spot wrote: Well, no, not quite - it's another of those literary allusions you so disapprove of me dropping into threads, this time to a reasonably well known Monty Python sketch.
mmm-hmmm. much like you disapprove of 'latin tags'?
note: monty python we're the first to drop that bon mot.
rhetorical query: referencing monty python is a 'literary allusion'? what's next, quotes from benny hill?
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spot wrote: If you knew what it meant, you strange fellow, why did you mis-use it?
i'm sorry, i've looked through all the book catalogs, and can't find any reference to your masterpiece "the proper and improper use of metaphors: endless ramblings of a boorish homunculus".
must be out of print.
i'm sorry, i've looked through all the book catalogs, and can't find any reference to your masterpiece "the proper and improper use of metaphors: endless ramblings of a boorish homunculus".
must be out of print.
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anastrophe wrote: mmm-hmmm. much like you disapprove of 'latin tags'?I love latin tags. That's why it hurts to see them so trivialized.
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anastrophe wrote: i'm sorry, i've looked through all the book catalogs, and can't find any reference to your masterpiece "the proper and improper use of metaphors: endless ramblings of a boorish homunculus".
must be out of print.For future reference, then, the word you were groping for is "whip". Simple is often both safest and best.
must be out of print.For future reference, then, the word you were groping for is "whip". Simple is often both safest and best.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot wrote: For future reference, then, the word you were groping for is "whip". Simple is often both safest and best.
try again, old cheese. you seem to be ever more confused. i think the word *you* were groping for above was "post".
hoisted on your own petard.
try again, old cheese. you seem to be ever more confused. i think the word *you* were groping for above was "post".
hoisted on your own petard.
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spot wrote: I love latin tags. That's why it hurts to see them so trivialized.
much as you trivialize tillman's death by turning his corpse into a whipping boy.
good enough?
much as you trivialize tillman's death by turning his corpse into a whipping boy.
good enough?
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anastrophe wrote: try again, old cheese. you seem to be ever more confused. i think the word *you* were groping for above was "post".
hoisted on your own petard.the topic is merely another convenient whip for spot...
the topic is merely another convenient post for spot...
That's very good, I like that. Post as in block of wood transformed into post as in item of mail. You managed a pun. There's hope for you yet, faint though it may be.
hoisted on your own petard.the topic is merely another convenient whip for spot...
the topic is merely another convenient post for spot...
That's very good, I like that. Post as in block of wood transformed into post as in item of mail. You managed a pun. There's hope for you yet, faint though it may be.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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anastrophe wrote: good enough?Accurate use of English, at least this is a learning experience for you, but only assuming your view of my motive is accurate, despite my many denials. Total lack of good form, though. I think what I'm doing and what Mr Tillman's family is trying to do are parallel and complementary. The suggestion that the unreleased report has been held back by the military at the request of the family seems more and more to be an invention fed to a poodle press for widespread dissemination.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote: the topic is merely another convenient whip for spot...
the topic is merely another convenient post for spot...
That's very good, I like that. Post as in block of wood transformed into post as in item of mail. You managed a pun. There's hope for you yet, faint though it may be.
is your memory truly that short? if so, i'd recommend a visit to the doctor.
you took me to task for saying "convenient whipping BOY", 'correcting' me that it should be "convenient whipping POST". you followed up with "For future reference, then, the word you were groping for is "whip". "
so, are we to understand, my poor deluded interlocutor, that you are suggesting i meant to say "convenient whipping whip"?
you're very droll. er, i think i meant, drool.
the topic is merely another convenient post for spot...
That's very good, I like that. Post as in block of wood transformed into post as in item of mail. You managed a pun. There's hope for you yet, faint though it may be.
is your memory truly that short? if so, i'd recommend a visit to the doctor.
you took me to task for saying "convenient whipping BOY", 'correcting' me that it should be "convenient whipping POST". you followed up with "For future reference, then, the word you were groping for is "whip". "
so, are we to understand, my poor deluded interlocutor, that you are suggesting i meant to say "convenient whipping whip"?
you're very droll. er, i think i meant, drool.
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spot wrote: Accurate use of English, at least this is a learning experience for you, but only assuming your view of my motive is accurate, despite my many denials. Total lack of good form, though. I think what I'm doing and what Mr Tillman's family is trying to do are parallel and complementary. The suggestion that the unreleased report has been held back by the military at the request of the family seems more and more to be an invention fed to a poodle press for widespread dissemination.
title of thread "pat tillman, a failed hollywood script". my comment, "this topic is a convenient whipping boy for you".
your density exceeds that of lead.
title of thread "pat tillman, a failed hollywood script". my comment, "this topic is a convenient whipping boy for you".
your density exceeds that of lead.
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Obviously not. You don't merely misread my intention, you misread my text. I don't for a minute believe you do it accidentally, either. Whipping post is cumbersome but retains your pace, whip is a far more direct word describing what I use the topic for. Except, of course, that you're mistaken in suggesting that I do.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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anastrophe wrote: title of thread "pat tillman, a failed hollywood script". my comment, "this topic is a convenient whipping boy for you".
your density exceeds that of lead.If you insist that you intend that to be read as "the subject of this thread is a convenient whipping boy for you" then by all means do so, but it's circumlocutory, tendentious and actually inaccurate. The topic is, of course, the failed hollywood script. That's what we've discussed throughout, when you've not been stood in the way distracting the conversation with inane discussions of grammar. We have not been discussing the victim of the friendly fire incident, nor criticizing the friendly fire incident, at any stage. We have been criticizing the cover up.
your density exceeds that of lead.If you insist that you intend that to be read as "the subject of this thread is a convenient whipping boy for you" then by all means do so, but it's circumlocutory, tendentious and actually inaccurate. The topic is, of course, the failed hollywood script. That's what we've discussed throughout, when you've not been stood in the way distracting the conversation with inane discussions of grammar. We have not been discussing the victim of the friendly fire incident, nor criticizing the friendly fire incident, at any stage. We have been criticizing the cover up.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot wrote: Obviously not. You don't merely misread my intention, you misread my text. I don't for a minute believe you do it accidentally, either. Whipping post is cumbersome but retains your pace, whip is a far more direct word describing what I use the topic for. Except, of course, that you're mistaken in suggesting that I do.
you can wiggle all you like, you won't get out of it. you misspoke, i didn't misread.
or are we to believe, that after having taken me to task for saying "whipping boy" rather than "whipping post", and your relentless rantings about the proper metaphor being "whipping post", that suddenly you are suggesting that neither "whipping boy" nor "whipping post" were what you felt was appropriate, but merely "whip"? give me one fat break.
you can wiggle all you like, you won't get out of it. you misspoke, i didn't misread.
or are we to believe, that after having taken me to task for saying "whipping boy" rather than "whipping post", and your relentless rantings about the proper metaphor being "whipping post", that suddenly you are suggesting that neither "whipping boy" nor "whipping post" were what you felt was appropriate, but merely "whip"? give me one fat break.
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spot wrote: If you insist that you intend that to be read as "the subject of this thread is a convenient whipping boy for you" then by all means do so, but it's circumlocutory, tendentious and actually inaccurate. The topic is, of course, the failed hollywood script. That's what we've discussed throughout, when you've not been stood in the way distracting the conversation with inane discussions of grammar. We have not been discussing the victim of the friendly fire incident, nor criticizing the friendly fire incident, at any stage. We have been criticizing the cover up.
translation: anything to avoid confronting the fact that you are using this thread - pat tillman - as a whipping boy for america.
translation: anything to avoid confronting the fact that you are using this thread - pat tillman - as a whipping boy for america.
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anastrophe wrote: you can wiggle all you like, you won't get out of it. you misspoke, i didn't misread.
or are we to believe, that after having taken me to task for saying "whipping boy" rather than "whipping post", and your relentless rantings about the proper metaphor being "whipping post", that suddenly you are suggesting that neither "whipping boy" nor "whipping post" were what you felt was appropriate, but merely "whip"? give me one fat break.Yep. I doubt whether an impartial observer would discover my ' relentless rantings ' about the proper metaphor being "whipping post" but you've got the gist of it.
or are we to believe, that after having taken me to task for saying "whipping boy" rather than "whipping post", and your relentless rantings about the proper metaphor being "whipping post", that suddenly you are suggesting that neither "whipping boy" nor "whipping post" were what you felt was appropriate, but merely "whip"? give me one fat break.Yep. I doubt whether an impartial observer would discover my ' relentless rantings ' about the proper metaphor being "whipping post" but you've got the gist of it.
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anastrophe wrote: translation: anything to avoid confronting the fact that you are using this thread - pat tillman - as a whipping boy for america.This thread is not Mr Tillman. This thread is the Commander, U.S. Central Command, and a small subset of his underlings, whose careers I'm trying hard to destroy.
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spot;76960 wrote: "As far as our family is concerned, the case of Pat's death is not closed, as the Army suggests," she [Mary Tillman] told me. "It concerns us that the documents we received state that Gen. [John P.] Abizaid knew on April 28 that Pat was absolutely killed by fratricide. Why were we not told prior to Pat's memorial service, which was nationally televised on May 3? We weren't told until five weeks later, and only because the troops that were with Pat came home from Afghanistan and the story was unfolding."
Remainder of yesterday's item, http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 773.column
Names have finally been named, but not the one I was looking for. It would seen that General Abizaid has yet again avoided criticism from within his own organization. They seem to have a fall-guy of lesser rank:The report said, “We found compelling evidence that (Lt. Gen.) Kensinger learned of suspected fratricide well before the memorial service and provided misleading testimony to both (Brig. Gen.) Jones and to our investigators on that issue.
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=258250
I continue to maintain, as I have from the beginning of this thread, that General Abizaid cannot but have known, before his April 30th press conference, that this was a friendly-fire death, and that his statement that day was deliberately designed to cover up what had happened while weaseling around the actuality in an effort not to explicitly lie. I continue to hold him personally responsible for the subsequent embarrassment to his country. I still feel that the reason for it was the coincident breaking news of detainee torture and a desire to avoid further immediate loss of public confidence in his command.
Remainder of yesterday's item, http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 773.column
Names have finally been named, but not the one I was looking for. It would seen that General Abizaid has yet again avoided criticism from within his own organization. They seem to have a fall-guy of lesser rank:The report said, “We found compelling evidence that (Lt. Gen.) Kensinger learned of suspected fratricide well before the memorial service and provided misleading testimony to both (Brig. Gen.) Jones and to our investigators on that issue.
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=258250
I continue to maintain, as I have from the beginning of this thread, that General Abizaid cannot but have known, before his April 30th press conference, that this was a friendly-fire death, and that his statement that day was deliberately designed to cover up what had happened while weaseling around the actuality in an effort not to explicitly lie. I continue to hold him personally responsible for the subsequent embarrassment to his country. I still feel that the reason for it was the coincident breaking news of detainee torture and a desire to avoid further immediate loss of public confidence in his command.
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And, indeed, reading further into the content of the report, it's just as I've been claiming...None of the officials at Monday's news conference mentioned the evidence previously made public that Gen. John Abizaid, chief of Central Command, knew about the friendly fire evidence on April 29, just days after the event.
The 2,099 pages of documents released with the inspector general's report included three instances of testimony by Army officers that Abizaid was in the loop.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... RV5R12.DTL
Can we go back twenty months to post 1 of this thread and re-read what I posted there?General John Abizaid, commander, Central Command, on Friday, April 30, 2004 9:05am:
"[...] I'd also like to say that while I was in Afghanistan yesterday I had the opportunity to talk to 1st Lieutenant Dave Hutman (sp) of the 1st Ranger Battalion, of the Ranger battalion - maybe I've got the wrong Ranger battalion that he was with. He was the platoon leader of Pat Tillman.
"I asked him yesterday how operations were going. I asked him about Pat Tillman. He said, "Pat Tillman was a great Ranger and a great soldier, and what more can I say about him?" And I'd say that about every one of those young men and women that are fighting, not only in Afghanistan but in Iraq.
"I also probably bear some understanding that - that lieutenant I was talking to happened to be a former first captain of corps of cadets at West Point, and when he was talking to me, he was still nursing a large number of wounds that he sustained in that firefight where Pat Tillman lost his life.
"These soldiers are fighting hard. They're fighting well. They're fighting courageously. And the only thing that the lieutenant could say to me is that he needed to get back in the field to his troops.
"Let's turn to Iraq. Next slide."And this week's report finally concurs that "Gen. John Abizaid, chief of Central Command, knew about the friendly fire evidence on April 29"? Go on, read the man's weasel words again, I said he was skirting the truth and I was damn well right.
What puzzles me now is that he's still not being held responsible.
The 2,099 pages of documents released with the inspector general's report included three instances of testimony by Army officers that Abizaid was in the loop.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... RV5R12.DTL
Can we go back twenty months to post 1 of this thread and re-read what I posted there?General John Abizaid, commander, Central Command, on Friday, April 30, 2004 9:05am:
"[...] I'd also like to say that while I was in Afghanistan yesterday I had the opportunity to talk to 1st Lieutenant Dave Hutman (sp) of the 1st Ranger Battalion, of the Ranger battalion - maybe I've got the wrong Ranger battalion that he was with. He was the platoon leader of Pat Tillman.
"I asked him yesterday how operations were going. I asked him about Pat Tillman. He said, "Pat Tillman was a great Ranger and a great soldier, and what more can I say about him?" And I'd say that about every one of those young men and women that are fighting, not only in Afghanistan but in Iraq.
"I also probably bear some understanding that - that lieutenant I was talking to happened to be a former first captain of corps of cadets at West Point, and when he was talking to me, he was still nursing a large number of wounds that he sustained in that firefight where Pat Tillman lost his life.
"These soldiers are fighting hard. They're fighting well. They're fighting courageously. And the only thing that the lieutenant could say to me is that he needed to get back in the field to his troops.
"Let's turn to Iraq. Next slide."And this week's report finally concurs that "Gen. John Abizaid, chief of Central Command, knew about the friendly fire evidence on April 29"? Go on, read the man's weasel words again, I said he was skirting the truth and I was damn well right.
What puzzles me now is that he's still not being held responsible.
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Scrat;76972 wrote: To me it is kind of a dead issue now. Unfortunately he died for an agenda that in the end will accomplish nothing.
Yah.......... Thanx to your ILK...."he died for an agenda that in the end will accomplish nothing".......
SKEERAT
I ask again what if the demorats and the UN supported removing the bile of SADAAM as all intelligence supported when we (USA) moved to remove his regime?
I propose this war would have been over long ago if there had been UNILATERAL support thus our Brave sons would not be dying now ....
YOU SAY:
"he (Pat Tillman) died for an agenda that in the end will accomplish nothing" !!!!!!!!!!
I call BULLOCKS. I know that you want it that way.......NOTHING
But I say he died for something............. Friendly fire or NOT!!!
GOT IT PAL
REMEMBER this was in al qaeda's turf (AGHGANASTAN) NOT IRAQ where he was killed
Yah.......... Thanx to your ILK...."he died for an agenda that in the end will accomplish nothing".......
SKEERAT
I ask again what if the demorats and the UN supported removing the bile of SADAAM as all intelligence supported when we (USA) moved to remove his regime?
I propose this war would have been over long ago if there had been UNILATERAL support thus our Brave sons would not be dying now ....
YOU SAY:
"he (Pat Tillman) died for an agenda that in the end will accomplish nothing" !!!!!!!!!!
I call BULLOCKS. I know that you want it that way.......NOTHING
But I say he died for something............. Friendly fire or NOT!!!
GOT IT PAL
REMEMBER this was in al qaeda's turf (AGHGANASTAN) NOT IRAQ where he was killed
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Tillman was a chump..
No one who died is a CHUMP.
No one who died is a CHUMP.
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It might be less contentious to describe him as a victim of the pledge of allegiance. Uncritical patriotism kills far too many people when it's manipulated by politicians.
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Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.QUOTE SCRAT:
Looks like a flaming metrosexual to me. Was he gay?
So SKEEEERATT........ the US Senate and House agreed to go to Afghanistan to get Alkida after 9/11 (do you remember 9/11 or not?) Oh yah and Pat Tillman is a "GAY METROSEXUAL CHUMP" for going after the BASTARDS that attacked our country........
No not "HURT MY FEELING as u suppose" just **** me offf!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT makes him a "CHUMP"?
Is it your VIEW that ALL who have died are "CHUMPS" ALSO?
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.
Scrat;585695 wrote: Pat Tillman was a CHUMP. He gave up a very lucrative football career to go die in a worthless war for empire when the politicos that brought this war on us consider it unthinkable to send their own children.
Don't make me hurt your feelings here.QUOTE SCRAT:
Looks like a flaming metrosexual to me. Was he gay?
So SKEEEERATT........ the US Senate and House agreed to go to Afghanistan to get Alkida after 9/11 (do you remember 9/11 or not?) Oh yah and Pat Tillman is a "GAY METROSEXUAL CHUMP" for going after the BASTARDS that attacked our country........
No not "HURT MY FEELING as u suppose" just **** me offf!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT makes him a "CHUMP"?
Is it your VIEW that ALL who have died are "CHUMPS" ALSO?
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
Children, children, please... this is a serious topic.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
Spot,
At the end of your initial post i read this:
demean the integrity of the United States Marine Corps
I dont know if you wrote that last bit, but it doesnt belong in any of this conversation. Pat was a US Army Ranger. Im a bit confused by the mentioning of the Devil Dogs.
Also, regarding the award of the Silver Star...the military has been known to issue medals that do not quite match up to the written rule. Just google the Medal of Honor..youll find that some guys won it by jumping on a grenade to save the life of their comrades. Brave enough for the MOH, sure..But...Thats an act that has played out many times in Iraq, yet only once was someone awarded the Medal of Honor for it. As far as whether or not the Silver Star should have been awarded to Pat Tillman..the Army said he earned it, and thats all that matters.
Now for the cover up stuff..
Yes, i fully believe that the Army did cover it up...And the Army had every right and the best of intentions for our country in mind when they covered it up.
The Army and the rest of our military, has the right to decide what information it releases. We arent talking about boy scouts here. Our forces could bomb 50 countries tomorrow and youd never know it..unless they released that information.
When crap hits the fan and we send our troops in we have to take into account several factors, not the least of which is public opinion and recruiting. So when something nasty like this goes down its for the greater good to just put a lid on it. Unfortunately in this case word got out and now the public is crying about it. But ask yourself what is more important to your country, the way one Soldier died or keeping the moral, the man power and the support of the public behind you? Thats the question these Generals faced upon Tillmans death. Now, you may not like that line of thinking. In fact, it may seem incredibly cold hearted. But put yourself in their shoes and make the choices they make. Bear in mind, your job is to keep Americas military at full fighting force, would you let this out and hurt your moral, recruiting and support?
Scrat,
"As I said before, there are not a lot of Pattons, Hoths, Haussers, Vatutins, Rokosovkis in our military. Just a lot of politicians."
So what youre saying is that you serve in the US Military and you know all of this first hand because your unit has poor leadership? Or are you saying this because youre a biased fool, sitting around taking a break from xbox and typing some crap while you dust off the chessy puff crumbs?
Dont pretend you know the first thing about the US Military and the bravery, competence and leadership of our Officers. Dont insult the men and women who volunteer to defend you while you sit at home doin jack squat to help your country. You say Pat Tillman, a man who gave up millions to serve his country is a chump? I say pukes like you who dont understand selfless service are the chumps. Pat IS a hero, deal with it.
lEverything you know about the US Military came from your magic tv box and the internet your mom pays for.
At the end of your initial post i read this:
demean the integrity of the United States Marine Corps
I dont know if you wrote that last bit, but it doesnt belong in any of this conversation. Pat was a US Army Ranger. Im a bit confused by the mentioning of the Devil Dogs.
Also, regarding the award of the Silver Star...the military has been known to issue medals that do not quite match up to the written rule. Just google the Medal of Honor..youll find that some guys won it by jumping on a grenade to save the life of their comrades. Brave enough for the MOH, sure..But...Thats an act that has played out many times in Iraq, yet only once was someone awarded the Medal of Honor for it. As far as whether or not the Silver Star should have been awarded to Pat Tillman..the Army said he earned it, and thats all that matters.
Now for the cover up stuff..
Yes, i fully believe that the Army did cover it up...And the Army had every right and the best of intentions for our country in mind when they covered it up.
The Army and the rest of our military, has the right to decide what information it releases. We arent talking about boy scouts here. Our forces could bomb 50 countries tomorrow and youd never know it..unless they released that information.
When crap hits the fan and we send our troops in we have to take into account several factors, not the least of which is public opinion and recruiting. So when something nasty like this goes down its for the greater good to just put a lid on it. Unfortunately in this case word got out and now the public is crying about it. But ask yourself what is more important to your country, the way one Soldier died or keeping the moral, the man power and the support of the public behind you? Thats the question these Generals faced upon Tillmans death. Now, you may not like that line of thinking. In fact, it may seem incredibly cold hearted. But put yourself in their shoes and make the choices they make. Bear in mind, your job is to keep Americas military at full fighting force, would you let this out and hurt your moral, recruiting and support?
Scrat,
"As I said before, there are not a lot of Pattons, Hoths, Haussers, Vatutins, Rokosovkis in our military. Just a lot of politicians."
So what youre saying is that you serve in the US Military and you know all of this first hand because your unit has poor leadership? Or are you saying this because youre a biased fool, sitting around taking a break from xbox and typing some crap while you dust off the chessy puff crumbs?
Dont pretend you know the first thing about the US Military and the bravery, competence and leadership of our Officers. Dont insult the men and women who volunteer to defend you while you sit at home doin jack squat to help your country. You say Pat Tillman, a man who gave up millions to serve his country is a chump? I say pukes like you who dont understand selfless service are the chumps. Pat IS a hero, deal with it.
lEverything you know about the US Military came from your magic tv box and the internet your mom pays for.
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
The words "Abizaid" and "Tillman" are starting to appear in close proximity in news reports, at long last. If anyone from the House committee is reading this thread and gets to question the man, ask him about the daily briefing on Friday, April 30, 2004 which is discussed in post#1, whether Pat Tillman's platoon leader mentioned the huge bit of information the General claims not to have known about, and why he worded his statement to the press the following day in such a weaselly way if he didn't. Then get the General dishonourably discharged.Lawmakers see cover-up, vow to probe Tillman death: Fellow soldier testifies he was ordered to hide the truth about friendly fire.
[...] Lawmakers also grilled the Department of Defense's inspector general, Thomas Gimble, who recently recommended that nine officers be disciplined for mishandling Tillman's death but did not suggest that a criminal cover-up occurred. Under sharp questioning from lawmakers, Gimble admitted that he had not independently verified claims by Rumsfeld and Abizaid that they weren't aware it was friendly fire -- even though the chief of the military's special operations sent a high-priority memo, a "P4" in military parlance, to three other generals, including Abizaid, to warn them.
"We think the P4 stopped with the three generals," Gimble testified, adding that he never asked for sworn testimony from Rumsfeld, but instead sent him a letter with questions and received a response Dec. 16, 2006. "We went to the secretary of defense, and we got a negative response back." Waxman fired back: "How is that believable that three generals would not send this up the chain of command?" "I can't explain why," Gimble said.
Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minn., shook her head at Gimble's assertions, saying that while he had criticized three previous Army investigations as deficient, "I'm not impressed with yours."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... PF0DP1.DTL
[...] Lawmakers also grilled the Department of Defense's inspector general, Thomas Gimble, who recently recommended that nine officers be disciplined for mishandling Tillman's death but did not suggest that a criminal cover-up occurred. Under sharp questioning from lawmakers, Gimble admitted that he had not independently verified claims by Rumsfeld and Abizaid that they weren't aware it was friendly fire -- even though the chief of the military's special operations sent a high-priority memo, a "P4" in military parlance, to three other generals, including Abizaid, to warn them.
"We think the P4 stopped with the three generals," Gimble testified, adding that he never asked for sworn testimony from Rumsfeld, but instead sent him a letter with questions and received a response Dec. 16, 2006. "We went to the secretary of defense, and we got a negative response back." Waxman fired back: "How is that believable that three generals would not send this up the chain of command?" "I can't explain why," Gimble said.
Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minn., shook her head at Gimble's assertions, saying that while he had criticized three previous Army investigations as deficient, "I'm not impressed with yours."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... PF0DP1.DTL
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
I have no doubt it is a cover up. For the life of me I can't figure what is wrong with telling the truth. There are nothing but hard feelings for the family and the Army looks like a bunch of fumblers.
I imagine someone in the chain of command wanted to make some propaganda points out of this and now they've been caught. I read or saw a report the other night that even Bush and Rumsfeld were appraised early on in the investigation that the truth was death caused by friendly fire and opted to do nothing...
I imagine someone in the chain of command wanted to make some propaganda points out of this and now they've been caught. I read or saw a report the other night that even Bush and Rumsfeld were appraised early on in the investigation that the truth was death caused by friendly fire and opted to do nothing...
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
This is an email I got from an American friend some time ago on this same subject. It says so much more than I could as I had never heard of Pat Tillman:-
Don't know if you are aware of the story surrounding Pat Tillman. He's a US soldier killed in a friendly fire incident in Afgahnistan, but the story surrounding his death had been hushed up and then come to light under embarassing circumstance. His death got a lot of attention because Tillman had been an millionaire NFL player (that's wur funny brand of rugby with the pads and helmets and all) who quit after 9/11 in the middle of a succesful career to join the army as a grunt private.
Well in amongst the investigation by Congress into this story, it turns out the comments by one Lt. Col. Kauzlarich came out with this wee chestnut, that has some of big brass squirming when under questioning.
Kauzlarich, now a battalion commanding officer at Fort Riley in Kansas, further suggested the Tillman family's unhappiness with the findings of past investigations might be because of the absence of a Christian faith in their lives.
In an interview with ESPN.com, Kauzlarich said: "When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don't believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt. So for their son to die for nothing, and now he is no more — that is pretty hard to get your head around that. So I don't know how an atheist thinks. I can only imagine that that would be pretty tough."
Asked by ESPN.com whether the Tillmans' religious beliefs are a factor in the ongoing investigation, Kauzlarich said, "I think so. There is not a whole lot of trust in the system or faith in the system [by the Tillmans]. So that is my personal opinion, knowing what I know."
It something to see when a congressman asking a general if he thinks those comments are appropriate when talking about the most famous death from the current conflict. The congressman asked if there was not some charge to be brought against Kauzlarich, to which the general said he was unaware of an rule against such comments, and the congressman fired back with "what about conduct unbecoming an officer" to which the general had to shrug and look intently at the papers on his table.
Don't know if you are aware of the story surrounding Pat Tillman. He's a US soldier killed in a friendly fire incident in Afgahnistan, but the story surrounding his death had been hushed up and then come to light under embarassing circumstance. His death got a lot of attention because Tillman had been an millionaire NFL player (that's wur funny brand of rugby with the pads and helmets and all) who quit after 9/11 in the middle of a succesful career to join the army as a grunt private.
Well in amongst the investigation by Congress into this story, it turns out the comments by one Lt. Col. Kauzlarich came out with this wee chestnut, that has some of big brass squirming when under questioning.
Kauzlarich, now a battalion commanding officer at Fort Riley in Kansas, further suggested the Tillman family's unhappiness with the findings of past investigations might be because of the absence of a Christian faith in their lives.
In an interview with ESPN.com, Kauzlarich said: "When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don't believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt. So for their son to die for nothing, and now he is no more — that is pretty hard to get your head around that. So I don't know how an atheist thinks. I can only imagine that that would be pretty tough."
Asked by ESPN.com whether the Tillmans' religious beliefs are a factor in the ongoing investigation, Kauzlarich said, "I think so. There is not a whole lot of trust in the system or faith in the system [by the Tillmans]. So that is my personal opinion, knowing what I know."
It something to see when a congressman asking a general if he thinks those comments are appropriate when talking about the most famous death from the current conflict. The congressman asked if there was not some charge to be brought against Kauzlarich, to which the general said he was unaware of an rule against such comments, and the congressman fired back with "what about conduct unbecoming an officer" to which the general had to shrug and look intently at the papers on his table.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
zinkyusa;600393 wrote: I have no doubt it is a cover up. For the life of me I can't figure what is wrong with telling the truth. There are nothing but hard feelings for the family and the Army looks like a bunch of fumblers.
I imagine someone in the chain of command wanted to make some propaganda points out of this and now they've been caught. I read or saw a report the other night that even Bush and Rumsfeld were appraised early on in the investigation that the truth was death caused by friendly fire and opted to do nothing...
Exactly, only Bush claims he never saw the memo. Sad part is, he might be genuine in not seeing the memo, but this administration has been scandal central, so I'm not sure if what he says is the truth or simply CYA on his part.
Friendly fire happens in war. We all know that, but whether a report is made public or not, I believe Pat's parents deserve to know exactly how their son died. Truthfully, I don't think those Rangers meant him any harm, it just happened. Fear, among other emotions can make you do strange things. Why any story was relayed to his family without an investigation is a mystery to me. Seems it would have been plausible to explain they were investigating and would report when they knew the details. It just makes it look like a cover-up whether it is or not. With Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the other winners in Washington, it's not so far-fetched to believe they were trying to hide the truth.
I imagine someone in the chain of command wanted to make some propaganda points out of this and now they've been caught. I read or saw a report the other night that even Bush and Rumsfeld were appraised early on in the investigation that the truth was death caused by friendly fire and opted to do nothing...
Exactly, only Bush claims he never saw the memo. Sad part is, he might be genuine in not seeing the memo, but this administration has been scandal central, so I'm not sure if what he says is the truth or simply CYA on his part.
Friendly fire happens in war. We all know that, but whether a report is made public or not, I believe Pat's parents deserve to know exactly how their son died. Truthfully, I don't think those Rangers meant him any harm, it just happened. Fear, among other emotions can make you do strange things. Why any story was relayed to his family without an investigation is a mystery to me. Seems it would have been plausible to explain they were investigating and would report when they knew the details. It just makes it look like a cover-up whether it is or not. With Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the other winners in Washington, it's not so far-fetched to believe they were trying to hide the truth.
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
Stitchmom;600801 wrote: Truthfully, I don't think those Rangers meant him any harm, it just happened. Fear, among other emotions can make you do strange things. Why any story was relayed to his family without an investigation is a mystery to me. Seems it would have been plausible to explain they were investigating and would report when they knew the details. It just makes it look like a cover-up whether it is or not. With Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the other winners in Washington, it's not so far-fetched to believe they were trying to hide the truth.
I note that the damage limitation continues. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6925316.stm reportsLt Gen Philip Kensinger guilty of deception and of making false statements about Cpl Tillman's death. Gen Kensinger, who was head of army special operations at the time of Cpl Tillman's death, will now be referred to a special review board for a possible demotion. Such a move would cut the former three-star general's retirement benefits. Six other senior officers have also been reprimanded over the affair.but none of those is General Abizaid. I maintained earlier in the thread that in my opinion - and I said why I thought it was so - General Abizaid gave a press conference knowing aspects of the friendly fire background and weaseling his words to avoid letting the facts out. If that's the case then he's subsequently lied to investigators. The White House has problems enough, this is Pentagon idiocy.
As to not meaning any harm, since the details of the army autopsy came into the public domain that's seemed less likely as well. Associated Press reported four days ago that:Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime
“The medical evidence did not match up with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators. The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.
[...]
Tillman’s mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19984732/
The AP report also notes that "Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments."
I note that the damage limitation continues. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6925316.stm reportsLt Gen Philip Kensinger guilty of deception and of making false statements about Cpl Tillman's death. Gen Kensinger, who was head of army special operations at the time of Cpl Tillman's death, will now be referred to a special review board for a possible demotion. Such a move would cut the former three-star general's retirement benefits. Six other senior officers have also been reprimanded over the affair.but none of those is General Abizaid. I maintained earlier in the thread that in my opinion - and I said why I thought it was so - General Abizaid gave a press conference knowing aspects of the friendly fire background and weaseling his words to avoid letting the facts out. If that's the case then he's subsequently lied to investigators. The White House has problems enough, this is Pentagon idiocy.
As to not meaning any harm, since the details of the army autopsy came into the public domain that's seemed less likely as well. Associated Press reported four days ago that:Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime
“The medical evidence did not match up with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators. The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.
[...]
Tillman’s mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19984732/
The AP report also notes that "Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments."
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Pat Tillman, and a failed Hollywood script.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee took evidence yesterday from Donald Rumsfeld and Generals Abizaid and Myers. Here's a clip of Chairman Waxman's Opening Statement:At our last hearing, Specialist Bryan O’Neal testified. Specialist O’Neal was standing next to Corporal Tillman during the firefight. He knew immediately that this was a case of friendly fire and described what happened in an eyewitness statement he submitted up his chain of command immediately after Corporal Tillman’s death. But Specialist O’Neal told us something else. After he submitted his statement, someone else rewrote it. This unnamed person made significant changes that transformed O’Neal’s account into an enemy attack. We still don’t know who did that and why he did it. We just know that although everyone on the ground knew this was a case of friendly fire, the American people and the Tillman family were told that Corporal Tillman was killed by the enemy. And that doesn’t make any sense.So, someone's eye in Washington has finally, even if only momentarily, drifted over the dishonorable authors of the press releases and the award citation. What I wrote in this thread two years ago was Who wrote that, out of interest? Another Ranger? Did he forget the fifth stanza of the Ranger Creed - "under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country."? and yesterday the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee finally caught up with me. I do hope they chase the issue.
General Richard Myers was head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time and he's one of those at the top who didn't have a responsibility to react to the friendly fire news, unlike General Abizaid. General Abizaid denies any awareness that friendly fire might have been involved until at least after May 7th - after the memorial service. I've argued earlier that he knew before April 30th, and that he can only have known, that there isn't the least chance he might not have known, and I've given my reasons. Not being liable to criticism, General Myers says freely that he knew before the end of April:Retired Gen. Richard Myers, former head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he learned of the likelihood of friendly fire toward the end of April but that it wasn't his responsibility to inform the White House or the Tillman family. "I don't think there's any regulation that would require me to do anything," said Myers.And Rumsfeld? He has no recollection. Hey - that was Ollie North's line wasn't it?"I know that I would not engage in a cover-up. I know that no one in the White House suggested such a thing to me. I know that the gentlemen sitting next to me are men of enormous integrity and would not participate in something like that."Why on earth are people still standing by this creature of darkness and protecting him? I doubt whether he did know, but it was his watch and he only didn't know because he deliberately surrounded himself with people who'd know better than to tell him anything so compromising. General Abizaid enjoyed no such luxury.
General Richard Myers was head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time and he's one of those at the top who didn't have a responsibility to react to the friendly fire news, unlike General Abizaid. General Abizaid denies any awareness that friendly fire might have been involved until at least after May 7th - after the memorial service. I've argued earlier that he knew before April 30th, and that he can only have known, that there isn't the least chance he might not have known, and I've given my reasons. Not being liable to criticism, General Myers says freely that he knew before the end of April:Retired Gen. Richard Myers, former head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he learned of the likelihood of friendly fire toward the end of April but that it wasn't his responsibility to inform the White House or the Tillman family. "I don't think there's any regulation that would require me to do anything," said Myers.And Rumsfeld? He has no recollection. Hey - that was Ollie North's line wasn't it?"I know that I would not engage in a cover-up. I know that no one in the White House suggested such a thing to me. I know that the gentlemen sitting next to me are men of enormous integrity and would not participate in something like that."Why on earth are people still standing by this creature of darkness and protecting him? I doubt whether he did know, but it was his watch and he only didn't know because he deliberately surrounded himself with people who'd know better than to tell him anything so compromising. General Abizaid enjoyed no such luxury.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.