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At 7;30am this morning, a gunman opened fire at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg Virginia, killing at least 22 people. This is the largest campus shooting, with deaths outnumbering Columbine. I am feeling so physically ill. What is going on in this world?
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weeder;594303 wrote: At 7;30am this morning, a gunman opened fire at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg Virginia, killing at least 22 people. This is the largest campus shooting, with deaths outnumbering Columbine. I am feeling so physically ill. What is going on in this world?
Ditto, Uncle Fester posted a thread on this as well, isn't this incredibly tragic. I can't think beyond that.
Ditto, Uncle Fester posted a thread on this as well, isn't this incredibly tragic. I can't think beyond that.
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weeder;594303 wrote: At 7;30am this morning, a gunman opened fire at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg Virginia, killing at least 22 people. This is the largest campus shooting, with deaths outnumbering Columbine. I am feeling so physically ill. What is going on in this world?
I just learned of this when I logged onto my yahoo mail just before coming here. They had the latest news about it. It's so hard to wrap my mind around it. Killing innocent people. What leads up to these events? What is the sequence in the killer's mind? Most of all, I want to know WHY. It dumbfounds me.
There is so much anger in this world and I really don't know why. Why?
I just learned of this when I logged onto my yahoo mail just before coming here. They had the latest news about it. It's so hard to wrap my mind around it. Killing innocent people. What leads up to these events? What is the sequence in the killer's mind? Most of all, I want to know WHY. It dumbfounds me.
There is so much anger in this world and I really don't know why. Why?
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It seems that there is no safe place in the world.........it's just a matter of timing. There's just so much anger and violence...like some kind of epidemic.
My heart always goes out to innocent victims. Will there ever be a satisfactory answer to the question, "Why?"
My heart always goes out to innocent victims. Will there ever be a satisfactory answer to the question, "Why?"
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Virginia Gun Laws:
State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed.
Other Requirements
Is there a State waiting period? No.
Virginia is a big NRA state with minimal gun control regulations...Just an observation.
State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed.
Other Requirements
Is there a State waiting period? No.
Virginia is a big NRA state with minimal gun control regulations...Just an observation.
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Roger... read you, loud and clear. I live here!!! Couldnt quite wrap my mind around the gun totin mentality. But, I dont think the problem here is gun control ( in this situation ) I think we are going to hear that the shooter was either an illegal drug user... or on prscription meds. ( There is beginning to be very little difference) A good majority of people ( many adolescents) are on some kind of medication. Medications that turn out to be mind altering. If I didnt have children here... I swear I would just dissapear.
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zinkyusa;594402 wrote: Virginia Gun Laws:
State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed.
Other Requirements
Is there a State waiting period? No.
Virginia is a big NRA state with minimal gun control regulations...Just an observation.
I understand its an observation Zinky, but in the defense of the good people that carry the guns and practice saftey with them at all times in many States, not just VA. I think the problem is the individual, not the weapon.
I'm led to believe it was a domestic situation, and like Weeder said, there will probably show some type of substance abuse in the autopsy. It's sad, People send their children to School and College in our Great Nation in fear, should be the last place they are afraid to go to next to Church...IMO.
State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed.
Other Requirements
Is there a State waiting period? No.
Virginia is a big NRA state with minimal gun control regulations...Just an observation.
I understand its an observation Zinky, but in the defense of the good people that carry the guns and practice saftey with them at all times in many States, not just VA. I think the problem is the individual, not the weapon.
I'm led to believe it was a domestic situation, and like Weeder said, there will probably show some type of substance abuse in the autopsy. It's sad, People send their children to School and College in our Great Nation in fear, should be the last place they are afraid to go to next to Church...IMO.
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zinkyusa;594402 wrote: Virginia Gun Laws:
State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed.
Other Requirements
Is there a State waiting period? No.
Virginia is a big NRA state with minimal gun control regulations...Just an observation.
Although it was just an observation, I have to say this. Take cars. Although the owners are licensed and the vehicles need to be registered, there are far more deaths by car accidents. Licensing, permits, and registrations aren't necessarily the solve-all answer. We need educated people caring these guns and using them wisely, as most people who own guns do.
State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.
Handguns
Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? Yes. A permit is required if concealed.
Other Requirements
Is there a State waiting period? No.
Virginia is a big NRA state with minimal gun control regulations...Just an observation.
Although it was just an observation, I have to say this. Take cars. Although the owners are licensed and the vehicles need to be registered, there are far more deaths by car accidents. Licensing, permits, and registrations aren't necessarily the solve-all answer. We need educated people caring these guns and using them wisely, as most people who own guns do.
It is better to have your mind opened by wonder
than closed by belief.
than closed by belief.
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weeder;594408 wrote: Roger... read you, loud and clear. I live here!!! Couldnt quite wrap my mind around the gun totin mentality. But, I dont think the problem here is gun control ( in this situation ) I think we are going to hear that the shooter was either an illegal drug user... or on prscription meds. ( There is beginning to be very little difference) A good majority of people ( many adolescents) are on some kind of medication. Medications that turn out to be mind altering. If I didnt have children here... I swear I would just dissapear.
I'm surprised at your comment about there beginning to be little difference between a user of prescription drugs and a user of illegal drugs. There are a lot of people on prescription meds and those meds help them lead fuller, more productive lives. Take myself for example. I take a prescription med every day. That doesn't make me a "drug user" in the illegal, street sense, and certainly doesn't make me a candidate for committing a gun crime. Granted, there is high abuse of legal substances, and I don't deny that, but generalizing and putting all prescription med users on that list is pure ignorance.
This isn't a matter of gun control, you're right. This is a matter of some pathetic, angry low-life with some sick agenda, and a gun was the easiest thing he could wield to prove his screwed up point. I'm just grateful he's dead and doesn't get the chance at a "fair trial." It's too bad he didn't just kill himself without hurting all those people in the process.
I'm surprised at your comment about there beginning to be little difference between a user of prescription drugs and a user of illegal drugs. There are a lot of people on prescription meds and those meds help them lead fuller, more productive lives. Take myself for example. I take a prescription med every day. That doesn't make me a "drug user" in the illegal, street sense, and certainly doesn't make me a candidate for committing a gun crime. Granted, there is high abuse of legal substances, and I don't deny that, but generalizing and putting all prescription med users on that list is pure ignorance.
This isn't a matter of gun control, you're right. This is a matter of some pathetic, angry low-life with some sick agenda, and a gun was the easiest thing he could wield to prove his screwed up point. I'm just grateful he's dead and doesn't get the chance at a "fair trial." It's too bad he didn't just kill himself without hurting all those people in the process.
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than closed by belief.
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Ok. I understand the want and need for rifles and shotguns that can be used for hunting. I can even understand the want and need for a handgun to protect yourself.
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the want and need for automatic weapons - whether they be rifles or handguns. You don't need an Uzi to shoot dinner or protect your home from a burglar so why can't they be illegal and the penalty for owning one (unless maybe you have special training, background checkes and permits) should be severe.
Yep - cars kill more people then guns. But I doubt that this young man could have killed 32 people today with his car.
As for the rest of it - it seems to me that the more permissive parents get with their young children, the more often you hear about these types of things happening. Sorry, but when a first grader bullies a classmate and the adults answer is to put the bully in time out - the kid who gets bullied knows that if he/she wants the bullying to stop - they are going to have to do it themselves.
You bet I think there should be laws against child abuse. But it has gotten to the point that if you tell your child "No" you are a bad parent. What a load of crap!
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the want and need for automatic weapons - whether they be rifles or handguns. You don't need an Uzi to shoot dinner or protect your home from a burglar so why can't they be illegal and the penalty for owning one (unless maybe you have special training, background checkes and permits) should be severe.
Yep - cars kill more people then guns. But I doubt that this young man could have killed 32 people today with his car.
As for the rest of it - it seems to me that the more permissive parents get with their young children, the more often you hear about these types of things happening. Sorry, but when a first grader bullies a classmate and the adults answer is to put the bully in time out - the kid who gets bullied knows that if he/she wants the bullying to stop - they are going to have to do it themselves.
You bet I think there should be laws against child abuse. But it has gotten to the point that if you tell your child "No" you are a bad parent. What a load of crap!
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laneybug;594640 wrote: Although it was just an observation, I have to say this. Take cars. Although the owners are licensed and the vehicles need to be registered, there are far more deaths by car accidents. Licensing, permits, and registrations aren't necessarily the solve-all answer. We need educated people caring these guns and using them wisely, as most people who own guns do.
Really, I have to challenge that premise..since we don't have a clue where all the guns are and who has them.. In many states it's as easy to buy a gun as it is to adopt a pet from an animal shelter or get a drivers license.
Gun control may not solve all the gun issues but our statistics compared with countries where guns are illegal, or heavily controlled are pretty compelling IMO.
VA does almost nothing to check on who is buying weapons, criminals from DC (which does by necessity control guns) come there to buy guns and take them back. How about a least doing some basic checks and controls?
It is tragically ironic that this "historical" event occurred in Virginia...
Really, I have to challenge that premise..since we don't have a clue where all the guns are and who has them.. In many states it's as easy to buy a gun as it is to adopt a pet from an animal shelter or get a drivers license.
Gun control may not solve all the gun issues but our statistics compared with countries where guns are illegal, or heavily controlled are pretty compelling IMO.
VA does almost nothing to check on who is buying weapons, criminals from DC (which does by necessity control guns) come there to buy guns and take them back. How about a least doing some basic checks and controls?
It is tragically ironic that this "historical" event occurred in Virginia...
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LilacDragon;594644 wrote: Ok. I understand the want and need for rifles and shotguns that can be used for hunting. I can even understand the want and need for a handgun to protect yourself.
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the want and need for automatic weapons - whether they be rifles or handguns. You don't need an Uzi to shoot dinner or protect your home from a burglar so why can't they be illegal and the penalty for owning one (unless maybe you have special training, background checkes and permits) should be severe.
I agree. There really is no need for automatic weapons in every day society. If the military wants to employ those types of guns, whatever. But for your average citizen, I don't see the point. You're right, you don't need an automatic weapon to kill an animal for food/protection or harm a human who is assaulting you, burglarizing your home, etc.
What I'm wondering is why this is becoming so much of an issue about gun control and not about personal responsibility? Why don't we just give this guy a free ticket by blaming gun laws and the government instead of the man who held the gun and fired. This is one of those instances where I believe the saying "guns don't kill people, people do." Yes, we need to look at gun control issues, but I feel we're overlooking the responsibility the individual.
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the want and need for automatic weapons - whether they be rifles or handguns. You don't need an Uzi to shoot dinner or protect your home from a burglar so why can't they be illegal and the penalty for owning one (unless maybe you have special training, background checkes and permits) should be severe.
I agree. There really is no need for automatic weapons in every day society. If the military wants to employ those types of guns, whatever. But for your average citizen, I don't see the point. You're right, you don't need an automatic weapon to kill an animal for food/protection or harm a human who is assaulting you, burglarizing your home, etc.
What I'm wondering is why this is becoming so much of an issue about gun control and not about personal responsibility? Why don't we just give this guy a free ticket by blaming gun laws and the government instead of the man who held the gun and fired. This is one of those instances where I believe the saying "guns don't kill people, people do." Yes, we need to look at gun control issues, but I feel we're overlooking the responsibility the individual.
It is better to have your mind opened by wonder
than closed by belief.
than closed by belief.
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laneybug;594862 wrote: I agree. There really is no need for automatic weapons in every day society. If the military wants to employ those types of guns, whatever. But for your average citizen, I don't see the point. You're right, you don't need an automatic weapon to kill an animal for food/protection or harm a human who is assaulting you, burglarizing your home, etc.
What I'm wondering is why this is becoming so much of an issue about gun control and not about personal responsibility? Why don't we just give this guy a free ticket by blaming gun laws and the government instead of the man who held the gun and fired. This is one of those instances where I believe the saying "guns don't kill people, people do." Yes, we need to look at gun control issues, but I feel we're overlooking the responsibility the individual.
Definitley agree with you there...
What I'm wondering is why this is becoming so much of an issue about gun control and not about personal responsibility? Why don't we just give this guy a free ticket by blaming gun laws and the government instead of the man who held the gun and fired. This is one of those instances where I believe the saying "guns don't kill people, people do." Yes, we need to look at gun control issues, but I feel we're overlooking the responsibility the individual.
Definitley agree with you there...
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zinkyusa;594867 wrote: Definitley agree with you there...
You can put all the laws in you want. Still doesn't protect against CRAZY!!
You can put all the laws in you want. Still doesn't protect against CRAZY!!
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laneybug;594862 wrote: I agree. There really is no need for automatic weapons in every day society. If the military wants to employ those types of guns, whatever. But for your average citizen, I don't see the point. You're right, you don't need an automatic weapon to kill an animal for food/protection or harm a human who is assaulting you, burglarizing your home, etc.
What I'm wondering is why this is becoming so much of an issue about gun control and not about personal responsibility? Why don't we just give this guy a free ticket by blaming gun laws and the government instead of the man who held the gun and fired. This is one of those instances where I believe the saying "guns don't kill people, people do." Yes, we need to look at gun control issues, but I feel we're overlooking the responsibility the individual.
I agree with that 100%. My argument about gun control was always that criminals are always going to get a hold of them, they are CRIMINALS!! :-5
What I'm wondering is why this is becoming so much of an issue about gun control and not about personal responsibility? Why don't we just give this guy a free ticket by blaming gun laws and the government instead of the man who held the gun and fired. This is one of those instances where I believe the saying "guns don't kill people, people do." Yes, we need to look at gun control issues, but I feel we're overlooking the responsibility the individual.
I agree with that 100%. My argument about gun control was always that criminals are always going to get a hold of them, they are CRIMINALS!! :-5
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you know the saying,
guns don't kill people, stupid people kill people.
guns don't kill people, stupid people kill people.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
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laneybug... My comment regarding prescription drugs was based on reading literature describing ( in some cases) side effects that include the possibility of suicide, along with altering of personality. I also feel that far too many very young people are put on a drug treatment program in lieu of psychotherpy... which would be far too expensive to pursue.
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weeder;596438 wrote: laneybug... My comment regarding prescription drugs was based on reading literature describing ( in some cases) side effects that include the possibility of suicide, along with altering of personality. I also feel that far too many very young people are put on a drug treatment program in lieu of psychotherpy... which would be far too expensive to pursue.
It's true, meds are sadly becoming the catch-all "cure." But, regardless of that information, I think it'd be a mistake to begin generalizing.
As for "altering of personality." In some cases, that would be the desired result, for the better, obviously.
As for comparing legal substances with illegal ones, I wonder why you think the two are becoming one. (Minus the people who get prescriptions of their own, and then sell them.)
It's true, meds are sadly becoming the catch-all "cure." But, regardless of that information, I think it'd be a mistake to begin generalizing.
As for "altering of personality." In some cases, that would be the desired result, for the better, obviously.
As for comparing legal substances with illegal ones, I wonder why you think the two are becoming one. (Minus the people who get prescriptions of their own, and then sell them.)
It is better to have your mind opened by wonder
than closed by belief.
than closed by belief.