Would you break your moral code

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:14 pm

I was sitting here wondering about the pedophiles, psychopath and sociopaths we read about or see on the news and I was wondering if there was anything that would make you break your moral code of life.

I could see myself attacking a person who raped and killed my child and was aquitted by the court. I could see myself slandering a person in the newspaper - under advertisement - of course - I thought had wronged my family.

I could see myself apologizing to these people I had wrongly accused from any of the above because I didn't have all the facts.

These situations are ones I automatically assumed are guilty. I want them to be guilty. I want my life to go on with the thought that all presumed sex offenders are guilty - my sex offenfder was guilty - no matter their lie about the situation. So go ****ing figure MR. Jackson.

XeroGirl · Post by **XeroGirl** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:54 am

I consider myself to be a very moral person and Ive never broken a law in my life.

But if someone severely attacked or killed one of my children and I didnt consider the punishment the law gave them to be enough , then yes I would take the law into my own hands. And I wouldnt suffer guilt for it.

babygirl · Post by **babygirl** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:29 am

XeroGirl wrote: I consider myself to be a very moral person and Ive never broken a law in my life.

But if someone severely attacked or killed one of my children and I didnt consider the punishment the law gave them to be enough , then yes I would take the law into my own hands. And I wouldnt suffer guilt for it.

the same goes for me too

pink princess · Post by **pink princess** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:04 am

if anyone hurt any member of my family, young or old they would have to suffer the possible consequences of it....... sometimes i believe the law can do a better job of making them pay but others i believe we as individuals can make them suffer far more.....

however at the expense of being taken away from my familiy by being sent to jail surely in someways it would be like shooting yourself in the leg??

devious and cunning ways of revenge must be devised!

Jika · Post by **Jika** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:43 am

this thread makes me laugh @ myself for the fact that years ago @ uni, our tutors challenged us and suggested that "all folks were capable of heinous crimes/retribution/revenge, it would just take the right circumstance or provocation" to which most, if not all of us, baulked and indignantly replied..."outrageous, never!"

upon reflection.............hahaha.......

my nephew was born.

joy love joy / unquestionable devotion adoration

i am like a lioness in regards to his saftey and wellbeing. it is paramount to me. i realised how far my 'moral compass' had deviated one day when i took him to the shopping mall and he wanted to go to the toilet....the mens toilet, by himself, obviously...arrgh, horrror!!!

he was @ that age where he wanted independance and yet was so innocent and vunerable and i couldn't say no. i couldn't in all conscious, infect his healthy innocence with my older, life-jaded paranoia. so what did i do?.......i stood with my ear pressed to the door of the mens toilets like some lunatic/hooker-god only knows what people thought.....in the extreme fear /paranoia that if i heard him scream/squeak/cry/whisper whatever, i was gonna bust thru that door like "Zena Warrior Aunty" and rip the living gizzards out of any strange man within a foot of him... (my nephew)

this was real to me. these feelings were intense. i have absolutely no doubt that i was capable of extreme violence in that circumstance. eek!

so whilst the calm, unchallenged me would like to think i'm an angel....i know on some gutteral, animalistic level, my moral compass moves....i'm capable of ripping someone from limb to limb in the "right" circumstance. sorry if i sound like a freak but i'm just being as honest as i can possibly be.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:16 am

tough to determine what I would do considering I once uttered to my husband if you ever cheated on me that would be one reason I could commit a crime and go to jail for it, as I would shoot you. Well he cheated, I never shot a gun, and I am not in jail. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I don't really know. I suppose if it came to catching someone harming my children I may react differently. I pray I never have to find out.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:22 am

some here mention the protection of loved ones as breaking their moral code against violence.........that wouldn't break my moral code, because my moral code decrees and demands the protection of innocents, with deadly force if necessary. to me, breaking my moral code would be to betray a loved one.

cars · Post by **cars** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:07 pm

Jika wrote: this thread makes me laugh @ myself for the fact that years ago @ uni, our tutors challenged us and suggested that "all folks were capable of heinous crimes/retribution/revenge, it would just take the right circumstance or provocation" to which most, if not all of us, baulked and indignantly replied..."outrageous, never!"

upon reflection.............hahaha.......

my nephew was born.

joy love joy / unquestionable devotion adoration

i am like a lioness in regards to his saftey and wellbeing. it is paramount to me. i realised how far my 'moral compass' had deviated one day when i took him to the shopping mall and he wanted to go to the toilet....the mens toilet, by himself, obviously...arrgh, horrror!!!

he was @ that age where he wanted independance and yet was so innocent and vunerable and i couldn't say no. i couldn't in all conscious, infect his healthy innocence with my older, life-jaded paranoia. so what did i do?.......i stood with my ear pressed to the door of the mens toilets like some lunatic/hooker-god only knows what people thought.....in the extreme fear /paranoia that if i heard him scream/squeak/cry/whisper whatever, i was gonna bust thru that door like "Zena Warrior Aunty" and rip the living gizzards out of any strange man within a foot of him... (my nephew)

this was real to me. these feelings were intense. i have absolutely no doubt that i was capable of extreme violence in that circumstance. eek!

so whilst the calm, unchallenged me would like to think i'm an angel....i know on some gutteral, animalistic level, my moral compass moves....i'm capable of ripping someone from limb to limb in the "right" circumstance. sorry if i sound like a freak but i'm just being as honest as i can possibly be.

You took the words right out of my mouth. After my Granddaughter was born, I know how you felt. At age 2-1/2 She was vunerable and dependent on her loved ones to protectect her from evil & harm. And when she was in my care, as I loved to take her to amusement parks & merry go rounds, I would have terminated anyone who would have harmed her, and then I would have terminated them again just for good measure!!! (I would have been the "warrior Grandad")

(Don't mess with my loved ones!!!!)

pina · Post by **pina** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:09 pm

It is Maternal or Paternal instinct to protect family especially the young and innocent it is surprising how much strength you get with your anger and frustration to take revenge, and to what lengths you would go to protect.

That woman in Rome had no right to touch you nephew wether he was noisy or not. The noisiest people in the world are the Spanish then the Italians.

If it had been the other way round and you had slapped her nephews hand she probably would have been outraged and taken a denuncia out on you.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:00 pm

LC,

DITTO.. I agree with you 100%

some here mention the protection of loved ones as breaking their moral code against violence.........that wouldn't break my moral code, because my moral code decrees and demands the protection of innocents, with deadly force if necessary. to me, breaking my moral code would be to betray a loved one.

A Karenina · Post by **A Karenina** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:39 pm

Some say that the definition of being civilized is not to act on our impulses, but to stop and think it through before acting. In the circumstances listed above, I've no doubt that everyone would feel the same fierce protection, and be willing to kill at that moment.

But, rational thought makes us stop and think about it. If we do harm another, we are likely to pay the price, and it is akin to shooting ourselves in the foot - as well as our loved ones. (Good point, pink princess). Moral code then dictates that we leave retribution out of it, and let professionals pursue justice for us.

The paragraph above assumes that the harm to our loved one has already been done. But if we caught someone in the act of harming, then everything changes.

Soooo, all that being said, I never took the question to mean harm to my kids. My first thought was about the things people have been asked to do historically, and would I ever have the courage necessary to do them myself? I'm studying history in college right now, so I'll blame my gruesome example on that.

Being burned at the stake has got to be an incredibly painful way to die. I know how I flinch when I get a tiny burn on my finger. So many innocent people were killed this way, and were offered a quicker death by garrotte if they'd confess to witchcraft. What a position to be in. If you confess, then you are giving substance to ridiculous charges, and people (sheep that we are) will nod and say that the church must be right because people are confessing. So it continues. But the alternative - to die so horribly in order to be one tiny cog in a huge wheel, in hopes that it might stop some day...

Same situation portrayed in the Braveheart movie. Who would have the courage to die a traitor's death in order to preserve their ideals and inspire a people?

I don't think I could do it, to be honest. I'd like to think that I could, and I believe I've done fairly well with my own challenges, but something like that? I'd probably crumble.

turbonium · Post by **turbonium** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:40 pm

I certainly see myself breaking the law, not my moral code, if a member of my family is attacked.. For example, if my mother or child was brutally raped/beaten/murdered, then the perp was let go thanks to our lax judicial system, then I could easily see myself commiting the crime of crashing my vehicle full speed into his scumbag ass! And then using his head as a speed bump!

I'm against killing another human being, in 99.99% of the circumstances. This would likely be that .01%, I have to admit....I would be willing to pay the price for my actions under these circumstances. The alternative of seeing the vile roach happily continue his life in freedom, with the likelihood of repeating his crimes, would be too much for me to bear.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:50 pm

I doubt i could ever actually bring myself to harm another person no matter how bad the crime against my family. I would certainly think about all the nasty things I would do to them. My fiance felt he had to teach me to defend myself since we live in the boondocks and I told him I had never hit anyone in my life - not a part my nature. I just posed the question because I think the threat to my family could push me over the edge.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:36 pm

Its a much different in the UK to Southern Ireland. In the UK they can get up to 15 years prison. Here depending on who they are i.e priest,government ministers ,pop stars ect can get 2 to 3 years in one of those holiday camp prisons. If it was my child that was attacked I would hire a hit man or do it myself.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:52 pm

FR - I see your point and it may be true.....don't know what you are capable of until it's you or them. I hope it never happens in my life. I do know I got the beatings stopped when I was 13 when I caught the arm of my abuser in mid swing and told her "No more, don't ever hit me again".