possible — it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."
Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."
Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false.
"It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave," Kloner said. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time."
Archaeologists also balk at the filmmaker's claim that the James Ossuary — the center of a famous antiquities fraud in Israel— might have originated from the same cave. In 2005, Israel charged five suspects with forgery in connection with the infamous bone box.
"I don't think the James Ossuary came from the same cave," said Dan Bahat, an archaeologist at Bar-Ilan University. "If it were found there, the man who made the forgery would have taken something better. He would have taken Jesus."
Although the documentary makers claim to have found the tomb of Jesus, the British Broadcasting Corporation beat them to the punch by 11 years.
Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, declined to comment before the documentary was aired."
Kloner's statement of making money off of this rings true for me.
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Actually if it were the ossuary of one we call Jesus it would not be in any way credible. The name Jesus is a Greek word for the Hebrew Yeshua which comes from an aramaic word that I am not familiar with. In all likelihood such an ossuary would have been inscribed by the language of the day with was generally aramaic or Hebrew.
Since I have not seen either the ossuary or a valid group of peer reviews I'll just ignore it.
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Since I have not seen either the ossuary or a valid group of peer reviews I'll just ignore it.
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As far as DNA goes they could in fact all be related but that does not prove that it was the Jesus of the Bible. That would be difficult to prove I think.
History as has been pointed out is basically a science of probabilities. Until otherwise proven I would say this is on the lowest end of the scale if not a zero.
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History as has been pointed out is basically a science of probabilities. Until otherwise proven I would say this is on the lowest end of the scale if not a zero.
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Ted;560969 wrote: Actually if it were the ossuary of one we call Jesus it would not be in any way credible. The name Jesus is a Greek word for the Hebrew Yeshua which comes from an aramaic word that I am not familiar with. In all likelihood such an ossuary would have been inscribed by the language of the day with was generally aramaic or Hebrew.
Since I have not seen either the ossuary or a valid group of peer reviews I'll just ignore it.
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As regards the language of the inscriptions, the Daily Telegraph covered the story on Saturday, saying "Mr Gat found 10 ossuaries bearing inscriptions. Some were in ancient Greek and some were in Hebrew".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... esus24.xml
Since I have not seen either the ossuary or a valid group of peer reviews I'll just ignore it.
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As regards the language of the inscriptions, the Daily Telegraph covered the story on Saturday, saying "Mr Gat found 10 ossuaries bearing inscriptions. Some were in ancient Greek and some were in Hebrew".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... esus24.xml
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Ok, but what about that family that is truly supposed to be part of Jesus' geneology? Couldn't they do DNA testing from them? And Jesus didn't stay dead, he rose again!
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What's their name, Sweet Tooth?
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spot;561014 wrote: What's their name, Sweet Tooth?
Good Question- my parents told me about it once- hold on while I call my mom
Good Question- my parents told me about it once- hold on while I call my mom
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Sweet Tooth;561016 wrote: Good Question- my parents told me about it once- hold on while I call my mom
Just pray it's not you.
Just pray it's not you.
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spot;561017 wrote: Just pray it's not you.
BELIEVE ME! I WAS PRAYING!! LOL Nah, she said that they saw a documentary on the History Channel on TV- I dont know- something to get the pot stirring!
BELIEVE ME! I WAS PRAYING!! LOL Nah, she said that they saw a documentary on the History Channel on TV- I dont know- something to get the pot stirring!
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Sweet Tooth;561007 wrote: Ok, but what about that family that is truly supposed to be part of Jesus' geneology? Couldn't they do DNA testing from them? And Jesus didn't stay dead, he rose again!
I just can't buy into this. I firmly believe Christ was created, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again. Every Sunday service in the Lutheran church, we affirm this belief by reciting either the Apostle's Creed, or the Nicene Creed.
I just can't buy into this. I firmly believe Christ was created, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again. Every Sunday service in the Lutheran church, we affirm this belief by reciting either the Apostle's Creed, or the Nicene Creed.
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Ciao, Bella!;561056 wrote: I just can't buy into this. I firmly believe Christ was created, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again. Every Sunday service in the Lutheran church, we affirm this belief by reciting either the Apostle's Creed, or the Nicene Creed.
Oh, dont get me wrong- we say that at my church too- its the family that came from Mary that I was talking about- I'm Presbyterian!
Oh, dont get me wrong- we say that at my church too- its the family that came from Mary that I was talking about- I'm Presbyterian!
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Does it matter?
Those who are committed Christians won't believe it because it's not in their Bible.
Those of us who are Heathens - or Pagans, Jews, Mohammedan or whatever, won't give a damn either way, nor will the other unbeleivers in whatever imaginary friend you prey to.
What has not been addressed , by either the Christians or the tomb finders is that when the Romans crucified some poor bastard, he (or she) was on that cross until the skeleton fell apart. There was no provision in Roman law for the removal of a crucified person from the cross and, with the Romans ruling in Jerusalem, what the Romans said went.
So, asw I said, does it matter?
Those who are committed Christians won't believe it because it's not in their Bible.
Those of us who are Heathens - or Pagans, Jews, Mohammedan or whatever, won't give a damn either way, nor will the other unbeleivers in whatever imaginary friend you prey to.
What has not been addressed , by either the Christians or the tomb finders is that when the Romans crucified some poor bastard, he (or she) was on that cross until the skeleton fell apart. There was no provision in Roman law for the removal of a crucified person from the cross and, with the Romans ruling in Jerusalem, what the Romans said went.
So, asw I said, does it matter?
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Chookie;561111 wrote: Does it matter?
Those who are committed Christians won't believe it because it's not in their Bible.
Those of us who are Heathens - or Pagans, Jews, Mohammedan or whatever, won't give a damn either way, nor will the other unbeleivers in whatever imaginary friend you prey to.
What has not been addressed , by either the Christians or the tomb finders is that when the Romans crucified some poor bastard, he (or she) was on that cross until the skeleton fell apart. There was no provision in Roman law for the removal of a crucified person from the cross and, with the Romans ruling in Jerusalem, what the Romans said went.
So, asw I said, does it matter?
Ok, well at least from a Christians point of view, the Bible clearly tells us that he came off the cross as a body - Matthew27:50-60
Those who are committed Christians won't believe it because it's not in their Bible.
Those of us who are Heathens - or Pagans, Jews, Mohammedan or whatever, won't give a damn either way, nor will the other unbeleivers in whatever imaginary friend you prey to.
What has not been addressed , by either the Christians or the tomb finders is that when the Romans crucified some poor bastard, he (or she) was on that cross until the skeleton fell apart. There was no provision in Roman law for the removal of a crucified person from the cross and, with the Romans ruling in Jerusalem, what the Romans said went.
So, asw I said, does it matter?
Ok, well at least from a Christians point of view, the Bible clearly tells us that he came off the cross as a body - Matthew27:50-60
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According to historical research (Crossan and others) there were usually two ways of dealing with the crucified body: leave it there to rot or be eaten by wild animals, or take it down and bury it in a mass grave. The one crucified skeletal remains found also indicate as scholars believe that in certain circumstances the body was given to someone for proper burial. Usually it was someone who was important.
So it would be possible to find a tomb with the skeletal remains of Jesus; highly unlikely but possible.
As to the resurrection the fact is we know almost nothing beyond his death except for some very profound event that happened on Easter Sunday. Whatever it was was powerful enough to turn a group of people who feared for their very lives into very open and vociferous supporters of Jesus of Nazareth. The important thing in Christianity is not the physical resurrection. The important thing is the fact that in some profound way his followers came to believe that he was indeed still with them in some very powerful way.
Million have had the experiential reality of the Risen Lord down through the millennia in millions of people alive today.
Shalom
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So it would be possible to find a tomb with the skeletal remains of Jesus; highly unlikely but possible.
As to the resurrection the fact is we know almost nothing beyond his death except for some very profound event that happened on Easter Sunday. Whatever it was was powerful enough to turn a group of people who feared for their very lives into very open and vociferous supporters of Jesus of Nazareth. The important thing in Christianity is not the physical resurrection. The important thing is the fact that in some profound way his followers came to believe that he was indeed still with them in some very powerful way.
Million have had the experiential reality of the Risen Lord down through the millennia in millions of people alive today.
Shalom
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You are correct in your points about Roman records. They were known to keep them meticulously. Many of those records are still held in museums.
Your point about the body being taken down is in all likelihood the way it was. The Romans ruled but did their best not to antagonize the Jewish folks too much because they feared an open revolt which did happen anyway in 66 and resulting in the destruction of the temple in 70.
Shalom
Ted:-6
You are correct in your points about Roman records. They were known to keep them meticulously. Many of those records are still held in museums.
Your point about the body being taken down is in all likelihood the way it was. The Romans ruled but did their best not to antagonize the Jewish folks too much because they feared an open revolt which did happen anyway in 66 and resulting in the destruction of the temple in 70.
Shalom
Ted:-6
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Ted;561237 wrote: The Romans ruled] but did their best not to antagonize the Jewish folks too much because they feared an open revolt which did happen anyway in 66 and resulting in the destruction of the temple in 70.
They did a fair bit of antagonising in the province of Britannia - and there were a helluva lot more Britons than Jews.
They did a fair bit of antagonising in the province of Britannia - and there were a helluva lot more Britons than Jews.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Cookie:-6
That may be so but I was only speaking about the Roman desire to keep the middle east as calm as possible under the circumstances. There were a few reasons Jesus was crucified: theological as per the Romans and political as per the chief priests and the Romans.
Shalom
Ted:-6
That may be so but I was only speaking about the Roman desire to keep the middle east as calm as possible under the circumstances. There were a few reasons Jesus was crucified: theological as per the Romans and political as per the chief priests and the Romans.
Shalom
Ted:-6
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
I was watching a report on CNN this afternoon, and many experts, including the archeologists who found the crypt do not feel these are the remaind of Jesus or any of his ancestors OR decendants.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Marie:-6
But it makes a nice juicy story to write and put into a movie. Look at all those $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Shalom
Ted:-6
But it makes a nice juicy story to write and put into a movie. Look at all those $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Shalom
Ted:-6
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Yes, Ted, I agree. Glad to see you joined the conversation, was hoping you would find this thread.
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James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
It was brought up as a topic at school today by a teacher during lunch. I just told her to check the special date and book publication date, very close together and take it from there.
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
What has always amused me, as a heathen, is that according to Christian doctrine, Jesus died on the cross, was cut down (irrespective of Roman law on the matter), entombed, and rose again on the third day (Easter Sunday). If this is the case, how come an event which could only have happened on one specific date - choose your own crucifixion or rising again, can, in the Christian mythology occur anytime between late February and mid-April?
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
James Cameron claims to have found Christ's family tomb.
Cookie:-6
I've already addressed the issue of the bodies of the crucified. This is supported by such scholars as D. Crossan recognized as the world's premier Jesus scholar and M. Borg who is in the same league. Crossan is also an expert in the history of the Roman Empire.
Part of the problem with the date is that a different calendar was used. It also has to do with the position and phase of the moon. Thus as with the Christmas story a date is arbitrarily fixed in relation to the above points. The actual details escape me at the moment.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I've already addressed the issue of the bodies of the crucified. This is supported by such scholars as D. Crossan recognized as the world's premier Jesus scholar and M. Borg who is in the same league. Crossan is also an expert in the history of the Roman Empire.
Part of the problem with the date is that a different calendar was used. It also has to do with the position and phase of the moon. Thus as with the Christmas story a date is arbitrarily fixed in relation to the above points. The actual details escape me at the moment.
Shalom
Ted:-6