Another Backed-Over Kid!!!

911 · Post by **911** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:53 pm

It was a very tragic incident - one of those horrible accidents.

That's got to be one of the stupidest statements ever made.

Too many people doing their own thing to pay attention to a child in a parking lot! I feel sorry for the driver. That will haunt him/her for the rest of their life. The parents should have held his hand or something to be sure he didn't run off.

I cannot count the times I have nearly hit a school child crossing the street in the middle during heavy traffic instead of crossing at the walk.

"Pedestrians have the right of way" is bunk if they choose to cross against the light or through the middle of traffic.

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:53 pm

What I find hard to understand is the level of aggression such a tragedy seems to invoke. Some little child lost her future. One broken family made a mistake, for whatever reason, and will spend the rest of their lives paying for it. People make all kinds of mistakes. We're human. It's easy to say we'd have somehow done differently. Been better, more vigilant. We might have. And we might just as easily have fallen down somewhere else. This is not about who likes kids or who has kids, or whether it's better to have kids or not, or whether people without kids can understand the pressures of people who do have them. It's about somehow passing judgement on one tragic incident which cost one family so very dearly. I hope none of us are ever in the position where, through some traceable fault of our own, we have to live with such dire consequences of our fallibility. I have no further comment.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:56 pm

YZGI;759924 wrote: Good for you Red. I haven't run over any of my kids either. Sometimes Red it is hard to understand situations that you have no experience in. Thats not a cut on you for not being a parent. I have no idea what combat in a war is like so I feel I cannot give advice to a soldier in combat.

YZ, thank you for your classy reply. I do appreciate that.

I'm not trying to give advice. From my angle all I keep hearing is "It's not my fault, kids will do that." I don't know if I'm not getting the right angle or if everyone just thinks I'm out for a fight this morning.

I KNOW kids do this stuff because I used to be one.

What I'm trying to say is you (meaning parents, not you personally) know it too so be smarter than your kid.

It's not advice. So many people here think I hate kids. I am tired of hearing about them getting run over. That's all.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:57 pm

AussiePam;759930 wrote: What I find hard to understand is the level of aggression such a tragedy seems to invoke. Some little child lost her future. One broken family made a mistake, for whatever reason, and will spend the rest of their lives paying for it. People make all kinds of mistakes. We're human. It's easy to say we'd have somehow done differently. Been better, more vigilant. We might have. And we might just as easily have fallen down somewhere else. This is not about who likes kids or who has kids, or whether it's better to have kids or not, or whether people without kids can understand the pressures of people who do have them. It's about somehow passing judgement on one tragic incident which cost one family so very dearly. I hope none of us are ever in the position where, through some traceable fault of our own, we have to live with such dire consequences of our fallibility. I have no further comment.
Very good post AP

911 · Post by **911** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:57 pm

AussiePam;759930 wrote: What I find hard to understand is the level of aggression such a tragedy seems to invoke. Some little child lost her future. One broken family made a mistake, for whatever reason, and will spend the rest of their lives paying for it. People make all kinds of mistakes. We're human. It's easy to say we'd have somehow done differently. Been better, more vigilant. We might have. And we might just as easily have fallen down somewhere else. This is not about who likes kids or who has kids, or whether it's better to have kids or not, or whether people without kids can understand the pressures of people who do have them. It's about somehow passing judgement on one tragic incident which cost one family so very dearly. I hope none of us are ever in the position where, through some traceable fault of our own, we have to live with such dire consequences of our fallibility. I have no further comment.

Well done, Pam:-4

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:58 pm

AngelEyes82;759920 wrote: A child isn't an IT it's a human..

no my unborn child may be male or female, i have no way or knowing, for the moment, its an it.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:00 pm

RedGlitter;759932 wrote: YZ, thank you for your classy reply. I do appreciate that.

I'm not trying to give advice. From my angle all I keep hearing is "It's not my fault, kids will do that." I don't know if I'm not getting the right angle or if everyone just thinks I'm out for a fight this morning.

I KNOW kids do this stuff because I used to be one.

What I'm trying to say is you (meaning parents, not you personally) know it too so be smarter than your kid.

It's not advice. So many people here think I hate kids. I am tired of hearing about them getting run over. That's all.

We all are Red. We as parents also realize that we all have made mistakes along the way while rearing our children. We also know some of those mistakes could have turned out like theses families mistakes have turned out. It scares the hell out of us, and we all feel empathy for the families and realize that it could have been us in these situations because of the unpredictability of kids.

grh · Post by **grh** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:02 pm

RedGlitter;759912 wrote: I'm getting a bit tired of the holier than thou "YOU don't have kids so YOU don't know" comments. I don't know if it's being said out of defensiveness or ignorance but it seems to ME that if *I* don't have kids and I still see the necessity to make sure my kid is not behind the damned car, that any PARENT should be able to handle as little.

Honest to god red the only thing i see coming out of ignorance and offensiveness are coming out of you here. You're a frickin trip when you get on one of these 'you know better then folks who live it everyday' rants of yours. It just cracks me up!:rolleyes: Not one parent would presume to tell another parent that something 'could never happen to me'..... EVERY ONE of us KNOWS damned well, it could be us tomorrow.

We simply thank god that it WASN'T us today and manage to feel some empathy for the parent fate did pick!

Oh, and btw... if it comes out that that driver was talking on a cell-phone or drunk, I lose all sympathy for her. THAT is negligence, Red!

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:05 pm

grh;759939 wrote: Honest to god red the only thing i see coming out of ignorance and offensiveness are coming out of you here. You're a frickin trip when you get on one of these 'you know better then folks who live it everyday' rants of yours. It just cracks me up!:rolleyes: Not one parent would presume to tell another parent that something 'could never happen to me'..... EVERY ONE of us KNOWS damned well, it could be us tomorrow.

We simply thank god that it WASN'T us today and manage to feel some empathy for the parent fate did pick!

Oh, and btw... if it comes out that that driver was talking on a cell-phone or drunk, I lose all sympathy for her. THAT is negligence, Red!

Yes there is that side - if thats the case then thats different!

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:08 pm

R.I.P. and my thoughts go out to the family.

Im too annoyed to say anything more here, and im not going there, but Jeeez, oh to be perfect!:mad:

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:12 pm

grh;759939 wrote: Honest to god red the only thing i see coming out of ignorance and offensiveness are coming out of you here. You're a frickin trip when you get on one of these 'you know better then folks who live it everyday' rants of yours. It just cracks me up!:rolleyes: Not one parent would presume to tell another parent that something 'could never happen to me'..... EVERY ONE of us KNOWS damned well, it could be us tomorrow.

We simply thank god that it WASN'T us today and manage to feel some empathy for the parent fate did pick!

Oh, and btw... if it comes out that that driver was talking on a cell-phone or drunk, I lose all sympathy for her. THAT is negligence, Red!

Watch yourself grh. You need to settle the heck down. Your naivete cracks ME up. You're supposed to be an adult, a parent, and yet you let these suckers off the hook just because you know YOU could screw up one day too? That's stupid. Damned stupid. That says a lot.

Oh and fate didn't "pick" any parent that day. That unnecessary event took place because the parent failed. First it's car makers with you and now it's fate. Everyone/thing else except what it really is.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:14 pm

Time for me to back out of this thread I think !!

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:15 pm

ThePheasant;759945 wrote: Time for me to back out of this thread I think !!
Why? We are all just trying to get our points across aren't we?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:24 pm

ThePheasant;759945 wrote: Time for me to back out of this thread I think !!

YZGI;759947 wrote: Why? We are all just trying to get our points across aren't we?

Don't worry about it. We're all just hot right now. We'll chill and things will blow over like they always do.

lemon_and_mint · Post by **lemon_and_mint** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:25 pm

its good we are all so angry about it.It would be awful if a child got run over and we all said, well, never mind, just a child.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:37 pm

AE, we're supposed to be chilling here now. You're starting in again is not of help.

I'm going to state one last time how I feel and it stands as I feel it. You all can have any opinion you want as will I.

It is the woman's fault for running over her kid.

I certainly HOPE she feels terrible for what she did.

I don't CARE how she would feel knowing I "judged" her and neither should you, since we will never meet this woman.

Do not put it in my face again about not having kids. I cannot stress this enough to you.

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:46 pm

This is getting out of hand. No one is knocking anyone for not having children. I think Wisey said it pretty well.

YZGI;759924 wrote: Good for you Red. I haven't run over any of my kids either. Sometimes Red it is hard to understand situations that you have no experience in. Thats not a cut on you for not being a parent. I have no idea what combat in a war is like so I feel I cannot give advice to a soldier in combat.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:50 pm

RedGlitter;759966 wrote: AE, we're supposed to be chilling here now. You're starting in again is not of help.

I'm going to state one last time how I feel and it stands as I feel it. You all can have any opinion you want as will I.

It is the woman's fault for running over her kid.

I certainly HOPE she feels terrible for what she did.

I don't CARE how she would feel knowing I "judged" her and neither should you, since we will never meet this woman.

Do not put it in my face again about not having kids. I cannot stress this enough to you.
How can someone judge another when they have no knowledge or experience in the circumstances?

No one is putting it in your face Red. We are however pointing out that we ahve experience and that you do not. Its not a putdown it is a fact.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:07 pm

Any chance you guys can just agree to disagree and not let this escalate?

Pheasy · Post by **Pheasy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:26 pm

abbey;759972 wrote: Any chance you guys can just agree to disagree and not let this escalate?

Good shout Abbey - said like a true Brit :-4 (right back at ya :-4)

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:32 pm

RedGlitter;759780 wrote:

We talked about this before.

Here's another one!

Mother Backing Out of Driveway Runs Over, Kills Daughter 2

.

Red:

Another one,

WHAT!!!!!!!!!

Mother grieves her mistake?

Or Mother is is an irresponsible, unworthy human?

What is your point here?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:34 pm

RedGlitter;759916 wrote: There's a difference between knowing to watch your kid and doing it.

I've never run over my own dog.
but then you love animals MUCH more than humans......HUH?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:49 pm

RedGlitter;759868 wrote: I was referring to Sheryl's comment about "have a couple kids and get back to me."

It always amazes me how parents seem to think they have a monopoly on kids, yet they don't always accept responsibility for when they screw up.

and this poor mother won't be paying until her grave??????????????

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:55 pm

lemon_and_mint;759880 wrote: why is it difficult to just explain to the child, run behind the car, you get hurt?

end of problem.

at 2?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:57 pm

YZGI;759890 wrote: Now if someone would just tell us when they would do stupid things. Give me ESP super human strength, x-ray vision etc etc and maybe mistakes and accidents won't happen. Until then, I'm sorry MISTAKES AND ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN!!!!

Is it OK to say.............

Amen brother

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:00 pm

RedGlitter;759912 wrote: I'm getting a bit tired of the holier than thou "YOU don't have kids so YOU don't know" comments. I don't know if it's being said out of defensiveness or ignorance but it seems to ME that if *I* don't have kids and I still see the necessity to make sure my kid is not behind the damned car, that any PARENT should be able to handle as little.

It amazes me that you are still supporting your asinine post(s)

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:11 pm

Chezzie;759941 wrote: R.I.P. and my thoughts go out to the family.

Im too annoyed to say anything more here, and im not going there, but Jeeez, oh to be perfect!:mad:

Can I get an "Amen" up in here"?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:12 pm

RedGlitter;759943 wrote: Watch yourself grh. You need to settle the heck down. Your naivete cracks ME up. You're supposed to be an adult, a parent, and yet you let these suckers off the hook just because you know YOU could screw up one day too? That's stupid. Damned stupid. That says a lot.

Oh and fate didn't "pick" any parent that day. That unnecessary event took place because the parent failed. First it's car makers with you and now it's fate. Everyone/thing else except what it really is.

BUMP

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:14 pm

RedGlitter;759943 wrote: Watch yourself grh. You need to settle the heck down. Your naivete cracks ME up. You're supposed to be an adult, a parent, and yet you let these suckers off the hook just because you know YOU could screw up one day too? That's stupid. Damned stupid. That says a lot.

Oh and fate didn't "pick" any parent that day. That unnecessary event took place because the parent failed. First it's car makers with you and now it's fate. Everyone/thing else except what it really is.

BUMP 2

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:15 pm

RedGlitter;759966 wrote: AE, we're supposed to be chilling here now. You're starting in again is not of help.

I'm going to state one last time how I feel and it stands as I feel it. You all can have any opinion you want as will I.

It is the woman's fault for running over her kid.

I certainly HOPE she feels terrible for what she did.

I don't CARE how she would feel knowing I "judged" her and neither should you, since we will never meet this woman.

Do not put it in my face again about not having kids. I cannot stress this enough to you.

Can I say...........................

KARMA??????????????

grh · Post by **grh** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:27 pm

time to turn off the lights and close the door on this one, mods...:wah:

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:29 pm

BTS, you might want to learn how to use the multiquote option.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:38 pm

rjwould;760055 wrote: She has the right to love whomever/whatever she chooses, and to what degree she pleases too without being ridiculed by self righteous people..

so that's it?

aren't you going to defend her view that this was a terrible person that did not watch her child therefore she is terrible?

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:19 pm

this is exactly why i dont post here anymore..and i dont mod here anymore..:mad:and i am sure most will know why..all except one...

grh · Post by **grh** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:26 pm

guppy;760082 wrote: this is exactly why i dont post here anymore..and i dont mod here anymore..:mad:and i am sure most will know why..all except one...

Oh, you can't let that stop you, girl! I find I can usually manage to **** off all sides of an issue if given enough time..:p Equally, from time to time, I have found myself agreeing with someone that I disagree with most of the time.

I did back off because Ms Abbey seemed to be requesting it. I would certainly have respected such an apparent request from you too! Doesn't mean I have any doubts about what I posted, just that I can back away...