English Food Cooking

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:16 pm

No offense mean't to my U.K. friends and rellys, but when is the last time you heard someone say "Let's go out to dinner and have a good ole English meal"?

Answer----NEVER

Chinese, Indian, Thai, French, Italian, Vietnamese, Japanese, Greek, even German, Hungarian and Turkish, but never English. I am of English backround, but find the food bland for the most part. Beef Wellington? OK, fish and chips OK, but everything else ugh!!!

And Haggis???? Erp!!

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:18 pm

Lon;630814 wrote: No offense mean't to my U.K. friends and rellys, but when is the last time you heard someone say "Let's go out to dinner and have a good ole English meal"?

Answer----NEVER

Chinese, Indian, Thai, French, Italian, Vietnamese, Japanese, Greek, even German, Hungarian and Turkish, but never English. I am of English backround, but find the food bland for the most part. Beef Wellington? OK, fish and chips OK, but everything else ugh!!!

And Haggis???? Erp!!

Ahhhh - HOW COULD YOU !!!!!

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:19 pm

how about panche

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:19 pm

For those times when you get a craving for gruel that just wont go away its nice to know its out there.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:20 pm

el guapo;630820 wrote: how about panche

??????

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:20 pm

ThePheasant;630823 wrote: ??????

ah ya dont know but does lon

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:22 pm

el guapo;630826 wrote: ah ya dont know but does lon

Hehehe - getting all cryptic - I wonder why :wah:

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:30 pm

ya would not like it

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:33 pm

Nomad;630822 wrote: For those times when you get a craving for gruel that just wont go away its nice to know its out there.

:yh_rotfl Classic:wah:

dubs · Post by **dubs** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:44 pm

If people insist on clinging to this, old, old stereotype, about English food, then they're are denying themselves some fine eating! If I want bland, I go to Mc Ds!

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:46 pm

dubs;630905 wrote: If people insist on clinging to this, old, old stereotype, about English food, then they're are denying themselves some fine eating! If I want bland, I go to Mc Ds!
I sure hope you are not judging American cuisine by Mc D's:D

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:49 pm

el guapo;630826 wrote: ah ya dont know but does lon

No sabe panche senor.

dubs · Post by **dubs** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:51 pm

YZGI;630908 wrote: I sure hope you are not judging American cuisine by Mc D's:D

Absolutely not! I don't judge other countries foods, without trying them. But it pisses me off when it always seems to be open season, on English food!

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:53 pm

dubs;630905 wrote: If people insist on clinging to this, old, old stereotype, about English food, then they're are denying themselves some fine eating! If I want bland, I go to Mc Ds!

Name one Internationally known 5 Star English Eatery outside of the U.K. It's no stereotype mate.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:54 pm

dubs;630932 wrote: Absolutely not! I don't judge other countries foods, without trying them. But it pisses me off when it always seems to be open season, on English food!

Theres more where that came from.

Kidneys & Wild mushrooms on Toast (2)

Category: Offal

Country: England

Ingredients...

4 slices sourdough bread, or similar

6 oz wild mushrooms, cleaned

3 lambs kidneys

1 tbsp plain flour

1 oz unsalted butter

¼ tsp cayenne pepper

½ tsp mustard powder

1½ oz salted butter

1 tbsp chopped curly leaf parsley

salt & black pepper

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:56 pm

Lon;630814 wrote: No offense mean't to my U.K. friends and rellys, but when is the last time you heard someone say "Let's go out to dinner and have a good ole English meal"?

Answer----NEVER

Because it's not of a particular style, it gathers from the four corners of the world, is ubiquitous, all pervasive, and *wonderful*.

Compare your "Chinese, Indian, Thai, French, Italian, Vietnamese, Japanese, Greek, even German, Hungarian and Turkish" with what those peoples actually eat at home. You'll be in for a bloody great big surprise.

Lon;630814 wrote: but never English. I am of English backround, but find the food bland for the most part. Beef Wellington? OK, fish and chips OK, but everything else ugh!!!

And Haggis???? Erp!!

You seem to have a frightfully narrow view of what constitutes "English" cooking - and, I might add - what England, the UK, and the countries that make it up actually are - haggis, whilst you may not find it palatable (although the constituents of this dish are reflected in cultures elsewhere) is not in fact an "English" dish", it's (theoretically) a "Scottish" one, so you are in fact insulting Scottish cuisine, which being British myself, I take exception to.

Perhaps, as an infant, you were dropped on your head?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:59 pm

Lon;630938 wrote: Name one Internationally known 5 Star English Eatery outside of the U.K. It's no stereotype mate.

Well, who goes for "an American" - no-one, unless they're of the "75% calories from fat and 175% more calories than are needed" school. There are many outlets dishing up thet sheyte worldwide, but I wouldn't be proud of that fact IIWY!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:01 pm

Bill Sikes;630953 wrote: Well, who goes for "an American" - no-one, unless they're of the "75% calories from fat and 175% more calories than are needed" school. There are many outlets dishing up thet sheyte worldwide, but I wouldn't be proud of that fact IIWY!

I had a turkey sandwich and 2 plums with lemon water for lunch today :p

dubs · Post by **dubs** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:03 pm

Lon;630938 wrote: Name one Internationally known 5 Star English Eatery outside of the U.K. It's no stereotype mate.

Lon, it's the stereotype that's created that situation! Why are English chefs in great demand, all over the World? It's not because they churn out tasteless crap.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:03 pm

there is nothing wrong with a good old roast on a sunday.:wah: :wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:04 pm

Nomad;630940 wrote: B]Kidneys & Wild mushrooms on Toast (2)/B]

B]Category: Offal

Country: England/B]

B]Ingredients.../B]

B][IST]

4 slices sourdough bread, or similar

6 oz wild mushrooms, cleaned

3 lambs kidneys

1 tbsp plain flour

1 oz unsalted butter

¼ tsp cayenne pepper

½ tsp mustard powder

1½ oz salted butter

1 tbsp chopped curly leaf parsley

salt & black pepper/LIST]/B]

That sounds OK, *but* a) what's "sourdough bread, or similar" - I have never had that in the UK; b) How come I have never heard of this recipe? Also, don't other peoples eat kidneys, or mushrooms, for that matter? I won't comment on cayenne pepper, as it's an internationally well-known ingredient.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:05 pm

Nomad;630957 wrote: I had a p

;)

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beautyful · Post by **beautyful** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:05 pm

neffy;630959 wrote: there is nothing wrong with a good old roast on a sunday.:wah: :wah:

:yh_drool you cannot beat a good old roast beef, yorkshire pudding etc

every country has its goods and bads where food is concerned

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:05 pm

Bill Sikes;630961 wrote: That sounds OK, *but* a) what's "sourdough bread, or similar" - I have never had that in the UK; b) How come I have never heard of this recipe? Also, don't other peoples eat kidneys, or mushrooms, for that matter? I won't comment on cayenne pepper, as it's an internationally well-known ingredient.

I suppose some do but internal organs arent the norm here.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:06 pm

neffy;630959 wrote: there is nothing wrong with a good old roast on a sunday.:wah: :wah:

Roasted what though ? :-3

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:10 pm

Nomad;630966 wrote: I suppose some do but internal organs arent the norm here.

I bet that they're minced up and incorporated into all sorts of processed food and you don't hear about it. To go for an obvious one, do you see any pate, terrine, or sausages over there?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:15 pm

Bill Sikes;630961 wrote: That sounds OK, *but* a) what's "sourdough bread, or similar"

Bill, here's some help with sourdough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourdough

It's good stuff.

dubs · Post by **dubs** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:16 pm

Just work your way through these...Then get back to me! I bloody hate stereotyping...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/apps/ifl/food/reci ... submit.y=9

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:16 pm

Bill Sikes;630980 wrote: I bet that they're minced up and incorporated into all sorts of processed food and you don't hear about it. To go for an obvious one, do you see any pate, terrine, or sausages over there?

Sausage of course. Pate is not something you would find at the grocery or really come across unless your living the Martha Stewart life. Terrine Ive never heard of.

Were very diligent about food labeling here. If ground up gallbladder were in the twinkies Id know about it.

Im sure it has more to do with culture and history.

You are right though we do have a Get Your Crap Here restaurant on every corner but many of us dont frequent these places.

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:19 pm

Lon;630814 wrote: No offense mean't to my U.K. friends and rellys, but when is the last time you heard someone say "Let's go out to dinner and have a good ole English meal"?

Answer----NEVER

And Haggis???? Erp!!

*Chookie skelps Lon in the face with his gauntlet*

Do not mention haggis in the same breath as English food.

Nominate your seconds, we shall meet at dawn.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:20 pm

a Get Your Crap Here restaurant

gallbladders in the twinkies

Nomad, you're killing me today! You're in rare form. Are you sniffing Krylon again?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:21 pm

dubs;630992 wrote: Just work your way through these...Then get back to me! I bloody hate stereotyping...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/apps/ifl/food/reci ... submit.y=9

This recipe from an English website cancels out any of the fine recipes you presented dubs

Saurekraut Brownies

¾ c. butter

1 ½ c. white sugar

3 eggs

1 tsp almond extract

½ c. + 2 Tbsp flour

½ c. + 3 Tbsp unsweetend cocoa powder

16 oz sauerkraut, rinsed and drained

1 c. water

½ c. pecans (optional)

½ c. butterscotch chips (optional)

Preheat oven to 350 degrees

Lightly grease a 9X9 pan

In a medium saucepan, melt butter over medium heat. Stir in sugar until blended, about 2 min. Remove from heat and beat in eggs one at a time, mixing well after each addition. Stir in almond extract. In medium bowl sift the flour and cocoa together. Add the flour mixture to the butter mixture, stirring until evenly combined.

In a blender, puree the sauerkraut with the water. Drain, and then squeeze the kraut until water is removed. Mix sauerkraut into batter. Stir in pecans and butterscotch chips. Spread mixture into prepared pan. Bake 45 to 50 min.

saffy · Post by **saffy** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:21 pm

Nomad;630994 wrote: Sausage of course. Pate is not something you would find at the grocery or really come across unless your living the Martha Stewart life. Terrine Ive never heard of.

Were very diligent about food labeling here. If ground up gallbladder were in the twinkies Id know about it.

Im sure it has more to do with culture and history.

You are right though we do have a Get Your Crap Here restaurant on every corner but many of us dont frequent these places.

Just because something says it's 100% meat doesn't mean it's 'nice' meat.

It can include lips, arseholes and connective tissue and some eye lids if you're lucky.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:22 pm

Bill Sikes;630945 wrote: Because it's not of a particular style, it gathers from the four corners of the world, is ubiquitous, all pervasive, and *wonderful*.

Compare your "Chinese, Indian, Thai, French, Italian, Vietnamese, Japanese, Greek, even German, Hungarian and Turkish" with what those peoples actually eat at home. You'll be in for a bloody great big surprise.

You seem to have a frightfully narrow view of what constitutes "English" cooking - and, I might add - what England, the UK, and the countries that make it up actually are - haggis, whilst you may not find it palatable (although the constituents of this dish are reflected in cultures elsewhere) is not in fact an "English" dish", it's (theoretically) a "Scottish" one, so you are in fact insulting Scottish cuisine, which being British myself, I take exception to.

Perhaps, as an infant, you were dropped on your head?

I know Haggis is Scottish and rather than a narrow view, my view is based on having eaten many a meal in Ireland, Scotland and England as well as Australia and New Zealand. In addition, my wife is Scottish, my son-in-law English. The UK has certainly been around a few centuries and has had time to develop a cooking identity. Just as a point of interest, so called French cooking originated in Italy. In addition---you offend much to readily.

dubs · Post by **dubs** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:27 pm

Nomad;631000 wrote: This recipe from an English website cancels out any of the fine recipes you presented dubs

Saurekraut Brownies

¾ c. butter

1 ½ c. white sugar

3 eggs

1 tsp almond extract

½ c. + 2 Tbsp flour

½ c. + 3 Tbsp unsweetend cocoa powder

16 oz sauerkraut, rinsed and drained

1 c. water

½ c. pecans (optional)

½ c. butterscotch chips (optional)

Preheat oven to 350 degrees

Lightly grease a 9X9 pan

In a medium saucepan, melt butter over medium heat. Stir in sugar until blended, about 2 min. Remove from heat and beat in eggs one at a time, mixing well after each addition. Stir in almond extract. In medium bowl sift the flour and cocoa together. Add the flour mixture to the butter mixture, stirring until evenly combined.

In a blender, puree the sauerkraut with the water. Drain, and then squeeze the kraut until water is removed. Mix sauerkraut into batter. Stir in pecans and butterscotch chips. Spread mixture into prepared pan. Bake 45 to 50 min.

Err! I think that's ever so slightly German Nomad!......

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:32 pm

RedGlitter;630989 wrote: Bill, here's some help with sourdough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourdough

It's good stuff. )

Thank you.

"History of sourdough

Sourdough breadSourdough has been used since ancient times with a variety of grains.

Bread made from 100% rye flour, which is very popular in the northern half of Europe, is always leavened with sourdough. Baker's yeast is not useful as a leavening agent for rye bread, as rye [...]

Sourdough was the main bread made in Northern California during"

So, not a British thing at all. Hmm. How did it turn up in a "British", specifically "English" recipe....?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:33 pm

Pinky;631012 wrote: Perhaps none of you have tried banana chicken, honey-glazed gammon, garlic and lemon chicken, rosemary and cranberry bread?

Ok, so there are no internationally known food chains, but maybe that's because most well known british chefs and restraunteurs tend to go for understated and exclusive rather than plasticy mass production.

I've been to the US, and apart from the mexican stuff on the menu, I'd have to say most of that was a bit rubbery and bland. You can get the same kind of stuff on your cafe type menus as what you can here, so quite frankly I think you're talking cobblers Lon.

I must admit the English do make a fine pancreas cobbler.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:36 pm

Nomad;630994 wrote: Sausage of course. Pate is not something you would find at the grocery or really come across unless your living the Martha Stewart life. Terrine Ive never heard of.

Were very diligent about food labeling here. If ground up gallbladder were in the twinkies Id know about it.

Im sure it has more to do with culture and history.

You are right though we do have a Get Your Crap Here restaurant on every corner but many of us dont frequent these places.

Martha Stewart... I've heard the name, some sort of cook who's been locked up for criminal activity, ISTR.

Gall bladder! No. This is not included in any food at all AFAIK. If someone knows otherwise, I'm all ears.

GYC. Same here, I wasn't really taking the ipss, I am not taking umbrage, and I hope I didn't need to explain that!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:36 pm

Pinky;631017 wrote: We only cobble pancreases when really annoyed, Nomad!:D

Annoyed and Nomad are two words that just dont work well together.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:37 pm

Yeah but Pinky, explain kidney pie please. :yh_sick

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:37 pm

Chookie;630998 wrote: *Chookie skelps Lon in the face with his gauntlet*

That's no flippin' good, use your chopper.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:42 pm

Nomad;631000 wrote: B]This recipe from an English website cancels out any of the fine recipes you presented dubs

Saurekraut

Brownies

¾ c. butter

½ c. pecans (optional)

½ c. butterscotch chips (optional)

Bzzt!

Sauerkraut? English? ROFLMAO!

Brownies??? Eh? Yank, surely?

"¾ c" - cups are not our measures.

Pecans? What are they?

"Bbutterscotch chips"? Ditto.

All in all, not traditionally (or otherwise, AFAIK) English.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:42 pm

Pinky;631027 wrote: Steak and kidney pie...the kidney part is kidney BEANS, RG.

Are you serious Pink?? :wah: I'm so relieved! I couldn't understand why someone would make a pie out of an animal's waste filtration system. Thanks for putting me right!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:43 pm

saffy;631001 wrote: Just because something says it's 100% meat doesn't mean it's 'nice' meat.

It can include lips, arseholes and connective tissue and some eye lids if you're lucky.

No it cannot. Not in the UK, at least, by law.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:44 pm

Lon;631003 wrote: you offend much to readily.

No, I do not. Any offence that you consider I feel is your opinion, not mine.