Wow, any comments on this one, and bear in mind that this guy was born in Pakistan.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... w_06012008
Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today.
The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester and the Church's only Asian bishop, says that people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology.
The Right Reverend Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester
Bishop Nazir-Ali warns that attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character
Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, he compares the threat to the use of intimidation by the far-Right, and says that it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christianity to be the nation's public religion in a multifaith, multicultural society.
His comments come as a poll of the General Synod - the Church's parliament - shows that its senior leaders, including bishops, also believe that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration.
Bishop Nazir-Ali, who was born in Pakistan, gives warning that attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character by introducing the call to prayer and wider use of sharia law, a legal system based on the Koran.
In an attack on the Government's response to immigration and the influx of "people of other faiths to these shores", he blames its "novel philosophy of multiculturalism" for allowing society to become deeply divided, and accuses ministers of lacking a "moral and spiritual vision". cont...
U.K. Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims
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speaking from personal experience, on having been in an area of nonwhite muslims(dresssed in tradiational muslim dress), they may have looked at me a little since i was out of place, however i never felt threatened or otherwise unconfortable, any communication with them was polite.
U.K. Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims
Actually he's not a US bishop he's english. Were he American it's doubtful anyone in this country would have paid attention. We've also got people concerned about the growth of catholicism with all the eastern european immigrants filling the catholic churches. Although that is more one that exercises the presbytarian protestant churches. It's not simply christian against muslim if they didn't have muslims the christian sects all fight amongst themselves.
They can't close down or deny separate muslim schools as they would also have to shut down all the catholic and church of england schools as well. Personally i think they should as they encourage and preserve the kind if sectarianism we can well do without. The fact is we are a secular society-and have been since the churches lost the social sanction they used to make people go to church- and that is the way most people want it to be however much religious groups would lament it. We need to repeal the blasphemy act-it only applies to the church of england anyway- and preserve our traditional right to take the **** out of any religion or political group regardless of whether some find it offensive or not. Wonder if they would make something like all gas and gaiters or the reverend I.M Jolly nowadays?
It's a bit hard to take religion seriously when they have fits over whether women should be made priests, schisms when a gay priest gets ordained and squabble over which is the true church- a plague on all their houses we don't need their internecine quarrels. If they kept to themselves it wouldn't be so bad but no they feel they have right to lecture us all on how we should live while busy slagging off each other.
We've always been a mongrel nation and have had successive waves of immigration from time immemorial. British culture is so diverse and varied and has changed over the last thirty years not because of immigration but because of the destruction of the heavy industries and the likes of the mining communities, the creation of the new towns and clearing out of the old slums by successive governments, the introduction of TV's and saturday nights in etc etc. Immigration is but one factor among many that lead to societal change.
Maybe with the end of empire we should have kept all the fuzzy wuzzies out of the UK but it's too late to turn the clock back now. I get fed up with idiots bleating about the decline of british culture because the one thing that has made it so special had been the eclectic nature of it.
I can't for the life of me get worried about muslim extremists because when push comes to shove our thugs are a lot more violent than they can ever hope to be.
They can't close down or deny separate muslim schools as they would also have to shut down all the catholic and church of england schools as well. Personally i think they should as they encourage and preserve the kind if sectarianism we can well do without. The fact is we are a secular society-and have been since the churches lost the social sanction they used to make people go to church- and that is the way most people want it to be however much religious groups would lament it. We need to repeal the blasphemy act-it only applies to the church of england anyway- and preserve our traditional right to take the **** out of any religion or political group regardless of whether some find it offensive or not. Wonder if they would make something like all gas and gaiters or the reverend I.M Jolly nowadays?
It's a bit hard to take religion seriously when they have fits over whether women should be made priests, schisms when a gay priest gets ordained and squabble over which is the true church- a plague on all their houses we don't need their internecine quarrels. If they kept to themselves it wouldn't be so bad but no they feel they have right to lecture us all on how we should live while busy slagging off each other.
We've always been a mongrel nation and have had successive waves of immigration from time immemorial. British culture is so diverse and varied and has changed over the last thirty years not because of immigration but because of the destruction of the heavy industries and the likes of the mining communities, the creation of the new towns and clearing out of the old slums by successive governments, the introduction of TV's and saturday nights in etc etc. Immigration is but one factor among many that lead to societal change.
Maybe with the end of empire we should have kept all the fuzzy wuzzies out of the UK but it's too late to turn the clock back now. I get fed up with idiots bleating about the decline of british culture because the one thing that has made it so special had been the eclectic nature of it.
I can't for the life of me get worried about muslim extremists because when push comes to shove our thugs are a lot more violent than they can ever hope to be.
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U.K. Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims
gmc;754469 wrote: Actually he's not a US bishop he's english. Were he American it's doubtful anyone in this country would have paid attention. We've also got people concerned about the growth of catholicism with all the eastern european immigrants filling the catholic churches. Although that is more one that exercises the presbytarian protestant churches. It's not simply christian against muslim if they didn't have muslims the christian sects all fight amongst themselves.
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Apologies, the title should say U.K. Bishop - and note this Bishop was born in Pakistan and was a Muslim.
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Apologies, the title should say U.K. Bishop - and note this Bishop was born in Pakistan and was a Muslim.
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U.K. Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims
He's off his trolley but no, he was born Christian and he wasn't ever a Muslim. His dad was a Christian convert.
There's two models of multicultural society, the melting pot and the salad bowl. He's all for mixing in as opposed to complementing and retaining different flavours.
Where he's wrong as far as the sensationalist Sunday Telegraph article's concerned is the extent of cross-cultural violence in the UK. Yes there have been outbreaks - Burnley and Bradford, for example, triggered (in my opinion) by deliberate National Front confrontation and goading - but my goodness it's minimal. There's nowhere in central Bristol that I'd not happily walk at any hour day or night and I quite often do - the dangerous parts of town are the self-selecting all-white yob ghettoes round the outskirts like Withywood, Hartcliffe and Southmead. I want to be able to sample the multi-cultural flavours indefinitely, I'm not at all keen to see cultural melding.
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There's two models of multicultural society, the melting pot and the salad bowl. He's all for mixing in as opposed to complementing and retaining different flavours.
Where he's wrong as far as the sensationalist Sunday Telegraph article's concerned is the extent of cross-cultural violence in the UK. Yes there have been outbreaks - Burnley and Bradford, for example, triggered (in my opinion) by deliberate National Front confrontation and goading - but my goodness it's minimal. There's nowhere in central Bristol that I'd not happily walk at any hour day or night and I quite often do - the dangerous parts of town are the self-selecting all-white yob ghettoes round the outskirts like Withywood, Hartcliffe and Southmead. I want to be able to sample the multi-cultural flavours indefinitely, I'm not at all keen to see cultural melding.
I changed the thread title.
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U.K. Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims
I'd love to know which areas he's referring to!
I live in Leicester and London. Leicester is the first city in England to have a population containing more than 50% immigrants. There are areas of the city that are almost exclusively muslim and I have no problem whatsoever walking there.
In London I live in an area officially known as Banglatown as the population is basically Bangladeshi and Muslim. I have met nothing but friendliness and courtesy in the time I've been here.
If these two areas are open and free for a WASP to walk then I cannot imagine an area that would be described as a no-go area.
I live in Leicester and London. Leicester is the first city in England to have a population containing more than 50% immigrants. There are areas of the city that are almost exclusively muslim and I have no problem whatsoever walking there.
In London I live in an area officially known as Banglatown as the population is basically Bangladeshi and Muslim. I have met nothing but friendliness and courtesy in the time I've been here.
If these two areas are open and free for a WASP to walk then I cannot imagine an area that would be described as a no-go area.
U.K. Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims
Actually a catholic is more likely to get his head kicked in for being the a member of the wrong kind of Christian religion in a christian city like glasgow or edinburgh than he is in a muslim part of bradford or somewhere. They even have separate pubs. being non religious doesn't help as you get smacked for being a smart arse.
When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and asked if the god I did not believe in was the protestant God or the catholic one. - Quentin Crisp
When I was in london the white gangs would fight amongst themselves and also the black gangs and both would go in for paki bashing whose gangs gave as good as they got when they weren't fighting the indians. The british tend to be equal opportunity bigots. God help any fundamentalists that try to have no go areas in earnest in the UK. They only think they are aggressive but in europe they live amongst the most violent people on the planet. Being tolerant of others doesn't mean you put up with anything.
When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and asked if the god I did not believe in was the protestant God or the catholic one. - Quentin Crisp
When I was in london the white gangs would fight amongst themselves and also the black gangs and both would go in for paki bashing whose gangs gave as good as they got when they weren't fighting the indians. The british tend to be equal opportunity bigots. God help any fundamentalists that try to have no go areas in earnest in the UK. They only think they are aggressive but in europe they live amongst the most violent people on the planet. Being tolerant of others doesn't mean you put up with anything.