Stop this No Smoking Law

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:05 am

Ever since the new smoke free law came into effect on July 1st, we have seen a dramatic drop in customers visiting our drinking establishments. Certain businesses are talking about closing down as they are losing huge amounts of money with smokers prefering to stay at home rather than struggle through a smoke free night out. For many a smoker cigarettes and a drink go hand in hand. The pleasure of going out to relax and unwind has gone now with this new ruling. Change back the smoking law to how it used to be before we lose to many jobs through all this.

SlipStream · Post by **SlipStream** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:11 am

maccat;655767 wrote: Ever since the new smoke free law came into effect on July 1st, we have seen a dramatic drop in customers visiting our drinking establishments. Certain businesses are talking about closing down as they are losing huge amounts of money with smokers prefering to stay at home rather than struggle through a smoke free night out. For many a smoker cigarettes and a drink go hand in hand. The pleasure of going out to relax and unwind has gone now with this new ruling. Change back the smoking law to how it used to be before we lose to many jobs through all this.

sorry But smoking is so bad......it killed my mom and dad!

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:13 am

Name something that isn't bad for our health.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:19 am

the pub was a a lot less busy but even the die hard smokers said how much better it was in there ,i enjoyed my food in that clean air and my clothes never stank .i'm all for it

and before some one says i was ruining my health i was drinking water :-6

mind you the food might have done that :rolleyes:

SlipStream · Post by **SlipStream** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:19 am

maccat;655774 wrote: Name something that isn't bad for our health.

food

love

fun

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:27 am

Although I do smoke, there is nothing worse that walking into a smoke filled room. Also it is forcing people who don't smoke to breath in this poluted air. Any one wanting to smoke just needs to go outside...I never smoke indoors anyway. I don't see why my children or friends should have to put up/breath it in. :-6

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:32 am

ThePheasant;655811 wrote: Although I do smoke, there is nothing worse that walking into a smoke filled room. Also it is forcing people who don't smoke to breath in this poluted air. Any one wanting to smoke just needs to go outside...I never smoke indoors anyway. I don't see why my children or friends should have to put up/breath it in. :-6

how very thoughtfull of you :-6 :-6

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:37 am

Smoking has been banned in Ireland for a few years now and it is great. You would be surprised on how many non smokers avoided pubs and restaurants before that now go out. Smokers aren’t the only ones who like to go out for meals and drinks, and I don’t think that people will stop going out because they can’t smoke.

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:48 am

mikeinie;655818 wrote: Smoking has been banned in Ireland for a few years now and it is great. You would be surprised on how many non smokers avoided pubs and restaurants before that now go out. Smokers aren’t the only ones who like to go out for meals and drinks, and I don’t think that people will stop going out because they can’t smoke.

That's the case here too. Pubs especially have more customers than ever - the smokers are all outside getting wet and the non-smokers are inside enjoying a wee refreshment (or two).

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:54 am

Chookie;655830 wrote: That's the case here too. Pubs especially have more customers than ever - the smokers are all outside getting wet and the non-smokers are inside enjoying a wee refreshment (or two).

i'm earning a fortune selling umbrella's :wah: :wah:

not really :-3

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:58 am

Many pubs in Floradise have opened gardens in the back so smokers can sit outside. There's also a law concerning food and smoke. If the pub serves less than a certain percentage of food they can allow smoking. It's made for some interesting new places to open up. There are quite a few who have a smoking bar with pool, darts, jukebox and all that, and it's attached to a restaurant!

Out one door and into the other!

And then back again!:D

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:39 pm

Good point, Mags.

There should be no sweating and no farting laws as well!

:wah:

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:26 pm

Everyone should be worried about the taxes the Government makes off cigarettes..!!

No more smoking - less cigs purchased - less tax for the Government

Means everyone will be taxed even more..

Bars/establishments have no smoking - then no drinking / business is down everywhere - business's have to close.

Government loses alot of taxes - no smoking - no drinking

Where do you think the Government will turn to??

Patsy

DelicateDominatrix · Post by **DelicateDominatrix** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:28 pm

I snuck a smoke today

I am very stressed right now and over tired.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:39 pm

Here is what makes me mad. Across the river, in West Virginia, smoking is not allowed in bars UNLESS they have an enclosed area with gambling machines. THERE you can smoke. Second hand smoke is less dangerous if you are gambling? :-5

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:41 pm

I am a non smoker who now enjoys being out even more since we have no smoking laws in effect. I am generally a non drinker..when Rick and I go out I may have one drink, then switch to soda. By I hatethe smell of smoke, and my allergies are grateful for the relief.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:55 pm

You can smoke all you want in private clubs - like the Elks - American Legion etc..

Casino's have smoking and non-smoking areas.

Marie5656 - non-smoking maybe great for you - its killing business's everywhere.

So, should I expect you to pay my tax increase, when the Government Revenues dry up from cigs?

Patsy

Mia · Post by **Mia** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:57 pm

I have one in my mouth right now.It makes my house and me stink. I have to paint the walls every twelve months,it is probably killing me and I am broke cos they cost a bomb.Can I stop,I don;t know,have tried and failed before.

To be honest this new law can only be a good thing as it will cut me down as most are a habit more than a need. Went to the pub with smoking friends last night we sat in the garden where we could smoke.The winter will be a different story. There is a new drug available in England,it is supposed to stop the addiction but not the habit,I honestly wish I had never started,but in my young days most everyone did it.

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:01 pm

Mia;655936 wrote: I have one in my mouth right now.It makes my house and me stink. I have to paint the walls every twelve months,it is probably killing me and I am broke cos they cost a bomb.Can I stop,I don;t know,have tried and failed before.

To be honest this new law can only be a good thing as it will cut me down as most are a habit more than a need. Went to the pub with smoking friends last night we sat in the garden where we could smoke.The winter will be a different story. There is a new drug available in England,it is supposed to stop the addiction but not the habit,I honestly wish I had never started,but in my young days most everyone did it.

Mia, I never thought that i'd be able to give up, but i did it. I was a heavy smoker, 60 every Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 20-30 every other day, at 22 I had smoking related problems after smoking for 6 years. I am sure that you could do it, even if it means just cutting down to start with. :-6

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:06 pm

Patsy Warnick;655935 wrote: You can smoke all you want in private clubs - like the Elks - American Legion etc..

Casino's have smoking and non-smoking areas.

Marie5656 - non-smoking maybe great for you - its killing business's everywhere.

So, should I expect you to pay my tax increase, when the Government Revenues dry up from cigs?

Patsy

I understand that the chances are taxes will increase, but hopefully there will be a large decrease of smoking related illnesses, which should cut down the health service bill over here. I know if I was given a choice of paying more tax or paying with my life by smoking, I know what i'd rather.

Hugh Janus · Post by **Hugh Janus** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:59 pm

Mia;655936 wrote: I have one in my mouth right now.It makes my house and me stink. I have to paint the walls every twelve months,it is probably killing me and I am broke cos they cost a bomb.Can I stop,I don;t know,have tried and failed before.

To be honest this new law can only be a good thing as it will cut me down as most are a habit more than a need. Went to the pub with smoking friends last night we sat in the garden where we could smoke.The winter will be a different story. There is a new drug available in England,it is supposed to stop the addiction but not the habit,I honestly wish I had never started,but in my young days most everyone did it.

I Fully agree Mia. I hope that the government will do for us what they do for the Heroin addicts. If I were a Heroin addict I would get a free course of treatment including Methadone etc, to wean me off the habit. So when is the goverment going to offer me and countless others, free patches, nicotine gum, lozenges, etc. To get us to come off the deadly niccotine habit? The only reason I can see is that the government don't have any involvment with Heroin. They don't collect tax from it and they don't have any say in its distribution. So all they can do is to try to get people away from it to counter the after effects and the medication involved... Heroin is not allowed.... But Tobacco is... Illegal Heroin gets you a free treatment plan.... Legal Tobacco gets you a high tax bill....

Or maybe do you think, as I do, that they don't really want us to kick the habit, because they will suddenly be deprived of a major income resource to the government coffers? They seem to be paying lip service to something that they hope will not happen... The UK suddenly becomes "Smoke free." That will pi$$ on their bonfire won't it? They will then have to find the umpteen millions of pounds that they got from the smokers to bolster up the budgeted coffers... Now suddenly all the do-gooders are going to start crying "Foul." Tough! You wanted it, you got it... Now all you "do-gooders" can start to pay your part of the bill. What a shame. You cannot afford to go to the smoke free pub, because you are paying more tax on everything else... Oh dear. Don't you sometimes wish that you had just kept your smoke free mouth shut?....

Mia · Post by **Mia** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:28 pm

SuzyB;655938 wrote: Mia, I never thought that i'd be able to give up, but i did it. I was a heavy smoker, 60 every Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 20-30 every other day, at 22 I had smoking related problems after smoking for 6 years. I am sure that you could do it, even if it means just cutting down to start with. :-6

Suzy you did so well.I guess a lot of it with me is down to stress after eighteen years of caring for a very sick hubby and a son with Bipolar,also my dad till he died. Or am i making excuses,who knows.I have to stop,I know .that

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:32 pm

Mia;656009 wrote: Suzy you did so well.I guess a lot of it with me is down to stress after eighteen years of caring for a very sick hubby and a son with Bipolar,also my dad till he died. Or am i making excuses,who knows.I have to stop,I know .that

:-4 When the time is right you will do it.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:43 pm

Hugh Janus;655986 wrote: So when is the goverment going to offer me and countless others, free patches, nicotine gum, lozenges, etc. To get us to come off the deadly niccotine habit?

All doctors surgeries & chemists are offering all of the above (free) in Scotland right now. You just go in & ask

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:14 pm

Patsy Warnick;655935 wrote: You can smoke all you want in private clubs - like the Elks - American Legion etc..

Casino's have smoking and non-smoking areas

Patsy

When we voted here in Ohio, private clubs were exempt from the ban. The bar owners association got together, and fought it. Even though it was voted on, private clubs are now non-smoking too. Once again, it's being appealed. They are enforcing a law that seems to change every month. :-5

Chookie · Post by **Chookie** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:29 pm

Patsy Warnick;655935 wrote: You can smoke all you want in private clubs - like the Elks - American Legion etc..

Casino's have smoking and non-smoking areas.

Marie5656 - non-smoking maybe great for you - its killing business's everywhere.

So, should I expect you to pay my tax increase, when the Government Revenues dry up from cigs?

Patsy

Not in this country you can't. All enclosed public spaces are non-smoking, as are all enclosed workplaces.

You said "its killing business's everywhere." That it is not, most pubs in Scotland are making money hand over fist as the non-smokers are going in as well.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:32 pm

Chookie;656087 wrote: Not in this country you can't. All enclosed public spaces are non-smoking, as are all enclosed workplaces.

You said "its killing business's everywhere." That it is not, most pubs in Scotland are making money hand over fist as the non-smokers are going in as well.

I think this varies by region. Parts of Ohio have perhaps gained business, while the part I'm in, it's killing business.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:41 pm

Suzy

me point is that we're allowing the Government take any and all rights away.

Government realized raising the prices didn't stop smoking - so now ban all smoking in public. Whats next?

Patsy

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:46 pm

Chookie;656087 wrote: Not in this country you can't. All enclosed public spaces are non-smoking, as are all enclosed workplaces.

You said "its killing business's everywhere." That it is not, most pubs in Scotland are making money hand over fist as the non-smokers are going in as well.

Same here in Ontario.

Smokers are only 22% of the population here, so that means there is 78% of the population that will not be affected by the ban, except that they no longer have to breathe the toxic, carcinogenic, foul smelling fumes from tobacco. (I've yet to meet a non-smoker who actually likes the smell of smoke. I've met several smokers who are bothered by smoky rooms.)

Anyway, the pubs here still get plenty of smokers. They just have to take it outside.

The scare tactics about the erosion of business are just more lies from the tobacco lobby.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:48 pm

Cigaretts are legal - but now you can't smoke them

You can carry a gun - but you can't smoke a legal cigarette

That doesn't make sense to me..

Patsy

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:50 pm

Patsy Warnick;656139 wrote: Suzy

me point is that we're allowing the Government take any and all rights away.

Twenty two per cent of the population making seventy eight per cent of the population into passive smokers isn't the greatest case I've heard concerning civil rights.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:53 pm

Richard B

Here in the US - you can't even smoke outside the establishment

you have to be hundreds of feet away - in California way out on a pier you cannot smoke but, you can have a gun strapped to your leg.? Outside the Airports you cannot smoke. I don't appreciate the smell either, but this doesn't make sense to me?

Patsy

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:53 pm

Richard Bell;656142 wrote: Twenty two per cent of the population making seventy eight per cent of the population into passive smokers isn't the greatest case I've heard concerning civil rights.

Agreed.

You can still smoke. But keep it where it belongs: in your home and car.

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:03 pm

Patsy Warnick;655921 wrote: Everyone should be worried about the taxes the Government makes off cigarettes..!!

No more smoking - less cigs purchased - less tax for the Government

Means everyone will be taxed even more..

From The Globe & Mail, April 13, 2002 :

Each pack of cigarettes sold costs the economy more than $11 in medical care and lost productivity, or almost twice as much as the cigarettes, according to a study.

The research, done by the U.S. national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimates that smoking slashes life expectancy by 14 years.

The CDC estimates that each smoker accounts for US$3,391 in economic costs.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:14 pm

ThePheasant;655811 wrote: I don't see why my children or friends should have to put up/breath it in. :-6

In a PUB???

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:14 pm

jimbo;655779 wrote: the pub was a a lot less busy but even the die hard smokers said how much better it was in there ,i enjoyed my food in that clean air and my clothes never stank .i'm all for it

and before some one says i was ruining my health i was drinking water :-6

mind you the food might have done that :rolleyes:

jim?

What does "a lot less busy" REALLY mean???

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:44 pm

BTS;656159 wrote: jim?

What does "a lot less busy" REALLY mean???

not as much a major less busy but more than a little bit more less busy :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:47 pm

jimbo;656177 wrote: not as much a major less busy but more than a little bit more less busy :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

gotcha

Thanx

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:29 am

Well see now, that's cool that you would do that, AF. In fact that probably goes above and beyond that you'd check that out rather than move somewhere and complain about their policies,like most people would. Cool.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:22 am

Yep, that makes sense.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:24 pm

Patsy Warnick;656139 wrote: Suzy

me point is that we're allowing the Government take any and all rights away.

Government realized raising the prices didn't stop smoking - so now ban all smoking in public. Whats next?

Patsy

Make the damned things illegal and protect the rights of non-smokers - hopefully.

If tobacco was discovered tomorrow do you not think that it would be declared a class A drug - addictive, carcinogenic, mind altering .....

911 · Post by **911** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:15 pm

Each pack of cigarettes sold costs the economy more than $11 in medical care and lost productivity, or almost twice as much as the cigarettes, according to a study.

The research, done by the U.S. national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimates that smoking slashes life expectancy by 14 years.

The CDC estimates that each smoker accounts for US$3,391 in economic costs.

And what about alcohol?

Alcohol causes health problems from the poor to the rich and we the taxpayers are paying for their health care also.

How many lives are lost because of drunk driving?

How many people are put in jail that taxpayers are paying for for DUI, Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, just to name a few?

How much of your life expectany is slashed from drinking? But is alcohol outlawed? No. Are more and more taxes placed on alcohol every year? No. Are there only certain places you can drink away from those who do not? No. If I go to a restaurant and am forced to sit next to a bunch of snockered patrons, who can I complain to? No one, unless they are bothering everyone.

On this I have to agree with Patsy. First it starts with something you dislike and then something else you dislike. But who is going to be left to fight with you when it's something you like?

The right to wear the clothes you like, the right to do something legal, the right to vote the way you please, the right to eat a rare steak; these freedoms are slowly being taken away but no one notices because you like the results. But when it hits home with you on one of your special freedoms, what cha gonna do then?

911 · Post by **911** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:20 pm

Bryn Mawr;662872 wrote: Make the damned things illegal and protect the rights of non-smokers - hopefully.

If tobacco was discovered tomorrow do you not think that it would be declared a class A drug - addictive, carcinogenic, mind altering .....

Well, that covers a plethora of things.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:45 pm

911;662877 wrote: And what about alcohol?

Alcohol causes health problems from the poor to the rich and we the taxpayers are paying for their health care also.

How many lives are lost because of drunk driving?

How many people are put in jail that taxpayers are paying for for DUI, Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, just to name a few?

How much of your life expectany is slashed from drinking? But is alcohol outlawed? No. Are more and more taxes placed on alcohol every year? No. Are there only certain places you can drink away from those who do not? No. If I go to a restaurant and am forced to sit next to a bunch of snockered apatrons, who can I complain to? No one, unless they are bothering everyone.

On this I have to agree with Patsy. First it starts with something you dislike and then something else you dislike. But who is going to be left to fight with you when it's something you like?

The right to wear the clothes you like, the right to do something legal, the right to vote the way you please, the right to eat a rare steak; these freedoms are slowly being taken away but no one notices because you like the results. But when it hits home with you on one of your special freedoms, what cha gonna do then?

as a non drinker now i'd like to see alcohol banned in pubs :rolleyes:

911 · Post by **911** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:15 pm

jimbo;662890 wrote: as a non drinker now i'd like to see alcohol banned in pubs :rolleyes:

You're cute! :wah: :-6

booradley · Post by **booradley** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:53 pm

protecting the majority at the minority's expense? good...for too long pubs/clubs have been ruled by the fit in or f**k off mentality of smokers.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:26 pm

I am a smoker. I am a very considerate smoker. I have always felt that if my smoking got so bad that I couldnt not smoke for a couple of hours, Id be in big trouble. No problem, going out for dinner, and stepping outside if I want to for a cigarette. However, Im sorry.. banning smoking in bars and pubs, was just wrong, as far as Im concerned. Drinking smoking and socializing go hand and hand. The non smokers could have just stayed out of those places, if they didnt like it. The law has put many businesses, out of business. And I feel the osticising attitude of non smokers towards smokers borders on irrational hysteria. I would like to know all of the private details of non smokers lives, so that I can have an opportunity to decide if they are doing things that jepordize their health. I would like to INSIST that they all use condoms, and that no other form of birth controll is permitted.

woppy71 · Post by **woppy71** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:57 pm

Well, I'm a non smoker and I have to say that I think the way they went about implementing this non-smoking thing was wrong. A case of using a sledge hammer to crack a nut, I think. Ok , fair enough, ban smoking in closed public places, but at least let businesses apply for a license to allow people to smoke in their property, providing certain criteria are met: dedicated place for smoking, sufficient warning signege on explaining the dangers, etc, etc...

As far as restaurants / pubs go, why shouldn't I let people smoke in my property? If I put up clear signage saying "smoking allowed throughout" together with relavent signage saying what the dangers are? let the customers make their mind up. If you don't like the idea of drinking in a smoke filled pub, then tough, go somewhere else and drink, but be carefull: mind you don't inhale too much car / lorry fumes as you walk to the next pub.

Also, where I work, they have obviously banned smoking, and they have said they are not going to errect a smoking shelter because they feel they should educate people on the dangers and offer them help in helping them quit!! What self righteous clap trap!! Talk about a nanny state, we live in one. Makes my blood boil.

So i suppose what I'm trying to say is give people the facts on smoking, let them make their own minds up and give them some where to smoke if they chose too!

Rant over!

:wah: