Teenage yobs

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:14 am

What is a yob?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:16 am

you may like to read this thread.........Shopping Mall bans Baseball caps ( 1 2 3 )

Bothwell

smithy87 · Post by **smithy87** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:23 am

acydikeen wrote: Maybe this is something that only plauges Britain, I'm not sure..

But there are a lot of teenage yobs on the street, causing ttrouble, harassing others, and acting in general like dic*s..

But my concern is not what they're doing, rather than the societies idea that all young people are yobs.

I cannot walk around with my mates in town anymore without getting fearful looks from the elderly, or suspicious looks from the police.

We cannot enetr shopping centers in groups of more than 5 people for fear of "intimidating" others..

I am so sick of us all being tarred with the same brush!

:-5

Sorry, had to get that out!

I know what you mean its hard being tarred with the same brush as a little scrote. But try explaining that to an 80 yr old woman who sees a lot of kids in hoodies, in big gangs and making a lot of noise. Its hard for them not to be intimidated by that and I'm sure you wouldn't like the thought of your nanna or grandad being scared by kids. Unfortunately, because of the recent bad press about "happy slapping" and so on, the younger generation are doing nothing to help themselves. I'm constantly hearing stories in my local area about gangs of kids beating people to death (I could name 3 cases in the past two weeks where kids under the age of 14 have been arrested) and I'm sure other people are hearing them to. So you can't always blame people for having this assumption

smithy87 · Post by **smithy87** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:40 am

acydikeen wrote: I don't wear hoddies, I wear t-shirts and jeans

My mates and I dress "alternatively" though, so we automatically scare some people, and predjudice is part of our lives basically..

The "happy slapping" phenominom has a lot to answer for, as does Trevor McDonald and his ****-poor documentary :-5

I'm not saying you do. But the problem has got that bad that they have now been banned in shopping centres.

I can't comment on the documentary as I didn't see it, but for older people and the day in age as it is, it's very intimidating for them and to live in fear must be hell. I'm the first to admit when I see a gang of kids in baseball caps, hoodies etc I assume the worst and probably along with the majority of the country. It isn't nice and because of how the world is today, people assume the worst because usually that's all you hear on the news

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:42 am

Unfortunately that is society. Many people like to group folks into cynical collections. My gawd I bet if you took all us FG folks who sport tattoos and those who could show them off without much exposure and sent us into a mall, people would look upon us as a fearful bunch. Yep that sounds hidious but that is what happens for real life. Youth are not alone. I am sure if you looked into the racial side of this, people would have the same reaction, think a large group of asians, muslims, north american indians, any culture in a group, and there is a certain fear.

Yes it is unfair. But in time you will be ok with it I am sure.

These kinds of reactions happen because someone has gone and made it bad for everyone at one time and you now have their footsteps to follow in.

smithy87 · Post by **smithy87** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:55 am

acydikeen wrote: "The media controls the world"

****, aint it?

But seriously, such opinions spread, and suddenly, anyone wearing a cap or hoodie is considered a hoodlum..

But wait, the suns coming out, its summer.. So they won't be wearing caps and hoodies anymore..

So, henceforth, any teenager must be a hoodlum!

Welcome to modern thinking :-5 (i love this emote!)

I know what you're saying and yes it's not very nice. Like Minks said, for instance, people with tattoos are probably looked at as though they're thugs. I have three and people may look at me and think 'slapper' I don't know?! Same as skinheads or bikers. Prejudice is apparent in every race, gender, you name it. Its just the way of the world

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:56 am

acydikeen wrote: Perhaps where you come from has racial predjudice, but I'm happy to say I don't see much of it in Manchester, and what I do see is contained and dealt with swiftly by the law..

"A fear of what we do not understand" id pwerhaps the order of the day, but if we do not try to understand, we will forever live our lives behind a curtain..

Good points indeed.

Oh I know all kinds of angles when it comes to racial discrimination, I worked in international recruitment, I do volunteer work with the immigration society, I work with new immigrants, I hear all kinds of horror stories of these brilliant folks and the treatment they get. Yes, it is a fear of what folks don't understand.

Imagine this, a highly intelligent, degreed, 30+ male, shopping for produce when staff comes along asking if he needs help, yes in his broken language he finally conveys what he wants. After being directed to the produce of choice the staff member then tells him, "you can use a bag for those"

Because this man is weak with english, that staff member treated him like is had no clue. Why? Because the staff member was ignorant, not rude ignorant, just uninformed, unaware, uneducated. It is amazing, how folks categorize others.

Sorry I went off on a tangent there.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:07 am

acydikeen wrote: Doesn't mean its right..

I do not make moves or actions based upon such predjudicies, such would make the world, and my life, terribly shallow

No you got that right, it doesn't make it right, and yes a lot of times we just accept that, because it is easiest.

And I think many people do not make moves or actions upon prejudices but they exist out there. They are not going away. Unless you can form a way of erasing every prejudice, you just have to live with it and be proud of yourself for rising above it.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Thu May 26, 2005 8:07 am

I live in london and we have yob`s a plenty. Not 100 meters from my home we have had two seperate fatal stabbings of shop keepers both by 13/14 year old boys one guy was stabbed to death because he would`nt give the kid a pizza for a pound .

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:13 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: I live in in london and we have yob`s a plenty. Not 100 meters from my home we have had two seperate fatal stabbings of shop keepers both by 13/14 year old boys one guy was stabbed to death because he would`nt give the the kid a pizza for a pound .

And see there is how we become prejudice, if it were asians, muslims, jews, hunchbacks, or seniors some folks would immediately tag them as a bad group.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:15 am

acydikeen wrote: If we erased every predjudice, how would we be able to compete?

How would we have sports and games?

Because to play such a game, you are "prudjudice towards your opponent"..

It is something we cannot get rid of, but we should encourage more tolerance perhaops?

No not prejudice competitive. 2 totally different things

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:16 am

we should teach more tolerance always, to our kids, friends, even our parents. Educate, that is the best way.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:30 am

acydikeen wrote: Somehow I cannot see it happening anytime soon :-5

You can make a small difference just with all the people you yourself know.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:31 am

And think about this, look back in history to "women" look at how that has changed, there is hope.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:39 am

acydikeen wrote: This country contains 60million people (as of last cencus), so the difference me and my 20/30 or so mates could make would indeed be small

Man, I hate humanity

Hey I am not suggesting miracles.... but just think if you can educate a hanful of folks and they do the same and so on and so on. It works, and it took womens liberation decades to come about.

Yeah humanity can suck, but not all of it.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:50 am

acydikeen wrote: No, but as humans look what we have done to ourselves?

We are the only race on the planet that will kill our own other than for food..

We have killed the planet, we are, as Agent Smith said, the "bacteria of this planet"..

*sigh*

Anyways, its hard to make a difference, and most of the time, not worth it..

Oh Ouch defeatest. You also have to take a look at the bright side, we learned we screwed up so now we are taking actions to right our wrongs. Granted we can never bring back the dodo bird and all the other extinct creatures. We learned that all cultures have rights. We have learned how to use less polluting fuel, we have learned that our resources can run out and we have to conserve. We are not as gluttonous as we used to be. Mankind is what mankind is. And if some are not going to learn maybe in time those ones will be eradicated. I believe everyone is learning. In our life times we likely are not going to see huge earth shattering changes, but merely small ones, but hey if we keep doing our part we should be proud.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:04 am

acydikeen wrote: Not defeatist, but realist..

You cannot change man as a thing, only the "individual", and only by chaging many such individuals, can you chage mankind as a whole..

But mankind is like a sweater..

No matter how much you stretch it, it will always bounce back to its original shape (unless its some shitty Primark thing)..

Makind still has animal instincts, and those "caveman" thoughts

Sad, but true..

Well of course we do, "conquer at all cost", wasn't that the cave man creedo??

But also from cave man to now, we have changed a lot for the better, even things that go against our base instinct.

Ok if you truly are a realist than you have to see the real world and see the good with the bad.

Philadelphia Eagle · Post by **Philadelphia Eagle** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:10 am

I 've heard from other Brits that you do have a serious problem there with underage drinking and crowds of these people causing mayhem.

Apparently it happens across the country and not just in small isolated areas especially at weekends.

There seems to be a 'culture' of alcohol comsumption in Britain with all your 'pubs' and other outlets.

The answer, if there is one, probably lies with your politicians in coming down hard on the problem before it gets totally out of hand.

I understand that some moves are being processed in that direction

For example - here in PA the legal minimum age for alcoholic consumption is 25.

It is illegal to consume alcohol in public

It is illegal to carry alcohol inside your vehicle - it must be in the trunk.

Anyone who provides alcohol to an underage person will most certainly end up in jail.

Alcohol may be purchased only in a government store - not for example in a supermarket or indeed anywhere else and the purchaser must provide photo ID upon request.

These laws are very strictly enforced and other States have similar laws.

Perhaps something along these lines would help.

john8pies · Post by **john8pies** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:29 pm

It`s very hard, but unfortunately the elderly will find groups of youths intimidating because of the bad image set by just a small percentage of them

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:45 pm

Bring back National Service. Git the teenage yobs into the army

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:49 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: Bring back National Service. Git the teenage yobs into the army

YES!!!!! Boys and girls alike

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:52 pm

john8pies wrote: It`s very hard, but unfortunately the elderly will find groups of youths intimidating because of the bad image set by just a small percentage of themNot just the elderly find them intimidating John!

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Thu May 26, 2005 3:06 pm

Lady Cop could enlighten me here. Is the 'Bootcamp still in operation in the US? That's what's needed in the British Isles

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Fri May 27, 2005 6:18 am

whereas people in ocupations like "supermarket assistant" are often there temporarily, or are battle-axes when it come to "jonny-foreigner" being allowed into Britain..

Surely the use of inverted commas here is prejudicial to the Supermarket Asssistant.

I happen to believe that there is nothing wrong with emigrating to Britain, however I think you should have at least one form of identification when you arrive, does that make me a Battle Axe when it comes to Jonny foreigner as you so quaintly put it?

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri May 27, 2005 6:52 am

minks wrote: Unfortunately that is society. Many people like to group folks into cynical collections. My gawd I bet if you took all us FG folks who sport tattoos and those who could show them off without much exposure and sent us into a mall, people would look upon us as a fearful bunch. Yep that sounds hidious but that is what happens for real life. Youth are not alone. I am sure if you looked into the racial side of this, people would have the same reaction, think a large group of asians, muslims, north american indians, any culture in a group, and there is a certain fear.

Yes it is unfair. But in time you will be ok with it I am sure.

These kinds of reactions happen because someone has gone and made it bad for everyone at one time and you now have their footsteps to follow in.

That would be funny as sh-t!! I am all for it! are we going to the UK, or is everyone coming here?? I think we should go to the "Mall of America" that would be a riot. I'll even put all my piercings in too. This sounds like a great idea. Lemme know when.

Philadelphia Eagle · Post by **Philadelphia Eagle** » Fri May 27, 2005 6:57 am

acydikeen wrote: Minimum ages for alcohol consupmtion are ignored here, plenty of people under the age of 18 drink..

I don't think much of the American alcohol laws, and it still doesn't stop the problems on your streets does it?

First of all, in America each individual State makes its own laws governing almost all aspects of day-to-day life with the exception of some federal tax laws and national security.

You highlight the UK problem yourself by saying that (a) the minimum age for alcohol comsumption is 18 (extremely young) and secondly the law is not enforced anyway! No wonder you have a problem!

As far as your remaining paragraph goes (a) what don't you like about PA alcoholic consumption laws? and (b) because we have sensible laws which are strictly enforced we don't have the dreadful problems which you appear to have.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:21 am

acydikeen wrote:

But mankind is like a sweater..

No matter how much you stretch it, it will always bounce back to its original shape (unless its some shitty Primark thing)..

Makind still has animal instincts, and those "caveman" thoughts

Sad, but true..You never said a truer word.

The following was taken from todays Daily Mirror...........

27 May 2005

BANNED FROM WEARING A HOODIE - And carrying fireworks axes and chainsaws

By Patrick Mulchrone

A TEENAGE yob has been banned from using an arsenal of lethal weapons... and wearing a hoodie.

Dale Carroll, 16, cannot pick up a chainsaw, axe or fireworks and must not go out in a hooded sweatshirt or baseball cap for five years.

Magistrates handed out what is thought to be the first ASBO involving a hoodie after hearing gang member Carroll threw fireworks at cyclists and attacked a CCTV lamppost with a chainsaw.

The youth, said to be "out of control", also drove a car on a pavement and pulled a man off his bike to threaten him with an axe.

A breach of the anti-social behaviour order could see him jailed for up to five years. He is also banned from much of the Collyhurst area of Manchester, where he shares a home with his mother, and cannot meet up with more than two non-family members.

Manchester City Council said of the hoodie ban: "It is certainly the first time it has happened here and as far as we are aware it's the first time it has happened anywhere."

And Eddy Newman, the council's executive member for housing, said: "This young man has caused absolute misery for the people he has terrorised and is out of control.

"We will not tolerate this and unless he changes his behaviour he faces a long period in custody."

Big shopping centres have been banning hoodies in moves with which Tony Blair has "total sympathy".

A FATHER of two had his skull shattered by three youths wearing hoodies and baseball caps. Kevin Currington, 49, said of the brutal attack in Luton: "I didn't see their faces."

Kids today eh (tut) little scallywags!!

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:23 am

Wolverine wrote: That would be funny as sh-t!! I am all for it! are we going to the UK, or is everyone coming here?? I think we should go to the "Mall of America" that would be a riot. I'll even put all my piercings in too. This sounds like a great idea. Lemme know when.

Wolve your a hoot, no we can't do it yet, I am getting my second tattoo done with in the next week or so, give me time to heal then we will flip a coin as to who's country we can invade ahahahahahaha

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri May 27, 2005 7:27 am

I still say it all comes down to education, there isn't enough education put into peoples heads about tolerance, conservation, preservation, the effects of drugs, alcohol, driving, yada yada, you never learn a thing if your not forced to learn.

Here in 3 of th major cities in Canada, they want to dole out free heroin for the junkies in hopes that they can wean them off it slowly. They took a pole to see if this city would do it, and 87% said no how crazy is that.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Fri May 27, 2005 9:43 am

Good point Damo, but do you hang around on street corners all day and night?

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:13 am

smithy87 wrote: I know what you're saying and yes it's not very nice. Like Minks said, for instance, people with tattoos are probably looked at as though they're thugs. I have three and people may look at me and think 'slapper' I don't know?! Same as skinheads or bikers. Prejudice is apparent in every race, gender, you name it. Its just the way of the world

I find myself not even noticing tattoos anymore. Nowadays, everyone has them! To be different is to be tattoo free - a far cry from 10-15 years ago.

Signed,

Tattoo-free Tombstone :-6

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:16 am

minks wrote: we should teach more tolerance always, to our kids, friends, even our parents. Educate, that is the best way.

I think we should be *less tolerant of these kids' parents. Call me old-fashioned, but since when do the parents get a free pass on this stuff?

Society should not have to be the nurse-maid of these little cretans.