Well I'm living in Damascus at the moment, and on Tuesday there was a carbomb that killed a 'top Hizbollah leader' - Imad Mughniyeh. Now, no one welcomes a bomb in the city they live in (much less when it's none too far from where they study), but what really got me annoyed was this comment:
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A spokesman for the US state department, Sean McCormack, described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost".
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
(quoted from BBC article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 242383.stm )
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Did anyone else get really rather peeved by that?
So, the US has declared a 'War on Terror', and is against terrorism in any shape or form... except for... when it's perpetrated against people they don't like?!
That comment is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time! How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??
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wardah;777237 wrote: Well I'm living in Damascus at the moment, and on Tuesday there was a carbomb that killed a 'top Hizbollah leader' - Imad Mughniyeh. Now, no one welcomes a bomb in the city they live in (much less when it's none too far from where they study), but what really got me annoyed was this comment:
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A spokesman for the US state department, Sean McCormack, described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost".
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
(quoted from BBC article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 242383.stm )
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Did anyone else get really rather peeved by that?
So, the US has declared a 'War on Terror', and is against terrorism in any shape or form... except for... when it's perpetrated against people they don't like?!
That comment is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time! How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??
Unlike RJ, I don't think one administration's hypocricy is any more desirable than another, so I won't offer an empty pointless apology.
Yes, that guy's a putz & should be fired. What the heck was he thinking, saying such an irresponsible thing as that??
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A spokesman for the US state department, Sean McCormack, described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost".
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
(quoted from BBC article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 242383.stm )
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Did anyone else get really rather peeved by that?
So, the US has declared a 'War on Terror', and is against terrorism in any shape or form... except for... when it's perpetrated against people they don't like?!
That comment is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time! How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??
Unlike RJ, I don't think one administration's hypocricy is any more desirable than another, so I won't offer an empty pointless apology.
Yes, that guy's a putz & should be fired. What the heck was he thinking, saying such an irresponsible thing as that??
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Jester;777850 wrote: Sorry, I'm an old military man, that man killed my fellow soldiers, I'm glad he's dead.
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described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost".
The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
Other then the fact that the guy was honest in his observations, what is it we don't like here?:-2
The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
Other then the fact that the guy was honest in his observations, what is it we don't like here?:-2
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Jester;777873 wrote: Some need to bleed sooner.
Who gets to make that call ?
Let me guess..the one with God on his side ?
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flopstock;777878 wrote: Other then the fact that the guy was honest in his observations, what is it we don't like here?:-2
When the guy gave his personal honest opinion, he was speaking on behalf of the United States. It implies that we're okay with terrorist tactics when it suits our purposes. It's a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world.
When the guy gave his personal honest opinion, he was speaking on behalf of the United States. It implies that we're okay with terrorist tactics when it suits our purposes. It's a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world.
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Jester;777907 wrote: It dosnt take much more than common sense to know a guy like that desverves death. The bomb was too quick for justice in my opinion.
And if the assassination weapon - the car bomb - had been blown up in a residential suburb in Miami? Or Seattle? Or Kansas City? You'd be quite content then too? Floppy, you can have a try at that one as well, your view will interest me. A few streets from where your relatives shop, that'll do as a location to hold in your mind when you answer.
And if the assassination weapon - the car bomb - had been blown up in a residential suburb in Miami? Or Seattle? Or Kansas City? You'd be quite content then too? Floppy, you can have a try at that one as well, your view will interest me. A few streets from where your relatives shop, that'll do as a location to hold in your mind when you answer.
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Accountable;777978 wrote: When the guy gave his personal honest opinion, he was speaking on behalf of the United States. It implies that we're okay with terrorist tactics when it suits our purposes. It's a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world.
But if it was honest, I would much rather have had him say what he did say -then to lie about it. It may be a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world, but if it is the truth as seen by our government, I would much rather they are out in the open with it.
But if it was honest, I would much rather have had him say what he did say -then to lie about it. It may be a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world, but if it is the truth as seen by our government, I would much rather they are out in the open with it.
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Jester;777850 wrote: Sorry, I'm an old military man, that man killed my fellow soldiers, I'm glad he's dead.
You didn't actually answer the question though, did you. "How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??"
You didn't actually answer the question though, did you. "How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??"
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flopstock;778034 wrote: But if it was honest, I would much rather have had him say what he did say -then to lie about it. It may be a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world, but if it is the truth as seen by our government, I would much rather they are out in the open with it.
It was his personal opinion, not necessarily that of the government. I don't think there is one truth as seen by our government. As spokesman for the State Department, the closest to a personal opinion he should be giving is that of Secretary Rice, and I can't see her phrasing it quite that way.
It was his personal opinion, not necessarily that of the government. I don't think there is one truth as seen by our government. As spokesman for the State Department, the closest to a personal opinion he should be giving is that of Secretary Rice, and I can't see her phrasing it quite that way.
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Why do you think it's personal opinion? It looks entirely like government policy to me. Terrorism's fine so long as it furthers US interests. When's that not been the official line of the State Department?
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flopstock;778034 wrote: But if it was honest, I would much rather have had him say what he did say -then to lie about it. It may be a bad and wrong message to send to the rest of the world, but if it is the truth as seen by our government, I would much rather they are out in the open with it.
I would far rather that the US government did not use or condone terrorist tactics in operations against foreign nationals.
How can they possibly "wage war against terror" if they do?
I would far rather that the US government did not use or condone terrorist tactics in operations against foreign nationals.
How can they possibly "wage war against terror" if they do?
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Bryn Mawr;778060 wrote: I would far rather that the US government did not use or condone terrorist tactics in operations against foreign nationals.
How can they possibly "wage war against terror" if they do?
I agree with what you are saying here. At the same time I have no problem with his view of the situation:
described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost".
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
justice n. The quality of being just; fairness. The principle of moral rightness; equity. www.answers.com
if what i am reading about this fella on-line is fractionally correct, i have no problem with Sean McCormack expressing himself as he did.
How can they possibly "wage war against terror" if they do?
I agree with what you are saying here. At the same time I have no problem with his view of the situation:
described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost".
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
justice n. The quality of being just; fairness. The principle of moral rightness; equity. www.answers.com
if what i am reading about this fella on-line is fractionally correct, i have no problem with Sean McCormack expressing himself as he did.
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flopstock;778130 wrote: if what i am reading about this fella on-line is fractionally correct, i have no problem with Sean McCormack expressing himself as he did.
Good call flopster. That's the War on Terror dead and buried then, I never did like it.
Good call flopster. That's the War on Terror dead and buried then, I never did like it.
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spot;778136 wrote: Good call flopster. That's the War on Terror dead and buried then, I never did like it.
Well, I'm sorry spot. I just don't see us ever getting anywhere unless folks start being honest about things instead of couching bad thoughts in palatable P.C. ready-for-prime-time news phrases.
The US had a bounty on this guys head for Christ sake! To pretend we didn't want him dead as a government is hypocritical, IMO.
Maybe if all these folks were as honest as this guy appears to have been, some honest dialog could start somewhere.
Well, I'm sorry spot. I just don't see us ever getting anywhere unless folks start being honest about things instead of couching bad thoughts in palatable P.C. ready-for-prime-time news phrases.
The US had a bounty on this guys head for Christ sake! To pretend we didn't want him dead as a government is hypocritical, IMO.
Maybe if all these folks were as honest as this guy appears to have been, some honest dialog could start somewhere.
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That's fine flopstock. It's a War on Anti-Western Values maybe, or a War on Islamic Supremacy, or - let's call a spade a spade - a War on People Who Stand Up Aggressively for Palestinian Rights, but whatever you call it it's officially now a War Employing Terrorism.
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spot;778157 wrote: That's fine flopstock. It's a War on Anti-Western Values maybe, or a War on Islamic Supremacy, or - let's call a spade a spade - a War on People Who Stand Up Aggressively for Palestinian Rights, but whatever you call it it's officially now a War Employing Terrorism.
Whatever you may want to call it spot, it is no different today then it was a week ago.
I don't think that this one state department employee should be any thing but admired for being willing to be honest about our stand on this guys death. IMO, it sure beats condemning it publicly while celebrating in the back rooms.
Whatever you may want to call it spot, it is no different today then it was a week ago.
I don't think that this one state department employee should be any thing but admired for being willing to be honest about our stand on this guys death. IMO, it sure beats condemning it publicly while celebrating in the back rooms.
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Wonderful, floppy. Perfect. And if the assassination weapon - the car bomb - had been blown up in a residential suburb in Miami? Or Seattle? Or Kansas City? You'd be quite content then too? A few streets from where your relatives shop?
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spot;778181 wrote: Wonderful, floppy. Perfect. And if the assassination weapon - the car bomb - had been blown up in a residential suburb in Miami? Or Seattle? Or Kansas City? You'd be quite content then too? A few streets from where your relatives shop?
You just are not getting this at all, are you spot?:wah:
I object whole heartedly to the car bomb. After reading up on this fella, a sniper shot would have been better, IMO -as that appears to be the way he began his career.
What I do not object to and in fact would encourage - is for folks in the government to finally start being honest with all of us on their intent and goals.
This guy did not say anything that 99% of the folks behind the scenes at the state department are thinking, IMO. He is simply the only one apparently, willing to say it out loud.
And just like marriage counseling, there is no possibility of moving forward, unless you are completely open and honest with each other. Him NOT saying what he did, would NOT have meant the sentiment wasn't there.
You just are not getting this at all, are you spot?:wah:
I object whole heartedly to the car bomb. After reading up on this fella, a sniper shot would have been better, IMO -as that appears to be the way he began his career.
What I do not object to and in fact would encourage - is for folks in the government to finally start being honest with all of us on their intent and goals.
This guy did not say anything that 99% of the folks behind the scenes at the state department are thinking, IMO. He is simply the only one apparently, willing to say it out loud.
And just like marriage counseling, there is no possibility of moving forward, unless you are completely open and honest with each other. Him NOT saying what he did, would NOT have meant the sentiment wasn't there.
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You're simply saying there's no good guys and bad guys, there's just factions. If the US sponsors or applauds assassination then that's terrorism and it's good, if the other faction sponsors or applauds assassination then that's terrorism and it's bad. We're no longer concerned with method, merely whose side it's used by. We no longer deplore terror, we don't engage in war on terror, terror is no longer the object of our criticism, terror's fine by us. Nothing wrong with terror, just be for us and you can live.
Where did morality disappear to in this discussion? What happened to legal process? Why are we no longer engaged with lawful means? What makes you think you're on the right side of the fence if it isn't a question any longer of how you behave?
Where did morality disappear to in this discussion? What happened to legal process? Why are we no longer engaged with lawful means? What makes you think you're on the right side of the fence if it isn't a question any longer of how you behave?
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rjwould;778230 wrote: I think the exchange between you an spot is an example as to why the face shown to the world be one of proper political awareness.
You as an American citizen and spot being from an other country is telling of the different perspectives from around the world...I think a proper American response, regardless of how full of sh!t it would be, could have been something like;
"While America abhors any kind of terrorist actions, even when it advances our goals, we are glad this particular person has met his demise."
:yh_clap Yup yup yup.
You as an American citizen and spot being from an other country is telling of the different perspectives from around the world...I think a proper American response, regardless of how full of sh!t it would be, could have been something like;
"While America abhors any kind of terrorist actions, even when it advances our goals, we are glad this particular person has met his demise."
:yh_clap Yup yup yup.
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Accountable;778239 wrote: :yh_clap Yup yup yup.
So is flopstock right when she suggests that "This guy did not say anything that 99% of the folks behind the scenes at the state department are thinking, IMO. He is simply the only one apparently, willing to say it out loud"?
So is flopstock right when she suggests that "This guy did not say anything that 99% of the folks behind the scenes at the state department are thinking, IMO. He is simply the only one apparently, willing to say it out loud"?
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spot;778244 wrote: So is flopstock right when she suggests that "This guy did not say anything that 99% of the folks behind the scenes at the state department are thinking, IMO. He is simply the only one apparently, willing to say it out loud"?
Hell, I hope not. I'm sure it would be easy to find plenty who agree, but imo they're psychologically too far removed to bring this thing to closure with anything short of genocide.
Hell, I hope not. I'm sure it would be easy to find plenty who agree, but imo they're psychologically too far removed to bring this thing to closure with anything short of genocide.
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rjwould;778249 wrote: America is still angry, Spot....Of course we favor any action that gives us revenge....However, that does not make us right, it makes us 'angry'...
The rest of the world's still angry, RJ. I for one regard your President as a cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost but I draw the line at seeking his assassination - I think he should face trial in America by Americans. Does that give me the moral advantage? As the OP says, "How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??".
The rest of the world's still angry, RJ. I for one regard your President as a cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost but I draw the line at seeking his assassination - I think he should face trial in America by Americans. Does that give me the moral advantage? As the OP says, "How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??".
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spot;778244 wrote: So is flopstock right when she suggests that "This guy did not say anything that 99% of the folks behind the scenes at the state department are thinking, IMO. He is simply the only one apparently, willing to say it out loud"?
Hah! There ya go! These two are basically condoning more of the same... say one thing while doing another.
My, way... everyone knows where everyone else stands and doesn't feel they are being bullshitted. Now, you can have open and honest dialog and be able to count on what the other says - even if you may not like it!
Hah! There ya go! These two are basically condoning more of the same... say one thing while doing another.
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Accountable;778254 wrote: Hell, I hope not. I'm sure it would be easy to find plenty who agree, but imo they're psychologically too far removed to bring this thing to closure with anything short of genocide.
Then you need to rein in this madness or you'll end up with exactly that.
Here, this is from the Jerusalem Post:former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ... absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings ... he advocated carpet bombing the general area from which the Kassams were launched, regardless of the price in Palestinian life.
"If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."They're your home team, Acc. If your State Department goes along with the philosophy of terror then it'll happen.
Then you need to rein in this madness or you'll end up with exactly that.
Here, this is from the Jerusalem Post:former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ... absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings ... he advocated carpet bombing the general area from which the Kassams were launched, regardless of the price in Palestinian life.
"If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."They're your home team, Acc. If your State Department goes along with the philosophy of terror then it'll happen.
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flopstock;778270 wrote: Hah! There ya go! These two are basically condoning more of the same... say one thing while doing another.
My, way... everyone knows where everyone else stands and doesn't feel they are being bullshitted. Now, you can have open and honest dialog and be able to count on what the other says - even if you may not like it!
I didn't and don't condone terrorism or car bombs. I acknowledge that the guy's death helps us. The guy's death would help us even if he were on a tour of the Capitol Building and the place collapsed, killing all of our legislators with him. .......... ......... well, you get my point.
My, way... everyone knows where everyone else stands and doesn't feel they are being bullshitted. Now, you can have open and honest dialog and be able to count on what the other says - even if you may not like it!
I didn't and don't condone terrorism or car bombs. I acknowledge that the guy's death helps us. The guy's death would help us even if he were on a tour of the Capitol Building and the place collapsed, killing all of our legislators with him. .......... ......... well, you get my point.
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spot;778275 wrote: They're your home team, Acc. If your State Department goes along with the philosophy of terror then it'll happen.
I'll call in my markers.
I'll call in my markers.
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Accountable;778278 wrote: I didn't and don't condone terrorism or car bombs. I acknowledge that the guy's death helps us. The guy's death would help us even if he were on a tour of the Capitol Building and the place collapsed, killing all of our legislators with him. .......... ......... well, you get my point.
I didn't read a quote by this guy saying anything to the effect that he was glad it was a car bomb or terrorist attack either.
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
This guy is just frickin glad the other guy is gone and says so. Has anyone asked him if he would prefer that it had happened another way? I kinda doubt it... not as cool a headline if the reporter had bothered with a followup question. Or perhaps they did and just did not feel it 'helped' the story along...
I didn't read a quote by this guy saying anything to the effect that he was glad it was a car bomb or terrorist attack either.
"The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice."
This guy is just frickin glad the other guy is gone and says so. Has anyone asked him if he would prefer that it had happened another way? I kinda doubt it... not as cool a headline if the reporter had bothered with a followup question. Or perhaps they did and just did not feel it 'helped' the story along...
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flopstock;778292 wrote: I didn't read a quote by this guy saying anything to the effect that he was glad it was a car bomb or terrorist attack either.
This guy is just frickin glad the other guy is gone and says so. Has anyone asked him if he would prefer that it had happened another way? I kinda doubt it... not as cool a headline if the reporter had bothered with a followup question. Or perhaps they did and just did not feel it 'helped' the story along...
good point.
This guy is just frickin glad the other guy is gone and says so. Has anyone asked him if he would prefer that it had happened another way? I kinda doubt it... not as cool a headline if the reporter had bothered with a followup question. Or perhaps they did and just did not feel it 'helped' the story along...
good point.
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Accountable;778298 wrote: good point.
Not in the slightest. He applauded a terrorist murder.
Not in the slightest. He applauded a terrorist murder.
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rjwould;778301 wrote: You're absolutely correct. I think the argument is what he didn't say..If it wasn't explicit enough an endorsement of terrorism, let me add another relevant gloat from Israeli Environment Minister Gideon Ezra, a former director of Israel's domestic security agency Shin Beth: "I am glad that this has happened to Mughniyeh. And I hope that whoever did this receives the congratulations he is due." - Agence France Presse, February 14, 2008..
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rjwould;778301 wrote: You're absolutely correct. I think the argument is what he didn't say..
then again, it may be in what they didn't print.
then again, it may be in what they didn't print.
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This brings to mind the question of the morality of political assassination. 1976 saw US President Ford prohibiting political assassination on moral grounds. Not that the US hasn't attempted or succeeded in carrying them out, they just haven't announced a reversal of policy.
Israel supported political assassination as a useful tool for awhile. I think they've now said that they shouldn't do it, though should and would are two different things.
What is the feeling on assassination now? Is it a useful tool or a terrorist tactic?
Israel supported political assassination as a useful tool for awhile. I think they've now said that they shouldn't do it, though should and would are two different things.
What is the feeling on assassination now? Is it a useful tool or a terrorist tactic?
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Bryn Mawr;778060 wrote: I would far rather that the US government did not use or condone terrorist tactics in operations against foreign nationals.
How can they possibly "wage war against terror" if they do?
Kind of puts a crimp in Jester's common sense ideology.
Or not.
How can they possibly "wage war against terror" if they do?
Kind of puts a crimp in Jester's common sense ideology.
Or not.
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Well I'm living in Damascus at the moment, and on Tuesday there was a carbomb that killed a 'top Hizbollah leader' - Imad Mughniyeh. Now, no one welcomes a bomb in the city they live in (much less when it's none too far from where they study), but what really got me annoyed was this comment:
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A spokesman for the US state department, Sean McCormack, described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost". "The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice." Did anyone else get really rather peeved by that?
So, the US has declared a 'War on Terror', and is against terrorism in any shape or form... except for... when it's perpetrated against people they don't like?! That comment is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time! How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??
I think (to get back to the original posters question. I think if I was living in Damascus then yes I would be annoyed that a U.S. spokesperson would sound somewhat triumphalist about an assasination that involved a car bomb in my city so I understand where the original thread is coming from.
As for the wider issue of whether anyone would feel any sympathy or moral outrage at this man's death, that's an arguable issue. I think one thing that people in the middle east should start realizing is that yes, its undoubted that the history of the past 60 years (and previous) in the region has led many many Arabs to be hostile and even hate the West and the U.S. in particular, I think what should also be mentioned is that this constant seeming wall of constant hate against the west is causing a lot of western people to start hating Arabs and Islam back in a way that was never the case before, and at this stage a lot of people's attitudes are hardening very rapidly to having any sympathy with any Arab cause whatsoever, or the murder of their plethora of more violent advocates. I am quite sure that the long term consequences of this spiral of mutual incomprehension and hatred bodes ill for everyone's future.
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A spokesman for the US state department, Sean McCormack, described Mughniyeh as a "cold-blooded killer, a mass murderer and a terrorist responsible for countless innocent lives lost". "The world is a better place without this man in it," he added. "One way or another he was brought to justice." Did anyone else get really rather peeved by that?
So, the US has declared a 'War on Terror', and is against terrorism in any shape or form... except for... when it's perpetrated against people they don't like?! That comment is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time! How can you possibly fight 'terrorism' if you then condone it so long as it kills 'the Bad Guys'??
I think (to get back to the original posters question. I think if I was living in Damascus then yes I would be annoyed that a U.S. spokesperson would sound somewhat triumphalist about an assasination that involved a car bomb in my city so I understand where the original thread is coming from.
As for the wider issue of whether anyone would feel any sympathy or moral outrage at this man's death, that's an arguable issue. I think one thing that people in the middle east should start realizing is that yes, its undoubted that the history of the past 60 years (and previous) in the region has led many many Arabs to be hostile and even hate the West and the U.S. in particular, I think what should also be mentioned is that this constant seeming wall of constant hate against the west is causing a lot of western people to start hating Arabs and Islam back in a way that was never the case before, and at this stage a lot of people's attitudes are hardening very rapidly to having any sympathy with any Arab cause whatsoever, or the murder of their plethora of more violent advocates. I am quite sure that the long term consequences of this spiral of mutual incomprehension and hatred bodes ill for everyone's future.
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I think what should also be mentioned is that this constant seeming wall of constant hate against the west is causing a lot of western people to start hating Arabs and Islam back in a way that was never the case before, and at this stage a lot of people's attitudes are hardening very rapidly to having any sympathy with any Arab cause whatsoever, or the murder of their plethora of more violent advocates. I am quite sure that the long term consequences of this spiral of mutual incomprehension and hatred bodes ill for everyone's future.
True enough although I believe most of us remain impartial to the point of stopping short of combining terrorists actions and what the general population
is all about.
Overall its caused some doubt as to what the mainstream people are really thinking though.
If there is a swing in Arab sentiment I think its partially because we've been forced to consider them because of the recent violence whereas before it was only news in the print or media, but more importantly I think many of us have to wonder where the reasonable athority stands and when a firm and potent government will exercise command over the minority operations causing destruction.
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Jester;778734 wrote: if we dont stop them they will keep coming at us. I can't believe anymore whats happening to this country, we are so short sided we cant even remember the myriad of terrorist acts against us. It's not going to stop, and its going to get worse until we finally stop pussyfooting around and get down to it and kill and destroy till they are so beaten back and down that they quit.That's mirror talk, Jester. Turn your words round and all you hear is the echo... "if we don't stop the Americans they will keep coming at us. I can't believe any more what's happening to this planet, we are so short sighted we cant even remember the myriad of terrorist acts the Americans have committed against us. It's not going to stop, its going to get worse until we finally stop pussyfooting around and get down to it and kill and destroy till they are so beaten back and down that they quit"... you're voicing both sides, the words are meaningless.
All you have to get out of your head is that you're godfearingly just and naturally right. America's Manifest Destiny is the problem, it's not the solution. America is not exceptional, it's just a nasty pushy bully-state. You want to pretend that your current intelligence services aren't complicit in acts of terrorism like this one? You have to be kidding me, even you couldn't believe that. Either accommodate the legitimate aspirations of other peoples - and that doesn't mean push Disney, Pepsi and capitalism at them until they knuckle under and work on your shop floor for you - or stand down and step aside. You have a lot to make good before you're welcome again anywhere outside of your own borders, you've done too much damage to too many people for entirely selfish reasons to simply have the slate wiped. Right now America's the town drunk stood outside the saloon firing both its guns at every shadow that moves.
All you have to get out of your head is that you're godfearingly just and naturally right. America's Manifest Destiny is the problem, it's not the solution. America is not exceptional, it's just a nasty pushy bully-state. You want to pretend that your current intelligence services aren't complicit in acts of terrorism like this one? You have to be kidding me, even you couldn't believe that. Either accommodate the legitimate aspirations of other peoples - and that doesn't mean push Disney, Pepsi and capitalism at them until they knuckle under and work on your shop floor for you - or stand down and step aside. You have a lot to make good before you're welcome again anywhere outside of your own borders, you've done too much damage to too many people for entirely selfish reasons to simply have the slate wiped. Right now America's the town drunk stood outside the saloon firing both its guns at every shadow that moves.
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Jester;778730 wrote: Moot point, if he were on US soil ther'd be no need for a car bomb or a single round assasination. We'd arrest him, sentence him and kill him. Either way Im fine with it.
But remember we (the US) did not do this -car bomb-.
It's not moot. Would you be just as happy if 30 or so American civilians got killed in a car bomb attack (or any other attack) if it killed one high-level radical Muslim?
But remember we (the US) did not do this -car bomb-.
It's not moot. Would you be just as happy if 30 or so American civilians got killed in a car bomb attack (or any other attack) if it killed one high-level radical Muslim?
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Jester;778995 wrote: Rubbish!
There is a right side and a wrong side and radical fanatical islam is the wrong side and I'll fight that till the cows come home.
In this fight the USA just happens to be on the right side.
How singularly unenlightened, prejudiced and partisan you are. There is such a thing as justice too, you know. Picking sides and throwing rocks isn't helpful.
There is a right side and a wrong side and radical fanatical islam is the wrong side and I'll fight that till the cows come home.
In this fight the USA just happens to be on the right side.
How singularly unenlightened, prejudiced and partisan you are. There is such a thing as justice too, you know. Picking sides and throwing rocks isn't helpful.
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