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When I first arrived in the USA I was amazed at how many people fly the Stars and Stripes in their front yards. Not little flags, but great big flags with enormous flag poles. I guess it shows pride in your country - or is there another reason? Do other countries do that a lot too - I don't think its big in the UK (unless it was only where I lived in the UK).

Also, I have been told if I wanted to fly the George Cross that I have to have it flying under the Stars and Stripes. I can't find any rules about this, but am assuming its 'etiquette' as you are in that country. Although, I see Mexican flags displayed on there own quite regularly.

Are there rules in other countries about flying a different countries flag?

I don't have any problem with this - although I would rather do it by choice, and because I might get my house egged :). Just wondering about other countries - what the rules are :-6
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Hang on ... I just found this ...

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here's the rule in the US...

When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

Be very careful you don't breach this bit though, they'll never let you out...

Crepe streamers may be affixed to spear heads or flagstaffs in a parade only by order of the President of the United States.

(notes from http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html)

And specific to the question it says:

The Flag Code ... does not require you to fly the US flag and it does not forbid you from displaying a foreign flag. For example, someone with Irish heritage may proudly fly an Irish flag and is not required to fly the US flag.

I'll try to find what's done in England.
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jimbo;719480 wrote: if you fly the union jack or the flag of st george in England





you will be deemed a rascist and be made take it down :-5:-5


Seriously ???

You have got to be kidding right??
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spot;719478 wrote: here's the rule in the US...

When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

Be very careful you don't breach this bit though, they'll never let you out...

Crepe streamers may be affixed to spear heads or flagstaffs in a parade only by order of the President of the United States.

(notes from http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html)

And specific to the question it says:

The Flag Code ... does not require you to fly the US flag and it does not forbid you from displaying a foreign flag. For example, someone with Irish heritage may proudly fly an Irish flag and is not required to fly the US flag.



I'll try to find what's done in England.


This is very confusing, the news report I posted above contradicts that :-3
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jimbo;719483 wrote: i kid you not i know of a few people that have been told to take it down :thinking::-5





http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 346AAsnZFN


Thats disgusting!!! You should be able to fly your own flag in your own country!! :mad: or in any country for that matter.

What are the rules regarding foreign flags in the UK - I bet thats fine - no one would challenge that. Like building churches and naming street for certain countries :-5
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Jimbo, what group would prevent you from flying either flag? There are laws, you know. Pointing to someone else making the same complaint on answers.com is scarcely the same as taking advice.

There was a squabble a while back about whether councils could penalize public houses for incorrectly - that means wrong angles, not wrong flag - displaying the English flag. Nothing about racism. Can we try to burrow into this and find out what's underneath it?
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jimbo;719480 wrote: if you fly the union jack or the flag of st george in England







you will be deemed a rascist and be made take it down :-5:-5


2right, that sucks.
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Now I'm confused on what the laws are in both UK and USA. There seems to be contradiction everywhere - websites, news stories, own experiences etc. It would be interesting to find out the true laws for both countries.
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I fly a 3' by 5' Stars & Stripes flag on a pole in front of my house on "all" hoildays. I flew it on Sunday in honor of Veterans day! And if I leave it out at dusk I make sure it has a "light" shining on it, per the rules! :)
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jimbo;719520 wrote: i cant see how flying your flag makes you a racist slippy:rolleyes:





but i hate every one so i'm not predujist at all :D


The problem might be that you're behind the times Jimbo. Here's the current position:Baroness Royall of Blaisdon: The Department for Communities and Local Government expects the new control of advertisements regulations to come into force on 6 January 2007. Once the regulations come into force, individuals, local authorities and other organisations wishing to fly the EU flag, and, indeed, the Commonwealth flag, the flag of the United Nations, English county flags and saints flags, when associated with a particular county, will not need prior permission from the local planning authority as is currently the case.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1-0015.htm



and with particular regard to the BBC article you quoted:It's time to get out the flags - the bureaucrats have relented, by relaxing the red tape which meant you couldn't fly the Devon flag without first getting planning permission.

Until now, regional flags - including the Devon flag - were barred from being flown without permission. Only national flags, the EU flag, the United Nations flag and the Commonwealth flag were allowed. Breaching the laws could, in theory, have led to prosecution.

But in March 2007, the Government eased the planning laws to allow the flying of regional flags as well. The Department for Communications and Local Government admitted the rules were 'out of date and overly bureaucratic' and issued new guidelines.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/arti ... ture.shtml

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ThePheasant;719512 wrote: Now I'm confused on what the laws are in both UK and USA. There seems to be contradiction everywhere - websites, news stories, own experiences etc. It would be interesting to find out the true laws for both countries.


How do you propose we do that? Go to the Parliament site and pull out the appropriate bit of debate which explains the current Statutory Instrument?

The US position is entirely dictated by a voluntary code as far as I can tell, but I've pointed to the text of it. As far as the law goes even the President can walk on the Stars and Stripes if he feels inclined - the webpage even had a photo of him doing just that. The UK position is enforced from the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) (England) Regulations 2007 and I brought in Baroness Royall of Blaisdon explaining their effect in easy small words. I'm not sure what else I can do to clarify matters.
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jimbo;719539 wrote: thanks my friend



after asking NASA Spock and Stephen Hawkins to decipher your reply i have been told that the meaning of your post is :thinking:





that you can fly the flag :wah:





assuming that they are correct :p


:wah: Could you PM that to me.
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spot;719537 wrote: How do you propose we do that? Go to the Parliament site and pull out the appropriate bit of debate which explains the current Statutory Instrument?

The US position is entirely dictated by a voluntary code as far as I can tell, but I've pointed to the text of it. As far as the law goes even the President can walk on the Stars and Stripes if he feels inclined - the webpage even had a photo of him doing just that. The UK position is enforced from the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) (England) Regulations 2007 and I brought in Baroness Royall of Blaisdon explaining their effect in easy small words. I'm not sure what else I can do to clarify matters.


Okay thats all I could see too. Maybe I should not just listen to my neighbours on certain points then :)
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ThePheasant;719548 wrote: Okay thats all I could see too. Maybe I should not just listen to my neighbours on certain points then :)


Run the buggers up your flagpole, that'll teach them.
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spot;719549 wrote: Run the buggers up your flagpole, that'll teach them.


I'm told, rather too late to do much about it, that this is an indelicate suggestion to make in the presence of a lady. I immediately withdraw it and apologize.
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spot;719550 wrote: I'm told, rather too late to do much about it, that this is an indelicate suggestion to make in the presence of a lady. I immediately withdraw it and apologize.


:o:o

:wah::wah:
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When footi is on I always hang St George Flags out the front, thanks to our great team they don't stay there too long *grin*
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ThePheasant;719472 wrote: When I first arrived in the USA I was amazed at how many people fly the Stars and Stripes in their front yards. Not little flags, but great big flags with enormous flag poles. I guess it shows pride in your country - or is there another reason? Do other countries do that a lot too - I don't think its big in the UK (unless it was only where I lived in the UK).

Also, I have been told if I wanted to fly the George Cross that I have to have it flying under the Stars and Stripes. I can't find any rules about this, but am assuming its 'etiquette' as you are in that country. Although, I see Mexican flags displayed on there own quite regularly.

Are there rules in other countries about flying a different countries flag?

I don't have any problem with this - although I would rather do it by choice, and because I might get my house egged :). Just wondering about other countries - what the rules are :-6


They're maybe pulling your leg. Traditionally if a ship or castle was captured the winners flag would be flown above the losers to show it had been captured. Since you've been captured by an american---:sneaky:

In the UK the Union flag has been hijacked a bit by the national front but also flag waving is seen as maybe just a wee bit jingoistic. There's a difference between being patriotic and my country right or wrong. Americans seem to take their flag a wee bit seriously.
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gmc;719569 wrote: They're maybe pulling your leg. Traditionally if a ship or castle was captured the winners flag would be flown above the losers to show it had been captured. Since you've been captured by an american---:sneaky:

In the UK the Union flag has been hijacked a bit by the national front but also flag waving is seen as maybe just a wee bit jingoistic. There's a difference between being patriotic and my country right or wrong. Americans seem to take their flag a wee bit seriously.


Maybe, but...... My friends in a town near us, where told to, and do, fly the Union Jack under the Stars and Stripes. And if you listen to the news report in my 2nd post you will see what happens if you don't. Also the news reporter stated that it is illegal.
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ThePheasant;719578 wrote: Maybe, but...... My friends in a town near us, where told to, and do, fly the Union Jack under the Stars and Stripes. And if you listen to the news report in my 2nd post you will see what happens if you don't. Also the news reporter stated that it is illegal.


You're not getting the full flavour of the experience. You need to dress the entire family in appropriate clothing and parade them up and down outside your garrison. Umm... sorry, "house".



... and, of course, omit flying the Stars and Stripes entirely.
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spot;719598 wrote: You're not getting the full flavour of the experience. You need to dress the entire family in appropriate clothing and parade them up and down outside your garrison. Umm... sorry, "house".




:wah: oooo I'm game, sounds like fun :wah:
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ThePheasant;719600 wrote: :wah: oooo I'm game, sounds like fun :wah:If I had a dollar for every time I've had that said to me half way through an evening...

Her Majesty's Minister of State for the Colonies authorizes me to appoint you to the field rank of General and instructs you to march on Boston by Friday.
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spot;719603 wrote: If I had a dollar for every time I've had that said to me half way through an evening...



Her Majesty's Minister of State for the Colonies authorizes me to appoint you to the field rank of General and instructs you to march on Boston by Friday.
And don't forget your powdered wig.



Do you think thats how blond jokes started?:wah:
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From my balcony I can see four flags of St George - and heaven help anyone who tried to take them down!
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YZGI;719604 wrote: And don't forget your powdered wig.



Do you think thats how blond jokes started?:wah:


Seriously thats not funny man!! :wah::wah:

I quite like his boots myself :-3
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You think that's bad?

In Angus, a local authority region currently controlled by Labour, the concil is trying to remove the Saltire from all council buildings.

Full story here:- http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/phpBB2 ... php?t=4082
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Hi Pheasy:-4

How are ya....great, I hope.

American people love to fly their flags. But, you can fly any flag you want. I put up my Irish flag all the time. Look on this site if you want to see a visual of flying the flags. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

I copied this part for you.

How to Display the Flag Show Section Hide Section

PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION

1. When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.





2. The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right , and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.





3. The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. By "half-staff" is meant lowering the flag to one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff. Crepe streamers may be affixed to spear heads or flagstaffs in a parade only by order of the President of the United States.





4. When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the right of the flag of the United States (the viewer's left). When the flag is half-masted, both flags are half-masted, with the US flag at the mid-point and the other flag below.





5. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.





6. When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff.





7. When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.





8. When the flag is displayed in a manner other than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out. When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window it should be displayed in the same way, that is with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. When festoons, rosettes or drapings are desired, bunting of blue, white and red should be used, but never the flag.





9. That the flag, when carried in a procession with another flag, or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.





10. The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.





11. When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace. The order of precedence for flags generally is National flags (US first, then others in alphabetical order in English), State (host state first, then others in the order of admission) and territories (Washington DC, Puerto Rico, etc.), Military (in order of establishment: Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard), then other.





12. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium on or off a podium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker (to the right of the audience). Please note that the old guidelines differed from this updated and simplified one.





13. When the flag is displayed on a car, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.





14. When hung in a window, place the blue union in the upper left, as viewed from the street.
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Thanks Kathy. :-4

That hopefully clears it up - there seems to be a lot of confusion where I live on the rules.

As for your question about how I'm doing, I'm still breathing :wah::wah: How are you, hope all is good with you :-4
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