this is just ridiculous. cat stevens, denied entry to the US, and being deported for being on one of the 'watch' lists.
i can only assume it's because he's muslim, and has criticized the war in iraq.
of course, that doesn't make him a terrorist. but it does make him an undesireable to the government. and not being a US citizen, our country has no obligation to extend to him the basic rights we hold dear.
but still. this stinks. the guy's a pacifist for crying out loud.
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Hello Gents,
Would you change your opinion if you found out that this "pacifist" actually did donate money to Hamas?
Would you change your opinion if you found out that this "pacifist" actually did donate money to Hamas?
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the government is alleging that charities that he has contributed to may have funnelled funds to hamas and other terrorist organizations.
that doesn't make him personally or directly culpable, and from the way they are carefully phrasing it - "may have" - it sounds like a fishing expedition for reasons to keep him out.
thus far, i'm not impressed. if actual evidence is uncovered that he knowingly aided hamas, then certainly it will change my opinion. until then, it's just the government blowing so much smoke out their asses.
that doesn't make him personally or directly culpable, and from the way they are carefully phrasing it - "may have" - it sounds like a fishing expedition for reasons to keep him out.
thus far, i'm not impressed. if actual evidence is uncovered that he knowingly aided hamas, then certainly it will change my opinion. until then, it's just the government blowing so much smoke out their asses.
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Would you change your opinion if you found out that this "pacifist" actually did donate money to Hamas?
If you want to follow that logic then in that case th UK should ban all americans who contributed to us based charities funneling money to the IRA. For years the american government refused to do anything to stop the flow of weapons and money to them many americans refuse to acknowledge the connection as most of them in fairness didn't think they were supporting terrorists but freedom fighters. It seems there are good terrorists and bad terrorists.
http://www.noraid.com/
You must admit it does show a lack of common sense.
If you want to follow that logic then in that case th UK should ban all americans who contributed to us based charities funneling money to the IRA. For years the american government refused to do anything to stop the flow of weapons and money to them many americans refuse to acknowledge the connection as most of them in fairness didn't think they were supporting terrorists but freedom fighters. It seems there are good terrorists and bad terrorists.
http://www.noraid.com/
You must admit it does show a lack of common sense.
cat stevens, terrorist
Please don't shoot the messenger.
Cat Stevens Gives Support To Call for Death of Rushdie
New York Times May 23, 1989
By CRAIG R. WHITNEY
LONDON, May 22 -- The musician known as Cat Stevens said in
a British television program to be broadcast next week that
rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the
author Salman Rushdie, ''I would have hoped that it'd be the
real thing.''
The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he
converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel
discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini's call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly
blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ''The Satanic
Verses.'' He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his
doorstep looking for help, ''I might ring somebody who might
do more damage to him than he would like.''
''I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him
exactly where this man is,'' said Mr. Islam, who watched a
preview of the program today and said in an interview that
he stood by his comments.
The statements by Mr. Islam and several other participants
in the discussion demonstrate how divided British liberal
intellectuals remain over the affair. British writers and
publishers have signed petitions backing Mr. Rushdie's
freedom to write what he wishes, but there have been no
public readings of his works. 'Not a Pacifist Religion'
Several of the participants defended Mr. Rushdie. The writer
Fay Weldon, for example, said, ''Burn the book today, kill
the writer tomorrow.'' She said she was offended by Mr.
Islam's remarks, which she said incited people to violence.
Also on the show was Dr. Kalim Siddiqui, director of the
Muslim Institute in London and one of the organizers of a
nationwide demonstration against ''Satanic Verses'' that is
scheduled for Hyde Park on Saturday. He said: ''I wouldn't
kill him, but I'm sure that there are very many people in
this country prepared at the moment. If they could lay their
hands on Rushdie, he would be dead.
''As a British citizen, I have a duty, if you like, a social
contract with the British state, not to break British law.
We are not a pacifist religion. We don't turn the other
cheek. We hit back.''
A British bookseller, Tim Waterstone, chairman of the chain
bearing his name, said that intimidation by opponents of the
book ''at the end of the day probably will work.''
''I don't want to see my staff in peril of their life and
health,'' he said, ''and I don't want to see my customers in
peril.''
And the Bishop of Manchester in the Church of England, the
Rev. Stanley Booth-Clibborn, said the British blasphemy law
is indefensible because it protects only the established
Christian church. Other clerics have suggested that the law
be extended to other faiths so Muslim objectors could stop
offensive books through court order. Government Defenders
In the end, Mr. Rushdie's most stalwart protectors have been
those he often said he most dislikes - Prime Minister
Margaret Thatcher's Government, which has given him police
protection at a secret location since the Ayatollah's death
threat last February. Iran broke diplomatic relations over
the affair, and though Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe
expressed distaste for the book, he defended Mr. Rushdie's
right under British law and custom to write it.
Muslims in Britain have been divided by the affair. They
demonstrated against the book in several cities late last
year, but they say British news organizations began paying
attention to their objections only after the book was
publicly burned. Dr. Siddiqui said book-burning was not on
the program for Saturday's demonstration.
He and other Muslims who participated in the 53-minute
courtroom-style program, ''A Satanic Scenario,'' to be
broadcast on Britain's Independent Television Network next
Tuesday night, objected to cuts in the three-hour taping
session, held April 15, that omitted the Muslim
justification for punishment of blasphemy.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-
cat.html
Cat Stevens Gives Support To Call for Death of Rushdie
New York Times May 23, 1989
By CRAIG R. WHITNEY
LONDON, May 22 -- The musician known as Cat Stevens said in
a British television program to be broadcast next week that
rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the
author Salman Rushdie, ''I would have hoped that it'd be the
real thing.''
The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he
converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel
discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini's call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly
blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ''The Satanic
Verses.'' He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his
doorstep looking for help, ''I might ring somebody who might
do more damage to him than he would like.''
''I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him
exactly where this man is,'' said Mr. Islam, who watched a
preview of the program today and said in an interview that
he stood by his comments.
The statements by Mr. Islam and several other participants
in the discussion demonstrate how divided British liberal
intellectuals remain over the affair. British writers and
publishers have signed petitions backing Mr. Rushdie's
freedom to write what he wishes, but there have been no
public readings of his works. 'Not a Pacifist Religion'
Several of the participants defended Mr. Rushdie. The writer
Fay Weldon, for example, said, ''Burn the book today, kill
the writer tomorrow.'' She said she was offended by Mr.
Islam's remarks, which she said incited people to violence.
Also on the show was Dr. Kalim Siddiqui, director of the
Muslim Institute in London and one of the organizers of a
nationwide demonstration against ''Satanic Verses'' that is
scheduled for Hyde Park on Saturday. He said: ''I wouldn't
kill him, but I'm sure that there are very many people in
this country prepared at the moment. If they could lay their
hands on Rushdie, he would be dead.
''As a British citizen, I have a duty, if you like, a social
contract with the British state, not to break British law.
We are not a pacifist religion. We don't turn the other
cheek. We hit back.''
A British bookseller, Tim Waterstone, chairman of the chain
bearing his name, said that intimidation by opponents of the
book ''at the end of the day probably will work.''
''I don't want to see my staff in peril of their life and
health,'' he said, ''and I don't want to see my customers in
peril.''
And the Bishop of Manchester in the Church of England, the
Rev. Stanley Booth-Clibborn, said the British blasphemy law
is indefensible because it protects only the established
Christian church. Other clerics have suggested that the law
be extended to other faiths so Muslim objectors could stop
offensive books through court order. Government Defenders
In the end, Mr. Rushdie's most stalwart protectors have been
those he often said he most dislikes - Prime Minister
Margaret Thatcher's Government, which has given him police
protection at a secret location since the Ayatollah's death
threat last February. Iran broke diplomatic relations over
the affair, and though Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe
expressed distaste for the book, he defended Mr. Rushdie's
right under British law and custom to write it.
Muslims in Britain have been divided by the affair. They
demonstrated against the book in several cities late last
year, but they say British news organizations began paying
attention to their objections only after the book was
publicly burned. Dr. Siddiqui said book-burning was not on
the program for Saturday's demonstration.
He and other Muslims who participated in the 53-minute
courtroom-style program, ''A Satanic Scenario,'' to be
broadcast on Britain's Independent Television Network next
Tuesday night, objected to cuts in the three-hour taping
session, held April 15, that omitted the Muslim
justification for punishment of blasphemy.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-
cat.html
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for mr. stevens's response:
from shortly after the 'incident' in 1989:
http://catstevens.com/articles/00013/index.html
and a more recent (2003) statement on it:
http://catstevens.com/articles/00236/index.html
however, methinks he doth protest too much. it has the hollow ring of footsteps backtracking madly.
i'd like to see the actual unedited video or transcript, frankly.
from shortly after the 'incident' in 1989:
http://catstevens.com/articles/00013/index.html
and a more recent (2003) statement on it:
http://catstevens.com/articles/00236/index.html
however, methinks he doth protest too much. it has the hollow ring of footsteps backtracking madly.
i'd like to see the actual unedited video or transcript, frankly.
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cat stevens, terrorist
Poor Cat, what a brillant, intelligent sweet man, his treatment upon arrival in Maine is a result of terrorism experiences here, its a reminder of what happened, how did we know what his intentions were? Yusuff Islam now, spreading peace? what the hell happened in his mind? He fits in the Muslim religion perfectly, he is kind, interesting to me, but i don't compeletly get it? i have his CD. :-3
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cat stevens, terrorist
One of the reasons for not debating extending the blasphemy laws further is it would rapidly become let's do away with them altogether. Irreverence is part of our culture that is worth preserving.
cat stevens, terrorist
I am not an expert in religion, in this day and age anything is possible, mentally-Cat Stevens could have burned too much in his earlier years? who cares, i feel he did nothing wrong coming here to begin with, because of his religious ideas, idendity changes, he was taken in for questioning. I don;t think he sees himself as a supreme being, by becoming Muslim? :-6
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sarasara wrote: But these so-called 'peace activists' are not peaceful at all and as with the 'anti war coalition' you soon find that they support terrorists and insurgents.
Just as these 'human-rights' activists are not interested in abuses by Dictators, opressors, insurgents and terrorists but only in anything that they can find to throw against the US or UK.
Here is the home page for Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch:
http://www.amnesty.org
http://www.humanrightswatch.org
Maybe you should read the sites. Human rights organizations are intentionally apolitical.
Anti-war does not mean pro-terrorist.
Peace activists have often been jailed for years for their views, and even knowing the risks, they object anyway.
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with these things before you begin making outrageous claims. For a person who's continually posting about the racism of others, you are very quick to stereotype huge numbers of people. They are all hypocrites because you disagree with them? That may be convenient for you, but it doesn't make it true. JMO.
Just as these 'human-rights' activists are not interested in abuses by Dictators, opressors, insurgents and terrorists but only in anything that they can find to throw against the US or UK.
Here is the home page for Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch:
http://www.amnesty.org
http://www.humanrightswatch.org
Maybe you should read the sites. Human rights organizations are intentionally apolitical.
Anti-war does not mean pro-terrorist.
Peace activists have often been jailed for years for their views, and even knowing the risks, they object anyway.
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with these things before you begin making outrageous claims. For a person who's continually posting about the racism of others, you are very quick to stereotype huge numbers of people. They are all hypocrites because you disagree with them? That may be convenient for you, but it doesn't make it true. JMO.
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Sarasara, you attribute only negative goals, thoughts, and actions to anyone who doesn't see things as you do. In truth, I feel bad for you because you seem caught in a world of anger and hatred.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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cat stevens, terrorist
I will always like Cat Stevens, he is not a terrorist in the least. We are wasting time discussing these claims against him, he is the best!
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sarasara, it's awfully sweet of you to get so concerned about US politics that you'd even choose our next president 4 years in advance - and you are a UK citizen, you've said?
But if this is your brand of politics - hate, war, boogeymen everywhere, I'd just as soon you keep it in the UK.
But if this is your brand of politics - hate, war, boogeymen everywhere, I'd just as soon you keep it in the UK.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
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cat stevens, terrorist
posted by a karenina
and you are a UK citizen, you've said?
But if this is your brand of politics - hate, war, boogeymen everywhere, I'd just as soon you keep it in the UK.
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No it's not, no offence but he comes across more like an american, certainly he has no sense of patriotism about the British or I suspect any real knowledge about british history or he wouldn't come out with that crap about moral cowardice or how the US saved us in ww2 which comment is guaranteed to start an arguement in every pub in britain. we saved ourselves thank you very much, though you did help a lot later. Nor would he be content playing second fiddle in a war with america however understandable that situation might be.
He comes across a bit like a member of the British national front but they are at least british in their stupidity and extremely unlikely to support condoleeza rice (BNP are the british nazi party). The only reason we are interested in who is president of the US is because of the potential effect he or she might have on us. US internal politics and issues mean very little and some of them are incomprehensible. That's incidentally why I like this forum it's a valuable insight
I don't know what nationality or even what planet he is from. Even our most right wing mainstream party would, I suspect, be classed as left wing in america
and you are a UK citizen, you've said?
But if this is your brand of politics - hate, war, boogeymen everywhere, I'd just as soon you keep it in the UK.
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No it's not, no offence but he comes across more like an american, certainly he has no sense of patriotism about the British or I suspect any real knowledge about british history or he wouldn't come out with that crap about moral cowardice or how the US saved us in ww2 which comment is guaranteed to start an arguement in every pub in britain. we saved ourselves thank you very much, though you did help a lot later. Nor would he be content playing second fiddle in a war with america however understandable that situation might be.
He comes across a bit like a member of the British national front but they are at least british in their stupidity and extremely unlikely to support condoleeza rice (BNP are the british nazi party). The only reason we are interested in who is president of the US is because of the potential effect he or she might have on us. US internal politics and issues mean very little and some of them are incomprehensible. That's incidentally why I like this forum it's a valuable insight
I don't know what nationality or even what planet he is from. Even our most right wing mainstream party would, I suspect, be classed as left wing in america
cat stevens, terrorist
I would identify Cat Stevens as a Marijuana Plant. He is high on life and into weird things? Good singer though, haven't heard anything bad about him since? He did burn at one time, his music reflets that?
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i like his song, "hard headed woman" ever hear that one? 
i love him, i think hes a good guy, really.
i love him, i think hes a good guy, really. Everyone has these on their face? TULIPS.
cat stevens, terrorist
How about PEACE TRAIN, you like that one, i though you did? Climb on the peace train....
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cat stevens, terrorist
How about THe Very Best of Cat Stevens....anyone? Well i love him forever and ever...amen...thank you. 
Everyone has these on their face? TULIPS.
cat stevens, terrorist
I just seen his CD this morning putting stuff away. I Like PEACE TRAIN, isn't that a good tune?, i thought you'd agree to that one too. Climb on the peace train..
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Paula I am with you on his music being great. George Bush lied to us about the wepons of mass distruction. So bush is a terrorist as well. Perhaps he is a good terrorist?
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
We the USA helped build up Sadam in the fist place. Certainly the USA is very likely more responsible for terriorism then Cat if your going to hold donations against him.
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
We the USA helped build up Sadam in the fist place. Certainly the USA is very likely more responsible for terriorism then Cat if your going to hold donations against him.
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