I don't usually do these kind of "what have we come to?" kind of threads, but in this case all I can really think is exactly that: "what have we come to?" This is a story from the U.K, and it truly gob-smakingly awful.
Friday, October 27th, 2007.
A yob who "plumbed the depths of degredation" by urinating on a disabled woman as she lay dying in the street was today jailed for three years.
Anthony Anderson laughed as he defiled Christine Lakinski, telling his friend, who was filming the sick act on a mobile phone: "This is YouTube material."
Anderson, 27, was watched by a cheering crowd as he carried out a series of humiliating attacks on the 50-year-old, which Judge Peter Fox today described as "a shockingly sad story".
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"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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The sentence was a travesty.
3 bloody years?
He should have been given the maximum possible sentence.
If the maximum was 3 years, the law needs to be revised.
3 bloody years?
He should have been given the maximum possible sentence.
If the maximum was 3 years, the law needs to be revised.
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
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OMG what a sick individual,maybe spaced on drugs the downfall of society nowadays
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I don't know lads, its so mind boggling I don't even know what to think about it, what in the name of jesus is wrong with some people, it nearly makes you be ashamed to be a human being. This scumbag covered this dying disabled woman with shaving foam, kicked her, and urinated on her as she lay dying, while people cheered and filmed it for you tube. Society has truly hit a new low I think. 
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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That's something that goes beyond words. I am stunned.
I still say there's one who was born bad. I don't care what happened to him in his childhood, what he did is inexcusable.
Indeed, WTF is wrong with him and also with the POS who stood there filming it and with the other wastes of sperm and eggs who allowed it to happen.
I mean, what the hell just happened here!?
He should get life for that and so should the "film artist" so they can be extinguished painfully in prison. And those people who watched it? Life. And nothing less.
I don't even know what to say to this. It makes me not want to live in this world anymore.
Edit: that judge should be kicked off the bench for his pathetic 3 year judgement.
"A shockingly sad story?" Is that all?
I still say there's one who was born bad. I don't care what happened to him in his childhood, what he did is inexcusable.
Indeed, WTF is wrong with him and also with the POS who stood there filming it and with the other wastes of sperm and eggs who allowed it to happen.
I mean, what the hell just happened here!?
He should get life for that and so should the "film artist" so they can be extinguished painfully in prison. And those people who watched it? Life. And nothing less.
I don't even know what to say to this. It makes me not want to live in this world anymore.
Edit: that judge should be kicked off the bench for his pathetic 3 year judgement.
"A shockingly sad story?" Is that all?
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This makes me so sick Gal,
We're having a similar problem in near-by Toms River, NJ. There are a group of young high school boys who think that it is very appropriate to go into the woods and torment the homeless people who live there. They've even gone so far as to beat these homeless men within an inch of their lives. And these children live and go to school in my district. That is so upsetting to me. I know these children come from good homes and good parents.
We're having a similar problem in near-by Toms River, NJ. There are a group of young high school boys who think that it is very appropriate to go into the woods and torment the homeless people who live there. They've even gone so far as to beat these homeless men within an inch of their lives. And these children live and go to school in my district. That is so upsetting to me. I know these children come from good homes and good parents.
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I agree with everyone. That was a sickening act. This isn't an isolated incident right?. These kinds of things are happening all the time. Child and domestic abuse, among other absurdities of human nature, falls into the same category. What can be done about people who do these things? While I'm no expert, I don't think it is even right to think that people like this are some kind of lower life form, deserving to be banned to hell or something. Most people do things that are outrageous, maybe not to the degree depicted here, but juvenile idiotic unthinking impulsive violations against other persons that are just lesser degrees of the same type of taunting. I'm of the opinion that it does matter what happened to adults in childhood. If we don't recognize this then how can we change the conditions for children of our world who are experiencing horrible things right this very minute. IM****ingHO
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Dr. G I don't have words for how disgusting and sick this story is. I agree some people just have no respect for human life, or dignity of any kind. He should have received a lot more than 3 years what a totally scum bag..
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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magenta flame;713337 wrote: Do you have a link to that story and what was the particular offence that he committed?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 746778.ece
He pled guilty to outraging public decency and was given a three year jail term.
I expect the court reduced the maximum possible sentence in recognition that he was an ex-soldier, don't you? The British Army always did recruit from among the dregs of society but the judge no doubt felt that his service to the nation extenuated his action to some extent. They train them to be rough and nasty when push comes to shove, these squaddies.
You think that's harsh? You should hear me when I get started about the complete immunity enjoyed by the police over here, may they rot.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 746778.ece
He pled guilty to outraging public decency and was given a three year jail term.
I expect the court reduced the maximum possible sentence in recognition that he was an ex-soldier, don't you? The British Army always did recruit from among the dregs of society but the judge no doubt felt that his service to the nation extenuated his action to some extent. They train them to be rough and nasty when push comes to shove, these squaddies.
You think that's harsh? You should hear me when I get started about the complete immunity enjoyed by the police over here, may they rot.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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watermark;713331 wrote: I agree with everyone. That was a sickening act. This isn't an isolated incident right?. These kinds of things are happening all the time. Child and domestic abuse, among other absurdities of human nature, falls into the same category. What can be done about people who do these things? While I'm no expert, I don't think it is even right to think that people like this are some kind of lower life form, deserving to be banned to hell or something. Most people do things that are outrageous, maybe not to the degree depicted here, but juvenile idiotic unthinking impulsive violations against other persons that are just lesser degrees of the same type of taunting. I'm of the opinion that it does matter what happened to adults in childhood. If we don't recognize this then how can we change the conditions for children of our world who are experiencing horrible things right this very minute. IM****ingHO
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Which is part of the reason why at least in America, creeps walk free. We've got to stop excusing crime because somebody burnt their kid with a cigarette. That's tiresome and obviously it isn't working to stop crime.
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Which is part of the reason why at least in America, creeps walk free. We've got to stop excusing crime because somebody burnt their kid with a cigarette. That's tiresome and obviously it isn't working to stop crime.
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RedGlitter;713363 wrote: We've got to stop excusing crime because somebody burnt their kid with a cigarette.May we have an example to dissect please?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I hate to sound old school here, but when we ask what is wrong with people these days, we don’t need to look further than the media. Look at the shows that always push the limits. Look at the show Jackass, where people do the stupidest sh1t to themselves and each other. That is mild compared to what can be found on the internet and even worse again some of the video/computer games that are out there.
Do you know that there is a computer game that the objective is to kidnap a person and to torture the person? Points are scored for the most pain you can inflict on a victim without killing the person. If the person dies you loose. The game is for ‘adults’ (although why it is OK even for an adult is beyond me). This is the kind of stuff kids are exposed to, and we are supposed to believe that it does not influence behaviour? Then we wonder what the hell is wrong with people?
Do you know that there is a computer game that the objective is to kidnap a person and to torture the person? Points are scored for the most pain you can inflict on a victim without killing the person. If the person dies you loose. The game is for ‘adults’ (although why it is OK even for an adult is beyond me). This is the kind of stuff kids are exposed to, and we are supposed to believe that it does not influence behaviour? Then we wonder what the hell is wrong with people?
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Here is another sicko. The Chess Board Killer in Russia
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexami ... qqqx=1.asp
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexami ... qqqx=1.asp
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spot;713346 wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 746778.ece
He pled guilty to outraging public decency and was given a three year jail term.
I expect the court reduced the maximum possible sentence in recognition that he was an ex-soldier, don't you? The British Army always did recruit from among the dregs of society but the judge no doubt felt that his service to the nation extenuated his action to some extent. They train them to be rough and nasty when push comes to shove, these squaddies.
You think that's harsh? You should hear me when I get started about the complete immunity enjoyed by the police over here, may they rot.
No. Judges are restricted as to the maximum sentence they can impose and have to follow laid down guidelines. An inconvenient fact politicians like to ignore when condemning lenient sentences-it's not always the judge being a big softie.
If anything the instinct would have been to hand out a stiffer sentence because he had been a soldier since you would hold him to a higher standard and also arrest those who stood around laughing. You do rather seem to have a down on soldiers for some reason.
He pled guilty to outraging public decency and was given a three year jail term.
I expect the court reduced the maximum possible sentence in recognition that he was an ex-soldier, don't you? The British Army always did recruit from among the dregs of society but the judge no doubt felt that his service to the nation extenuated his action to some extent. They train them to be rough and nasty when push comes to shove, these squaddies.
You think that's harsh? You should hear me when I get started about the complete immunity enjoyed by the police over here, may they rot.
No. Judges are restricted as to the maximum sentence they can impose and have to follow laid down guidelines. An inconvenient fact politicians like to ignore when condemning lenient sentences-it's not always the judge being a big softie.
If anything the instinct would have been to hand out a stiffer sentence because he had been a soldier since you would hold him to a higher standard and also arrest those who stood around laughing. You do rather seem to have a down on soldiers for some reason.
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Galbally;713243 wrote: I don't usually do these kind of "what have we come to?" kind of threads, but in this case all I can really think is exactly that: "what have we come to?" This is a story from the U.K, and it truly gob-smakingly awful.
Friday, October 27th, 2007.
A yob who "plumbed the depths of degredation" by urinating on a disabled woman as she lay dying in the street was today jailed for three years.
Anthony Anderson laughed as he defiled Christine Lakinski, telling his friend, who was filming the sick act on a mobile phone: "This is YouTube material."
Anderson, 27, was watched by a cheering crowd as he carried out a series of humiliating attacks on the 50-year-old, which Judge Peter Fox today described as "a shockingly sad story".
Words completely fail me
Friday, October 27th, 2007.
A yob who "plumbed the depths of degredation" by urinating on a disabled woman as she lay dying in the street was today jailed for three years.
Anthony Anderson laughed as he defiled Christine Lakinski, telling his friend, who was filming the sick act on a mobile phone: "This is YouTube material."
Anderson, 27, was watched by a cheering crowd as he carried out a series of humiliating attacks on the 50-year-old, which Judge Peter Fox today described as "a shockingly sad story".
Words completely fail me
Very nearly perfect ... 
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gmc;713381 wrote: No. Judges are restricted as to the maximum sentence they can impose and have to follow laid down guidelines. An inconvenient fact politicians like to ignore when condemning lenient sentences-it's not always the judge being a big softie.
If anything the instinct would have been to hand out a stiffer sentence because he had been a soldier since you would hold him to a higher standard and also arrest those who stood around laughing. You do rather seem to have a down on soldiers for some reason.
I do not, you understand, speak for Scotland here, but the English position is wonderfully arcane and ancient.
Outraging public decency can, as the newspapers said, be tried in either a Magistrate Court (where a lower limiting maximum sentence exists) or in the Crown Court for more serious offences. There it doesn't carry any maximum sentence, being one of those few remaining criminal offences which are contrary to common law rather than to statute.
The Sentencing Guideline Council has nothing to say with regard to Outraging public decency other than, in effect, good luck.
In practice, "the Clerk will trawl for recent cases and bring copies along for the bench to read" - though, looking back, modern judgements do seem to refer a lot to 19th century cases.
So what we actually have is a Crown Court law where there is no sentencing guideline (other than the generic "what to do if the defendant pleads guilty") and a possible maximum of a life sentence. I've found reference to a sentence of life with a minimum tariff of 18 months for instance which must have pleased the judge immeasurably, he'll have talked about that one at his club for years after. So, anyone wants to take a dig at soft sentencing, this is one of the few cases where you can let rip. It is absolutely at the discretion of the High Court judge and nobody else.
I "have a down on soldiers for some reason"? Not at all, you must have mistaken my lamentable syntax earlier, the dogs.
If anything the instinct would have been to hand out a stiffer sentence because he had been a soldier since you would hold him to a higher standard and also arrest those who stood around laughing. You do rather seem to have a down on soldiers for some reason.
I do not, you understand, speak for Scotland here, but the English position is wonderfully arcane and ancient.
Outraging public decency can, as the newspapers said, be tried in either a Magistrate Court (where a lower limiting maximum sentence exists) or in the Crown Court for more serious offences. There it doesn't carry any maximum sentence, being one of those few remaining criminal offences which are contrary to common law rather than to statute.
The Sentencing Guideline Council has nothing to say with regard to Outraging public decency other than, in effect, good luck.
In practice, "the Clerk will trawl for recent cases and bring copies along for the bench to read" - though, looking back, modern judgements do seem to refer a lot to 19th century cases.
So what we actually have is a Crown Court law where there is no sentencing guideline (other than the generic "what to do if the defendant pleads guilty") and a possible maximum of a life sentence. I've found reference to a sentence of life with a minimum tariff of 18 months for instance which must have pleased the judge immeasurably, he'll have talked about that one at his club for years after. So, anyone wants to take a dig at soft sentencing, this is one of the few cases where you can let rip. It is absolutely at the discretion of the High Court judge and nobody else.
I "have a down on soldiers for some reason"? Not at all, you must have mistaken my lamentable syntax earlier, the dogs.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I think another issue they will have is where to find a cell for this scumbag, apparently the jails are full in England and Wales aren't they? I wish we didn't have low lives like this guy in Ireland, unfortunatly we do, far too many of them.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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RedGlitter;713363 wrote: Which is part of the reason why at least in America, creeps walk free. We've got to stop excusing crime because somebody burnt their kid with a cigarette. That's tiresome and obviously it isn't working to stop crime.
Hi RG-
I wasn't aware that the courts took into account an adult's childhood experiences when doling out sentences. I rather think it's pretty rare that the courts would excuse crimes such as these because of the person's supposed bad childhood. That would be hard to prove in the court that a person did indeed suffer abuse that directly influenced the criminal action. It's even difficult for defendants (is that correct term?) to claim guilty by reason of insanity.
No, I think the reason crimes like these are repeated is due to the fact that the system for punishing has failed all of us. There are too many loopholes through which convicted criminals are allowed to escape a full and just punishment and enables criminals to become repeat offenders. The biggest problem in my opinion has to do with lack of prevention to stop these kinds of people to do these bad things. That is where prevention of childhood abuse and neglect comes into play. I firmly believe that many sickos had a sick childhood. That's not to say that all people who were exposed to lousy upbringing become sickos. That is definitely NOT true and probably the reasoning behind the court's refusal to use "bad childhood" as an excuse for these heinous acts.
Erin
Hi RG-
I wasn't aware that the courts took into account an adult's childhood experiences when doling out sentences. I rather think it's pretty rare that the courts would excuse crimes such as these because of the person's supposed bad childhood. That would be hard to prove in the court that a person did indeed suffer abuse that directly influenced the criminal action. It's even difficult for defendants (is that correct term?) to claim guilty by reason of insanity.
No, I think the reason crimes like these are repeated is due to the fact that the system for punishing has failed all of us. There are too many loopholes through which convicted criminals are allowed to escape a full and just punishment and enables criminals to become repeat offenders. The biggest problem in my opinion has to do with lack of prevention to stop these kinds of people to do these bad things. That is where prevention of childhood abuse and neglect comes into play. I firmly believe that many sickos had a sick childhood. That's not to say that all people who were exposed to lousy upbringing become sickos. That is definitely NOT true and probably the reasoning behind the court's refusal to use "bad childhood" as an excuse for these heinous acts.
Erin
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Itsme;713470 wrote: . Where, once, the local bobby would have given young bruisers a clout round the ear, the opposite happens now. Where once we ran when we saw a policeman, even though we were complete innocent of any wrongdoing, some youth of today feel it a badge of honour to commit a crime openly. It's about time we got into real punishment to fit the crime.
I agree with you on this.
People try to push the limits these days & think it is fun.
It isn't the police that make the laws it's the governments.
When we were young we had respect for anyone in authority,the police knew us by name & we knew that if we did wrong they would toe us in the bum & then get a message to our parents & we would cop it when we got home.
I respect anyone who is in the forces be it police,navy,army,whatever.
I wouldn't want to have to do some of the things they do,let alone see what they see & then go on home & try to forget & live a "normal" life.
How would you ever forget seeing someone dead in a car accident,been blown up by a bomb & all the rest that goes with the job.
Sorry for getting off topic but I think those in the forces need to know people do appreciate what they do:D
I agree with you on this.
People try to push the limits these days & think it is fun.
It isn't the police that make the laws it's the governments.
When we were young we had respect for anyone in authority,the police knew us by name & we knew that if we did wrong they would toe us in the bum & then get a message to our parents & we would cop it when we got home.
I respect anyone who is in the forces be it police,navy,army,whatever.
I wouldn't want to have to do some of the things they do,let alone see what they see & then go on home & try to forget & live a "normal" life.
How would you ever forget seeing someone dead in a car accident,been blown up by a bomb & all the rest that goes with the job.
Sorry for getting off topic but I think those in the forces need to know people do appreciate what they do:D
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Am I the only one still disturbed by this sickening act? I'm really not interested in what cops do or don't do at this point or where "we" as a society go or went wrong. I see this as representative of one individual's personal makeup. When a "regular" crime happens, we're fast to pin it on "troubled childhood." "Parents drank." "Mom worked." Blablabla. I'm sure not willing to pin excuses on this one. This is not a"regular" crime. No car was hijacked, no store was robbed, not even a simple drive-by. (Yes that is sarcasm) You know how I feel about the concept of "hate crime" and how I don't buy it, but if ever there were such a thing, this would be it. This garbage pissed on a woman who couldn't move out of the street. At some point you have to stop blaming your parents for your behavior and grow up. It's time for us to make people pay for their actions instead of mollycoddling them because they were mistreated. How do you explain those of us who had a bad childhood or whatever and don't knock over people in wheelchairs and urinate on them?!
And these bottomfeeders who stood there watching? They're garbage too. That dark side of humanity, that vicious pack mentality, was in full force that day. They need to pay too.
I'm disgusted by the whole mess. I'm also disgusted by the fact this will probably get buried under all the Iraq crap and nooses in trees etc, etc, and it'll be forgotten. I'm disgusted!!
And these bottomfeeders who stood there watching? They're garbage too. That dark side of humanity, that vicious pack mentality, was in full force that day. They need to pay too.
I'm disgusted by the whole mess. I'm also disgusted by the fact this will probably get buried under all the Iraq crap and nooses in trees etc, etc, and it'll be forgotten. I'm disgusted!!
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A number of posts have been Moderator Moved to the compost pile to tidy this thread back to topicality.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Scrat;713466 wrote: Do a google search for Zina Linnik Spot. A 12 year old girl who was abducted and raped and strangled on the 4th of July 2007. An article is below. May want to google Marie Robinson also. Things like this happen all of the time here, it's not even surprising anymore. I don't care about what the courts say anymore, just off people like these. They have no place in a decent society.I'm not sure how the cases you brought up compare to the one which led to the thread's creation. The case here relates to a man mocking and urinating on a corpse - I'm not sure whether evidence exists that she was merely unconscious and dying at the time, but she was certainly dead when she was checked by medics an hour later and she was never conscious of the offence before, during or after. As offences go I'd rather see a parent who continually and forcefully slapped her child in a supermarket prosecuted than the man being discussed. Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died. Where does "a 12 year old girl who was abducted and raped and strangled" come into the picture?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;713662 wrote: . The case here relates to a man mocking and urinating on a corpse - I'm not sure whether evidence exists that she was merely unconscious and dying at the time, but she was certainly dead when she was checked by medics an hour later and she was never conscious of the offence before, during or after. As offences go I'd rather see a parent who continually and forcefully slapped her child in a supermarket prosecuted than the man being discussed. Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died. Where does "a 12 year old girl who was abducted and raped and strangled" come into the picture?
And you think mocking & urinating on a corpse is ok because she wasn't concious as to what was happening???
That weirdo piece of nothing needs to be locked up as do those who watched the whole thing.
Sick is sick no matter what way you look at it.
I slapped my children in the supermarket when they did wrong.
I would love to see someone try to prosecute me for that,then again maybe it is better for them to run wild, knocking things of shelves etc.
I don't know how old you are Spot,but just from reading your posts I am assuming you are an older person?
Do you have children & did you ever slap them when they did the wrong thing?
And you think mocking & urinating on a corpse is ok because she wasn't concious as to what was happening???
That weirdo piece of nothing needs to be locked up as do those who watched the whole thing.
Sick is sick no matter what way you look at it.
I slapped my children in the supermarket when they did wrong.
I would love to see someone try to prosecute me for that,then again maybe it is better for them to run wild, knocking things of shelves etc.
I don't know how old you are Spot,but just from reading your posts I am assuming you are an older person?
Do you have children & did you ever slap them when they did the wrong thing?
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dunkin1;713668 wrote: And you think mocking & urinating on a corpse is ok because she wasn't concious as to what was happening???How do you read that into what I wrote? Of course it isn't ok. I don't believe I implied it was ok either. I said I'd rather see a parent who continually and forcefully slapped her child in a supermarket prosecuted than the man being discussed because the man was in fact obviously harming nobody, outrageous though his conduct was, while a parent who continually and forcefully slaps her child in a supermarket is obviously harming the child.
dunkin1 wrote: That weirdo piece of nothing needs to be locked up as do those who watched the whole thing.
Sick is sick no matter what way you look at it.No, sick is whatever a given culture and society decides is sick. Homosexuality was "sick" fifty years ago in England and people were jailed for practicing it. Being a Roman Catholic was "sick" in Elizabethan England and priests were executed for celebrating Mass. Heresy was "sick" seven hundred years ago in England and people were executed for expressing it. Being Jewish was "sick" eight hundred years ago in England and people were banished for being it.
dunkin1 wrote: I slapped my children in the supermarket when they did wrong.
I would love to see someone try to prosecute me for that,then again maybe it is better for them to run wild, knocking things of shelves etc.
I don't know how old you are Spot,but just from reading your posts I am assuming you are an older person?
Do you have children & did you ever slap them when they did the wrong thing?I'd describe myself as a younger person but, like sick, it's a relative term. I have four and I've never in my life slapped any of them in public or in private. To the best of my knowledge they've never been slapped by anybody. I'd defy anyone to tell me they've ever run wild or that they're not an asset to the community.
dunkin1 wrote: That weirdo piece of nothing needs to be locked up as do those who watched the whole thing.
Sick is sick no matter what way you look at it.No, sick is whatever a given culture and society decides is sick. Homosexuality was "sick" fifty years ago in England and people were jailed for practicing it. Being a Roman Catholic was "sick" in Elizabethan England and priests were executed for celebrating Mass. Heresy was "sick" seven hundred years ago in England and people were executed for expressing it. Being Jewish was "sick" eight hundred years ago in England and people were banished for being it.
dunkin1 wrote: I slapped my children in the supermarket when they did wrong.
I would love to see someone try to prosecute me for that,then again maybe it is better for them to run wild, knocking things of shelves etc.
I don't know how old you are Spot,but just from reading your posts I am assuming you are an older person?
Do you have children & did you ever slap them when they did the wrong thing?I'd describe myself as a younger person but, like sick, it's a relative term. I have four and I've never in my life slapped any of them in public or in private. To the best of my knowledge they've never been slapped by anybody. I'd defy anyone to tell me they've ever run wild or that they're not an asset to the community.
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spot;713662 wrote: I'm not sure how the cases you brought up compare to the one which led to the thread's creation. The case here relates to a man mocking and urinating on a corpse - I'm not sure whether evidence exists that she was merely unconscious and dying at the time, but she was certainly dead when she was checked by medics an hour later and she was never conscious of the offence before, during or after. As offences go I'd rather see a parent who continually and forcefully slapped her child in a supermarket prosecuted than the man being discussed. Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died.
Spot, did you just actually say this?? This is going too far even for me. I don't know if that woman was unconscious or not but it does not matter. So now we've gone from degrading and assaulting a human being to merely defiling a corpse?! I have to call you out on this one. You're wrong here. Wrong.
Spot, did you just actually say this?? This is going too far even for me. I don't know if that woman was unconscious or not but it does not matter. So now we've gone from degrading and assaulting a human being to merely defiling a corpse?! I have to call you out on this one. You're wrong here. Wrong.
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RedGlitter;713827 wrote: Spot, did you just actually say this?? This is going too far even for me. I don't know if that woman was unconscious or not but it does not matter. So now we've gone from degrading and assaulting a human being to merely defiling a corpse?! I have to call you out on this one. You're wrong here. Wrong.
I did make a shot at explaining why I thought it - perhaps you could do the same?
I did make a shot at explaining why I thought it - perhaps you could do the same?
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spot;713831 wrote: I did make a shot at explaining why I thought it - perhaps you could do the same?
I'd be happy to Spot, if this thread ever returns to what we're actually talking about. This thread is a disgrace.
I'd be happy to Spot, if this thread ever returns to what we're actually talking about. This thread is a disgrace.
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RedGlitter;713840 wrote: I'd be happy to Spot, if this thread ever returns to what we're actually talking about. This thread is a disgrace.
We were on topic three posts ago - what's changed?
We were on topic three posts ago - what's changed?
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spot;713845 wrote: We were on topic three posts ago - what's changed?
You're right, as long as you and I are still on topic that's what's important.
First off, emotions aside, I do understand the point you tried to make. Legally, that might even hold up. But...I think when we start applying "they were already dead so nobody got hurt" to it, it sets a very dangerous precedent for our ethical world and society in general. I don't want to live in a world that thinks it's not so bad to do this because the woman was already dead. (Was she dead? Why? I haven't seen a story.) I mean as it is, necrophilia is not illegal in most of the US and you could say that's acceptable because the body is dead but...it's not your body to do that with. So, if this woman was already dead, are we saying she no longer owned her corpse? That she was reduced to public litter to be done with as anyone saw fit because she was dead?! That's very dangerous territory Spot. It opens up all kinds of foul ways of for people to think and act and opens up excuses for their behavior. There should be no kind of reasoning for this behavior, because in this case anyway, along with reason, comes justification.
You're right, as long as you and I are still on topic that's what's important.
First off, emotions aside, I do understand the point you tried to make. Legally, that might even hold up. But...I think when we start applying "they were already dead so nobody got hurt" to it, it sets a very dangerous precedent for our ethical world and society in general. I don't want to live in a world that thinks it's not so bad to do this because the woman was already dead. (Was she dead? Why? I haven't seen a story.) I mean as it is, necrophilia is not illegal in most of the US and you could say that's acceptable because the body is dead but...it's not your body to do that with. So, if this woman was already dead, are we saying she no longer owned her corpse? That she was reduced to public litter to be done with as anyone saw fit because she was dead?! That's very dangerous territory Spot. It opens up all kinds of foul ways of for people to think and act and opens up excuses for their behavior. There should be no kind of reasoning for this behavior, because in this case anyway, along with reason, comes justification.
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And that, you feel, is worse than a parent continually and forcefully slapping her child in a supermarket? The post you queried was comparative and I've made if clear that I don't consider the urination to have been socially acceptable. I've not even criticized the sentence.
I don't know whether she was dead - nobody knows that - I do know she was at all times totally unaware of what was done.
I don't know whether she was dead - nobody knows that - I do know she was at all times totally unaware of what was done.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Scrat;713885 wrote: But now society knows what was done, and apparently society is not going to tolerate it, had I seen it I would have laid the fool flat out on his back, no jury would convict me. You're off base on this one Spot.
I often am! I'm still interested in the reason my comparison fails though. Nobody's tried that one yet.
I often am! I'm still interested in the reason my comparison fails though. Nobody's tried that one yet.
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spot;713859 wrote: And that, you feel, is worse than a parent continually and forcefully slapping her child in a supermarket?
Yes I do. And I'm sure you know how I feel about parents hitting their kids.
I don't know whether she was dead - nobody knows that - I do know she was at all times totally unaware of what was done.
How do you know she wasn't aware? Even comatose people have been proven to be aware of stuff that's going on. Spot, it doesn't make it any less heinous if the woman was not aware.
spot;713886 wrote: I often am! I'm still interested in the reason my comparison fails though. Nobody's tried that one yet.
The child (unless we're talking below walking age) has a chance at running away. Hitting a kid involves humiliation. Urinating on a person involves degradation. I don't believe the two are the same or interchangeable. I would also go as far as to say that regardless of my feelings about it, hitting a kid is still looked at by society as a socially proper method of discipline (again I don't agree) and is in rare occasions, warranted, whereas urinating on someone serves no purpose whatsoever and is not socially acceptable. Having said that, I am not saying hitting a kid is "right" because society says so. But I do feel your comparison is equivalent to apples and lugnuts, that's how far apart they are.
Yes I do. And I'm sure you know how I feel about parents hitting their kids.
I don't know whether she was dead - nobody knows that - I do know she was at all times totally unaware of what was done.
How do you know she wasn't aware? Even comatose people have been proven to be aware of stuff that's going on. Spot, it doesn't make it any less heinous if the woman was not aware.
spot;713886 wrote: I often am! I'm still interested in the reason my comparison fails though. Nobody's tried that one yet.
The child (unless we're talking below walking age) has a chance at running away. Hitting a kid involves humiliation. Urinating on a person involves degradation. I don't believe the two are the same or interchangeable. I would also go as far as to say that regardless of my feelings about it, hitting a kid is still looked at by society as a socially proper method of discipline (again I don't agree) and is in rare occasions, warranted, whereas urinating on someone serves no purpose whatsoever and is not socially acceptable. Having said that, I am not saying hitting a kid is "right" because society says so. But I do feel your comparison is equivalent to apples and lugnuts, that's how far apart they are.
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Let's face it people do ugly base things and unless they do these things in view nobody does or says a damn thing about them. Once I saw a woman smack this around 5 year old kid in the Target store. The kid started crying and defiantly and courageously told her that he was gonna tell his mom when he got home, at which point she slapped him again. The little boy's brother was walking alongside the cart keeping his mouth shut and out of harm's way. The woman started calling the boy names and slapped him again this time on the head, and from my perspective extremely hard and over the line. Did I stand by and watch this?? Are you crazy! I definitely didn't stand by and watch but yelled at her to stop with the brutish behavior and what did she think she was accomplishing by this sort of child management. She of course told me to mind my own business and I thought she'd come over where I was and punch me, but I told her that no I would not, that this was my business. At that she screamed that it wasn't my business and I said yes it was because that child would grow up and be a part of my world and my children's world and that made it my business. Then she strolled away. I thought she might stalk me out in the parking lot with her 45 but no, she was nowhere to be seen. I guess most people who resort to bossing kids around like that are the weaklings of the world. Anyway it was only because I saw this happen that I did anyting about it, I can only imagine how much of this goes on behind closed doors.
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I am not sure why this thread has gone the way it has, but the reason why I posted this story was because this is a truly awful, awful story and what happened to that poor woman shouldn't happen to anyone and the man who treated her that way was beneath comtempt.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;713994 wrote: I am not sure why this thread has gone the way it has, but the reason why I posted this story was because this is a truly awful, awful story and what happened to that poor woman shouldn't happen to anyone and the man who treated her that way was beneath comtempt.
I agree with you 100%.
That poor woman.
Anyone who thinks this sort of behaviour is acceptable is just as bad as the person who did this vile thing & those who stood by & watched.
I still can't believe anyone would do such a thing.
I agree with you 100%.
That poor woman.
Anyone who thinks this sort of behaviour is acceptable is just as bad as the person who did this vile thing & those who stood by & watched.
I still can't believe anyone would do such a thing.
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He should be forced to wear a sandwich board that says, "POSTER CHILD FOR ABORTION"
When choosing between two evils, I always like to take the one I've never tried before.
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It seems to me that he's serving a three year sentence for breaking a societal taboo. I don't think taboo should be a guiding light to judicial severity. Would anyone like to tell me what harm he caused, for example? Who he hurt? He's been given the same sentence a road-rage killer was given. Where's the comparison?
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spot;714200 wrote: It seems to me that he's serving a three year sentence for breaking a societal taboo. I don't think taboo should be a guiding light to judicial severity. Would anyone like to tell me what harm he caused, for example? Who he hurt? He's been given the same sentence a road-rage killer was given. Where's the comparison?
Spot, his behaviour was despicable, thats the bottom line here. I am not goign to argue the larger social aspects, to my mind, based on the facts published, this young man has earned his three years, actually more than three years, he got off lightly. Its not acceptable to treat people in this manner.
Spot, his behaviour was despicable, thats the bottom line here. I am not goign to argue the larger social aspects, to my mind, based on the facts published, this young man has earned his three years, actually more than three years, he got off lightly. Its not acceptable to treat people in this manner.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;713994 wrote: I am not sure why this thread has gone the way it has, but the reason why I posted this story was because this is a truly awful, awful story and what happened to that poor woman shouldn't happen to anyone and the man who treated her that way was beneath comtempt.
Hi Galbally-
For me the story sparked other ideas I had, that's probably why I deviated from the topic. Some of the associations that came to my mind instigated by other posters as well,
-degree of punishment not fit the crime, but how does a society modulate this?
-witnessing such an incidence, why don't people get involved when they see this stuff taking place?
-prevention of such outlandish acts, where's our community value system?
-where was this woman's friend or relative or somebody who would take care of her? who let this happen?
gotta say I didn't read the article so set me straight if you wish, I would love it actually. but anyway, that's why the thread went this way I think. there's only so many "sorry that's awful", "that guy was such a lowlifer", and on and so forth, I mean what good does that do anyone??
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Hi Galbally-
For me the story sparked other ideas I had, that's probably why I deviated from the topic. Some of the associations that came to my mind instigated by other posters as well,
-degree of punishment not fit the crime, but how does a society modulate this?
-witnessing such an incidence, why don't people get involved when they see this stuff taking place?
-prevention of such outlandish acts, where's our community value system?
-where was this woman's friend or relative or somebody who would take care of her? who let this happen?
gotta say I didn't read the article so set me straight if you wish, I would love it actually. but anyway, that's why the thread went this way I think. there's only so many "sorry that's awful", "that guy was such a lowlifer", and on and so forth, I mean what good does that do anyone??
ciao
E