Your vision of Utopia?

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:49 pm

We live in an imperfect world. So, what would you change? What would make this world a paradise?

You can respond in terms of policy, modify this government, make your own, or go completely fantastic and imagine things like telepathy. All is welcome.

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:51 pm

I would start with a minimum of a 4 day weekend.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:52 pm

hotsauce wrote: We live in an imperfect world. So, what would you change? What would make this world a paradise?

You can respond in terms of policy, modify this government, make your own, or go completely fantastic and imagine things like telepathy. All is welcome.The entire world ruled by a Peoples' Marxist-Leninist government for eternity.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:28 pm

Hmmm....I would start with unlimited funds so I could stay home with my kids full time. I would put a nurturing hormone in all people who did not want to raise their kids right or wanted to hurt kids.

I would put a motiviation gland in all the people who were not motivated to make themselves better.

I would find a cure for cancer and all the other deathly diseases out there.

Implant a "I just want to get along with everyone" sign in all the brains of all the goverment heads and officials in the entire world. (and to include the general public if needed)

I would develope programs that predicted natural diseasters so everyone got warnings.

This would be a start of a perfect world to me.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:32 pm

hotsauce wrote: I would start with a minimum of a 4 day weekend.so --you want to be a government employee?

............it's not utopian, but a desire, i would like to be invisable whenever i felt like it.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:34 pm

TW2005 wrote: Nothing but warm weather, 200 different golf courses, unlimited supply of alcohol, beautiful women that dont speak, and a few of my guy friends so I wont get bored golfing by myself.Why how FORWARD thinking you are TW. If only MORE Americans could be as shallow and sexist! :yh_wave

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:38 pm

TW2005 wrote: I believe the question was:

What is MY utopia. So, thats what mine is.I bet you were homeschooled.:yh_silly

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:21 pm

David813 wrote: The entire world ruled by a Peoples' Marxist-Leninist government for eternity.
Hmm!! And how would this form of government make for a better world, and for those that already feel they live in Utopia, how would they be affected?

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:32 pm

Lon wrote: Hmm!! And how would this form of government make for a better world, and for those that already feel they live in Utopia, how would they be affected?A world whose billions of dollars go for human needs instead of corporate welfare, war and the police state. A world dedicated to bringing up the standard of living in all nations to Western levels. The money is there to accomplish this. Those who feel they are already experiencing Utopia would be disenfranchised and their stolen wealth spun into the Human Needs funnel. Those that resist would be re-educated out of the world of blood-money and greed and into the new world of Peoples' Power, Revolution and Freethought for life.

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:42 pm

i hate to be the bad guy but...

I would reduce the world population by 1/3. One third of every country. Yep, 2 billion people. Reduce the stress on the planet's resources. Then i would require all those who wanted to have children to go through a rigorous application process. Screen out all those who want to (or already have) marry their cousins. This applies to the entire planet. Not just the red-necks in my family tree.

I like the idea of a 4 day weekend.

All college tuition is TAX deductable! Then i would figure out how to make the Iowa Hawkeyes and Nebraska Huskers play for the football national championship 6 times a decade til i die.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:44 pm

Lon, In New Zealand we are the Communist League. Check out www.communistleaguenz.com or www.themilitant.com to find our international Party Listing. There are people that aren't Republican or Democrat in the world, believe it or not!

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:46 pm

Wolverine wrote: i hate to be the bad guy but...

I would reduce the world population by 1/3. One third of every country. Yep, 2 billion people. Reduce the stress on the planet's resources. Then i would require all those who wanted to have children to go through a rigorous application process. Screen out all those who want to (or already have) marry their cousins. This applies to the entire planet. Not just the red-necks in my family tree.

I like the idea of a 4 day weekend.

All college tuition is TAX deductable! Then i would figure out how to make the Iowa Hawkeyes and Nebraska Huskers play for the football national championship 6 times a decade til i die.I DO appreciate your thoughts there Wolverine. I would be certain Christian conservatives, racists, and all religious extremists be the 'Purged Grouping.'

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:47 pm

David813 wrote: A world whose billions of dollars go for human needs instead of corporate welfare, war and the police state. A world dedicated to bringing up the standard of living in all nations to Western levels. The money is there to accomplish this. Those who feel they are already experiencing Utopia would be disenfranchised and their stolen wealth spun into the Human Needs funnel. Those that resist would be re-educated out of the world of blood-money and greed and into the new world of Peoples' Power, Revolution and Freethought for life.
man you are a revolutionary ain't ya? How is re-educating someone giving them freedom of thought for life?

Besides, gaining massive wealth is so you can have everything you ever wanted is as American as apple pie, baseball, and hot-rods.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:01 pm

Wolverine wrote: man you are a revolutionary ain't ya? How is re-educating someone giving them freedom of thought for life?

Besides, gaining massive wealth is so you can have everything you ever wanted is as American as apple pie, baseball, and hot-rods.And here I supported your genocidal plan and you assault my leftist perspective. Since I am a slow typer check us out at www.themilitant.com. Wealth should be managed by the Peoples' Government. No One should have enough to exploit his fellow worker. Re-education is a last resort. Adapting to communist principles is required.

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:21 pm

On paper Dave, communism works. but only on paper. the idea that Marx came up with wsa good. Unfortunately Genocidal, homocidal retards like Stalin, KimDongIl, Kruschev,Mao Ze Tung, corrupted it. And unfortunately Marx's ideas will always be corrupted, because it is in Man's nature: More, more, more.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:28 pm

David813 wrote: A world whose billions of dollars go for human needs instead of corporate welfare, war and the police state. A world dedicated to bringing up the standard of living in all nations to Western levels. The money is there to accomplish this. Those who feel they are already experiencing Utopia would be disenfranchised and their stolen wealth spun into the Human Needs funnel. Those that resist would be re-educated out of the world of blood-money and greed and into the new world of Peoples' Power, Revolution and Freethought for life. I feel I am experiencing utopia. My needs are being met. So, I'm to be disenfranchised and what wealth I have would be spun into the Human Needs funnel?

War on the police state? With what? A different police state or PEOPLE'S ARMY?

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:32 pm

Wolverine wrote: On paper Dave, communism works. but only on paper. the idea that Marx came up with wsa good. Unfortunately Genocidal, homocidal retards like Stalin, KimDongIl, Kruschev,Mao Ze Tung, corrupted it. And unfortunately Marx's ideas will always be corrupted, because it is in Man's nature: More, more, more.Time for me to clock out. But you think capitalism is the only system that works? Stalin killed all the Bolsheviks! He wasn't a Marxist. Capitalism brings out the most base animal in Man. Till Tuesday!

David813 · Post by **David813** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:33 pm

Lon wrote: I feel I am experiencing utopia. My needs are being met. So, I'm to be dienfranchised and what wealth I have would be spun into the Human Needs funnel?

War on the police state? With what? A different police state or PEOPLE'S ARMY?You Lon would be spared, after re-education camp. Vote Communist League!

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:48 pm

David813 wrote: Time for me to clock out. But you think capitalism is the only system that works? Stalin killed all the Bolsheviks! He wasn't a Marxist. Capitalism brings out the most base animal in Man. Till Tuesday!

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs sounds wonderful. Who determines what I need?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:51 pm

David813 wrote: A world whose billions of dollars go for human needs instead of corporate welfare, war and the police state. A world dedicated to bringing up the standard of living in all nations to Western levels. The money is there to accomplish this. Those who feel they are already experiencing Utopia would be disenfranchised and their stolen wealth spun into the Human Needs funnel. Those that resist would be re-educated out of the world of blood-money and greed and into the new world of Peoples' Power, Revolution and Freethought for life.
"A world whose billions of dollars go for human needs instead of corporate welfare, war and the police state."

And just what created those billions of dollars? The workers????

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:21 am

When you stand in line...they give you a chocolate chip cookie with a number on it...instead of that little piece of paper. That would make standing in line some much more fun!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:07 am

My utopia:

There would be no pointless sniping. :yh_rotfl

Seriously though:

1: There would be a very difficult test you were required to pass before becoming a parent.

2: Money did not exist.

3: I could fly.

4: There was no need for government.

5: Pot was legal.

6: Clothes were optional. (Well, for some, anyway.)

7: People did not hate me for my opinions.

I'm sure I have more, and when I think of them, I'll be back.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:22 am

For a Utopia to be created, it must be based in reality.

1. Get rid of all national governments, and replace them with a centralized base of co-functioning Series Supercomputers, Give them autonomous decision-making ability, input all world resources and problems, rely on them for allocation. If there is a drought in Uganda, and a surplus of wheat in Russia, then the computers would ship the wheat to the famine.

If any country declares war, the Supercomputers could mobilize the resources of the entire planet to crush the rebellion...but that would be a last resort, to be used only if the "treatments" don't work. (See below)

2. Get rid of all national boundries, replace it with "The Family" in reference to all mankind. For example, "The Family's colonies on the moon have been very productive this year."

3. Genetically shape all of mankind to a common look. Preferably, a slightly Chinese-eyed, medium build, tan skin colored race. No more racism.

4. Test children for abilites constanty during growth, let the Supercomputer, let's call it "Unicomp" or "Uni" for short would decide the best use of their talents for the betterment of the Family and assign them to their specialties at adulthood. No more unempolyment.

5. Give each human being "treatments" once a month through an infusion disc placed on the arm. This infusion disc would pass chemicals directly through the skin. Included would be a birth control chemical, an exfolient to get rid of the need for shaving, and assorted neurological chemicals to keep the people "happy and satisfied" and control excess, irrational emotion.

6. Put a bracelet on each persons arm. To go anywhere, you must touch the bracelet to a scanner, and reiceve permission from the computer first. This prevents uneccessary waste of resources and energy. You could claim a vacation occasionally, but only if the computer could allocate the resources and could spare you from your job. All efforts would be directed towards the common goal.

7. As a back-up system, counselors with protable laptops would oversee all members of the family regularly to look for aberrant behavior. Children would be taught to immediately contact one of these counselors if they saw any unusual behavior.

8. All competitive sports will be removed, since competition itself would have to be removed. Why compete, when you are assigned everything you need for life? Instead, mandatory group exercises will be required for the entire population every morning.

9. Since old age is a drain on resources, and the investment of resources and materials in their existance no longer is less than the returns, then they must be eliminated. The average age of life should be terminated at around 72. The computer will determine the age of death, and it could increase as medicine gets better.

So there you have it...everything you are asking for. No worrries, permanent employment, no corporations, no racism, no war, no strife, no nationalism, no corruption. Nothing but the shining Family working towards mankind's future in the stars.

Like it?

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:43 am

Wow! :yh_clap I think you are a much better problem solver than I...with my little cookie in line idea. I like them all except for the competition. Competition is fun. I am still picking up Monopoly pieces from my last game with hub...he launched the board in the air because I was beating him so badly. :sneaky:

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:12 am

Hotsauce! I was being sarcastic...no one in their right mind would want a world like that!!! :rolleyes:

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:09 pm

Jives wrote: Hotsauce! I was being sarcastic...no one in their right mind would want a world like that!!! :rolleyes:
jives...you...sarcastic. never! although...i did like a couple...is that so bad? i'll take a couple of them.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:44 pm

Jives wrote: For a Utopia to be created, it must be based in reality.

1. Get rid of all national governments, and replace them with a centralized base of co-functioning Series Supercomputers, Give them autonomous decision-making ability, input all world resources and problems, rely on them for allocation. If there is a drought in Uganda, and a surplus of wheat in Russia, then the computers would ship the wheat to the famine.

If any country declares war, the Supercomputers could mobilize the resources of the entire planet to crush the rebellion...but that would be a last resort, to be used only if the "treatments" don't work. (See below)

2. Get rid of all national boundries, replace it with "The Family" in reference to all mankind. For example, "The Family's colonies on the moon have been very productive this year."

3. Genetically shape all of mankind to a common look. Preferably, a slightly Chinese-eyed, medium build, tan skin colored race. No more racism.

4. Test children for abilites constanty during growth, let the Supercomputer, let's call it "Unicomp" or "Uni" for short would decide the best use of their talents for the betterment of the Family and assign them to their specialties at adulthood. No more unempolyment.

5. Give each human being "treatments" once a month through an infusion disc placed on the arm. This infusion disc would pass chemicals directly through the skin. Included would be a birth control chemical, an exfolient to get rid of the need for shaving, and assorted neurological chemicals to keep the people "happy and satisfied" and control excess, irrational emotion.

6. Put a bracelet on each persons arm. To go anywhere, you must touch the bracelet to a scanner, and reiceve permission from the computer first. This prevents uneccessary waste of resources and energy. You could claim a vacation occasionally, but only if the computer could allocate the resources and could spare you from your job. All efforts would be directed towards the common goal.

7. As a back-up system, counselors with protable laptops would oversee all members of the family regularly to look for aberrant behavior. Children would be taught to immediately contact one of these counselors if they saw any unusual behavior.

8. All competitive sports will be removed, since competition itself would have to be removed. Why compete, when you are assigned everything you need for life? Instead, mandatory group exercises will be required for the entire population every morning.

9. Since old age is a drain on resources, and the investment of resources and materials in their existance no longer is less than the returns, then they must be eliminated. The average age of life should be terminated at around 72. The computer will determine the age of death, and it could increase as medicine gets better.

So there you have it...everything you are asking for. No worrries, permanent employment, no corporations, no racism, no war, no strife, no nationalism, no corruption. Nothing but the shining Family working towards mankind's future in the stars.

Like it?

No!!

Hmm!!! Under this scenario, I have two years to live.

cars · Post by **cars** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:57 am

hotsauce wrote: When you stand in line...they give you a chocolate chip cookie with a number on it...instead of that little piece of paper. That would make standing in line some much more fun!

What happens if you ate the cookie (number & all) before your number was called?

Cars :driving:

cars · Post by **cars** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:51 pm

My Utopia: Everyone was equal, was healthy forever, had more money then they could ever need, remained at their desired age forever, wars were non-existant, the words & actions for hatred- jealously- envey- spitefull- fighting- killing- adultry-skinny- fat- ugly- mean- heartless- cruel- sneaky- were non-existant in "all the people of the world's" vocabularies. At will, One could travel through time with the blink of an eye, and be transported to wherever they desired. But unfortunately utopia is usually only a state of being in one's mind. Some are lucky & already have it, or are close to it !!

(I'm "content" not in utopia yet, but working on it)

Cars :driving:

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:11 pm

cars wrote: What happens if you ate the cookie (number & all) before your number was called?

Cars :driving:
maybe they would give you another?

telaquapacky · Post by **telaquapacky** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:22 pm

My idea of utopia is everyone in the world, coincidentally and accidentally woke up one morning with the conviction that they should treat every other person they encountered that day as if that person were dear to them, and worthy of the kindest treatment.

Governments cannot create utopia. It is a fleeting experience only people can create for one another by random acts of kindness.