The former dissident auther Alexander Solzhenitsyn has emerged from three years in obsurity with a warning that Russia could face a Ukrainian-style revolution.
The 86-year old Nobel Laureate,who spent 10 years in the Soviet gulag, said in his first interview since 2002 that Russia was backsliding on democracy because it had never really been trying to be democratic.
He called Putin as idiot, who gave away Russia's God given resources to crooks that now have become billionaires on the behest of real Russians.
www.sunday-times.co.uk
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they're always bombed over in Russia anyway? how would an 86 year old leader know how to make a call like that? damn russian vodka. :wah:
I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. :yh_beatup
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capt_buzzard wrote: The former dissident auther Alexander Solzhenitsyn has emerged from three years in obsurity with a warning that Russia could face a Ukrainian-style revolution.
The 86-year old Nobel Laureate,who spent 10 years in the Soviet gulag, said in his first interview since 2002 that Russia was backsliding on democracy because it had never really been trying to be democratic.
He called Putin as idiot, who gave away Russia's God given resources to crooks that now have become billionaires on the behest of real Russians.
www.sunday-times.co.uk
As they say: "Watch what your elders say."
The 86-year old Nobel Laureate,who spent 10 years in the Soviet gulag, said in his first interview since 2002 that Russia was backsliding on democracy because it had never really been trying to be democratic.
He called Putin as idiot, who gave away Russia's God given resources to crooks that now have become billionaires on the behest of real Russians.
www.sunday-times.co.uk
As they say: "Watch what your elders say."
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Scrat, I don't know if your Russian, so forgive me I'm new in here, I haven't figured out who everyone is.
Even if Russians don't realize it, the facts still remains that it's democracy is not a healthy one. The rule of law is weak, there is no constitutional set of rules to protect it's citizens, there is no multi party systems where-in the people can come together to express, reconcile, and institutionalize there moral and political values.
If Russia goes through a revolution, I would not be surprised by it. It's people have gone through repressive communism, now they are being put through a democratic regime that seems to be for the people, but in truth is not a democracy at all. At best, Russias' democracy is a dysfunctional democracy. It may end up a liberal democracy one day, but the road to get there, is not one that it's people can clearly see an end result, let alone an end result they can see with-in the near-to-moderate future.
Democracy is suppose to be for the people and by the people. So far in Russia, it's been only for a handful of people, and only for those handful of people. It's courts mouth what ever the state dictates them to say. It's legislative branch is non-existence. Russia is a superstate run basically by Putin and his cronies. Local government is non-existence, regional governments is non-existence, the media is own by the state. At best, Russian democracy is not a democracy, but an autocracy since Putin can do what ever he sees fit. There is no organization in Rusian government to oppose him. The only thing Russia has going for it is the fact that Putin seems to be a Good autocrat.
If you ask me if Russia is riped for a revolution? I'll say it is.
Even if Russians don't realize it, the facts still remains that it's democracy is not a healthy one. The rule of law is weak, there is no constitutional set of rules to protect it's citizens, there is no multi party systems where-in the people can come together to express, reconcile, and institutionalize there moral and political values.
If Russia goes through a revolution, I would not be surprised by it. It's people have gone through repressive communism, now they are being put through a democratic regime that seems to be for the people, but in truth is not a democracy at all. At best, Russias' democracy is a dysfunctional democracy. It may end up a liberal democracy one day, but the road to get there, is not one that it's people can clearly see an end result, let alone an end result they can see with-in the near-to-moderate future.
Democracy is suppose to be for the people and by the people. So far in Russia, it's been only for a handful of people, and only for those handful of people. It's courts mouth what ever the state dictates them to say. It's legislative branch is non-existence. Russia is a superstate run basically by Putin and his cronies. Local government is non-existence, regional governments is non-existence, the media is own by the state. At best, Russian democracy is not a democracy, but an autocracy since Putin can do what ever he sees fit. There is no organization in Rusian government to oppose him. The only thing Russia has going for it is the fact that Putin seems to be a Good autocrat.
If you ask me if Russia is riped for a revolution? I'll say it is.
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Just a personal opinion, but I`ll go along with Scrat on this one, whilst listening to what you other guys say. I doubt if there is the level of organisation necessary to sustain an armed insurrection against a potentially ruthless government, that`s why - too many people have too much to lose to let a revolution succeed.
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Scrat wrote: Russians have more freedom than your average American by a long shot. In all fairness Americans may have more opportunity in ways but some things are a burden, such as costs. Russians pay .35 for a can of Pepsi for a reason. I have to pay a whole dollar for lunch because the overhead is so low.
i sure hope the above is meant as a joke, because the conclusions drawn are 100% canned absurdity.
thirty five cents for a can of pepsi is some sort of indicator of russian freedom? never mind how much that is relative to the economy of russia. prices tend to reflect the overall economic base. say, you in zambia, people live on less than a dollar US a day - that must mean everything is way cheap! maybe you should move there?
i sure hope the above is meant as a joke, because the conclusions drawn are 100% canned absurdity.
thirty five cents for a can of pepsi is some sort of indicator of russian freedom? never mind how much that is relative to the economy of russia. prices tend to reflect the overall economic base. say, you in zambia, people live on less than a dollar US a day - that must mean everything is way cheap! maybe you should move there?
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Scrat wrote: Is American democracy a healthy one? No average joe in America is ever going to be president. Money and corruption rule American politics. We both know that. I do not believe "democracy" has ever existed in America. Its meaning does not apply and it is just a word used for various different reasons. Manipulation ect.
but it's different than that in russia, eh? russian democracy *is* healthy? money and corruption do *not* rule russian politics?
Russia has a constitution that guarantees the rights of individuals.
remarkably enough, so do we. but i guess in russia the guarantees are....more real?
As for multiparty systems well America has 2 (supposedly) but the only real party is the $$$$. It runs everything. but not in russia, correct? money doesn't influence politics at all in russia?
How many Americans are barely making it? Living from paycheck to paycheck, scrabbling to make the mortguage payment?
but in russia, everybody is doing fine, correct? nobody lives paycheck to paycheck?
This is tiring, you throw the word "democracy" around like it is a real thing. Democracy is mob rule. Cavemen didn't have democracy, we do not have democracy. America is a republic and the western system is a lot like the old european Hapsburg empire.
democracy is indeed mob rule. america is indeed a republic, a federal republic. don't know about the hapsburgs. so, what is the political system of russia?
What Russia has now works, it seems they want a king, not a president. It suits them well.
so, russian politics work. american politics don't. how cool is that.
As for freedom I am throughly convinced Russians have much more than I do as an American. Period.
you keep saying this. but you give only the cost of pepsi as an example. i am singularly unimpressed by your metrics for freedom.
but it's different than that in russia, eh? russian democracy *is* healthy? money and corruption do *not* rule russian politics?
Russia has a constitution that guarantees the rights of individuals.
remarkably enough, so do we. but i guess in russia the guarantees are....more real?
As for multiparty systems well America has 2 (supposedly) but the only real party is the $$$$. It runs everything. but not in russia, correct? money doesn't influence politics at all in russia?
How many Americans are barely making it? Living from paycheck to paycheck, scrabbling to make the mortguage payment?
but in russia, everybody is doing fine, correct? nobody lives paycheck to paycheck?
This is tiring, you throw the word "democracy" around like it is a real thing. Democracy is mob rule. Cavemen didn't have democracy, we do not have democracy. America is a republic and the western system is a lot like the old european Hapsburg empire.
democracy is indeed mob rule. america is indeed a republic, a federal republic. don't know about the hapsburgs. so, what is the political system of russia?
What Russia has now works, it seems they want a king, not a president. It suits them well.
so, russian politics work. american politics don't. how cool is that.
As for freedom I am throughly convinced Russians have much more than I do as an American. Period.
you keep saying this. but you give only the cost of pepsi as an example. i am singularly unimpressed by your metrics for freedom.
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Scrat wrote;
Is American democracy a healthy one? No average joe in America is ever going to be president.
But the average joe American can have a say in who his president should be by choosing a political party, where as the average joe Russian don't even have a political party to vent his frustrations, it's Putin or it's Putin where the average joe Russian is concerned. Yes, American democracy is healthy.
Scrat wrote;
The Russians demonstrate all of the time. There was one in front the prison here the other day. Seems the warden wanted to off the cats that live there with the prisoners. The Russians version of PETA stepped in.
So Russians loves cats more than they love themselves, what about their rights to live under the sun?.......do they ever demonstrate about that?
Is American democracy a healthy one? No average joe in America is ever going to be president.
But the average joe American can have a say in who his president should be by choosing a political party, where as the average joe Russian don't even have a political party to vent his frustrations, it's Putin or it's Putin where the average joe Russian is concerned. Yes, American democracy is healthy.
Scrat wrote;
The Russians demonstrate all of the time. There was one in front the prison here the other day. Seems the warden wanted to off the cats that live there with the prisoners. The Russians version of PETA stepped in.
So Russians loves cats more than they love themselves, what about their rights to live under the sun?.......do they ever demonstrate about that?
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vilssss wrote: Scrat wrote;
But the average joe American can have a say in who his president should be by choosing a political party, where as the average joe Russian don't even have a political party to vent his frustrations, it's Putin or it's Putin where the average joe Russian is concerned. Yes, American democracy is healthy.
Scrat wrote;
So Russians loves cats more than they love themselves, what about their rights to live under the sun?.......do they ever demonstrate about that?Average Joe eh, where did you find G.W?
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But the average joe American can have a say in who his president should be by choosing a political party, where as the average joe Russian don't even have a political party to vent his frustrations, it's Putin or it's Putin where the average joe Russian is concerned. Yes, American democracy is healthy.
Scrat wrote;
So Russians loves cats more than they love themselves, what about their rights to live under the sun?.......do they ever demonstrate about that?Average Joe eh, where did you find G.W?
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Capt Buzzard.........I didn't ask Scrat what he meant by "average joe." But im willing to place bets that Scrat doesn't consider G.W. an average joe since his checking account balance has too many 0s attached to the end.
But, he rightly pointed out that money is the main factor in running for office nowadays. Long gone are the days when party leaders groomed the best possible candidates to run for office and usually the cream of the crop rised to the top. Now, only those with money can run for office. Campaigns is costing too much money for the average joes to run, and political donors just don't have that much faith in the institutions anymore. Elites have never had this much power in our democratic government before. Something will have to change to stem the tides.
But, he rightly pointed out that money is the main factor in running for office nowadays. Long gone are the days when party leaders groomed the best possible candidates to run for office and usually the cream of the crop rised to the top. Now, only those with money can run for office. Campaigns is costing too much money for the average joes to run, and political donors just don't have that much faith in the institutions anymore. Elites have never had this much power in our democratic government before. Something will have to change to stem the tides.
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vilssss wrote: Capt Buzzard.........I didn't ask Scrat what he meant by "average joe." But im willing to place bets that Scrat doesn't consider G.W. an average joe since his checking account balance has too many 0s attached to the end.
But, he rightly pointed out that money is the main factor in running for office nowadays. Long gone are the days when party leaders groomed the best possible candidates to run for office and usually the cream of the crop rised to the top. Now, only those with money can run for office. Campaigns is costing too much money for the average joes to run, and political donors just don't have that much faith in the institutions anymore. Elites have never had this much power in our democratic government before. Something will have to change to stem the tides.MONEY is the root of all EVIL. I agree with you Vilssss
But, he rightly pointed out that money is the main factor in running for office nowadays. Long gone are the days when party leaders groomed the best possible candidates to run for office and usually the cream of the crop rised to the top. Now, only those with money can run for office. Campaigns is costing too much money for the average joes to run, and political donors just don't have that much faith in the institutions anymore. Elites have never had this much power in our democratic government before. Something will have to change to stem the tides.MONEY is the root of all EVIL. I agree with you Vilssss
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Scrat wrote:
Outside the oil and gas junta that controls two and a half branches of our government (the half soon to be whole is the judiciary),
wow, that saved me a lot of potentially wasted time. nice to know up front that its one of the tinfoil hat brigade banging on the keyboard.
Outside the oil and gas junta that controls two and a half branches of our government (the half soon to be whole is the judiciary),
wow, that saved me a lot of potentially wasted time. nice to know up front that its one of the tinfoil hat brigade banging on the keyboard.
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Scrat wrote: I don't remember writing that. It's not my style either, if you can provide a link it would be nice.
no need. it's in your post - it was material you quoted - the first line of the article by gore vidal. did you not read it?
Is that the best you can do Catsasstrophe? I'm kicking ass all over the place here. I ask constuctive questions and get no answers and put up material to contradict certain points and guess what.
EVERYBODY REGRESSES TO KINDERGARDEN!!!
Go figure.
speaking of regression.
no need. it's in your post - it was material you quoted - the first line of the article by gore vidal. did you not read it?
Is that the best you can do Catsasstrophe? I'm kicking ass all over the place here. I ask constuctive questions and get no answers and put up material to contradict certain points and guess what.
EVERYBODY REGRESSES TO KINDERGARDEN!!!
Go figure.
speaking of regression.
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