A question I have.......

mominiowa · Post by **mominiowa** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:43 pm

Tell me the reason YOU think we are at WAR??

David813 · Post by **David813** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:56 pm

I think we are at war because this Administration saw quick & easy profits coming from Iraq's robust oil industry. Though crippled by sanctions the US & the Saudis saw a great opportunity to topple a 3rd World dictator and come rolling in with our own oil industry contractors to set up the profit machine, complete with cheap local labor. After our President, VP, CIA and others manufactured the lie that Iraq was a direct threat to US stockholders most Americans believed it of course and committed their kids to die for the defense of their great country. THEN, the reasons for the war changed. The reason for the war changed to 'Getting rid of a brutal tyrant.' THEN it changed to 'Spreading Democracy." Now the war is about fighting terrorism. Soon it will be about revenge for all the soldiers that have been killed. I say Draft Young Republicans.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:59 pm

oil, money, finishing Daddy's war, find Osama - Osama who? :-2 bring Democracy to third world countries, keeping weapons of mass destruction out of third world countries (especially away from Israel) - there are any number of reasons. The only reason I have NOT heard is to spread Christianity.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:27 pm

Islam is the world's largest religion and spreading fast. Christians will have to someday come to terms with their minority status.

Jika · Post by **Jika** » Tue May 24, 2005 11:17 pm

Hi David. I'm curious as to why you say Islam is "....spreading fast" What are you basing that on?

Thanks, Jika.

john8pies · Post by **john8pies** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:46 am

Thought this whole war actually went back to when Saddam illegally invaded Kuwait and the Americans / Allies went in to liberate them. They fought the Iraqis back to the border and wanted to press on to overthrow the regime because of the Kurds getting slaughtered in the north, but the UN wouldn`t authorise it then. (However, the Iraqis actually maintain that Kuwait has always historically been part of Iraq and was illegally `partitioned` due to oil wealth anyway, so with most world problems, there`s no straightforward explanation)

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:30 pm

Jika wrote: Hi David. I'm curious as to why you say Islam is "....spreading fast" What are you basing that on?

Thanks, Jika.The number of countries that are overwhelmingly Muslim and the billion plus adherents to the religion. Their population is growing rapidly across the globe.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:40 pm

David813 wrote: Islam is the world's largest religion and spreading fast. Christians will have to someday come to terms with their minority status.In Iittle Ireland,we have 18 mosques for 35,000 muslims. And many Irish catholic youths have joined Islam. Its the fastest growing religion in Europe too.

Philadelphia Eagle · Post by **Philadelphia Eagle** » Wed May 25, 2005 2:45 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: In Iittle Ireland,we have 18 mosques for 35,000 muslims. And many Irish catholic youths have joined Islam. Its the fastest growing religion in Europe too.

If that is the situation, Buzz, tread very carefully.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:42 pm

Philadelphia Eagle wrote: If that is the situation, Buzz, tread very carefully.The world will be a very different place very soon. Brace yourselves, and keep in mind Communism is the most effective religion killer known to man.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:44 pm

David813 wrote: Islam is the world's largest religion and spreading fast. Christians will have to someday come to terms with their minority status.

I think the billion + Tao Ching followers in China would disagree with you.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:52 pm

nvalleyvee wrote: I think the billion + Tao Ching followers in China would disagree with you.Good point but Tao Ching doesn't claim some 30 nations as does Islam. Birthrates in China are steady to declining while the poorer African and Asian Muslim countries are experiencing a population explosion that is also sweeping Europe. I see a greater threat coming from fundamentalist Islam's roots in uneducated poverty stricken areas throughout the 3rd World than from a strictly Chinese philosophy inside China, where religion is closely monitored or banned.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:06 pm

David813 wrote: Good point but Tao Ching doesn't claim some 30 nations as does Islam. Birthrates in China are steady to declining while the poorer African and Asian Muslim countries are experiencing a population explosion that is also sweeping Europe. I see a greater threat coming from fundamentalist Islam's roots in uneducated poverty stricken areas throughout the 3rd World than from a strictly Chinese philosophy inside China, where religion is closely monitored or banned.

I agree that uneducated poverty stricken people turn to religion to understand their plight in life, I think they should look to their governing bodies and not to the heavens - hence the term uneducated. I agree with the population explosion too - if you have no other pleasure in life - you take and give it to your partner. They need birth control - again another governing issue. As for the repression of religion in China - I don't believe it. Any people who "believe" will do so whether it is in the privacy of their heart or in a church or temple. The control of population in China is a direct result of government intervention - for better or worse. I don't agree with that as I have heard (probably American propaganda) that they leave undesirable infants in the woods to die.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Wed May 25, 2005 6:42 pm

nvalleyvee wrote: I agree that uneducated poverty stricken people turn to religion to understand their plight in life, I think they should look to their governing bodies and not to the heavens - hence the term uneducated. I agree with the population explosion too - if you have no other pleasure in life - you take and give it to your partner. They need birth control - again another governing issue. As for the repression of religion in China - I don't believe it. Any people who "believe" will do so whether it is in the privacy of their heart or in a church or temple. The control of population in China is a direct result of government intervention - for better or worse. I don't agree with that as I have heard (probably American propaganda) that they leave undesirable infants in the woods to die.The Chinese government does arrest and sometimes executes those that practice religion outside of the state sanctioned churches or temples, which aren't recognized anywhere else. The Falun Gong and Catholic faiths are recent targets by the police. 'One Child Only' policies are enforced in the larger cities among the working poor. And, as in many Asian countries infanticide is relatively routine. Especially regarding female infants. We aren't talking about a fetus, but an infant. Poverty breeds fear and ignorance. Religion offers a refuge from thinking for yourself. Enter the fundamentalists.