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Get a load of this!! I don't know if any of you are comic book fans but I still am and I find this upsetting. Sure it's just a comic but what about what Captain America respresented?! I feel like Marvel sold out America and our integrity both. Especially with the state we're in right now. Am I overreacting?? :mad: :(





Marvel Comics buries Captain America

By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer Sun Jul 1, 6:31 AM ET





NEW YORK - It's a funeral fit for a superhero. In the drizzling rain at Arlington National Cemetery, thousands of grieving patriots solemnly watch as the pallbearers — Iron Man, the Black Panther, Ben Grimm and Ms. Marvel — carry a casket draped with an American flag.



Yes, folks, Captain America is dead and buried in the latest issue of Marvel Comics' "Fallen Son," due on newsstands the morning after Independence Day. After 66 years of battling villains from Adolf Hitler to the Red Skull, the red, white and blue leader of the Avengers was felled by an assassin's bullet on the steps of a New York federal courthouse.

He was headed to court after refusing to sign the government's Superhero Registration Act, a move that would have revealed his true identity. A sniper who fired from a rooftop was captured as police and Captain America's military escort were left to cope with chaos in the streets.

But the sniper didn't act alone, and didn't even fire the shot that killed the captain.

Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression.

With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

"Part of it grew out of the fact that we are a country that's at war, we are being perceived differently in the world," Loeb said. "He wears the flag and he is assassinated — it's impossible not to have it at least be a metaphor for the complications of present day."

But Loeb says he was working with more personal material: the death of his 17-year-old son from cancer.

"So many people have lost their sons and daughters over the years, for the greater good or to cancer or other horrible things," said Loeb, an executive producer for NBC's "Heroes." "I wanted this to be something people would identify with."

In the final frames of the book, the Falcon delivers a eulogy asking superheros old and young to stand up and honor Captain America. Loeb did a similar thing at his son's funeral.

"It was this moment where I realized that we were all different, but this boy, my son, made us all connected," he said. "It was powerful."

Captain America, whose secret identity was Steve Rogers, was an early member of the pantheon of comic book heroes that began with Superman in the 1930s.

He landed on newsstands in March 1941, nine months before Pearl HarborUnited States — delivering a punch to Hitler on the cover of his first issue, a sock-in-the-jaw reminder that there was a war on and the was not involved.

Since then, Marvel Entertainment Inc., has sold more than 200 million copies of Captain America magazine in 75 countries.

In the most recent story line, he became involved in a superhero "civil war," taking up sides against Iron Man in the registration controversy, climaxed by his arrest and assassination.

Marvel says you never know what will happen. He may make it back from the dead after all, although Loeb says that question isn't really important right now.

"The question is, how does the world continue without this hero?" he said. "If that story of his return gets told further down the line, great. But everyone's still been dealing with his loss.

"They aren't going to wake up and it's a dream, like it's some episode of 'Dallas.'"

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The Capt. was killed a few months back.

I like the fact that He;s buried at Arlington.

It's not Marvel. It's Jeph Loeb. He's gotten more political than ever and personally I like what he's doing. Jeph keeps up to date and his characters reflect the times.



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JD, how do you view CA's death? Do you see it as a statement of where America sits right now or is that reading too much into it? I guess the reason it upsets me is because well....superheroes aren't supposed to die. When I see CA laying there dead I think of all that's going on in the US and I wonder if that is a nod to us being ....weak...? Does that make any sense? :confused:
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RedGlitter;650620 wrote: JD, how do you view CA's death? Do you see it as a statement of where America sits right now or is that reading too much into it? I guess the reason it upsets me is because well....superheroes aren't supposed to die. When I see CA laying there dead I think of all that's going on in the US and I wonder if that is a nod to us being ....weak...? Does that make any sense? :confused:


While I do think that you think too much ;),

I'm with you 100% here.

Keep in mind that all of Loeb's creations are mortal.

They were superheroes to us as kids because of all the cool sh!t they could do.

As an adult I grew to appreciate them for having the bal!s to do what no one else would!

Yes! You're spot on by seeing his death as a reflection of America being weak.

I give a standing ovation to Loeb and Marvel for having the guts to do this.

World keeps turning.
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JacksDad;650694 wrote: While I do think that you think too much ;),

I'm with you 100% here.

Keep in mind that all of Loeb's creations are mortal.

They were superheroes to us as kids because of all the cool sh!t they could do.

As an adult I grew to appreciate them for having the bal!s to do what no one else would!

Yes! You're spot on by seeing his death as a reflection of America being weak.

I give a standing ovation to Loeb and Marvel for having the guts to do this.



World keeps turning.




i was a marvel nut as a kid



i never saw captain america as america in general ,i just thought he could of done with a few more super powers you know a bit of laser vision ,bit of web spraying ,a bit of flying you know ..... i mean i'm not knocking the guy but stop or i'll throw my shield at you hardly exciting is it ?? .... well maybe its me but as a kid we all wanted to be spider man or the hulk ,no one wanted to be old capt or the was one called capt briton he was tosh as well :thinking::thinking:
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I have to give a little thought to this, JD but I'll come back to it.

I know, I know, more thinking!! ;)
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jimbo;650701 wrote: i was a marvel nut as a kid



i never saw captain america as america in general ,i just thought he could of done with a few more super powers you know a bit of laser vision ,bit of web spraying ,a bit of flying you know ..... i mean i'm not knocking the guy but stop or i'll throw my shield at you hardly exciting is it ?? .... well maybe its me but as a kid we all wanted to be spider man or the hulk ,no one wanted to be old capt or the was one called capt briton he was tosh as well :thinking::thinking:


That was the beauty of Capt. America.

He was a man. No freak of nature. Just a kickas.s MF!

He could do what no ordinary bloke could do but.......

He did it!
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JacksDad;650710 wrote: That was the beauty of Capt. America.

He was a man. No freak of nature. Just a kickas.s MF!

He could do what no ordinary bloke could do but.......

He did it!




whats magenta flame got to do with it??? :wah:





i know what you mean my friend ,but as a kid it was not that great :D
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jimbo;650713 wrote: whats magenta flame got to do with it??? :wah:



i know what you mean my friend ,but as a kid it was not that great :D


You know! She's a threadjacker!

Just thought I'd give her a head start!;)

And I know what you mean, When I was a kid it was more about Batman for me.

But then he's immortal too!
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Okay JD, help me out here, okay? Are you saying it's good to show America (in the form of CA) as weak? Or thats' it's not good? This is not an argument by any means, I'm just trying to see another way of looking at this. :)
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See, Jimbo?

What did I tell ya?

:D
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JacksDad;650856 wrote: See, Jimbo?



What did I tell ya?

:D




:wah: :wah:
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RedGlitter;650855 wrote: Okay JD, help me out here, okay? Are you saying it's good to show America (in the form of CA) as weak? Or thats' it's not good? This is not an argument by any means, I'm just trying to see another way of looking at this. :)


No. Argue. You and I are due.;)

I'm not saying it's good or bad.

I simply see it as Loebs story.

I was a fan as a child but comic books left me as I grew older. But I still have a thing for Veronica. :D

Still, I don't forget my childhood friends.

When I read that the Capt. was killed I was as devasted as I would be if he were my brother.

Again. To see him buried at Arlington makes sense to me. It's perfect.

Loeb is spewing his personal grief on us and he's allowed.

It's fiction.

No different than fatass Roger Moore dissing America.

If someone wants to take Captain America as our leader, well then.....

Admitting that America is mortal? And can be weak or weakend?

It's about f'ning time.

When JFK was assininated the country changed. Not that I mean to compare the two but I think the U.S needs a good bitchslap right now.

JD will now proceed to heavily sedate himself.
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JacksDad;650883 wrote: No. Argue. You and I are due.;)

Oh No!! We've been getting along righteously and I like it! :-6

I'm not saying it's good or bad.

I simply see it as Loebs story.

I was a fan as a child but comic books left me as I grew older. But I still have a thing for Veronica. :D Definitely cooler than Betty.

Still, I don't forget my childhood friends.

When I read that the Capt. was killed I was as devasted as I would be if he were my brother.

Again. To see him buried at Arlington makes sense to me. It's perfect.



As in the same way as a fallen soldier?

Loeb is spewing his personal grief on us and he's allowed.

It's fiction.

No different than fatass Roger Moore dissing America.

If someone wants to take Captain America as our leader, well then.....

Admitting that America is mortal? And can be weak or weakend?

It's about f'ning time.



When JFK was assininated the country changed. Not that I mean to compare the two but I think the U.S needs a good bitchslap right now.

How so? I wasn't around then so have no firsthand knowledge.



JD will now proceed to heavily sedate himself.


Honest! No argument here! :D
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I'm going to buy some old copies now just in case it comes in handy ching ching £$£$.
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Ugh. I can't go on right now.

Things have changed, Red.

I've been wanting to start a thread asking opinions on when the world changed.

I ask strangers, I ask friends. For some stupid reason I want to know.

Please. No one comment on that. I'll start an appropriate thread.

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OMG! They killed Captain America, you bastards!!! :eek:

That's just... just... unpatriotic.


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JacksDad;650921 wrote: Ugh. I can't go on right now.

Things have changed, Red.

I've been wanting to start a thread asking opinions on when the world changed.

I ask strangers, I ask friends. For some stupid reason I want to know.

Please. No one comment on that. I'll start an appropriate thread.




Ok I won't comment. But I do look forward to that thread. :) Should be an interesting discussion.
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No. that wasn't about comments.

The week had taken it's toll on me at the point of that post.

It was time for bed.
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Oh! Sorry. :D
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