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rjwould;745254 wrote: Well, it is my view that the author of "revelations" was a person who lived and breathed his religion. When that happens, whether it be with religion or any subject we begin to filter and associate nearly everything in life through that lens to the point of dreaming and hysteria. Example; When I was younger, i played chess nearly everyday for a while. I found myself constantly thinking about "chess". I would even dream about playing chess. This is what I believe happened to the author of revelations. That's what I mean by "trippin".




To me at least this seems like the sufficient amount of words. Just right Id say.
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Nomad;745285 wrote: To me at least this seems like the sufficient amount of words. Just right Id say.


Do you know english?
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Those who accepted Christ believe themselves and convince others in their own nullity and helplessness.

Well, a man is that how he thinks about himself.

If he had not hoped for itself if he is weak and the poor in spirit then he goes to Jesus. He needs someone who would be able to solve all problems instead of him.

He accustomed that nothing depends from him.

He accustomed that impossible to do anyhing without Lord's permitions, that God monitors every his breath, every act, every thought, and that's impossible to make a step foot without fear of God's offending.

What God gives him as exchange?

They say that the assistance they say that support they said that life after death.

Only where such assistance, this support, this life after death? Who saw it?

Outlive great anguish and deprivation, dedicated to the Lord saying: It is God tries me, it's He tries my faith and watches: wheather I worthy of His and His Kingdom.

So dies whole and in the mud and wounds, unable to grumble at the Lord.

So dies and, holding a unfounded hopes for Paradise.

So dies and, failing to grasp all the impotence of Christ.

Because there are no heroes of the Christ in His glory, but - martyrs.

Not wisers speak from His name but squalids.

Because, as told His devotees: Az unworthy ...

Your Jesus is God of unworthy.

Do you know Christ? Did He admid you to his innermost?

Or are you still under control of his servants - pastors?

So, I will say to you that the pastor who believes in Christ is like blindman - guider of blindmen. Because he does not know where is target, and his flock of one another leads.

Unbelieving pastor same is worse of scoundrell.

Has flock to false goals, knowing full falsity of it. Maintains all, but did not approaching it any closer.

He said Nazaryanin: Love your neighbour. And he said: love your enemies.

And I say to you: 'Love yourself first, because without love to yourself it's impossible to imagine any no other love.

And respect the enemy, as a worthy enemy better than unworthy friend.

Go to Him, if you believe to anybody in the word.

Go to Him, if you think that not your parents conceived you, shading with it their love and their desire, but He breathed life into you.

Go to Him, if you believe that out of the mud, He created his image and likeness, and named he - Adam.

Go to Him, if you are frightened Knowledge.

Go to Him, if sex is sin for you, and the only way of coupling for continuing of family.

Go to him, if you not believe into yourself. Go to Him, if you are weak and the poor in spirit.

His loyal dogs once going to you, who eat the bread of LORD. And they will avert you from me.

They say: lost, come to the Lord, because He is good. But that, whom you took in your heart - evil. And all His deeds - evil.

But look around you, human. Where do you see evil?

This world doesn't contain good or evil. What do you CALL with these words?

Look, if who does that what has name - evil, why did he do this? Loneliness pushes him to do so, despair, poverty and disease. Or bad education is cause of that. Or crazy. Or he does not know that works. Or should he strongest of the reasons - necessary.

And where do you see in the Nature the evil? You simply do not accept its laws. Because they are not for a man.

Evil comes to the world only when there are eye which sighted evil, where evil does not in fact. When exists a heart, which feels evil where it does not exist.

The evil born in this heart. And no more of it anywhere. And it comes into this world, when someone tries to do good.

It's impossible to make a good, without causing evil for someone. It's impossible to make evil, whithout causing good for someone.

And neither evil nor good not rule in this world, because they do not exist. They serve only as a manifestation of the two greatest forces, which have names: Needness and Purposefulness.

Which are scales on which balances this world. And fool is the one who does not accept Necessity. And twice stupid one who does not follow to Purposefulness. And three times stupid one who measures all with concepts of good and evil, light and darkness, black and white.

There are many colors in the world, and many hues.

And when you understand this, and merge own desire with concept of Needness and Purposefulness and when you deny notions of good and evil, the you will learn about what is a Freedom.

How devotees serve Him? How they make their rituals?

In churches, they pray prayers. Bow their knees and pray.

Those who call He with Allah name sacrifices victims to He. And Jews bring victims to He like dead animals.

Followers of Crucified bear bloodless sacrifice.

And I say to you: do not shed a blood unnecessarily. Are you hungry to kill this animal? Is this person did bad to you, that you killed him? Have you forgotten that they are like you?

Let followers of Crucified eat the body of his Lord and drink His blood. That's their abomination.

But it's few simply to say: I have disowned him. We should have overcome the hypocrisy of followers of Crucified, those who accepted His faith and His path.

Whom they worship? They worship to the dead body on the cross!

Take away Christ from yourself, my brother.

You are not a Him slave, and respect yourself. And you will become similar to Him, and you will become above Him and you will become out of Him.

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My hour has come, and I appeal to you.

From tops of mountains and from valleys I appeal to those who are looking for the Truth.

Those who accepted Satan believed themselves and try to reassure others in his power and the superiority over the Creator.

Well, the weak person chooses to himself such patron whom considers worthy himself.

He accustomed that it is necessary to suffer still and in the future all will be good.

Satan teaches for credulous:

"Look at himself, human. Than you are worse than the Lord? Than your desires below will of Lord? Than your force is weaker Lord? Or are you afraid of Him?

Be not afraid, because I with you. I shall learn you everything. Go with Me, and henceforth there will be no prohibitions for you.

Go with Me, and now will not reproaches for you, because everything will be measured by your desire.

Archangel Michael has told, wishing to flatter the Lord: Who as God? Nobody as the God."

Later Satan teaches, saying: "You are like God. And there is no other God, except you. Also there is nobody to worship for you.

And there is only you, your aspirations and desires. And who will convince you in opposite?"

In the same time, Satan in the whole imitating God-Father! Of course, under certain circumstances,

it is possible to imitate the one whom you hate during year or two and three, but to imitate whole life it is

possible only for the one whom you adore whom you esteem the instructor and the teacher to whom it is

betraid by all heart and all soul. Satan requires the Creator, His wisdom, His knowledge because

without them - he does not possess that force and knowledge which preaches about himself.

The satanist believes that sooner or later, Satan will overthrow the Creator from His throne and will sit instead of He, having established the new world order.

He believes that Satan monitors every breath, every act, every thought of the people and it is impossible also for a step foot which Satan would not know.

What does Satan give him as exchange?

They say that the assistance say that the support and knowledge, say that the hope for a new world.

Only where this assistance where this knowledge and support, where this new world and new world order? Who saw it?

Going on impudent acts of opposition to the Creator, devoted to the Satan speaks:

"Satan will protect me, he did not betray me, he will make my life happy."

And so he flies into Hell, and then into the lake of fire, unable to renounce Satanism.

And so he flies into Hell, and then into the lake of fire, holding an unrealizable hope for the kingdom of Satan.

And so he flies into Hell, and then into the lake of fire, failing to grasp the powerlessness of Satan against the Creator.

For there are at Satan not free in his glory, but loyal and devoted servants.

And not wisers speak from name of Satan, but satanists.

For, as speak his servants about himself: warrior of Lucifer!

Your Satan - the patron of war and slavery, instead of happiness and freedom.

Many who remain to serve Satan, having lost their will, feel himself happy, and follow obsequiously

for their ruler and pastor - Satan. They have so assimilated to he that later were unable to find

in their own nature, almost anything that would allow them to solve their further

destiny independently. And they have joined to he in the fall, continuing to serve he faithfully.

Hearing let will hear!

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A good deal of the Bible is metaphorical. There are a few kernels of history spread throughout.

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Ted;765783 wrote: A good deal of the Bible is metaphorical. There are a few kernels of history spread throughout.

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That was not from Bible, surely!
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What was the basic point of that statement?

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Ted;768152 wrote: nickols k:-6

What was the basic point of that statement?

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Means wrongly translated book may not contain good deals!

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Since we do not have the original documents of the Bible we only have copies. Not only that they are hand copies of copies of copies of copies etc. We have the problem that among the multitude of documents used to write just the NT alone there were some 400 000 variants. Wrongly translated??? We can only hope that we have come close to what the writers intended.

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Ted;769000 wrote: nickols k

Since we do not have the original documents of the Bible we only have copies. Not only that they are hand copies of copies of copies of copies etc. We have the problem that among the multitude of documents used to write just the NT alone there were some 400 000 variants. Wrongly translated??? We can only hope that we have come close to what the writers intended.

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Why do you guess that bible is right way? Every christian strongly belive that he is in right way. But every moslem believe that christianity is wrong way. The same it would be possible to say about buddistes and other religions!

Nobody proves his beliefs. I'm prophet and I have information from first hands! Why do you guess that biblical texts have highest priority against of my article?
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JAB;769189 wrote: Uhm, care to explain this one please? :-2


In first, please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet

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JAB;769797 wrote: I'm well aware of the definition of the word 'prophet'. Perhaps my questions should have been clearer.

You consider yourself to be a prophet with first hand knowledge? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion.


Any prophet speaks information from first hand! The process of borning of prophecy consist from prophet and spirit who gives information for prophet. Then prophet simply speaks this information. Sometime prophet has name - medium

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I do not put the Bible first. I put my relationship with God first.

The Bible is a very human book written by humans. Nevertheless, God does speak to us through the very human words of the Bible.

As to whether or not you are a prophet remains to be seen. I can also claim to be a prophet.

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The truth about the beast 666 is that it was a reference by John of Patmos, whomever he was, to the emperor of the Roman Empire, Nero.

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Ted;769880 wrote: nickols k:-6

I do not put the Bible first. I put my relationship with God first.

The Bible is a very human book written by humans. Nevertheless, God does speak to us through the very human words of the Bible.

As to whether or not you are a prophet remains to be seen. I can also claim to be a prophet.

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The book which was wrongly translated cam't be a voice of God! Bible is most unclear book which I even saw. Althrough, Quran competes with bible.

There is problem - prophecy almost never contradicts to vision of prophet. There are rare cases when prophet speaks perfectly new prophecy for himself.

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I find it rather interesting that you consider the Bible wrongly translated when thousands of scholarly people completely disagree. I don'T think so.

Prophets were speaking of their own time and not some time in the distant future. B. W. Anderson.

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Ted;770432 wrote: nickols k:-6

I find it rather interesting that you consider the Bible wrongly translated when thousands of scholarly people completely disagree. I don'T think so.

Prophets were speaking of their own time and not some time in the distant future. B. W. Anderson.

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Why do you guess that bible can't contain lie?
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The first question I would have to ask is what do you mean by a lie? How would that apply to the Bible? Give me an example.

Ancient midrash was the style of writing used in the sacred scriptures. It is a way of defining something new in terms of a past event. It makes extensive use of metaphor.

Since the Bible is a record of man's experiences of what they thought was the divine it is kind of hard to say this or that is a lie. For example the creation stories are myth but do teach truth even though they are not factual history. By the very nature of myth the creation stories are not a lie.

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Ted;771780 wrote: nickols k:-6

The first question I would have to ask is what do you mean by a lie? How would that apply to the Bible? Give me an example.
Many people accept all information of Bible as dogma without evidences of its rightenousness. They thing that declaration within of bible about its correctness is far enough to believe in this book. Nobody tries to look at bible criticaly.



Ancient midrash was the style of writing used in the sacred scriptures. It is a way of defining something new in terms of a past event. It makes extensive use of metaphor.

Since the Bible is a record of man's experiences of what they thought was the divine it is kind of hard to say this or that is a lie. For example the creation stories are myth but do teach truth even though they are not factual history. By the very nature of myth the creation stories are not a lie.

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Bible as book doesn't contain any energy within itself. Any book which is inspirited or God-breathed must contain energy for curing the readers and blessing them. Bible is empty book from point of energy. Therefore, there are no spirits who support this book. Even I have possibility to magnetize any text which I type. The same I could say about Lucifer. But bible is just a paper without energy.
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I can agree that many do not read the Bible critically. However, that does not destroy the validity of the message.

I cannot agree with your comment that the Bible has no "energy" whatever that means. If it has had no "energy" than why has it been around for 2000+years and how is it that many people have been inspired by the Bible?

You mention Lucifer. That is a concept created by man to explain evil in the world. It is the anthropomorphization of what no one understands.

It is very difficult to make any valuable comment on the Bible unless one understands what it is and how it came about.

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Ted;772328 wrote: nichols k

I can agree that many do not read the Bible critically. However, that does not destroy the validity of the message.

I cannot agree with your comment that the Bible has no "energy" whatever that means. If it has had no "energy" than why has it been around for 2000+years and how is it that many people have been inspired by the Bible?


Modern bible was formed and anew translated in 16 century! Before there were other scripturtes in so-called Bible. Any old text exists all time. Quran exists 1500 years and God doesn't forbit its existance althrough it perfectly contradics to bible. Buddhism exist 2500 years and God doesn't forbit its existance althrough it perfectly contradics to bible. Do you need any other arguments?



You mention Lucifer. That is a concept created by man to explain evil in the world. It is the anthropomorphization of what no one understands.

It is very difficult to make any valuable comment on the Bible unless one understands what it is and how it came about.

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Lucifer is seraphim but not anthropomorphization of some spatial ideas. The fact that Bible doesn't provide clear teaching says that Bible preaches false-religion!
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The original canon as it exists today was established in about 375 at one of the counsels. Since that time there have been many translations into many languages. There were some disputes about the "Apocrypha" so some Bibles include it and some do not. The translations have changed as time goes on and we come to understand more and more about the original language. In effect there has been no new Bible created since 375 with the exception of the one followed by the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Where does the Qur'an contradict the Bible? Since I have a copy I will be able to look it up.

The same for the Buddhist scriptures.

Each of the world's major religions were founded on two basic tenets; justice and compassion. There is no contradiction between any of the major faiths on this particular point. Since religion is in part cultural you will of course find differences that pertain to the various cultures. This does not invalidate any one of them.

Lucifer is a human creation.

It is difficult to understand the Bible until one understands how it came about and in what style it is written and one understands the cultures in which it was written. Without these one does not get a clear picture. It soon becomes clear with a little eduction.

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Ted;773033 wrote: nickols k:-6

The original canon as it exists today was established in about 375 at one of the counsels. Since that time there have been many translations into many languages. There were some disputes about the "Apocrypha" so some Bibles include it and some do not. The translations have changed as time goes on and we come to understand more and more about the original language. In effect there has been no new Bible created since 375 with the exception of the one followed by the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Where does the Qur'an contradict the Bible? Since I have a copy I will be able to look it up.


Please read Sura 24 (аn-Nооr) ayat 23. It preaches curses for sins which bible calls not for death. IMHO nobody may be saved through Quran. This sura which was called Light of God preaches about fornication. IMHO quran spends too many attention for fornication and avoids heathen sins and satanism at all.



The same for the Buddhist scriptures.

Each of the world's major religions were founded on two basic tenets; justice and compassion. There is no contradiction between any of the major faiths on this particular point. Since religion is in part cultural you will of course find differences that pertain to the various cultures. This does not invalidate any one of them.

Lucifer is a human creation.

It is difficult to understand the Bible until one understands how it came about and in what style it is written and one understands the cultures in which it was written. Without these one does not get a clear picture. It soon becomes clear with a little eduction.

Shalom

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Do you want to communicate with Lucifer personally? Else you'll be not able to break your illusion about him.
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What do you mean by "saved"?

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I have no illusions about Lucifer. I trust in God.

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Saved from lake of fire for eternal life!

Lucifer is not illusion but he is creature but not fruit of mental mind! It seems that you mix he with egregor!

Blessed be!
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The lake of fire is a metaphor. It does not and will not exist in reality. It is pure myth.

No, I am not mixing Lucifer up with anything. He is an invention of the mind of man and not an entity in reality.

I simply don't believe in this approach. I trust in the God we see manifest in one Jesus of Nazareth. Consider well the word "manifest".

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I can most certainly agree with the need for religious tolerance. This is where extremism simply causes no end of problems.

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The lake of fire is a metaphor. It does not and will not exist in reality. It is pure myth.


Lake of fire is reality and more than drmatic for some people! I saw lake of fire personally. Do you believe me?



No, I am not mixing Lucifer up with anything. He is an invention of the mind of man and not an entity in reality.


Lucifer is seraphim. He exists same as you and I.



I simply don't believe in this approach. I trust in the God we see manifest in one Jesus of Nazareth. Consider well the word "manifest".

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Why do you guess that Jesus is not an invention of the mind of man?



Are you a fellow pagan Mr N?

Blessed be is usually used just by the likes of me. If so, Merry meet.

As such, can I put it to you that as someone who wishes for religious tolerance - sorry, expects it from others, that you show the same respect that you would wish for yourself? I don't think it's too much to ask.
If you think that english is my native language then I flattered!

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A great majority of scholars around the world accept the historicity of one Jesus of Nazareth. There is no doubt in their minds.

For me, I have had the experiential reality of the risen Lord.

If you wish to believe that the lake of fire is a reality then go for it.

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Ted;774774 wrote: nichols k:-6

A great majority of scholars around the world accept the historicity of one Jesus of Nazareth. There is no doubt in their minds.

For me, I have had the experiential reality of the risen Lord.

If you wish to believe that the lake of fire is a reality then go for it.

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No every will inherit the lake of fire but this doesn't mean that lake of fire doesn't exist. It exists and it is reality! Many will watch this lake but not every will be thrown into it.

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If that is what you wish to believe then go for it.

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Ted;780522 wrote: nickols k:-6

If that is what you wish to believe then go for it.

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It seems that you are mistaking the faith with the knowledge! I don't belive in exiastance of lake of fire but I know that lake of fire exists because I saw it through my eyes.
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I have no problem with that. If that is what you believe that is fine with me.

I think that you are mistaking the word faith as a body of belief. The ancient words translated into faith mean "Trust".

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Ted;785118 wrote: nicholas k

I have no problem with that. If that is what you believe that is fine with me.

I think that you are mistaking the word faith as a body of belief. The ancient words translated into faith mean "Trust".

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Russian differs words FAITH and TRUST!

TRUST is the open, positive mutual relations between the subjects, containing confidence of decency and goodwill of the subject with which the trusting subject is in those or other attitudes.

FAITH (BELIEF) is firm conviction in the validity of any information without preliminary practical or actual check of its authenticity, often, caused by only easy logic check of its reliability. The belief without preliminary logic check of reliability of the information, refers to blind.
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When we go to both the OT and the NT the words translated as faith meant trust in the original. They were not talking about a belief in a set of doctrine or dogma.

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huh i thought the numbers 666 were like a miscalculation or something... am i wrong?
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Omni:-6

LOL

Actually the number 666 in Revelation refers to the emperor Nero. He was the beast as can be seen in his behaviour and treatment of people.

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The same.

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Ted;785996 wrote: Omni:-6

LOL

Actually the number 666 in Revelation refers to the emperor Nero. He was the beast as can be seen in his behaviour and treatment of people.

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well, i feel dumb! haha
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Omni:-6

One should never feel dumb. Learning is a life long project and should carry on to the moment of one's death. BTW don't ask me to fix a car. I don't go there.

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Ted;786058 wrote: Omni:-6

One should never feel dumb. Learning is a life long project and should carry on to the moment of one's death. BTW don't ask me to fix a car. I don't go there.

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Ted:-6learning haha i still have a lot of that to do. I don't understand the whole thing with 666. I know a lot of people think that literally chips will be inserted into our palms or something... this is always been a vague subject. haha
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Omni:-6

We all have an enormous amount to learn. Not one of us can rest on our laurels.

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Ted;785972 wrote: nickolas k:-6

When we go to both the OT and the NT the words translated as faith meant trust in the original. They were not talking about a belief in a set of doctrine or dogma.

Shalom

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I'm not preacher of TRUST or FAITH but just informed you that TRUST is NOT ancient analog of FAITH!

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This was the most entertaining thread I have read today. What does that say for me? no, I doon't want toooo know.:(
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