Sex Offender Warnings- Yes or No?

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:03 am

minks;635792 wrote: People are charged depending on circumstance ie alcohol, recklessness etc. Same as if they kill an adult.

good point minks maybe people should be warned that people that drive can have an accident

if someone is speeding on drugs ,drunk ,or behaves in a reckless way of course they should be locked up but if its an accident say your doing the speed limit this kid rides in front of you and you cant help but knock him over and its not your fault then no jail ,

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:04 am

RedGlitter;635791 wrote: I'm getting curious about something....

Many of you are referring to children and I certainly agree, but what about adult victims? Sexual crimes against adults should be no less heinous...in my opinion.

This might be another thread though....I see it in the same light as I do "hate" crimes. I don't think assaulting someone because of their sexual orientation or their ethnicity or whatever should make the crime any worse. That said, I understand where most people would be coming from in the instance of children being assaulted...but I wonder about it. If a woman is raped that's a terrible thing. But if that woman is also a nun. does that make the rape worse than if it had happened to a "regular" woman? What if she's a stripper or a methhead?

I think the reason that people get so upset over children because it is 'every' adults responsibility to watch over children, they are unable to express themselves and handle themselves as an adult would. Many of these offenders start grooming them, then when they have a child's trust they make their move.

I feel that if a woman/man is raped, what she/he is and whoever she/he is, does not make difference, their bodies have been violated, something forced upon them against their will. The offenders should pay the price for these crimes.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:06 am

Bill Sikes;635794 wrote: If you are really addressing that infantile remark to me, you would have noticed, had you the wits, that I am not "defending the rights of the offenders".

Not at all Bill, just wanted to point out that the post was my opinion, before you started quoting me facts and figures and telling me that my post was wrong.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:07 am

RedGlitter;635791 wrote: I'm getting curious about something....

Many of you are referring to children and I certainly agree, but what about adult victims? Sexual crimes against adults should be no less heinous...in my opinion.

This might be another thread though....I see it in the same light as I do "hate" crimes. I don't think assaulting someone because of their sexual orientation or their ethnicity or whatever should make the crime any worse. Because it's already as bad as it could get. That said, I understand where most people would be coming from in the instance of children being assaulted...but I wonder about it. If a woman is raped that's a terrible thing. But if that woman is also a nun. does that make the rape worse than if it had happened to a "regular" woman? What if she's a stripper or a methhead?

Good point Red and I wish I had something brilliant to say about this but can only think a child is by far the most vulnerable of all creatures and anyone who violates a child is the lowest of low. A child has less to zero chance against a full grown adult, a child may not even understand what has happened, may not know it's a crime, a child is so easily damaged, etc.

I guess I am just thinking a child does not have the coping skills an adult has and it's everybodys job to protect them at all cost and teach them and nurture them along.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:08 am

minks;635805 wrote: Good point Red and I wish I had something brilliant to say about this but can only think a child is by far the most vulnerable of all creatures and anyone who violates a child is the lowest of low. A child has less to zero chance against a full grown adult, a child may not even understand what has happened, may not know it's a crime, a child is so easily damaged, etc.

I guess I am just thinking a child does not have the coping skills an adult has and it's everybodys job to protect them at all cost and teach them and nurture them along.

good post minks:-6

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:12 am

Bill Sikes;635796 wrote: Perhaps I should have used the word "crash". I hope that enables you to re-consider my post and come up with another answer.

if its a no one's fault crash then no one should get locked up

thats my last post to you bill , i'd rather rub Tabasco sauce in my eyes then keep answering your stupid boring nit picking questions :wah: :wah:

have a nice day

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:30 am

i n my opion sex offenders have no rights but if you post the people on the regesters address you will drive them under ground (they move and hide)

then ya have a sex offender on the run without control or the watchful eye of the police

if the police know where they are and a child in that area goes missing it can be the first place to look .

if they have gone underground where do they look

in imo it is more danger to children to make public the lists

personly all child abusers should be locked away forever along with murderers and rapists

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:31 am

el guapo;635835 wrote: i n my opion sex offenders have no rights but if you post the people on the regesters address you will drive them under ground (they move and hide)

then ya have a sex offender on the run without control or the watchful eye of the police

if the police know where they are and a child in that area goes missing it can be the first place to look .

if they have gone underground where do they look

in imo it is more danger to children to make public the lists

personly all child abusers should be locked away forever along with murderers and rapists

Good point El Taco (nice to see you back btw) Seems this is a bit of a catch 22 isn't it.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:32 am

That's something to consider, El Guapo. Hadn't really thought of that angle.

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:32 am

RedGlitter;635791 wrote: I'm getting curious about something....

Many of you are referring to children and I certainly agree, but what about adult victims? Sexual crimes against adults should be no less heinous...in my opinion.

This might be another thread though....I see it in the same light as I do "hate" crimes. I don't think assaulting someone because of their sexual orientation or their ethnicity or whatever should make the crime any worse. Because it's already as bad as it could get. That said, I understand where most people would be coming from in the instance of children being assaulted...but I wonder about it. If a woman is raped that's a terrible thing. But if that woman is also a nun, does that make the rape worse than if it had happened to a "regular" woman? What if she's a stripper or a methhead? Does she warrant less empathy? Does the nun warrant more?

My reason for citing the difference was that there does not apear any effective treatment short of castration to prevent recidivism by child molestors. The numbers are not so stark for treating other sexual offenders. Antway we were talking about the circulation of watch lists and that's what I was addressing.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:33 am

el guapo;635835 wrote: i n my opion sex offenders have no rights but if you post the people on the regesters address you will drive them under ground (they move and hide)

then ya have a sex offender on the run without control or the watchful eye of the police

if the police know where they are and a child in that area goes missing it can be the first place to look .

if they have gone underground where do they look

in imo it is more danger to children to make public the lists

personly all child abusers should be locked away forever along with murderers and rapists

That is exactly what is happening now Jess,

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:34 am

minks;635836 wrote: Good point El Taco (nice to see you back btw) Seems this is a bit of a catch 22 isn't it.

dammed if ya do dammed if ya dont

if ya are going to release them ya cant make there address and names public

it does not work that way

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:35 am

el guapo;635835 wrote: i n my opion sex offenders have no rights but if you post the people on the regesters address you will drive them under ground (they move and hide)

then ya have a sex offender on the run without control or the watchful eye of the police

if the police know where they are and a child in that area goes missing it can be the first place to look .

if they have gone underground where do they look

in imo it is more danger to children to make public the lists

personly all child abusers should be locked away forever along with murderers and rapists

lock theaway forever its the only cure

for you el guapo

a wise post

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:36 am

zinkyusa;635839 wrote: My reason for citing the difference was that there does not apear any effective treatment short of castration to prevent recidivism by child molestors. The numbers are not so stark for treating other sexusl offenders. Antway we were talking about the circulation of watch lists and that's what I was addressing.

seems to be sex offenders re-offend more than other criminals doesn't it. I heard somewhere it's a switch in their brain (big or little head I dunno). Mind you they say arsonists are the same, they can't stop. Hmmmm

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:43 am

el guapo;635835 wrote: i n my opion sex offenders have no rights but if you post the people on the regesters address you will drive them under ground (they move and hide)

then ya have a sex offender on the run without control or the watchful eye of the police

if the police know where they are and a child in that area goes missing it can be the first place to look .

if they have gone underground where do they look

in imo it is more danger to children to make public the lists

personly all child abusers should be locked away forever along with murderers and rapists

Excellent points El Guano, but I agree with Suzy, some of the molestors disappear anyway. Better to have some safety for parents.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:46 am

zinkyusa;635853 wrote: Excellent points El Guano, but I agree with Suzy, some of the molestors disappear anyway. Better to have some safety for parents.

I say we take all that money used to bail paris hilton out of jail and put it towards Body modification of the sex offenders.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:50 am

zinkyusa;635853 wrote: Excellent points El Guano, but I agree with Suzy, some of the molestors disappear anyway. Better to have some safety for parents.

not being funny but if ya name them they will go under ground

in a perfect world i agree with suzy too

but this is not a perfect world

people would seek revenge

offenders would run and go under ground

the police would not find them till it is too late

so the burning Q is how

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:52 am

el guapo;635858 wrote: not being funny but if ya name them they will go under ground

in a perfect world i agree with suzy too

but this is not a perfect world

people would seek revenge

offenders would run and go under ground

the police would not find them till it is too late

so the burning Q is how

Ya know this just came to me, if we as a parent can get an insertable GPS system for our child you know the one they inject under their skin, why not that for the sex offenders...

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:55 am

minks;635860 wrote: Ya know this just came to me, if we as a parent can get an insertable GPS system for our child you know the one they inject under their skin, why not that for the sex offenders...

good one police could track them but not the public

laneybug · Post by **laneybug** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:59 am

RedGlitter;635586 wrote: Do you think neighbors should be informed when a registered sex offender moves in? Is it good policy to make everyone aware of it so they can look out for themselves and their kids or do you consider it a violation of the sex offender's rights and privacy?

Why should a sex offender be entitled any "rights or privacies" when they've violated everyone else's by becoming an offender? They have proven they have no regard for others' rights by the crime they've committed. Why should they have rights if they have no qualms about violating others' rights? With this type of people, informing others is the only way to get the power back that they've taken from their victims.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:01 am

el guapo;635866 wrote: good one police could track them but not the public

yes exactly but of course you know what the police or governments are going to cry about this... it's to costly... and that is obscene because cost should be a non issue when it comes to safety of children...

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:01 am

el guapo;635858 wrote: not being funny but if ya name them they will go under ground

in a perfect world i agree with suzy too

but this is not a perfect world

people would seek revenge

offenders would run and go under ground

the police would not find them till it is too late

so the burning Q is how

But my point is Jess, that is already happening, my children's father is a policeman, many times he has gone to find a known sex offender because they have not turned up for probation, only for him to get to the address where they should be, for them to of done the midnight flit.

He was on an operation a few years ago, that captured the largest pedophile ring in London, do you know every single officer had to have intense counseling after viewing the hard drives. He has said those images will haunt him til the day he dies.

The only way to protect our children is to have a register that is available to everyone, you may have people that would seek revenge, but I'd rather that than another incident like Sarah Payne.

The whole problem is that these people are not found until IT IS TOO LATE, how many more children have to have their lives ripped away from them before the law changes?

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:08 am

SuzyB;635871 wrote: But my point is Jess, that is already happening, my children's father is a policeman, many times he has gone to find a known sex offender because they have not turned up for probation, only for him to get to the address where they should be, for them to of done the midnight flit.

He was on an operation a few years ago, that captured the largest pedophile ring in London, do you know every single officer had to have intense counseling after viewing the hard drives. He has said those images will haunt him til the day he dies.

The only way to protect our children is to have a register that is available to everyone, you may have people that would seek revenge, but I'd rather that than another incident like Sarah Payne.

The whole problem is that these people are not found until IT IS TOO LATE, how many more children have to have their lives ripped away from them before the law changes?

well if you inject them with tracking devices and put them onto a public registry, that ought to help keep track of them better.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:16 am

minks;635874 wrote: well if you inject them with tracking devices and put them onto a public registry, that ought to help keep track of them better.

and when it is public and and a linch mob hang them ya got murder

it can not work if the public has access

lock them away 4ever ya cannot release them them publish the them it cannot work im sorry but it wont happen

im not saying they have extra rights but

what ya ask 4 wont work or happen

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:32 am

el guapo;635878 wrote: and when it is public and and a linch mob hang them ya got murder

it can not work if the public has access

lock them away 4ever ya cannot release them them publish the them it cannot work im sorry but it wont happen

im not saying they have extra rights but

what ya ask 4 wont work or happen

It will be interesting to hear from you guys over the pond, do you have a lot of vigilante behaviour against people on the sex offenders register?

The thing is we can only assume what will happen, as we don't really know, unless it was put into place.

We need to think of the children and families of the victim, do you know in the Thames Valley Area, where Jim and I live, we have the highest number of sex offenders in the UK, only 2 weeks ago a man tried taking a 5 year old girl, but her 10 year old sister starting screaming at the top of her voice and pulled her sister away.

As I stated before they lost their rights and security as soon as they did wrong.

I hope I'm proved wrong but I do think your right Jess, can't see it happening over here.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:45 am

SuzyB;635885 wrote: It will be interesting to hear from you guys over the pond, do you have a lot of vigilante behaviour against people on the sex offenders register?

The thing is we can only assume what will happen, as we don't really know, unless it was put into place.

We need to think of the children and families of the victim, do you know in the Thames Valley Area, where Jim and I live, we have the highest number of sex offenders in the UK, only 2 weeks ago a man tried taking a 5 year old girl, but her 10 year old sister starting screaming at the top of her voice and pulled her sister away.

As I stated before they lost their rights and security as soon as they did wrong.

I hope I'm proved wrong but I do think your right Jess, can't see it happening over here.

suzy im going to ask even though i know you and jim well enough to know the answer

a child molester moves in the house next to yours ya are told about this and it is public knowledge do you

A;let him /her live there

B;you move

C;kick the living crap out of the pervert

id go 4 C and you prob would too.... but thats y it is not going to happen

then i would prob get 5-7 years for gbh and he runs off not to be seen till it all starts again

again i say lock them away 4 life .....and life means till death

this is the new reasonable me

jess

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:51 am

SuzyB;635885 wrote: It will be interesting to hear from you guys over the pond, do you have a lot of vigilante behaviour against people on the sex offenders register?

I don't have any statistics but I only know of a couple incidents where some molester was complaining that the people in his neighborhood were trying to run him out. I don't personally know of any vigilante type incidents becoming physical but I would expect some to occur just because of the nature of things.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:03 am

el guapo;635892 wrote: suzy im going to ask even though i know you and jim well enough to know the answer

a child molester moves in the house next to yours ya are told about this and it is public knowledge do you

A;let him /her live there

B;you move

C;kick the living crap out of the pervert

id go 4 C and you prob would too.... but thats y it is not going to happen

then i would prob get 5-7 years for gbh and he runs off not to be seen till it all starts again

again i say lock them away 4 life .....and life means till death

this is the new reasonable me

jess

Well for a start I don't think that they should be placed anywhere close to children, ie schools or next door to a family with minors.

If you remember years ago when Jim and I had to move to Slough, we was in a B&B, there was a middle aged man across the hall that kept trying to talk to the kids (more so Sam), it's wrong to make assumptions but I felt very uncomfortable with him being anywhere near them, I told him not to talk to my children, I made it abundantly clear. Yet the next morning I found him in the hall offering Sam a lollipop, I totally lost it, I started shouting at him that I'd told him to stay away, again he was found trying to talk to Sam in the kitchen area, at this point Jim had a little chat with the guy.

Now the guy may of been totally innocent, but it was not a risk we felt we wanted to take, he was told not to go near the kids but he persisted in talking to Sam. The only time I would have belted him is if he went to talk to him after Jim told him to stay away. Now for arguments sake, say he was a sex offender and I knew that, he would know that he shouldn't be talking to kids, and the first time he attempted to go near my children, I'd have gone for him.

They should be locked away but like I say not in a 'special' wing in the prison, put them among the other lags.

laneybug · Post by **laneybug** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:01 pm

zinkyusa;635668 wrote: I'm actually only referring to sex offenders who molest children in my comments. I think there is evidence to support the possibility of treating rapists. With many rapists the issue is about power and control.

Uhh, how is molesting children not about power and control? Molesting isn't any more about sex than rape is. Both are about power. That's my opinion, anyway.

saffy · Post by **saffy** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:23 pm

It really is like the daily mail in here sometimes..lol

I'd vote no, I wouldn't want to know if there was a sex offender living in my area.

Why? Because I wouldn't do anything differently!

If someone is on the sex offenders register then they have form and will be monitored..

It's the people who haven't been caught that you have to be concerned with.

So what are you going to do? Live in fear all the time??

There aren't paedophiles waiting to jump out from behind every corner/hedge!!

More children are sexually abused by family of friends of the family from what I can remember.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:31 pm

saffy;636036 wrote: It really is like the daily mail in here sometimes..lol

I'd vote no, I wouldn't want to know if there was a sex offender living in my area.

Why? Because I wouldn't do anything differently!

If someone is on the sex offenders register then they have form and will be monitored..

It's the people who haven't been caught that you have to be concerned with.

So what are you going to do? Live in fear all the time??

There aren't paedophiles waiting to jump out from behind every corner/hedge!!

More children are sexually abused by family of friends of the family from what I can remember.

But, if you knew then you could warn your kids to stay away from him. I have a 6 yr old daughter - if a neighbour (known offender) touched her, I would completely freak that I had not been warned.

I always warn my kids about not trusting people they don't know. Its difficult because, unless warned, they would consider a neighbour as someone they knew.

I realise that this could happen with anyone (known or not known offender), but the knowledge would allow me and kids to be extra careful.

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:32 pm

laneybug;636017 wrote: Uhh, how is molesting children not about power and control? Molesting isn't any more about sex than rape is. Both are about power. That's my opinion, anyway.

Well there is a wide spectrum of this behavior and I am referring primarly to pedophiles or those adults who are attacted to children as primary sexual partners. Most of these people were molested as children themselves and experienced severe psychological trauma and arrested pyschological development. Probably there was a sort of "hard wiring" that occurred that associated child with sex act. I think this is why they are so hard to treat. I don't believe they molest children as an expression of power or control like a rapists does. I think the life of a child molestor is more akin to an addict in the sense of overpowering desire and inability to stop once begun. I think most rapists are motivated by anger, power and control and are not necessarily addicted to raping or hardwired to be rapists. Of course that is all just my opinion as well.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:56 pm

jimbo;635810 wrote: thats my last post to you bill ,

Good, for you don't seem to have anything much to say anyway.

jimbo;635810 wrote: i'd rather rub Tabasco sauce in my eyes then keep answering your stupid boring nit picking questions wah: wah: D

I say go for it! Good man!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:59 pm

saffy;636036 wrote: I'd vote no, I wouldn't want to know if there was a sex offender living in my area.

Why? Because I wouldn't do anything differently!

If someone is on the sex offenders register then they have form and will be monitored..

It's the people who haven't been caught that you have to be concerned with.

So what are you going to do? Live in fear all the time??

There aren't paedophiles waiting to jump out from behind every corner/hedge!!

More children are sexually abused by family of friends of the family from what I can remember.

All very good points. Nice to see.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:01 pm

laneybug;635869 wrote: Why should a sex offender be entitled any "rights or privacies" when they've violated everyone else's by becoming an offender? They have proven they have no regard for others' rights by the crime they've committed. Why should they have rights if they have no qualms about violating others' rights? With this type of people, informing others is the only way to get the power back that they've taken from their victims.

Hi, laneybug, where do you stand on the point of informing the general population about other crimes that people living in their midst may have committed?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:04 pm

el guapo;635878 wrote: and when it is public and and a linch mob hang them ya got murder

it can not work if the public has access

lock them away 4ever ya cannot release them them publish the them it cannot work im sorry but it wont happen

im not saying they have extra rights but

what ya ask 4 wont work or happen

Mr. Guapo, you also make some interesting observations.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:04 pm

Bill Sikes;636086 wrote: Good, for you don't seem to have anything much to say anyway.

I say go for it! Good man!

yada yada :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:05 pm

el guapo;635892 wrote: jess

Hi, jess, are you the chap I exchanged PMs with about some things a while ago? Just interested.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:06 pm

My neighbour who works for the criminal justice dept says there's one on every street.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:06 pm

jimbo;636099 wrote: yada yada rolleyes: rolleyes:

QED. You answered anyway.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:08 pm

Bill Sikes;636102 wrote: QED. You answered anyway.

it would of been rude not to

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:08 pm

laneybug;636017 wrote: Uhh, how is molesting children I]not about power and control? Molesting isn't any more about sex than rape is. Both are about power. That's my opinion, anyway.

I don't know. However, I do know what is good, and what is bad.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:11 pm

Bill Sikes;636106 wrote: I don't know. However, I do know what is good, and what is bad.

any chance of some good nice posts then bill not nit picking twaddle

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:15 pm

jimbo;636111 wrote: any chance of some good nice posts then bill not nit picking twaddle

:yh_rotfl

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:15 pm

el guapo;635892 wrote: suzy im going to ask even though i know you and jim well enough to know the answer

a child molester moves in the house next to yours ya are told about this and it is public knowledge do you

A;let him /her live there

B;you move

C;kick the living crap out of the pervert

id go 4 C and you prob would too.... but thats y it is not going to happen

then i would prob get 5-7 years for gbh and he runs off not to be seen till it all starts again

again i say lock them away 4 life .....and life means till death

this is the new reasonable me

jess

I would like to add just a little story here on my personal experience with a wife beater. They lived next door to me, the noise was always awful, the abuser pushed his boundries further and further from descrete bruises on his GF's arm she could cover to finally uttering words of killing her while standing in his back yard. We (Jr Minks and I) heard most of this progression. So relative to our topic, we knew what was going on next door, we if we could have would have moved away we seriously looked but could not afford to, and last as Jess said... We wanted some burly man to come by and beat the living hades out of the man because of what he was doing.

My point is his goings on affected my and my childs life, I was glad to know who he was and what he was about so I could protect myself and Jr Minks.

Yes a sex offender may carry on quietly but if he is "registered" I have the ability to take my own actions of protecting mine.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:39 pm

I would definitely want to know if I was living near a rapist or child molester, wife (or husband) beater, animal torturer or a murderer. Not to live in fear but because it's safer and better to know your surroundings and who you share them with.

Someone asked what crimes committed we'd want made public. I choose the above. I don't feel rape or the molestation of a child is even remotely forgivable, no matter how much time they do for it. And I refer to genuine rape and molestation, not that statutory stuff pulled by angry fathers and not a 15 and 17 year old willingly doing the deed. That stuff angers me because it detracts from the magnitude of true offenses.

Same with the sicko who sticks forks in the neighbor's dog's rectum or the punkass who smacks his wife around. Unforgivable.

If the issue was someone having killed another, I would want that made public, only depending on the circumstances involved. If it was some type of self defense or a bonafide accident, then I don't think the person needs to wear the scarlet letter for that. If however, it was a cold blooded murder, then absolutely I'd want it to be known.

I don't subscribe to the concept of someone serving their time and paying their debt to society. A) it doesn't necessarily mean they've changed and B) some actions you just can't pay for.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:41 pm

RedGlitter;636142 wrote: I would definitely want to know if I was living near a rapist or child molester, wife (or husband) beater, animal torturer or a murderer. Not to live in fear but because it's safer and better to know your surroundings and who you share them with.

Someone asked what crimes committed we'd want made public. I choose the above. I don't feel rape or the molestation of a child is even remotely forgivable, no matter how much time they do for it. And I refer to genuine rape and molestation, not that statutory stuff pulled by angry fathers and not a 15 and 17 year old willingly doing the deed. That stuff angers me because it detracts from the magnitude of true offenses.

Same with the sicko who sticks forks in the neighbor's dog's rectum or the punkass who smacks his wife around. Unforgivable.

If the issue was someone having killed another, I would want that made public, only depending on the circumstances involved. If it was some type of self defense or a bonafide accident, then I don't think the person needs to wear the scarlet letter for that. If however, it was a cold blooded murder, then absolutely I'd want it to be known.

I don't subscribe to the concept of someone serving their time and paying their debt to society. A) it doesn't necessarily mean they've changed and B) some actions you just can't pay for.

"Violating" any living creature is a crime.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:21 pm

At the risk of making myself unpopular I'll restate what Bill has been trying to say in his own inimitable fashion.

Not all people who are on the sex offenders register are equal. There are gradations of offence amongst those placed on the register and not all of those placed on the register deserve to have their names publicised for life.

At the lower end of the scale are those who make a mistake early in life - for example the seventeen year old with a fifteen year old girlfriend who's mother objects. He's now guilty of Statutory Rape and has earned his place on the Sex Offenders Register.

Sarah's Law would mean that his name would be listed on the internet as a sex offender, blighting his life forever for a stupid mistake that many have made.

By all means list those the courts have judged are an ongoing danger to the public - in my opinion they should never be released from jail in the first place, but those who have harmed no-one in the first place should not be so stygmatised.

And for those who are interested, the seventeen year old was a relative within my extended family.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:26 pm

Bryn Mawr;636199 wrote: At the risk of making myself unpopular I'll restate what Bill has been trying to say in his own inimitable fashion.

Not all people who are on the sex offenders register are equal. There are gradations of offence amongst those placed on the register and not all of those placed on the register deserve to have their names publicised for life.

At the lower end of the scale are those who make a mistake early in life - for example the seventeen year old with a fifteen year old girlfriend who's mother objects. He's now guilty of Statutory Rape and has earned his place on the Sex Offenders Register.

Sarah's Law would mean that his name would be listed on the internet as a sex offender, blighting his life forever for a stupid mistake that many have made.

By all means list those the courts have judged are an ongoing danger to the public - in my opinion they should never be released from jail in the first place, but those who have harmed no-one in the first place should not be so stygmatised.

And for those who are interested, the seventeen year old was a relative within my extended family.

oiy a double edged sword this topic is isn't it

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:32 pm

Well my personal opinion is child sex offenders should be made known.

As to all other offenders there should be more rehabilitation done while they are in jail

The child of a sex offence is a sweet innocence person whose life has been changed dramatically forever so this perpatrator should not be allowed around minor children for the rest of there lives.