Our laws are being changed so that sexual intercourse where there is no explicit agreement is rape. In other words if you have sex with someone too drunk to resist properly it is rape. Implied consent should be no defence.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/Vi ... id=2831878
Campaigners are also demanding a new definition of consent, to close a loophole allowing some accused rapists to escape conviction on the grounds a woman had not explicitly objected to sex. They want a system under whic
h a rape would be committed if there was no "tangible act of agreement" from a sexual partner.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1887975.stm
The emphasis on lack of consent being the essence of the crime is consistent with the approach taken in many Commonwealth countries and in England
Colin Boyd
Lord Advocate
this kis very concerning
this kis very concerning
gmc;760995 wrote: Our laws are being changed so that sexual intercourse where there is no explicit agreement is rape. In other words if you have sex with someone too drunk to resist properly it is rape. Implied consent should be no defence.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/Vi ... id=2831878
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1887975.stm
Could we may be heading towards a written and signed pre-copulation agreement, in an attempt to ensure that both parties are safeguarded?
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/Vi ... id=2831878
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1887975.stm
Could we may be heading towards a written and signed pre-copulation agreement, in an attempt to ensure that both parties are safeguarded?
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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An aquaintance of mine had a son who went to a party. At this party a couple of girls stripped down and got into the hot tub. Of course then a few of the boys stripped down and entered the hot tub. After a few minutes one of the girls went under water and began to blow the boys. The next day all three of the boys were arrested and held for $50,000 bail and charged with sexual misconduct. They were told that because the girl was drunk that she didn't have the ability to choose to "please" the boys. If convicted these 3 boys could do 5-15 yrs in prison and be labeled sexual predators for life. This happened last summer, the girl has still not actually made formal charges and has up to 2 years to decide.
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Overzealous prosecutors can be a dangerous thing as witnessed with the lacrosse players last year.
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YZGI;761130 wrote: An aquaintance of mine had a son who went to a party. At this party a couple of girls stripped down and got into the hot tub. Of course then a few of the boys stripped down and entered the hot tub. After a few minutes one of the girls went under water and began to blow the boys. The next day all three of the boys were arrested and held for $50,000 bail and charged with sexual misconduct. They were told that because the girl was drunk that she didn't have the ability to choose to "please" the boys. If convicted these 3 boys could do 5-15 yrs in prison and be labeled sexual predators for life. This happened last summer, the girl has still not actually made formal charges and has up to 2 years to decide.
well thats cos the laws an ass.....Considerin she was soooo drunk, she did a mighty fine job of holding her breath under water to blow 3 guys off:wah:
Seriously thats just a crock of **** and just cos theirs a law doesnt mean individual cases cant be looked at. Plainly obvious that girl was feeling randy and jake and mike lol
well thats cos the laws an ass.....Considerin she was soooo drunk, she did a mighty fine job of holding her breath under water to blow 3 guys off:wah:
Seriously thats just a crock of **** and just cos theirs a law doesnt mean individual cases cant be looked at. Plainly obvious that girl was feeling randy and jake and mike lol
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theia;761001 wrote: Could we may be heading towards a written and signed pre-copulation agreement, in an attempt to ensure that both parties are safeguarded?
No it's just basic common sense. If a girl is drunk and you take advantage I would put it to you that you are at fault. If you deliberately get someone drunk to take advantage of them then you are at fault. Any decent bloke wouldn't do it.
I'm not female but I have been at parties where someone spiked the drinks, one where some other substance was put in the punch. Speaking personally I think the one doing the spiking is criminal, it's just not funny but done with intent to cause harm. You learn to be careful but if you think you are with people you can trust sometimes you can be let down.
Let me use this analogy, Let's say you are walking along with your wallet sticking out of your back pocket and somebody nicks it. Your stupidity may have contributed but would you expect the thief to get away with it by implying you consented to the theft? Or you leave a bag on the passenger seat when you park your car and somebody breaks the window and nicks it. Who's to blame? You for being such a tempting target or the one who steals?
No it's just basic common sense. If a girl is drunk and you take advantage I would put it to you that you are at fault. If you deliberately get someone drunk to take advantage of them then you are at fault. Any decent bloke wouldn't do it.
I'm not female but I have been at parties where someone spiked the drinks, one where some other substance was put in the punch. Speaking personally I think the one doing the spiking is criminal, it's just not funny but done with intent to cause harm. You learn to be careful but if you think you are with people you can trust sometimes you can be let down.
Let me use this analogy, Let's say you are walking along with your wallet sticking out of your back pocket and somebody nicks it. Your stupidity may have contributed but would you expect the thief to get away with it by implying you consented to the theft? Or you leave a bag on the passenger seat when you park your car and somebody breaks the window and nicks it. Who's to blame? You for being such a tempting target or the one who steals?
this kis very concerning
YZGI;761130 wrote: An aquaintance of mine had a son who went to a party. At this party a couple of girls stripped down and got into the hot tub. Of course then a few of the boys stripped down and entered the hot tub. After a few minutes one of the girls went under water and began to blow the boys. The next day all three of the boys were arrested and held for $50,000 bail and charged with sexual misconduct. They were told that because the girl was drunk that she didn't have the ability to choose to "please" the boys. If convicted these 3 boys could do 5-15 yrs in prison and be labeled sexual predators for life. This happened last summer, the girl has still not actually made formal charges and has up to 2 years to decide.
never get a conviction... well unless she's white and the guys are black..
never get a conviction... well unless she's white and the guys are black..
Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
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gmc;761240 wrote: No it's just basic common sense. If a girl is drunk and you take advantage I would put it to you that you are at fault. If you deliberately get someone drunk to take advantage of them then you are at fault. Any decent bloke wouldn't do it.
I'm not female but I have been at parties where someone spiked the drinks, one where some other substance was put in the punch. Speaking personally I think the one doing the spiking is criminal, it's just not funny but done with intent to cause harm. You learn to be careful but if you think you are with people you can trust sometimes you can be let down.
Let me use this analogy, Let's say you are walking along with your wallet sticking out of your back pocket and somebody nicks it. Your stupidity may have contributed but would you expect the thief to get away with it by implying you consented to the theft? Or you leave a bag on the passenger seat when you park your car and somebody breaks the window and nicks it. Who's to blame? You for being such a tempting target or the one who steals?
So, if drinks are spiked and alcohol consumed, is it only the females drinking? I think that if everyone were drinking, they are all pretty much not functioning and reasoning at optimum levels, NOT just the ladies.
And if the ladies are so out of it that they don't remember giving consent, how is it that they would remember the next day? Couldn't a guy be just as easily taken advantage of in a drinking situation?
I'm not female but I have been at parties where someone spiked the drinks, one where some other substance was put in the punch. Speaking personally I think the one doing the spiking is criminal, it's just not funny but done with intent to cause harm. You learn to be careful but if you think you are with people you can trust sometimes you can be let down.
Let me use this analogy, Let's say you are walking along with your wallet sticking out of your back pocket and somebody nicks it. Your stupidity may have contributed but would you expect the thief to get away with it by implying you consented to the theft? Or you leave a bag on the passenger seat when you park your car and somebody breaks the window and nicks it. Who's to blame? You for being such a tempting target or the one who steals?
So, if drinks are spiked and alcohol consumed, is it only the females drinking? I think that if everyone were drinking, they are all pretty much not functioning and reasoning at optimum levels, NOT just the ladies.
And if the ladies are so out of it that they don't remember giving consent, how is it that they would remember the next day? Couldn't a guy be just as easily taken advantage of in a drinking situation?
Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
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rambo
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rambo
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grh;761245 wrote: never get a conviction... well unless she's white and the guys are black..
I agree, but think od the cost of getting bailed out $5,000, then getting a defense lawyer.
I agree, but think od the cost of getting bailed out $5,000, then getting a defense lawyer.
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grh;761248 wrote: So, if drinks are spiked and alcohol consumed, is it only the females drinking? I think that if everyone were drinking, they are all pretty much not functioning and reasoning at optimum levels, NOT just the ladies.
And if the ladies are so out of it that they don't remember giving consent, how is it that they would remember the next day? Couldn't a guy be just as easily taken advantage of in a drinking situation?
Depends on the circumstances doesn't it. anyone of either sex spiking someone's drink should be a social pariah IMO even of some idiots think it adds to the fun.
On the other hand if someone spikes a drink to get a girl drunk enough so they can't say no and then take advantage then it is rape. I don't see how you can pretend otherwise. If they can't remember giving consent and they know they have had sex them somebody raped them. It's not just alcohol being added to soft drinks it's date rape drugs being added. If the drug used is alcohol rather than a date rape drug (can't remember any of the names) the intent is the same so the crime is the same.
As to a guy being taken advantage off then in the case of the UK the law extends to sodomy without consent. I can't see too many women wanting to take advantage of a drunk male but I obviously can't claim to know if that is the case. On the other hand if the bloke says no then it's no as well. Yes you might get drunk and end up waking up next to someone and both don't remember what happened but most males that drunk can't actually function. I dare say if you'd been sodomised you would notice.
I have been with drunk women that would be willing because they were drunk but If you're sober and they're too drunk to be behaving normally only a real **** would take advantage. Taking advantage/ rape what's the difference?
And if the ladies are so out of it that they don't remember giving consent, how is it that they would remember the next day?
If they were sober enough to give consent they would remember the next day. If they don't remember then explicit consent was not given.
And if the ladies are so out of it that they don't remember giving consent, how is it that they would remember the next day? Couldn't a guy be just as easily taken advantage of in a drinking situation?
Depends on the circumstances doesn't it. anyone of either sex spiking someone's drink should be a social pariah IMO even of some idiots think it adds to the fun.
On the other hand if someone spikes a drink to get a girl drunk enough so they can't say no and then take advantage then it is rape. I don't see how you can pretend otherwise. If they can't remember giving consent and they know they have had sex them somebody raped them. It's not just alcohol being added to soft drinks it's date rape drugs being added. If the drug used is alcohol rather than a date rape drug (can't remember any of the names) the intent is the same so the crime is the same.
As to a guy being taken advantage off then in the case of the UK the law extends to sodomy without consent. I can't see too many women wanting to take advantage of a drunk male but I obviously can't claim to know if that is the case. On the other hand if the bloke says no then it's no as well. Yes you might get drunk and end up waking up next to someone and both don't remember what happened but most males that drunk can't actually function. I dare say if you'd been sodomised you would notice.
I have been with drunk women that would be willing because they were drunk but If you're sober and they're too drunk to be behaving normally only a real **** would take advantage. Taking advantage/ rape what's the difference?
And if the ladies are so out of it that they don't remember giving consent, how is it that they would remember the next day?
If they were sober enough to give consent they would remember the next day. If they don't remember then explicit consent was not given.