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hello rob here

i would like to ask the opinion of f.g members on a subject but let me aquaint you with the facts first.

my neighbours daughter has just turned 15 and is pregnant to her boyfreind another local lad who is 16.

obviously i cannot name names as as this would be illegal but this 16 year old will not be reported to the police for this and the mother does not care as she is overjoyed at being a granny.

call me old fashioned but surely this is a case of sex under age as she is offically a child and cannot consent to sexual intercourse and a 16 year old is the age of a young adult yet this liberal politically correct society turns a blind eye to things like this.

personally had it been my daughter i would kick them both from one end of the village to the other .

but in these liberal politically correct times that would have got me arrested because its now illegal to give your kids a clip round the ear.

i got many clips round the ear as a child and it brought me up to be a polite gentleman who respects o.a.p.s what do we have now foul mouthed yobs asbos and kids who drink and laugh at the lilly livered toothless law because they know even if they went to court they would walk free with a smack on the wrist dont do it again sentence.

the answer must be bring back the cane in schools and borstals for yob offenders.

otherwise what will tommorows society be like?

rob
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It is technically breaking the law, but would the girl stand witness to this? Would she allow DNA to be taken from her baby? How much would this cost to pursue and would it be likely to have a conviction at the end?

I do understand what you are saying and if that was my daughter I would be going mad, but at the end of the day many people are having sex underage, as parents we should be educating them in safe sex to try and prevent pregnancy and STD's.

PS. Sounds as though the Granny to be is a fruit cake :rolleyes:
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What the heck difference is it going to make if you throw the guy in jail? How's he going to learn to be a dad in the slammer? Why not throw the girl in jail too as it takes two! We're not talking 10 year olds here, maybe these two thought they cared for each other. At 15 and 16 it's wholly possible and there's no reason to imprison for that.

I wouldn't say you're old fashioned, I'd say your attitude is antiquated and very unuseful.
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Um, I'm a bit confused as to why that's against the law? There's only one year separating them...
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Mystery;691112 wrote: Um, I'm a bit confused as to why that's against the law? There's only one year separating them...


It is against the law to have sex with someone under the age of 16 here, do they have an age in America?
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i think there should be an age gap for it to be considered rape. One year difference between them is just two kids fooling around together. Unless she says she was forced to have sex.
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SuzyB;691113 wrote: It is against the law to have sex with someone under the age of 16 here, do they have an age in America?


Oh, I see! The law here is a bit different. It's only illegal if one of the parties is above the age of adult (generally 18). But, to answer the question - I agree with Koan. That's just not enough of an age difference IMHO. If the sex was consensual, then they're BOTH responsible for the consequences, and it certainly shouldn't be a legal matter...
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SuzyB;691113 wrote: It is against the law to have sex with someone under the age of 16 here, do they have an age in America?


The decision on whether or not to prosecute rests with the Crown Prosecutors. Their code is at http://www.cps.gov.uk/victims_witnesses/codetest.html

To quote briefly from it:In 1951, Lord Shawcross, who was Attorney General, made the classic statement on public interest, which has been supported by Attorneys General ever since: "It has never been the rule in this country - I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution". (House of Commons Debates, volume 483, column 681, 29 January 1951.)

When considering the public interest, Crown Prosecutors should always take into account the consequences for the victim of whether or not to prosecute, and any views expressed by the victim or the victim's family.Here's the Citizens' Advice Bureau at http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/fam ... _sexuality

It is a criminal offence for someone of either sex to take part in sexual activity with someone under the age of sixteen, unless it is reasonable to believe that that person is 16 or older. Sexual activity includes sexual intercourse and intentional sexual touching. The penalties for an offence of this type are more severe if it is committed by someone who is 18 or over rather than someone who is under 18.

Where both people are under 16, each will be committing an offence if they have a sexual relationship. However, it is unlikely that there will be any prosecution if the sexual activity was mutual and non-exploitative. If someone under the age of 16 is sexually involved with someone else aged 16 or over, the younger person will not be committing an offence. However, the person over 16 could be charged.
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The law is there to try and protect the kids, but I know many kids are having underage sex, the problem is when you have adults trying to have sex with under 16's.

I am not sure how many folks get prosecuted for this crime, I bet the figures are quite low.
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Oops Spot, you posted before me :) Thanks for the facts, I would have included that but I saw you on the thread and just knew you'd come up with the goods :thinking::wah:
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Scrat;691116 wrote:

RG. There was a time in the world when life demanded a little better decision making from us. If you stop and think about it things have not changed. I do not envy that kids future, the first strike has been called.


Scrat, kids have been doing the deed since time immemorial. Human behavior regarding love and sex has not changed over the eons and I for one don't expect it to. If this girl did not cry rape then the only issue is the upcoming child. Which should be looked upon with joy and not as a dire mistake of two young kids. They laid their plans and now....on with their lives.
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SuzyB;691122 wrote: I am not sure how many folks get prosecuted for this crime, I bet the figures are quite low.


From: Crime in England and Wales 2006/2007 at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0607.html

Table 2.04 (cont) Recorded crime by offence 1997 to 2006/07 and percentage change between 2005/06 and 2006/07

Unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under 13: of the order of 200 a year

Unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under 16: of the order of 2000 a year

The offences were redefined in 2003 and the figures aren't specific after then.

- which rather gives the lie to the implication of the specific claimed instance in the OP, in my opinion.
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Does this ever stop - these are kids, and they are just kids, don't they goals in life other than reproducing. And if kids are sexually active, then they & the parents should show some type of responsibility - other then being giddy for grandchildren.

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SuzyB;691123 wrote: I would have included that but I saw you on the thread and just knew you'd come up with the goods :thinking::wah:Jimbo's rubbed off on you, hasn't he.
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rob1965;691073 wrote: this 16 year old will not be reported to the police for this and the mother does not care as she is overjoyed at being a granny.As a minor aside, up until 1967 you'd have been liable to prosecution yourself for knowledge - you do write this as knowledge rather than suspicion, after all - of a crime without reporting it. I only mention this because - assuming the crime described here to be a felony in the US - it would get our American members up to three years in jail not to report such an event to the authorities:United States Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter I, Section 4 [1]

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

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rob1965;691073 wrote: hello rob here

i would like to ask the opinion of f.g members on a subject but let me aquaint you with the facts first.

my neighbours daughter has just turned 15 and is pregnant to her boyfreind another local lad who is 16.

obviously i cannot name names as as this would be illegal but this 16 year old will not be reported to the police for this and the mother does not care as she is overjoyed at being a granny.

call me old fashioned but surely this is a case of sex under age as she is offically a child and cannot consent to sexual intercourse and a 16 year old is the age of a young adult yet this liberal politically correct society turns a blind eye to things like this.

personally had it been my daughter i would kick them both from one end of the village to the other .

but in these liberal politically correct times that would have got me arrested because its now illegal to give your kids a clip round the ear.

i got many clips round the ear as a child and it brought me up to be a polite gentleman who respects o.a.p.s what do we have now foul mouthed yobs asbos and kids who drink and laugh at the lilly livered toothless law because they know even if they went to court they would walk free with a smack on the wrist dont do it again sentence.

the answer must be bring back the cane in schools and borstals for yob offenders.

otherwise what will tommorows society be like?

rob


Sending them to jail is hardly likely to help either of them. What about the baby? maybe she should be forced to give it up for adoption like used to happen back in the good old days when girls who got themselves pregnant had to be punished for their sins.

More seriously why was sex education so lacking that they got themselves in this position in the first place. This old fashioned idea that sex education encourages promiscuity is causing a great deal of harm. We could do with taking a leaf out of the dutch or swedish education system where they start teaching about sex in primary school. they have the lowest teenage pregnancy rate in europe because kids understand the consequences and can get contraceptives if they want them, although interestingly enouigh the age of first sexual experience tends to be older as well. Getting yourself pregnant is viewed as an act of stupidity not bad luck.

Our attitude to sex education needs to change and we need to view it as a normal activity. If religious groups have a problem with it they can teach morality at church but they should have no say in forcing others to their outdated beliefs.

the answer must be bring back the cane in schools and borstals for yob offenders.

otherwise what will tommorows society be like?


Hopefully not as violent as it was back in the days when we had borstals and the like. The system was changed because it didn't work. Yob culture is always with us but society is nothing like as accepting of violence as it used to be.

personally had it been my daughter i would kick them both from one end of the village to the other .


If you would beat up your daughter because she got pregnant then at least nowadays most would think such behaviour unjustified.
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The only thing I'd add, gmc, is.....the changing of such ridiculous notions as "got herself pregnant" into "was impregnated by." Saying she got herself pregnant absolves the guy of all responsibility and God knows there's already enough of that.
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I think we have to accept the fact that kids start being sexualy active at a much younger age nowadays.I think the mother is stupid to be excited at the prospect of being a grandmother,when her daughter is not much more than a child herself.

I don't consider that her boyfriend commited a crime,apart from the fact he was stupid not to use protection.

Do they lock up kids for smoking under sixteen? I agree it is a crime if the boy is a lot older than the girl.But in this case although technicaly,it is a crime It is not worth pursuing.
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RedGlitter;691242 wrote: The only thing I'd add, gmc, is.....the changing of such ridiculous notions as "got herself pregnant" into "was impregnated by." Saying she got herself pregnant absolves the guy of all responsibility and God knows there's already enough of that.


Good point. But I put it that way deliberately because that was the prevalent attitude and still is in many quarters. Original sin-it was eve that tempted Adam not the other way around, supposedly.
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SuzyB;691081 wrote: It is technically breaking the law, but would the girl stand witness to this? Would she allow DNA to be taken from her baby? How much would this cost to pursue and would it be likely to have a conviction at the end?

I do understand what you are saying and if that was my daughter I would be going mad, but at the end of the day many people are having sex underage, as parents we should be educating them in safe sex to try and prevent pregnancy and STD's.

PS. Sounds as though the Granny to be is a fruit cake :rolleyes:


hi suzy

youre not wrong talk about a disfunctional family they live at number 59 next door but one to us and the mother has got 7 children to 6 different fathers.

the mother smokes weed as do the eldest 2 including the one thats pregnant.

her 18 year old has got a child to our next door neighbours daughter at number 57

she is in a detention centre in peterborough for her own safety as she is a total fruitcake and was discharged from the local hospitals pysicatric ward and has been brought back with the baby by nottinghamshire police and south yorkshire police

on many occasions her child is now being looked after by her parents untill she gets out.

the mother at number 59 has had more boyfriends than you can count on your fingers the eldest being 60+ years of age since the father of the youngest two walked out.

the 3rd from the youngest is in foster care with his sister who asked to go with him of her own free will.

the house needs thousands of pounds of repairs doing to it and the councils housing officer is going beserk about that.

the current situation is that the father of the youngest two has returned and looks after the youngest two while the mother goes off with the boyfriend for days on end to the local pub or his house for a s**g she also drives his car even though

she does not have a licence or insurance.

the 18 year old is now seeing the daughter of my next door neighbour on the other side number 53 she is 14 years old.

all three of these families live on social security benefits and do not work.

social services say they are monitoring the situation at 59 and the police are never there when she is driving dispite my having being to the police station to report this ( by the way the village police station closes at 6pm and is not open at weekends) so after 6pm we do not see a bobby unless someone calls them out and they come out only if its urgent enough.

you may think im making this up but it is all true and genuine and this used to be a nice cul de sac with a beautifull view of fields and woods we still have the view but also 3 disfunctional famlies.

p.s i would to hear f.g members opinions on this one

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wow yes I would say better than corrie :wah:

were abouts are your Rob, just with you saying south yorkshire police.

are you near Barnsley :-3

we get people like that all the time just a mile from where I live a place called Seacroft you may have heard of it.

they are trying to sort the area out but it makes everyone else look bad :-5
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SuzyB;691122 wrote: The law is there to try and protect the kids, but I know many kids are having underage sex, the problem is when you have adults trying to have sex with under 16's.

I am not sure how many folks get prosecuted for this crime, I bet the figures are quite low.


Happened to an in law of mine - 'cept he was seventeen and she was fifteen and she didn't get pregnant (her mother went to the police). He's now of the Sex offender's register with his life effectively wrecked before it started.

Kids will play at being adults and the punishment does not fit the "crime".
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I could not agree more, Bryn.

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RedGlitter;692433 wrote: I could not agree more, Bryn.

Good to see you too! :)


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littlemissgiggle;692368 wrote:

we get people like that all the time just a mile from where I live a place called Seacroft you may have heard of it.

they are trying to sort the area out but it makes everyone else look bad :-5


Seacroft, twinned with Beirut. One of the few places in Leeds where Alsation dogs walk round in pairs for security. A place where if you shut the kitchen window you are likely to trap someones fingers.

And whilst we are on the subject of "salubrious" neighbourhoods, let us not forget Gipton, (even the name sounds sick,) Osmondthorpe, (No the Osmonds wouldn't want to set foot down there.) Harehills, (people are just haring to get away from there,) and Halton Moor, (a place where the Halton Morons live.) All these places are on the doorstep of Seacroft. That whole area of Leeds needs to be fenced off and then used as a test range for missiles.

a) It would improve the look of the area.

b) It would drop the crime rate in the Leeds area by about 70%
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Scrat;692442 wrote: I've seen the results of things like this too many times. What you stated is true, it is also true that the kid will face challenges that others from more amenable and well planned situations will not.


I won't disagree with that. I don't know if it's the underdog in me or what but I've always figured everybody's life is hard and we all have our burdens but when we choose, we choose and that's how it is. Even when we're talking teenagers. And I for one, find the grandmother's attitude FAR HEALTHIER than the old staid attitude of reluctance to accept the baby. All that does is cause problems and what is wrong with being ecstatic over the baby? So it came way early, soon it will be here so let's get our ducks in a row and shake out the consternation and welcome the new life. I applaud that grandmother even if she is supposed to be a fruitcake!
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littlemissgiggle;692368 wrote: wow yes I would say better than corrie :wah:

were abouts are your Rob, just with you saying south yorkshire police.

are you near Barnsley :-3

we get people like that all the time just a mile from where I live a place called Seacroft you may have heard of it.

they are trying to sort the area out but it makes everyone else look bad :-5


hi sweetheart no worksop

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Hugh Janus;692447 wrote: Seacroft, twinned with Beirut. One of the few places in Leeds where Alsation dogs walk round in pairs for security. A place where if you shut the kitchen window you are likely to trap someones fingers.

And whilst we are on the subject of "salubrious" neighbourhoods, let us not forget Gipton, (even the name sounds sick,) Osmondthorpe, (No the Osmonds wouldn't want to set foot down there.) Harehills, (people are just haring to get away from there,) and Halton Moor, (a place where the Halton Morons live.) All these places are on the doorstep of Seacroft. That whole area of Leeds needs to be fenced off and then used as a test range for missiles.

a) It would improve the look of the area.

b) It would drop the crime rate in the Leeds area by about 70%


:wah::wah::wah::wah::

and the traffic wardens ticket untill 8pm around leeds general hospital are they on a bonus?

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