After a lifetime of believing in God. I gave up the belief today. Oh, I always skirted the issue, as I couldnt make the jump from agnostic to atheist. I didnt want to be a heathen. Church never held any appeal for me. If anything, Ive avoided church goers, as Ive always found them to be mind controlled, and restricted in their awareness of spiritual things. I have always been engaged in a spiritual quest for understanding, and Ive sifted through doctrines and philosophys.. taking what Ive wanted, and discarding the rest. Through it all, Ive never been able to let go of " Him" the concept of a supreme being, and the childish notion that "he" was everywhere. Sort of watching over things, making decisions, doling out punishments and rewards. Ive never stopped saying " Thank you God" Ive always avoided taking " his" name in vain. Well, I finally understand... there isnt any him.
Ive lived and observed the unworthy gain wealth and power. Ive had enough of hearing that good people are stricken with terminal illnesses. Im weary of watching hard working, honest folk be beaten into the ground... struggling to survive, There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Life is a virtual mine field. Peppered with hardship, tradgedy, cruelty, and pain. I no longer believe that good things come to those who pray or who are kind. Every decision is up to us. The choices we make will dictate the lives we lead. Consequences are the result of only our own actions. Failure to be able to maintain a sound mind, in the face of adversity, results in a life void of comfort.
Now, dont get me wrong. Im not down on life. I still view it as a miracle. I still see it as a tremendous gift, and an opportunity for adventure, and joy.
Im simply admitting that I finally understand that I am at the helm of my own life alone. Whatever goes wrong, there isnt any master to blame, and there isnt any point in questioning why. Finally, I know that whatever my hearts desire is, Id better try to find it. I can strive to be the best person I can, and to live according to the values that are part of my heart and my concience... but those things will not keep me exempt from misfortune, failure, or heartache. This is a biggie for me. That final leap into the fire. Going on, for the rest of my life, really alone. Letting go of that last elusive hand, that hovered somewhere out of my realm of reality. Im not afraid. The scariest part of my realization is that I cannott go back. Its too late, now that I know.
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Ive pretty much always known it. I was afraid to say it. But as I said, its not so much applying the realization to my own life. Its more having been in a position to observe really good people getting the shaft. And from observing the often privledged lives led by the greedy, the vengeful, the bigoted, and the self serving.
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weeder;577174 wrote: I finally understand... there isnt any him. Ive lived and observed the unworthy gain wealth and power. Ive had enough of hearing that good people are stricken with terminal illnesses. Im weary of watching hard working, honest folk be beaten into the ground... struggling to survive, There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Life is a virtual mine field. Peppered with hardship, tradgedy, cruelty, and pain. I no longer believe that good things come to those who pray or who are kind.That's pretty good, Weeder, I'm impressed. I congratulate you. The number of times I find people saying "what goes around comes around" sickens me. Of course it doesn't balance out the pain of life or bring justice to the deprived as it suggests. The unfair and unkind end up on top of the heap far too often for it to be a rule of thumb and relying on pie-in-the-sky heavenly promises of bliss is a cop-out. The only justice is that nobody lives forever.
The most exciting book in the Bible bar none is The Book of Job and it's entirely concerned with the question of justice. Some bastard cheated by adding an extra fairy-tale ending in the last chapter where everything comes out right in the end and it's so blatantly an addition tagged on to reverse both the story and the moral. If you're not familiar with it (and it's a bugger to read, having such a complicated structure) the narrative is broken down on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job - if you can identify with Job himself then he gives you a point of view not unlike what you've written. The story sets out from the beginning that he's completely sinless, upright and good, and he gets trashed by life.
What The Book of Job concludes is that God's reasons are unfathomable and, for my part, while that may be true or not true it's not good enough. The moment you accept any notion of God as the "supreme being" who's "everywhere", completely powerful and interested in creation, then I think you've defined an evil monster. Islam tries to get round that by saying he's not personally interested in people. Islam and Christianity both try to get round it by offering Heaven as a prize worth any suffering to gain admission. Judaism has an interesting alternative (not all Judaism, but a significant undercurrent opinion) that the reason God's not evil is that he's powerless and broken, that the only way to improve the world is by selflessly picking up what few pieces you come across and getting them to work again. That makes far more sense to me.
At least you're thinking about it and prepared to step outside of popular opinion. I'm sure you've not reached the end of your search. If you can manage to keep the thread going it'll be an interesting exploration for more than just yourself. What you've written might look negative at first sight but I don't think it is at all.
The most exciting book in the Bible bar none is The Book of Job and it's entirely concerned with the question of justice. Some bastard cheated by adding an extra fairy-tale ending in the last chapter where everything comes out right in the end and it's so blatantly an addition tagged on to reverse both the story and the moral. If you're not familiar with it (and it's a bugger to read, having such a complicated structure) the narrative is broken down on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job - if you can identify with Job himself then he gives you a point of view not unlike what you've written. The story sets out from the beginning that he's completely sinless, upright and good, and he gets trashed by life.
What The Book of Job concludes is that God's reasons are unfathomable and, for my part, while that may be true or not true it's not good enough. The moment you accept any notion of God as the "supreme being" who's "everywhere", completely powerful and interested in creation, then I think you've defined an evil monster. Islam tries to get round that by saying he's not personally interested in people. Islam and Christianity both try to get round it by offering Heaven as a prize worth any suffering to gain admission. Judaism has an interesting alternative (not all Judaism, but a significant undercurrent opinion) that the reason God's not evil is that he's powerless and broken, that the only way to improve the world is by selflessly picking up what few pieces you come across and getting them to work again. That makes far more sense to me.
At least you're thinking about it and prepared to step outside of popular opinion. I'm sure you've not reached the end of your search. If you can manage to keep the thread going it'll be an interesting exploration for more than just yourself. What you've written might look negative at first sight but I don't think it is at all.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Spot... it is incredible that you refer to the book of Job. Back in the 70s, early into my spiritual quest... I joined a biblical research group. It was really a cult. But this scripture from the book of Job, is one that burned its way into my mind. I have cited it often, to others and to groups. Its always haunted me. " For that which I greatly feared, has come upon me. And that which I was afraid of, has come unto me." I think I have always known the truth.. deep down inside. I have to say that if conscience is what keeps men from doing evil, and that concience comes from an early belief in God.. then so be it. That is a good thing. It is exhilirating for me to know that the basic components of my own soul are solely mine. Its also frightening because realizing that there are no consequences for wrongful behavior.. opens up a whole new world of possibilities. The only thing that stops me from living a life like Robin Hoods, is fear of mans laws ,and the threat of incarceration.
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spot;577178 wrote: That's pretty good, Weeder, I'm impressed. I congratulate you. The number of times I find people saying "what goes around comes around" sickens me. Of course it doesn't balance out the pain of life or bring justice to the deprived as it suggests. The unfair and unkind end up on top of the heap far too often for it to be a rule of thumb and relying on pie-in-the-sky heavenly promises of bliss is a cop-out. The only justice is that nobody lives forever.
The most exciting book in the Bible bar none is The Book of Job and it's entirely concerned with the question of justice. Some bastard cheated by adding an extra fairy-tale ending in the last chapter where everything comes out right in the end and it's so blatantly an addition tagged on to reverse both the story and the moral. If you're not familiar with it (and it's a bugger to read, having such a complicated structure) the narrative is broken down on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job - if you can identify with Job himself then he gives you a point of view not unlike what you've written. The story sets out from the beginning that he's completely sinless, upright and good, and he gets trashed by life.
What The Book of Job concludes is that God's reasons are unfathomable and, for my part, while that may be true or not true it's not good enough. The moment you accept any notion of God as the "supreme being" who's "everywhere", completely powerful and interested in creation, then I think you've defined an evil monster. Islam tries to get round that by saying he's not personally interested in people. Islam and Christianity both try to get round it by offering Heaven as a prize worth any suffering to gain admission. Judaism has an interesting alternative (not all Judaism, but a significant undercurrent opinion) that the reason God's not evil is that he's powerless and broken, that the only way to improve the world is by selflessly picking up what few pieces you come across and getting them to work again. That makes far more sense to me.
At least you're thinking about it and prepared to step outside of popular opinion. I'm sure you've not reached the end of your search. If you can manage to keep the thread going it'll be an interesting exploration for more than just yourself. What you've written might look negative at first sight but I don't think it is at all.
well put fantastic post :-6 may god forgive you
just kidding that pretty much sums things up for me spotzilla
The most exciting book in the Bible bar none is The Book of Job and it's entirely concerned with the question of justice. Some bastard cheated by adding an extra fairy-tale ending in the last chapter where everything comes out right in the end and it's so blatantly an addition tagged on to reverse both the story and the moral. If you're not familiar with it (and it's a bugger to read, having such a complicated structure) the narrative is broken down on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job - if you can identify with Job himself then he gives you a point of view not unlike what you've written. The story sets out from the beginning that he's completely sinless, upright and good, and he gets trashed by life.
What The Book of Job concludes is that God's reasons are unfathomable and, for my part, while that may be true or not true it's not good enough. The moment you accept any notion of God as the "supreme being" who's "everywhere", completely powerful and interested in creation, then I think you've defined an evil monster. Islam tries to get round that by saying he's not personally interested in people. Islam and Christianity both try to get round it by offering Heaven as a prize worth any suffering to gain admission. Judaism has an interesting alternative (not all Judaism, but a significant undercurrent opinion) that the reason God's not evil is that he's powerless and broken, that the only way to improve the world is by selflessly picking up what few pieces you come across and getting them to work again. That makes far more sense to me.
At least you're thinking about it and prepared to step outside of popular opinion. I'm sure you've not reached the end of your search. If you can manage to keep the thread going it'll be an interesting exploration for more than just yourself. What you've written might look negative at first sight but I don't think it is at all.
well put fantastic post :-6 may god forgive you
just kidding that pretty much sums things up for me spotzilla
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PS I knew that the thread title would seem negative. I also knew it would draw the curious, and those with open minds to take a look. I will tell you that as many of us... everything I experience leads ultimately to decisions I make concerning life. I have experienced every kind of behavior displayed right here on this Forum. Ive often been apalled at the uplifting support of comments that to me were irrational. And so there is always the chance of losing the approval of some. But you put forth personal insights to be considered or discarded, and deal with the fall out.
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I was a Sunday School teacher until out 6 week old son was taken from us 43 years ago , that was when I gave up on him :-1
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I gave up God today
weeder;577187 wrote: The only thing that stops me from living a life like Robin Hoods, is fear of mans laws ,and the threat of incarceration.It's an odd thing, the way people talk about laws. The usual expression is "you can't do that, it's illegal", which misunderstands what "can't" means. If it's physically possible then of course you can, even while you're aware that there's a lawful penalty to be paid for doing it. There are definitely times, even in this country, when a principled response to circumstances is a deliberate illegal act. Beyond legal or illegal there's the attraction of doing the right thing. I find it even more attractive when there's no bully-God enforcing behaviour with "I even know what you're thinking, much less doing". It doesn't imply that I'll be any better or worse behaved. Throwing out an all-powerful God changes my motivation to a more honest one which isn't driven by self-interest.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
I gave up God today
Uncle Fester, can you feel warmth when tell you that your simple sentence shot directly to my heart, and moved me to respond?
How much more simple can it be, than man comforting man. Than in mumbling to the wind, hearing nothing in response, in times of great need.
I hear you.
How much more simple can it be, than man comforting man. Than in mumbling to the wind, hearing nothing in response, in times of great need.
I hear you.
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I think we are our own harshest critics.
If you live by standards that you set for yourself then, if there is a God, it shouldn't have much complaint with you.
If you live by standards that you set for yourself then, if there is a God, it shouldn't have much complaint with you.
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weeder:-6
I don't have a lot of time at the moment but the fact of the matter is, as a Christian, I do not believe in the God that you do not believe in.
Shalom
Ted:-6
I don't have a lot of time at the moment but the fact of the matter is, as a Christian, I do not believe in the God that you do not believe in.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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I can hardly add to what Ted stated, with brilliant succinctness.
my anguish over faith has been lifelong. i have troubled over the concept of god more than i wish i had. some of my sophomoric ramblings on the matter can be found in my 'journal' entry here on FG.
i vaccilate between knowing and not knowing that there is god. since god cannot be proved one way or the other, i'm left with a handful of sand at the end of my contemplations.
my wonderful kitty gracie died a few months ago, after bringing me 15 years of pure joy. my wonderful puppy tamsen died yesterday, after bringing me 14 years of pure joy. i am absolutely heartbroken, and i curse that living things must die. but it doesn't make me have more or less faith in god. because - as ted suggested - i don't believe in a corporealized god. in some ways that's the whole point of god - god's very nonexistence.
one of the most profoundly beautiful passages from the Dead Sea Scrolls, found in the Nag Hamadi scroll, is this:
Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
This sensibility that all things - we - are composed of god is perhaps what sustains me.
before tamsen left us yesterday, i sat crying next to her, and she leaned over and licked my face, licking my tears. my tears were within her when she died. when she is cremated, the salt of those tears will be among the ashes. those ashes will be scattered in a garden, and become nourishment for new living things. those things will contain her - and me.
perhaps the corporeal god is you, and me, and the stone, and the sky.
what does it mean to give up god? if it gives one's heart peace, who can argue? if it gives one's heart peace to believe in god, who can argue?
blech. ted said it better.
[Correction: The Nag Hamadi scrolls are not part of the Dead Sea scrolls - Nag Hamadi is in Egypt.]
my anguish over faith has been lifelong. i have troubled over the concept of god more than i wish i had. some of my sophomoric ramblings on the matter can be found in my 'journal' entry here on FG.
i vaccilate between knowing and not knowing that there is god. since god cannot be proved one way or the other, i'm left with a handful of sand at the end of my contemplations.
my wonderful kitty gracie died a few months ago, after bringing me 15 years of pure joy. my wonderful puppy tamsen died yesterday, after bringing me 14 years of pure joy. i am absolutely heartbroken, and i curse that living things must die. but it doesn't make me have more or less faith in god. because - as ted suggested - i don't believe in a corporealized god. in some ways that's the whole point of god - god's very nonexistence.
one of the most profoundly beautiful passages from the Dead Sea Scrolls, found in the Nag Hamadi scroll, is this:
Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
This sensibility that all things - we - are composed of god is perhaps what sustains me.
before tamsen left us yesterday, i sat crying next to her, and she leaned over and licked my face, licking my tears. my tears were within her when she died. when she is cremated, the salt of those tears will be among the ashes. those ashes will be scattered in a garden, and become nourishment for new living things. those things will contain her - and me.
perhaps the corporeal god is you, and me, and the stone, and the sky.
what does it mean to give up god? if it gives one's heart peace, who can argue? if it gives one's heart peace to believe in god, who can argue?
blech. ted said it better.
[Correction: The Nag Hamadi scrolls are not part of the Dead Sea scrolls - Nag Hamadi is in Egypt.]
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we have to remind are selves, What is god? Everyone has a different opion.
What is the meaning of life? Do not get me wrong here, I go to church once and awhile, I do not make it my life, But I am catholic. There are just questions you need to anwser before you can believe in anyone. Yeah, maybe I do use god as a scape goat, why did this happen and so on, but I feel that is up to a individual and no-one should tell you how you feel. That is all I want to say on this subject.
What is the meaning of life? Do not get me wrong here, I go to church once and awhile, I do not make it my life, But I am catholic. There are just questions you need to anwser before you can believe in anyone. Yeah, maybe I do use god as a scape goat, why did this happen and so on, but I feel that is up to a individual and no-one should tell you how you feel. That is all I want to say on this subject.
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We come in contact with spiritual forces and beings during the course of our lives. That is, if we are fiortunate enought to " go anywhere" at all. There has been tremendous healing for me, in times of strife, from grasping the hand of a good soul, or someone who has love for mankind. I have also looked into the eyes of those whose intent is pure evil. Every encounter alters my perception of living. Loving someone and letting them go, creates powerful energy, and food to continue the journey. When I say " go anywhere" I dont mean leaving on a trip. I mean using communication tools to go forth and connect with other humans. Sharing, comforting, laying down with a beloved pet, nestling in the fur, and sharing tears as Paul said.
Ive heard it said, many times that The Bible is a book that was written by very smart and spiritually aware men. A road map for living. A travel guide prepared to provide man with a more comfortable journey. " For God hath not promised us not the spirit of fear, but a sound mind" It is imperative that we face life fearlessly in order to gather up all of the good things, call them our own, and use them for fuel. The fuel carries us through the hard times. If we continue to read, and slowly grasp the concept that we are not going to live forever, we begin to understand that we must make good hay when the sunshines, because the blizzards will always come. If we have been fortunate and wise enough to have gathered good and loving ( and living) forces around us... there will be places to go, on earth for comfort.
Why do we get sick? And why do we die? Again, for every time there is a season. Read it, hear it, and acknowledge that it is true. No big mystery, and certainly not a punishment. Sometimes I plant 10 azaleas. 9 flourish and one gets sick. I spray it with chemicals. Sometimes it recovers and sometimes it doesnt. After saying what I did yesterday, I drove to work seeing the world with new eyes. Marveling at the realization that I have eyes. Little cameras. Is all of this that I am seeing " Real?' What is this? Where did it all come from? How long will I be able to see everything? And the thinking begins again.......................
Ive heard it said, many times that The Bible is a book that was written by very smart and spiritually aware men. A road map for living. A travel guide prepared to provide man with a more comfortable journey. " For God hath not promised us not the spirit of fear, but a sound mind" It is imperative that we face life fearlessly in order to gather up all of the good things, call them our own, and use them for fuel. The fuel carries us through the hard times. If we continue to read, and slowly grasp the concept that we are not going to live forever, we begin to understand that we must make good hay when the sunshines, because the blizzards will always come. If we have been fortunate and wise enough to have gathered good and loving ( and living) forces around us... there will be places to go, on earth for comfort.
Why do we get sick? And why do we die? Again, for every time there is a season. Read it, hear it, and acknowledge that it is true. No big mystery, and certainly not a punishment. Sometimes I plant 10 azaleas. 9 flourish and one gets sick. I spray it with chemicals. Sometimes it recovers and sometimes it doesnt. After saying what I did yesterday, I drove to work seeing the world with new eyes. Marveling at the realization that I have eyes. Little cameras. Is all of this that I am seeing " Real?' What is this? Where did it all come from? How long will I be able to see everything? And the thinking begins again.......................
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I think the biggest test of faith comes when we are at our most down, when life seems harsh, that it doesnt seem to have a pattern or when our minds reflect negatively to what life is dishing out.
I think this is where we are most tested. Are we really children of higher wisdom. I understand where you are coming from, but for me, if I can come out the other side with faith in my existence and the understandings I am coming to. If when all hell seems to be letting loose in or all around me and I still remain with faith..it is then I feel I am coming through.
We have lifes / Gods / Buddhas law to follow and gradually we enlightenen to it.
Give our practise a look in to. In life I couldnt find answers, there was always dead ends. Those things still exist yet seemingly there is that little something extra which allows me to cross over that thresh hold, allows me to get past that dead end.
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I think this is where we are most tested. Are we really children of higher wisdom. I understand where you are coming from, but for me, if I can come out the other side with faith in my existence and the understandings I am coming to. If when all hell seems to be letting loose in or all around me and I still remain with faith..it is then I feel I am coming through.
We have lifes / Gods / Buddhas law to follow and gradually we enlightenen to it.
Give our practise a look in to. In life I couldnt find answers, there was always dead ends. Those things still exist yet seemingly there is that little something extra which allows me to cross over that thresh hold, allows me to get past that dead end.
www.clearwisdom.net
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Please don't take me the wrong way. I believe in the reality of God. I attend church and worship on a very regular basis and at times am called upon to give a sermon. I've also been appointed to the Eucharistic ministry.
What I don't believe in is the God that weeder was describing. The Bible says that when we were children we saw things in a childlike way. When we become adults we see things differently. So it is now.
The biggest problem facing all faiths is the anthropomorphization of the divine mystery. I believe that the divine exists everywhere and yet is greater then that. We each contain a spark of the divine within us. We must learn to go inside to find that divinity that exists within our very heart. We do not find some being out there somewhere. We find the divine within.
We are currently participating in a workshop with twelve parts. It is called "Living the Questions" and it is an extremely powerful program.
The afterlife is a concept of many faiths. For those folks it really is a hope. Whatever the divine has in store for us is OK with me. One writer once said heaven is fine and in good shape. What we really nead to worry about is the here and now and as Luther said let God look after the future. That is God's purview.
Shalom
Ted:-6
What I don't believe in is the God that weeder was describing. The Bible says that when we were children we saw things in a childlike way. When we become adults we see things differently. So it is now.
The biggest problem facing all faiths is the anthropomorphization of the divine mystery. I believe that the divine exists everywhere and yet is greater then that. We each contain a spark of the divine within us. We must learn to go inside to find that divinity that exists within our very heart. We do not find some being out there somewhere. We find the divine within.
We are currently participating in a workshop with twelve parts. It is called "Living the Questions" and it is an extremely powerful program.
The afterlife is a concept of many faiths. For those folks it really is a hope. Whatever the divine has in store for us is OK with me. One writer once said heaven is fine and in good shape. What we really nead to worry about is the here and now and as Luther said let God look after the future. That is God's purview.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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Pinky:-6
Thanks. Yes I am well.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Thanks. Yes I am well.
Shalom
Ted:-6
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I read your message about giving up on God. I think at some time or another, a lot of us reached a breaking point where we felt abandoned by the Almighty.
Being the human beings that we are, sometimes it isn't easy to understand events which take place in our lives. It's true we have been given free choice but if the decisions are wrong, then we have to pay the consequences. Man sometimes has an ego that really gets in our way. What we think is right for us and we don't get it or our "prayers" are not answered exactly the way we want them to be, then it's God's fault. I cannot believe that!
One of man's greatest fault is false pride and vanity. Losing a loved one can be one of the greatest pains we can undergo, more especially losing a child. A parent losing a child is devastating. I have been a witness to such an event. It was terrible for those of us to witness the passing so I can't even imagine the pain and suffering of the parent.
Although there may be disagreement among us, my thinking is that everything works out for our betterment. Suffering through loss can make us more maleable and cause us to bend away from our own egos.
I believe that everything is a lesson for our good whether we see it that way or not. We have to look for the lesson and change direction which has been thrust upon each of us who has suffered great pain. Emerson
I read your message about giving up on God. I think at some time or another, a lot of us reached a breaking point where we felt abandoned by the Almighty.
Being the human beings that we are, sometimes it isn't easy to understand events which take place in our lives. It's true we have been given free choice but if the decisions are wrong, then we have to pay the consequences. Man sometimes has an ego that really gets in our way. What we think is right for us and we don't get it or our "prayers" are not answered exactly the way we want them to be, then it's God's fault. I cannot believe that!
One of man's greatest fault is false pride and vanity. Losing a loved one can be one of the greatest pains we can undergo, more especially losing a child. A parent losing a child is devastating. I have been a witness to such an event. It was terrible for those of us to witness the passing so I can't even imagine the pain and suffering of the parent.
Although there may be disagreement among us, my thinking is that everything works out for our betterment. Suffering through loss can make us more maleable and cause us to bend away from our own egos.
I believe that everything is a lesson for our good whether we see it that way or not. We have to look for the lesson and change direction which has been thrust upon each of us who has suffered great pain. Emerson
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every bit of logic in my head tells me there cannot be an invisible god ,that knows all ,sees all ,has always been there always before time began i mean if he or she made us who made him or her , yet things have happened that only an after life and peoples spirits or soul moving onto another plane of excistance could be the only explanation .... confused ..... i am :-5 :-5 it dont take much for me though does it :wah:
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magenta flame;613074 wrote: all I can say is that peeps have to make their own choices .....the only problem I have is the interpretation of Job ...I see it very differently. mah what ever I guess. to each his own.
whats work got to do with it:)
please explain MF
not about work that is a joke
whats work got to do with it:)
please explain MF
not about work that is a joke
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weeder;577174 wrote: After a lifetime of believing in God. I gave up the belief today. Oh, I always skirted the issue, as I couldnt make the jump from agnostic to atheist. I didnt want to be a heathen. Church never held any appeal for me. If anything, Ive avoided church goers, as Ive always found them to be mind controlled, and restricted in their awareness of spiritual things. I have always been engaged in a spiritual quest for understanding, and Ive sifted through doctrines and philosophys.. taking what Ive wanted, and discarding the rest. Through it all, Ive never been able to let go of " Him" the concept of a supreme being, and the childish notion that "he" was everywhere. Sort of watching over things, making decisions, doling out punishments and rewards. Ive never stopped saying " Thank you God" Ive always avoided taking " his" name in vain. Well, I finally understand... there isnt any him.
Ive lived and observed the unworthy gain wealth and power. Ive had enough of hearing that good people are stricken with terminal illnesses. Im weary of watching hard working, honest folk be beaten into the ground... struggling to survive, There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Life is a virtual mine field. Peppered with hardship, tradgedy, cruelty, and pain. I no longer believe that good things come to those who pray or who are kind. Every decision is up to us. The choices we make will dictate the lives we lead. Consequences are the result of only our own actions. Failure to be able to maintain a sound mind, in the face of adversity, results in a life void of comfort.
Now, dont get me wrong. Im not down on life. I still view it as a miracle. I still see it as a tremendous gift, and an opportunity for adventure, and joy.
Im simply admitting that I finally understand that I am at the helm of my own life alone. Whatever goes wrong, there isnt any master to blame, and there isnt any point in questioning why. Finally, I know that whatever my hearts desire is, Id better try to find it. I can strive to be the best person I can, and to live according to the values that are part of my heart and my concience... but those things will not keep me exempt from misfortune, failure, or heartache. This is a biggie for me. That final leap into the fire. Going on, for the rest of my life, really alone. Letting go of that last elusive hand, that hovered somewhere out of my realm of reality. Im not afraid. The scariest part of my realization is that I cannott go back. Its too late, now that I know.
GOOD FOR YOU
Ive lived and observed the unworthy gain wealth and power. Ive had enough of hearing that good people are stricken with terminal illnesses. Im weary of watching hard working, honest folk be beaten into the ground... struggling to survive, There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Life is a virtual mine field. Peppered with hardship, tradgedy, cruelty, and pain. I no longer believe that good things come to those who pray or who are kind. Every decision is up to us. The choices we make will dictate the lives we lead. Consequences are the result of only our own actions. Failure to be able to maintain a sound mind, in the face of adversity, results in a life void of comfort.
Now, dont get me wrong. Im not down on life. I still view it as a miracle. I still see it as a tremendous gift, and an opportunity for adventure, and joy.
Im simply admitting that I finally understand that I am at the helm of my own life alone. Whatever goes wrong, there isnt any master to blame, and there isnt any point in questioning why. Finally, I know that whatever my hearts desire is, Id better try to find it. I can strive to be the best person I can, and to live according to the values that are part of my heart and my concience... but those things will not keep me exempt from misfortune, failure, or heartache. This is a biggie for me. That final leap into the fire. Going on, for the rest of my life, really alone. Letting go of that last elusive hand, that hovered somewhere out of my realm of reality. Im not afraid. The scariest part of my realization is that I cannott go back. Its too late, now that I know.
GOOD FOR YOU
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double helix;613086 wrote: GOOD FOR YOU
wow that will teach me not to just jump in on the end of a thread
weeder i know exactly how you feel :-3 if your right or wrong i have no idea ,unfortunatly people who have lived their lives according to what really could be a 2000 year old comic , do not have the most open of minds ,they cannot even begin to think hey what if i'm wrong :-3
but there again we could be wrong :-3
wow that will teach me not to just jump in on the end of a thread
weeder i know exactly how you feel :-3 if your right or wrong i have no idea ,unfortunatly people who have lived their lives according to what really could be a 2000 year old comic , do not have the most open of minds ,they cannot even begin to think hey what if i'm wrong :-3
but there again we could be wrong :-3
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An update on my " I gave up God thread " It is note worthy for me to mention that in all the days following my post.... I continue, silently, to thank " Him" for everything. Now that spring has arrived, everytime I catch a glimpse of a hummingbird, see baby lambs on the side of the road, or baby deer standing on a lawn at sunrise... my heart skips a beat, and I wonder " where did you come from? And how blessed am I to be here, experiencing these wonderous things? And so, it seems, my quest for enlightenment and understanding continues..... and Im certain, it will until the moment I close my eyes for the last time. As someone who has prided themself for going it alone, and being tough... It seems I may not have the courage to let go of the invisable, elusive hand that has guided my existence for so long. We will see.....................
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EmersonBashier;612978 wrote: [/COLOR]
I read your message about giving up on God. I think at some time or another, a lot of us reached a breaking point where we felt abandoned by the Almighty.
Being the human beings that we are, sometimes it isn't easy to understand events which take place in our lives. It's true we have been given free choice but if the decisions are wrong, then we have to pay the consequences. Man sometimes has an ego that really gets in our way. What we think is right for us and we don't get it or our "prayers" are not answered exactly the way we want them to be, then it's God's fault. I cannot believe that!
One of man's greatest fault is false pride and vanity. Losing a loved one can be one of the greatest pains we can undergo, more especially losing a child. A parent losing a child is devastating. I have been a witness to such an event. It was terrible for those of us to witness the passing so I can't even imagine the pain and suffering of the parent.
Although there may be disagreement among us, my thinking is that everything works out for our betterment. Suffering through loss can make us more maleable and cause us to bend away from our own egos.
I believe that everything is a lesson for our good whether we see it that way or not. We have to look for the lesson and change direction which has been thrust upon each of us who has suffered great pain. Emerson
Like Uncle Fester, and probably a good many others that come on here, i too have lost a child. I couldnt see a reason why, or a lesson in it, and still cant really. I asked the same questions, why me? i have always tried to concsiously live a good life and be a decent person. All my babies were planned and wanted. I eventually made myself feel a bit easier by coming to the conclusion, if there is a god he gave us free will, its up to us to look out for each other. Bad things happen and they are not for punishment. Basically i shifted my need to blame on to the doctors.
I have found this thread very interesting, and i think im still a hoverer. But i cant get round the idea that the terrible things that happen to some people, have happened for a reason? Sorry if this is a bit rambling, im finding it difficult to express myself.
I read your message about giving up on God. I think at some time or another, a lot of us reached a breaking point where we felt abandoned by the Almighty.
Being the human beings that we are, sometimes it isn't easy to understand events which take place in our lives. It's true we have been given free choice but if the decisions are wrong, then we have to pay the consequences. Man sometimes has an ego that really gets in our way. What we think is right for us and we don't get it or our "prayers" are not answered exactly the way we want them to be, then it's God's fault. I cannot believe that!
One of man's greatest fault is false pride and vanity. Losing a loved one can be one of the greatest pains we can undergo, more especially losing a child. A parent losing a child is devastating. I have been a witness to such an event. It was terrible for those of us to witness the passing so I can't even imagine the pain and suffering of the parent.
Although there may be disagreement among us, my thinking is that everything works out for our betterment. Suffering through loss can make us more maleable and cause us to bend away from our own egos.
I believe that everything is a lesson for our good whether we see it that way or not. We have to look for the lesson and change direction which has been thrust upon each of us who has suffered great pain. Emerson
Like Uncle Fester, and probably a good many others that come on here, i too have lost a child. I couldnt see a reason why, or a lesson in it, and still cant really. I asked the same questions, why me? i have always tried to concsiously live a good life and be a decent person. All my babies were planned and wanted. I eventually made myself feel a bit easier by coming to the conclusion, if there is a god he gave us free will, its up to us to look out for each other. Bad things happen and they are not for punishment. Basically i shifted my need to blame on to the doctors.
I have found this thread very interesting, and i think im still a hoverer. But i cant get round the idea that the terrible things that happen to some people, have happened for a reason? Sorry if this is a bit rambling, im finding it difficult to express myself.
FOC THREAD PART1
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
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kazalala;613125 wrote: Like Uncle Fester, and probably a good many others that come on here, i too have lost a child. I couldnt see a reason why, or a lesson in it, and still cant really. I asked the same questions, why me? i have always tried to concsiously live a good life and be a decent person. All my babies were planned and wanted. I eventually made myself feel a bit easier by coming to the conclusion, if there is a god he gave us free will, its up to us to look out for each other. Bad things happen and they are not for punishment. Basically i shifted my need to blame on to the doctors.
I have found this thread very interesting, and i think im still a hoverer. But i cant get round the idea that the terrible things that happen to some people, have happened for a reason? Sorry if this is a bit rambling, im finding it difficult to express myself.
sorry to hear that kazalala
i too have known the all consuming grief of losing a child ,but i dont think thats why i question if there is one almighty god above , it just dont make sense to me ,i used to believe in father christmas till it made no sense , i used to believe in the tooth fairy till i come to realise it just dont add up ,and now i reason that no god could possibly exist , what with fossels of ape men and such it just dont add up , if people take comfort in their faith i envy them i really do :-6
I have found this thread very interesting, and i think im still a hoverer. But i cant get round the idea that the terrible things that happen to some people, have happened for a reason? Sorry if this is a bit rambling, im finding it difficult to express myself.
sorry to hear that kazalala
i too have known the all consuming grief of losing a child ,but i dont think thats why i question if there is one almighty god above , it just dont make sense to me ,i used to believe in father christmas till it made no sense , i used to believe in the tooth fairy till i come to realise it just dont add up ,and now i reason that no god could possibly exist , what with fossels of ape men and such it just dont add up , if people take comfort in their faith i envy them i really do :-6
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jimbo;613134 wrote: sorry to hear that kazalala
i too have known the all consuming grief of losing a child ,but i dont think thats why i question if there is one almighty god above , it just dont make sense to me ,i used to believe in father christmas till it made no sense , i used to believe in the tooth fairy till i come to realise it just dont add up ,and now i reason that no god could possibly exist , what with fossels of ape men and such it just dont add up , if people take comfort in their faith i envy them i really do :-6
And u jimbo:-4
I think thats why i found it difficult to express myself properly about this, im still not quite sure:-2 I get like that sometimes lol, and now my brain is hurting:wah:
i too have known the all consuming grief of losing a child ,but i dont think thats why i question if there is one almighty god above , it just dont make sense to me ,i used to believe in father christmas till it made no sense , i used to believe in the tooth fairy till i come to realise it just dont add up ,and now i reason that no god could possibly exist , what with fossels of ape men and such it just dont add up , if people take comfort in their faith i envy them i really do :-6
And u jimbo:-4
I think thats why i found it difficult to express myself properly about this, im still not quite sure:-2 I get like that sometimes lol, and now my brain is hurting:wah:
FOC THREAD PART1
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
Martin Luther King Jr.
I gave up God today
wow there is a beautiful flower its a miracle see that proves god made it :rolleyes:
see some nice animals oh god made them :rolleyes:
look around you god is everywhere :rolleyes:
glad we had this grown up debate i feel totally reassured :rolleyes:
see some nice animals oh god made them :rolleyes:
look around you god is everywhere :rolleyes:
glad we had this grown up debate i feel totally reassured :rolleyes:
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magenta flame;613736 wrote: wow how simple.
No I look at the flower and concentrate on it's chemical makeup, I look at an animal and wonder of it's biology I look at the universe i see each night and wonder about it. JOB 26:7 speaks of god as "hanging the earth upon nothing" How did they know that back then? It's not possible. How'd they get that information?
You want to be reassured ? By whom do you need this reassurance? Do you need God to stand in front of you, and say "here ya go Jimbo since you were blind to everything else I hope my presence proves it to you"
ha ha i was just waiting for exactly this response :wah: :wah:
would be nice though huh :-6
No I look at the flower and concentrate on it's chemical makeup, I look at an animal and wonder of it's biology I look at the universe i see each night and wonder about it. JOB 26:7 speaks of god as "hanging the earth upon nothing" How did they know that back then? It's not possible. How'd they get that information?
You want to be reassured ? By whom do you need this reassurance? Do you need God to stand in front of you, and say "here ya go Jimbo since you were blind to everything else I hope my presence proves it to you"
ha ha i was just waiting for exactly this response :wah: :wah:
would be nice though huh :-6
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almostfamous;613716 wrote: I don't quite understand your eye-rollin there Jimbo. Actually, much of this post left me rolling my own eyes. May I receive some clarification? Or could I simply assume it's fair to state you don't believe in God 
i'd like to know there is a god honest ,its just the posts about there is a flower its a miricle see thats proof of god thing :wah:
Or could I simply assume it's fair to state you don't believe in God 
i'd like to know there is a god honest ,its just the posts about there is a flower its a miricle see thats proof of god thing :wah:
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the trouble with talking to the god squad about god ,faith and everything is they get so heated and wont listen to any thing other than what they think is right ,i on the other hand have an open mind and would really love some one to convince me of a god ,so i am laid back and just saying what i think every one in the god squad see me as personaly attacking their god ,not much chance of a nice chat really is there :wah:
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I posted a message this morning but I don't think I posted it correctly. First, let me thank you for your replies. They were appreciated.
The message I was trying to post had to do with an incident that happened to me involving an angelic visitation. I had given up on God. I was so weary with these preachy people who were so self righteous. None of their "do-gooding" attitude helped me one bit.
I have attained a reasonable measure of success in my life in all areas but there was something always missing but I couldn't explain what it was. There was a gnawing deep down inside of me I couldn't explain.
I saw so many tragedies happen to other people I thought didn't deserve it and for that reason, I just gave up on God. Yes, I was being judgmental but I didn't realize it at the time. I thought, to Hell with it! If there is a God, give me some sort of a sign not just a bunch of the so-called self-righteous people telling me what to do according to their standards. Sooooooo, I gave up on God!
Then I had the experience. I saw an angel. It appeared before me in such radiance and it was not my imagination because I'm a hard-core realist. The angel didn't say anything that I remember, just stood there shimmering. Suddenly, the angel disappeared. WOW! What an experience that way!
I was discussing this with family and friends and I think they thought I had "lost it." I'm not on drugs and I'm not a drinker so I had no excuse regarding hallucinating. I KNOW I SAW AN ANGEL!
One day, a friend of mine told me of a book he had bought and read and suggested I obtain a copy of it and read it with an open mind. I ordered it on Amazon.com and read the book. I'm an avid reader but I have never read anything like this before. It was fantastic. I needed some guidance and this book did it. It is a self help book although it gives the impression it is a book on religion or some religious belief but it definitely is NOT.
I'm not here to advertise anything but I have to share what really put my thinking straight. The book is written by a lady who died, placed in the hospital morgue and covered with a sheet. In the book, she describes in great detail what happened to her, what she saw, who she saw and everything else in between. She shows how science, philosophy and religion are all one and we are part of that one-ness. The book is called, A Life After Death Experience. I found the website so if you want to visit it, you'll get a better idea of what she is recounting. The website is, "A Life After Death Experience Book.com."
Check it out and tell me what you think. Emerson
The message I was trying to post had to do with an incident that happened to me involving an angelic visitation. I had given up on God. I was so weary with these preachy people who were so self righteous. None of their "do-gooding" attitude helped me one bit.
I have attained a reasonable measure of success in my life in all areas but there was something always missing but I couldn't explain what it was. There was a gnawing deep down inside of me I couldn't explain.
I saw so many tragedies happen to other people I thought didn't deserve it and for that reason, I just gave up on God. Yes, I was being judgmental but I didn't realize it at the time. I thought, to Hell with it! If there is a God, give me some sort of a sign not just a bunch of the so-called self-righteous people telling me what to do according to their standards. Sooooooo, I gave up on God!
Then I had the experience. I saw an angel. It appeared before me in such radiance and it was not my imagination because I'm a hard-core realist. The angel didn't say anything that I remember, just stood there shimmering. Suddenly, the angel disappeared. WOW! What an experience that way!
I was discussing this with family and friends and I think they thought I had "lost it." I'm not on drugs and I'm not a drinker so I had no excuse regarding hallucinating. I KNOW I SAW AN ANGEL!
One day, a friend of mine told me of a book he had bought and read and suggested I obtain a copy of it and read it with an open mind. I ordered it on Amazon.com and read the book. I'm an avid reader but I have never read anything like this before. It was fantastic. I needed some guidance and this book did it. It is a self help book although it gives the impression it is a book on religion or some religious belief but it definitely is NOT.
I'm not here to advertise anything but I have to share what really put my thinking straight. The book is written by a lady who died, placed in the hospital morgue and covered with a sheet. In the book, she describes in great detail what happened to her, what she saw, who she saw and everything else in between. She shows how science, philosophy and religion are all one and we are part of that one-ness. The book is called, A Life After Death Experience. I found the website so if you want to visit it, you'll get a better idea of what she is recounting. The website is, "A Life After Death Experience Book.com."
Check it out and tell me what you think. Emerson
I gave up God today
Kathy Ellen;614630 wrote: Emerson,
I'm happy that you saw an angel... and I believe you. That is so special.
It is so nice to believe in an afterlife because you know that you'll see your loved ones there, But, for me, life is just over when it's over. Guess I'm just not a believer. How can we believe in a God when no one has seen this God? I'm just tired of people telling me to just look around at the beauty of the world and you will believe. This is not proof. I don't know any answers as to whether God exists, but neither does any one else.
Very well said. I hate bible bashers who insist he exists. I believe in afterlife but as you said, where is the real proof that there is a god?
I'm happy that you saw an angel... and I believe you. That is so special.
It is so nice to believe in an afterlife because you know that you'll see your loved ones there, But, for me, life is just over when it's over. Guess I'm just not a believer. How can we believe in a God when no one has seen this God? I'm just tired of people telling me to just look around at the beauty of the world and you will believe. This is not proof. I don't know any answers as to whether God exists, but neither does any one else.
Very well said. I hate bible bashers who insist he exists. I believe in afterlife but as you said, where is the real proof that there is a god?
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Friends, I would like to share my story with you. There is no other way I can share what happened to me without giving some details which brought it about.
I am a reasonably successful individual in all areas of my life and life seemed pretty good. I didn't have any complaints really. However, every once in a while I would get a deep yearning inside of me, something I couldn't explain. I would pass it off as maybe imagination. But that gnawing would always return, not often at first. After a while, it happened more frequently. What was it, I thought? What was bothering me that I couldn't explain to myself. It was like a deep yearning from within my soul. My soul? Why would I be suffering from my soul? I didn't even know where my soul was! I had been taught we had a soul but I never found mine.
Late one evening, I was sitting alone away from everyone. Everything was quiet and peaceful. I rested my head against the chair's headrest, closed my eyes and relaxes. Suddenly, like the crash of a thunderbolt and a flash of light which filled the room, I opened my eyes with a start. There standing before me was a celestial being in a brilliant radiance floating before me. The being stood before me for about ten seconds and then disappeared. I was absolutely dumbfounded. I couldn't even speak from the episode. Why was I seeing an angel? What was the message?
I am not a drug user nor a drinker. Why was this happening? I kept asking myself over and over and over again. For weeks I walked around in a daze. I wouldn't tell anyone about the experience for fear of ridicule. I kept it to myself.
Then one day I opened up to a dear friend of mine and told him what had happened to me. Oddly, he understood. He told me of a book a lady had written who had died in an emergency room, placed in the hospital morgue and covered with a sheet. He went on the tell me this lady after spending a long period of time in the morgue, rose, went into the common area of the hospital, alive and completely healed. She describes what happened to her immediately following her demise; that she had also visited the Afterlife and was told many things.
Although this is not a book on religion, she claims the book is written under Divine Command to erase superstitution, misconceptions, dogma and fear.
I got a copy of the book as my friend suggested and read it. WOW! What an eye-opener! The book explains how to eliminate low self-esteem; renew self-confidence; that science, philosophy and religion are all one and the same and we are all a part of it. She explains angels, exocisms, the methods of healing, inspiration, cognition, telepathy and the list goes on and on.
I'm not here to advertise anything. I know what helped me and I wanted to share it with you. The book can be bought at bookstores, Amazon.com or you can visit the website where there is more information. The name of the book is, A Life After Death Experience, by Elizabeth Jean Levy or, A LifeAfterDeathExperienceBook.com. She not only explains each subject but gives a step-by-step guide on how to accomplish each goal.
I hope the sharing of my story helps each of you. This book changed my life. I see everything differently now with new eyes and a whole new outlook on life. If you never read another thing in your life, you have to read this book. Emerson
I am a reasonably successful individual in all areas of my life and life seemed pretty good. I didn't have any complaints really. However, every once in a while I would get a deep yearning inside of me, something I couldn't explain. I would pass it off as maybe imagination. But that gnawing would always return, not often at first. After a while, it happened more frequently. What was it, I thought? What was bothering me that I couldn't explain to myself. It was like a deep yearning from within my soul. My soul? Why would I be suffering from my soul? I didn't even know where my soul was! I had been taught we had a soul but I never found mine.
Late one evening, I was sitting alone away from everyone. Everything was quiet and peaceful. I rested my head against the chair's headrest, closed my eyes and relaxes. Suddenly, like the crash of a thunderbolt and a flash of light which filled the room, I opened my eyes with a start. There standing before me was a celestial being in a brilliant radiance floating before me. The being stood before me for about ten seconds and then disappeared. I was absolutely dumbfounded. I couldn't even speak from the episode. Why was I seeing an angel? What was the message?
I am not a drug user nor a drinker. Why was this happening? I kept asking myself over and over and over again. For weeks I walked around in a daze. I wouldn't tell anyone about the experience for fear of ridicule. I kept it to myself.
Then one day I opened up to a dear friend of mine and told him what had happened to me. Oddly, he understood. He told me of a book a lady had written who had died in an emergency room, placed in the hospital morgue and covered with a sheet. He went on the tell me this lady after spending a long period of time in the morgue, rose, went into the common area of the hospital, alive and completely healed. She describes what happened to her immediately following her demise; that she had also visited the Afterlife and was told many things.
Although this is not a book on religion, she claims the book is written under Divine Command to erase superstitution, misconceptions, dogma and fear.
I got a copy of the book as my friend suggested and read it. WOW! What an eye-opener! The book explains how to eliminate low self-esteem; renew self-confidence; that science, philosophy and religion are all one and the same and we are all a part of it. She explains angels, exocisms, the methods of healing, inspiration, cognition, telepathy and the list goes on and on.
I'm not here to advertise anything. I know what helped me and I wanted to share it with you. The book can be bought at bookstores, Amazon.com or you can visit the website where there is more information. The name of the book is, A Life After Death Experience, by Elizabeth Jean Levy or, A LifeAfterDeathExperienceBook.com. She not only explains each subject but gives a step-by-step guide on how to accomplish each goal.
I hope the sharing of my story helps each of you. This book changed my life. I see everything differently now with new eyes and a whole new outlook on life. If you never read another thing in your life, you have to read this book. Emerson
I gave up God today
Pinky;614641 wrote: Gave up God mmm? Never heard of that brand before. Are they menthol?:D
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EmersonBashier;614658 wrote: Friends, I would like to share my story with you. There is no other way I can share what happened to me without giving some details which brought it about.
I am a reasonably successful individual in all areas of my life and life seemed pretty good. I didn't have any complaints really. However, every once in a while I would get a deep yearning inside of me, something I couldn't explain. I would pass it off as maybe imagination. But that gnawing would always return, not often at first. After a while, it happened more frequently. What was it, I thought? What was bothering me that I couldn't explain to myself. It was like a deep yearning from within my soul. My soul? Why would I be suffering from my soul? I didn't even know where my soul was! I had been taught we had a soul but I never found mine.
Late one evening, I was sitting alone away from everyone. Everything was quiet and peaceful. I rested my head against the chair's headrest, closed my eyes and relaxes. Suddenly, like the crash of a thunderbolt and a flash of light which filled the room, I opened my eyes with a start. There standing before me was a celestial being in a brilliant radiance floating before me. The being stood before me for about ten seconds and then disappeared. I was absolutely dumbfounded. I couldn't even speak from the episode. Why was I seeing an angel? What was the message?
I am not a drug user nor a drinker. Why was this happening? I kept asking myself over and over and over again. For weeks I walked around in a daze. I wouldn't tell anyone about the experience for fear of ridicule. I kept it to myself.
Then one day I opened up to a dear friend of mine and told him what had happened to me. Oddly, he understood. He told me of a book a lady had written who had died in an emergency room, placed in the hospital morgue and covered with a sheet. He went on the tell me this lady after spending a long period of time in the morgue, rose, went into the common area of the hospital, alive and completely healed. She describes what happened to her immediately following her demise; that she had also visited the Afterlife and was told many things.
Although this is not a book on religion, she claims the book is written under Divine Command to erase superstitution, misconceptions, dogma and fear.
I got a copy of the book as my friend suggested and read it. WOW! What an eye-opener! The book explains how to eliminate low self-esteem; renew self-confidence; that science, philosophy and religion are all one and the same and we are all a part of it. She explains angels, exocisms, the methods of healing, inspiration, cognition, telepathy and the list goes on and on.
I'm not here to advertise anything. I know what helped me and I wanted to share it with you. The book can be bought at bookstores, Amazon.com or you can visit the website where there is more information. The name of the book is, A Life After Death Experience, by Elizabeth Jean Levy or, A LifeAfterDeathExperienceBook.com. She not only explains each subject but gives a step-by-step guide on how to accomplish each goal.
I hope the sharing of my story helps each of you. This book changed my life. I see everything differently now with new eyes and a whole new outlook on life. If you never read another thing in your life, you have to read this book. Emerson
That actually sounds interesting, I'll see if I can download a copy, thank you.
I am a reasonably successful individual in all areas of my life and life seemed pretty good. I didn't have any complaints really. However, every once in a while I would get a deep yearning inside of me, something I couldn't explain. I would pass it off as maybe imagination. But that gnawing would always return, not often at first. After a while, it happened more frequently. What was it, I thought? What was bothering me that I couldn't explain to myself. It was like a deep yearning from within my soul. My soul? Why would I be suffering from my soul? I didn't even know where my soul was! I had been taught we had a soul but I never found mine.
Late one evening, I was sitting alone away from everyone. Everything was quiet and peaceful. I rested my head against the chair's headrest, closed my eyes and relaxes. Suddenly, like the crash of a thunderbolt and a flash of light which filled the room, I opened my eyes with a start. There standing before me was a celestial being in a brilliant radiance floating before me. The being stood before me for about ten seconds and then disappeared. I was absolutely dumbfounded. I couldn't even speak from the episode. Why was I seeing an angel? What was the message?
I am not a drug user nor a drinker. Why was this happening? I kept asking myself over and over and over again. For weeks I walked around in a daze. I wouldn't tell anyone about the experience for fear of ridicule. I kept it to myself.
Then one day I opened up to a dear friend of mine and told him what had happened to me. Oddly, he understood. He told me of a book a lady had written who had died in an emergency room, placed in the hospital morgue and covered with a sheet. He went on the tell me this lady after spending a long period of time in the morgue, rose, went into the common area of the hospital, alive and completely healed. She describes what happened to her immediately following her demise; that she had also visited the Afterlife and was told many things.
Although this is not a book on religion, she claims the book is written under Divine Command to erase superstitution, misconceptions, dogma and fear.
I got a copy of the book as my friend suggested and read it. WOW! What an eye-opener! The book explains how to eliminate low self-esteem; renew self-confidence; that science, philosophy and religion are all one and the same and we are all a part of it. She explains angels, exocisms, the methods of healing, inspiration, cognition, telepathy and the list goes on and on.
I'm not here to advertise anything. I know what helped me and I wanted to share it with you. The book can be bought at bookstores, Amazon.com or you can visit the website where there is more information. The name of the book is, A Life After Death Experience, by Elizabeth Jean Levy or, A LifeAfterDeathExperienceBook.com. She not only explains each subject but gives a step-by-step guide on how to accomplish each goal.
I hope the sharing of my story helps each of you. This book changed my life. I see everything differently now with new eyes and a whole new outlook on life. If you never read another thing in your life, you have to read this book. Emerson
That actually sounds interesting, I'll see if I can download a copy, thank you.
I gave up God today
magenta flame;613582 wrote: weeder I know the Bible probably doesn't mean a lot to you but there is something written in it that holds me together.
"Keep searching and you will find, keep asking and you shall recieve"
I think sometimes people want the simple answers when it comes to God. Like they'll find him under a burning bush or something. People want God to be some kind of Father Christmas giving them everything they want when they want it.
It's my understanding that god will not interfere until the time he has to. Does that mean we all lie back and run the world into the gutter for him to come along and fix it up? No. We clean up our own house and backyard to give him less to do when the appointed time comes. If everyone did this the world would be a much better place, but we don't and then we blame god.
I'm feeling your frustration may stem from looking around you and seeing injustices and evil. We've all made our own injustices as a human race maybe it's about time we turned that around a little. You don't need a religion to do that.
When was the last time a complete stranger was kind to you? When was the last time you were kind to a complete stranger?
when ever I've been in a crisis and have called out to god I get a picture in my head of starving war torn millions in Africa, child sex slaves in India, Earthquake survivors, a small child in Iraq who doesn't understand why things suddenly blow up and many more things . Maybe that's how god wants me to think I don't know. I dont' need to be blessed by any supernatural being. I've already been blessed I shouldn't ask for anything more, except maybe for guidence when I run out of ideas in harder times.
To me God shows us everyday that he exists I don't need to question it.
Maybe just an appreciation of his existance is enough .
Magenta, I was a biblical research student in the early 70's. There are scriptures I learned back then, that are still part of my heart today.
" For God hath not promised us the spirit of fear, but a sound mind"
The thing which I greatly feared has cme upon me, and that which I was afraid of has come unto me. The Bible, for me, is a road map for keys to living happily, simply, and a rule book for avoiding pain.
Almost Famous... I read the Screw Tape Letters many years ago, and am very familiar with CS Lewis.
By the way in August of 2005 I was healed of malignant melanoma. I know the exact moment this miracle took place. I remember it every day. My spiritual exploration is a journey I take quite seriously. And the existence of " My God" is something I think about every day.
"Keep searching and you will find, keep asking and you shall recieve"
I think sometimes people want the simple answers when it comes to God. Like they'll find him under a burning bush or something. People want God to be some kind of Father Christmas giving them everything they want when they want it.
It's my understanding that god will not interfere until the time he has to. Does that mean we all lie back and run the world into the gutter for him to come along and fix it up? No. We clean up our own house and backyard to give him less to do when the appointed time comes. If everyone did this the world would be a much better place, but we don't and then we blame god.
I'm feeling your frustration may stem from looking around you and seeing injustices and evil. We've all made our own injustices as a human race maybe it's about time we turned that around a little. You don't need a religion to do that.
When was the last time a complete stranger was kind to you? When was the last time you were kind to a complete stranger?
when ever I've been in a crisis and have called out to god I get a picture in my head of starving war torn millions in Africa, child sex slaves in India, Earthquake survivors, a small child in Iraq who doesn't understand why things suddenly blow up and many more things . Maybe that's how god wants me to think I don't know. I dont' need to be blessed by any supernatural being. I've already been blessed I shouldn't ask for anything more, except maybe for guidence when I run out of ideas in harder times.
To me God shows us everyday that he exists I don't need to question it.
Maybe just an appreciation of his existance is enough .
Magenta, I was a biblical research student in the early 70's. There are scriptures I learned back then, that are still part of my heart today.
" For God hath not promised us the spirit of fear, but a sound mind"
The thing which I greatly feared has cme upon me, and that which I was afraid of has come unto me. The Bible, for me, is a road map for keys to living happily, simply, and a rule book for avoiding pain.
Almost Famous... I read the Screw Tape Letters many years ago, and am very familiar with CS Lewis.
By the way in August of 2005 I was healed of malignant melanoma. I know the exact moment this miracle took place. I remember it every day. My spiritual exploration is a journey I take quite seriously. And the existence of " My God" is something I think about every day.
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