I guess i'm just really old

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:20 pm

I get really tired of putting up with other people's crap. I am about to be an old person in 10 years. I have no intention of having younger people denegrate me.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:11 am

nvalleyvee;695528 wrote: I get really tired of putting up with other people's crap. I am about to be an old person in 10 years. I have no intention of having younger people denegrate me.

Hahahah Im with ya. I am getting old also. I DONT put up with anyones crap. Young, or old. The young ones though, are like a race of aliens to me. Such a huge percentage of disrespecful, angry, hostile little bastards. I often wonder if society will ever produce a generation of kids that were like the ones I knew. Probably not. So, I just look forward. I live my own life and basically ignore them. I know they are misguided, and that they mostly are frightened and scared.

Indian Princess · Post by **Indian Princess** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:32 am

I'm with you guys, however pretty soon the teens will be like the Mel Gibson movie Road Warrior:wah:

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:35 am

jimbo;695573 wrote: well i'm up right up their with you old guys

i'm not crabby though and to be honest as an ex punk rocker with green spikey hair i cant really complain about the youth too much

were we ever that good and to be honest are the youth really that bad

i have noticed since my daughter arrived an angry 17 year old with loud music and tantrums just how much i'm starting to sound like my father or even my grandfather

my girl has the most awefull sounds on cd that i really cant stand it .is her music any way as bad as the sex pistols of course its not ,but that does not stop many full scale arguements with me telling her to turn her crap off :-3

i remember other people from school being very rude and anti social and every bit as annoying as the spotty little upstarts that we complain about today :wah::wah:

Jimbo, yes the youth are really that bad mate. I know from personal experience, and it frightens me that they just don't care about anything or anybody and the police and authorities seem ham-strung. And what makes it really bad is that you just don't know which of these youths - girls as well as boys, are under the influence of class A drugs and therefore just don't know what they're doing.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:07 am

Well, I'm only 46 so I won't be old for another 40 or 50 years. :sneaky:

It's sad that people generalize so much and lump all youths into one group. There's a lot of good kids out there. Unfortunately, many are not willing to see the good, only the bad.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:14 am

Nah...too easy to say today's kids are devil spawn. I know too many who defy that notion. One in particular who would make any parent proud to have him. I think it's just the age gap. It's easy to be up on the hill looking down, saying "wasn't like that when *I* was down there" but I'd bet dollars to donuts it was. I bet we all had clothes/music/haircuts/manners that made adults cringe, at least I know I had the first three.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:42 am

RedGlitter;695607 wrote: Nah...too easy to say today's kids are devil spawn. I know too many who defy that notion. One in particular who would make any parent proud to have him. I think it's just the age gap. It's easy to be up on the hill looking down, saying "wasn't like that when *I* was down there" but I'd bet dollars to donuts it was. I bet we all had clothes/music/haircuts/manners that made adults cringe, at least I know I had the first three.

I remember my parents having a fit over the Beatles long hair. Remember the elephant leg jeans? As far as music, my brother listened to James Brown constantly. Give me rap any day! :wah:

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:03 am

Peg;695612 wrote: I remember my parents having a fit over the Beatles long hair. Remember the elephant leg jeans? As far as music, my brother listened to James Brown constantly. Give me rap any day! :wah:

:wah: My time was in the 80s...I wore tons of bright blue mascara and my eyelashes were so long that that my hair would catch in them. I was always pulling my hair off my eyelashes. So were my dates. :rolleyes: I wore Shades jeans and Levis cords as tight as I could get them (which now looking back must have been pretty nasty looking) and I'd beg Mom to peg them to a five inch hem. I could hardly get my feet through the ends but hey I was stylin'!

If she didn't peg my jeans, I'd fold them to my legs and wear safety pins to taper them. And I wore LA Brats sneakers- white with the big fat tongues.

I was ridiculous. I was proud to be a metal head. Most of my school was divided up into geeks/jocks (J. Geils Band) and headbangers (Motley Crue.) The punk rock element had just started to surface in my school and the staff didn't know what to make of it. (We were still a hick little river town then) The few punk and ska kids we had were looked on with a lot of suspicion. Why??! They were some of the coolest people there, made good grades, had good manners, some were even on the honor roll and in Soroptimists but because of their pink hair and safety pin earrings and boots, they were judged unfairly. "OMG! She's a punk rocker!!" That they would rather have druggy metal heads than the ska and punk crowd says a lot about my school back then.

Yep, I do remember the elephant pants, Peg...and my neighbor had several pairs of "Angel Flight" pants, which were polyester disco pants, fitted ungodly tight down to mid-calf where they were like bell bottoms. Ick.

I wish I had a scanner so I could show you my junior year picture. I had hippie hair and spiders on both eyes. :wah:

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:13 am

I do know that there are good kids out there... But sorry, I feel they are a very small group. And I know the reasons why the kids I described are the way that they are. No parents at home. Single parent familys. No dad in the picture. Both parents working in order for the family to survive. Then they are bombarded on a daily basis with horriffic acts of mass destruction, violence, terrorism on and on ... BUT I have read incredible stories ( as we all have) about young people who fight to hold onto a good outlook on life, despite hardship, and heart ache. Whatever the reasons, I come from a time that is difficult to forget Late 60s early 70s. I would help any young person who asked me... But Im not putting up with their disrespectful crap. And quite honestly, I am frightened by many of them. I see that dead zone look in their eyes.

Indian Princess · Post by **Indian Princess** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:24 am

I dont know guys, I was born in 1967 (what a great year) haha

but I do think this generation is down the hopper attitude wise, I see it in my own son, and thats with my ex being stern with him.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:25 am

Weeder, would you not say that the flip side of disrespectful kids is crabby older people with an inflated sense of entitlement?

I'm just not seeing it myself. I see "dead zone" people to be sure but they are across the board when it comes to their age.

I find myself becoming too old too fast and it happens every time I whine about some freshly plucked 22 year old behind a counter, giving me grief. I think "I have underwear older than you" which is true, I do know more than they do about many things as a rule since I've been around longer, but I never want to get so old that I stop seeing the benefit of what a non-jaded, fresh outlook can bring.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:04 pm

RedGlitter;695619 wrote: Weeder, would you not say that the flip side of disrespectful kids is crabby older people with an inflated sense of entitlement?

I'm just not seeing it myself. I see "dead zone" people to be sure but they are across the board when it comes to their age.

I find myself becoming too old too fast and it happens every time I whine about some freshly plucked 22 year old behind a counter, giving me grief. I think "I have underwear older than you" which is true, I do know more than they do about many things as a rule since I've been around longer, but I never want to get so old that I stop seeing the benefit of what a non-jaded, fresh outlook can bring.

Well Red, Ill tell you... where I live, there are zombies of all ages walking around. Your right. Just had a thing with an " Older miserable woman in the supermarket the other day. She absolutely HATED me because I felt that the Boars Head roast beef was too rare for me to buy. At 10.00 a pound, I think I have the right to decide. But we are over run with young people on drugs here. We are called one of the crystal meth capitols of the US. And the troops are always out tatooed from brow to bottom, riddled with holes, and wearing " I dare you faces" The image is definately a lot more awful than the time when the big deal was jeans and long hair.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:15 pm

I must admit im not sure of the daily news you get in America, Australia, Canada etc. But here in Britain, it seems that lately, every single day you hear of someone being shot, stabbed, kicked to death etc. usually by young people, and usually agianst older people

it never used to be this bad, im 47 so im not talking about 20 or 30 years ago when i say it didnt used to be this bad ,, im talking about maybe 4 or 5 years ago. Saying that i have and still do to an extenet work with young people and there are loads of great "young uns" :wah: things like their fashion or music dont bother me they are just enjoying life,, its the violence ( which seems to be an up coming trned) that bothers me.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:22 pm

weeder;695779 wrote: Well Red, Ill tell you... where I live, there are zombies of all ages walking around. Your right. Just had a thing with an " Older miserable woman in the supermarket the other day. She absolutely HATED me because I felt that the Boars Head roast beef was too rare for me to buy. At 10.00 a pound, I think I have the right to decide. But we are over run with young people on drugs here. We are called one of the crystal meth capitols of the US. And the troops are always out tatooed from brow to bottom, riddled with holes, and wearing " I dare you faces" The image is definately a lot more awful than the time when the big deal was jeans and long hair.

That's my son, he claims he was born wayyy too late....but he is a good kid, and has awesome friends who think I'm cool, so of course I know they are SMART too!

I'm very fortunate to be surrounded by good teenagers, and my son is responsible, and I've had my moments with him, but for the most part, he's a VERY good kid. And I'm proud...and well, I'm old too.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:05 pm

I do vaguely remember a quote from elders bemoaning the youth of the day, This was written in ancient roman times.:wah:

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:11 pm

Okay. These kids today are horrible. Where did they learn to be so horrible? TV? Parents? School? They didn't just wake up one morning and decide they wanted to become a horrible person. Has anyone taken a look at some of the elderly? While their looks may not scare you walking down the street, try dealing with them and their "society owes me" attitude.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:20 pm

I think that was well put, Peg.

It was mentioned that on the news some kid always kills an old person. I have a sneaking suspicion that in the media, that's about as accurate as every dog attack involves a pit bull. It's called ratings. Just watch those crap Springer shows- "My Daughter is a Slut!" "My Son Is a Father at 12!" Ratings!! Some kids are pretty bad, as some old people are too, but overall, I choose to have faith in both.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:16 pm

In my life, I have been mugged, I have been attacked in my car while driving, by a gang of about 20 youths all with woolly hats on and throwing stones, rocks, glass bottles and sticks at me - they rushed at me across the road totally out of the blue ! Yes I was injured but not badly fortunately, because I kept on driving. My house has been burgled 3 times, once while we were in it! We've had our car windows smashed outside our home. My son has had his small car rolled over, outside our home. There have been gangs of youths mooching about on our road just looking for mischief. We have had a stand-off situation with a gang of two dozen or so masked and baseballed youths threatening God knows what to us and our property, and all of them were threatening two pensioners and one young man. However, we won the day, only because my son produced a sword from behind his back - he would have used it if they had come through our front gate and they knew it, so because none of them wanted to be the first to test my son's resolve, they decided to shuffle away into the darkness. Oh and a neighbour had her little car burnt and written off ! All this was recorded on our CCTV, but the police told us it was not good enough to use as evidence - no positive I.D. of the youths. We have now got an Alsatian dog, which is often seen out on walks. We are now left alone, and in comparitive peace.

These are just a few of the incidents that I and my family have experienced in the last few years. All perpetrated by young people, without exception. Whoever says things have not got worse is living on another planet. Of course things have got worse, and of course a lot of the perpetrators are young people and of course they pick on older folks because they happen to be an easier target and less likely to fight back. Of course street crime and violent crime has got worse, because of drugs. Young people are dragged into that dreadful world, simply because it's the thing to do - like smoking when I was young. But these drugs, particularly Class A drugs, have far-reaching and far more sinister consequences.

Yes I am a pensioner, but I am no whimp. I'm afraid I have become rather hard where young people are concerned, well certainly those that hang around the streets in gangs. There are more and more of them, and most of them now seemed to have knives. It is getting much more frightening, because you just don't know if the three youths walking towards you have ill intent and possess knives, or not.

Oh yes, things have got much worse in the last few years, and it isn't because my outlook on life has changed because I am 'old'. It really is a lot worse than when I was young - there you go I've said it. But think about it a minute. Would you let your 10 and 14 year old children go to the cinema on a Friday night in the town, by themselves now? No ? Well we were allowed to do that because most people behaved, there was none of this everyday street violence. Would you even be prepared to let your 9 year old daughter go by herself on the bus to town on a Saturday, when there would be football crowds milling about ? No? Well I did that at the age of 9 to go to piano lessons right in the city centre, all through the crowds of people going to a football match !

I don't look with suspicion at youths now, just because I am 'old' - it's because they have earnt that mistrust. They used to be in the minority but I'm afraid that minority is just getting bigger by the month. And, because of my bad experiences with youths, you will have to understand why I am suspicious of youths, particularly when they are in groups of three or more.

Oh, and by the way, just in case you were wondering, we live in a very respectable residential area, in a suburb of a city.

JacksDad · Post by **JacksDad** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:05 pm

G#Gill;696429 wrote: :-6

Yes.

:D