Is It Worth It?

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:11 am

In keeping with some of my health related threads, I'm trying to understand something. Feel free to add more "is it worth it to..." questions to this thread, keeping to a matter of health concern. Hypothetical situation #1

Breast enlargement.

Scenario: A woman decides to get saline implants to improve her self image. Her husband likes large breasts, doesn't demand she get hers enlarged but is pleased with her choice. The procedure is done. After the initial phase of pain and discomfort, inability to lift anything, including getting herself out of bed, she recovers. She loves her new look. She feels others look at her in a different light that pleases her. Her husband is very stimulated. After awhile, she notices autoimmune responses including headaches, muscle pain and allergy symptoms. This may or may not be related to the implants.

Though her husband is enjoying her new body, the woman finds that she has lost some feeling in her breasts so they look good but her stimulation is reduced. Three years go by. One of the implants needs to be replaced. At this point, the woman has started suffering from migraines though not on a daily basis. She has increased numbness in her breasts. She still likes the way they look and needs to decide whether or not to replace the implant.

What would you suggest and why?

Is it worth it to continue the implants?

Do you think it was worth it to have done the implants in the first place?

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:49 am

I know that you are not supposed to answer a question with a question but here I go anyway.

What is it with women?

Why can’t they be happy with their bodies as they are and stop being continuously sucked into the marketing image of what beauty should be?

How much do women spend on make-up?

How much do they spend on designer clothes?

Why do they always find the things that they dislike about themselves, then spend a fortune trying to change it? Then find that they are still not happy.

What happened to the idea of beauty being natural?

Has MTV fecked up our minds so much with the images of women they continuously bombard our kids with, often wearing next to nothing and hanging all over ugly fat rappers?

How can the ‘size zero’ be a social issue when the fastest growing medical crisis is obesity?

Call me crazy, but I still like my women with the natural look. Give me a sincere smile and happiness in the eyes over fake boobs any day.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:01 am

Do you think it was worth it to have done the implants in the first place?

Absolutely NOT. If I wanted a plastic woman I'd buy a blow-up one that doesn't answer back! :sneaky:

Ok, I know all this female concern with their appearance is because men (shallow, dick led creatures that we are

) respond to it, and women are trying to attract the best possible mate, but I do find plastic deeply unattractive, and indeed any more than the subtlest of make-up.

On the other hand, if your nipples are swinging round your knees, I wouldn't object to a bit of nip-and-tuck - which is just as bad. Consistent? Me? :rolleyes:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:05 am

Nope. I would rather them flop than have to worry about one fixing to pop.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:07 am

Now to answer your question. Tell her to take them out and tell her husband to love her for who she is not the firmness of her t1ts.

jennyswan · Post by **jennyswan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:15 am

I think it's great when used in reconstruction surgery.

As for girls getting it just to look better, I don't know, I would maybe suggest to work on self esteem in other ways first but if it was something that really affected someone mentally and it would improve their condition then I would say why not. You always hear the horror stories and you never hear about the thousands of women who got it done and never had a problem. I don't like to be judgemental of others and it's a free world. I would think as long as the girl is doing it for herself and not to make someone else happy.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:18 am

My niece had it done about a year ago and she was flat as a board. The only thing that bothered me was when her mom announced that "now she is perfect" to everyone. Like, she wasn't perfect before the boob job?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:20 am

Thinking a bit harder, and with an organ located above the neck, the operation has been done for three years and the implants are part of the relationship. The woman should certainly discuss the matter with hubby who should, if they are causing his beloved pain, be urging her to have them out.

There might be a problem if he's a real tit fetishist who can't get it up unless confronted by mammaries bigger than his head, but other than that any decent man would want the woman he loved free of pain.

Perhaps the saddest thing in the scenario is the loss of feeling for the woman, both for the woman, for obvious reasons, and for the man, since one of the most arousing things for a male is the symptoms of arousal in the female.

(Cloddhopper sidles off for a cold shower...

)

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:32 am

YEP. I like my women as God made 'em. Bottom line, ya mess with God's creations, ya ask for trouble.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:54 am

Well, EXXXXCUUUUUSEE me.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:05 am

Most males I know dont like the plastic look anyhow and prefer the look of a natural well rounded breast or similar...( . )( . ) (,) (,) ( . ) ( . ) (.)(.)

Unless due to cancer etc...id never have a boob job, but then I have a nice pair:wah:

My hubby loves them so im secure but maybe if I was made to feel insecure id have a different outlook.

I dont agree with girls and young women under 25 having the op. I especially think alot of women should wait till they have at least had one child (if their able) as you body changes so much during and after childbirth.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:25 am

I wondered if it referred to the Jubilee Fellowship Club ?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:39 am

Jester;819133 wrote: :-3 I shall trust yer judgement.
Jester, think of your lord and savior then enter the "F" word as the middle name..

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:42 am

Shut your mouth and say it isnt so:wah::wah::wah:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:49 am

rjwould;819161 wrote: Well, it could be noun-verb-noun, or perhaps a misplaced adjective in the middle of a name, but whatever it is, it is not meant as a middle name. It's an expression of frustration.

well....when I first saw it I thought it said kfc....finger lickin good stuff hah hah

but alas it never....You Bad rj.....bloody great:wah:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:58 am

rjwould;819161 wrote: Well, it could be noun-verb-noun, or perhaps a misplaced adjective in the middle of a name, but whatever it is, it is not meant as a middle name. It's an expression of frustration.
It was just a way to explain it to him without offending.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:05 am

[quote=JAB;819180]You mean in the physical sense? I don't think a guy should be compelled to have cosmetic or enhancement surgery either to make his relationship work.

Does the woman love him or just his penis?[quote]

Hopefully both, but either one will work.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:06 am

[QUOTE=YZGI;819198][quote=JAB;819180]You mean in the physical sense? I don't think a guy should be compelled to have cosmetic or enhancement surgery either to make his relationship work.

Does the woman love him or just his penis?

Hopefully both, but either one will work.

stop saying penis:sneaky:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:08 am

is that you YGZI :wah::wah::wah::wah:

sorry i went off topic....again........it was rj and yzgi who made me do it:sneaky:

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:11 am

:wah:Now that's what I call a prick

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:16 am

JAB;819209 wrote: [quote=YZGI]

You're batting .500 then. In baseball....you'd be a multimillionaire many times over. :wah:
I don't charge for my services.:wah:

I'm just happy to use the bat.

jennyswan · Post by **jennyswan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:45 am

It's important for a man to know that a woman only dates because a vibrator can't pay for drinks

Sorry, slightly off topic.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:27 am

I have friends that had "boob jobs", one was completely flat chested, had kids about 7-10 years old and decided she wanted breasts, this has been about 4 years now, and lost touch with her now so I'm not sure how she's doing with them. (she was about 35 or so when she had them done)....Hubby was very happy when she had them done, she made it clear that this was for HER!!!

Another friend of mine had them done after her first child was born because she went down to a B size....and wanted to be a large C again...those puppies are BIG! (she was 20 when she went through this procedure) She was separated from hubby at the time.

Another friend of mine is in her mid-to late 40's, I have known her for about 15 years, she was flat chested as well, she has a beautiful figure now, has never complained about them at all. She was married, but on the brink of divorce.

Another friend (more like aquaintance-sp?) had them done when she was young, and she is in her mid to late 50's and she needs to have them either removed or replaced...last I talked to her she told me she regretted ever having it done....this was about 3 years ago...(happily married for over 30 years)

I have another friend that desperately wants them, she is flat chested, and she can't afford them, I hope that she doesn't ever have them done for her health reasons.

My opinion:...I would never have a boob job, I used to complain about me being the head of the "itty bitty titty committe"...but now that I gained weight, I'm a plump C....even if I am small and flat chested....I am comfortable in my own skin. (I know I complain about my weight...but honestly....I wouldn't have surgery to change it, I just need to stop eating ho-ho's and twinkies!!)

I agree with what has been said about our society and movies, magazines etc. We are bombarded with this image of a beautiful woman, that is almost impossible to duplicate....its a shame, because beauty is within....some are born with outer beauty, but I've met many that are ugly on the inside too!

As for altering your body for a man....ha...been there, done that....I stressed about losing weight for the ex, for over 10 years, and in the end...he left me anyway, that lesson is a hard one to learn though. I recently looked a young girl in the eyes and told her not to soley depend on the man she was getting ready to marry (she shared with me he had already cheated on her btw) and she looked at me like I was crazy, just as I looked at the woman 20+ years ago that told me not to move in with my ex after only knowing him for 3 weeks....

sorry if I went off topic....

NO, she shouldn't have the implants, she should take them out and tell her husband to stuff them up his hiney!!....hows that for a response?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:31 am

WonderWendy3;819365 wrote: I have friends that had "boob jobs", one was completely flat chested, had kids about 7-10 years old and decided she wanted breasts, this has been about 4 years now, and lost touch with her now so I'm not sure how she's doing with them. (she was about 35 or so when she had them done)....Hubby was very happy when she had them done, she made it clear that this was for HER!!!

Another friend of mine had them done after her first child was born because she went down to a B size....and wanted to be a large C again...those puppies are BIG! (she was 20 when she went through this procedure) She was separated from hubby at the time.

Another friend of mine is in her mid-to late 40's, I have known her for about 15 years, she was flat chested as well, she has a beautiful figure now, has never complained about them at all. She was married, but on the brink of divorce.

Another friend (more like aquaintance-sp?) had them done when she was young, and she is in her mid to late 50's and she needs to have them either removed or replaced...last I talked to her she told me she regretted ever having it done....this was about 3 years ago...(happily married for over 30 years)

I have another friend that desperately wants them, she is flat chested, and she can't afford them, I hope that she doesn't ever have them done for her health reasons.

My opinion:...I would never have a boob job, I used to complain about me being the head of the "itty bitty titty committe"...but now that I gained weight, I'm a plump C....even if I am small and flat chested....I am comfortable in my own skin. (I know I complain about my weight...but honestly....I wouldn't have surgery to change it, I just need to stop eating ho-ho's and twinkies!!)

I agree with what has been said about our society and movies, magazines etc. We are bombarded with this image of a beautiful woman, that is almost impossible to duplicate....its a shame, because beauty is within....some are born with outer beauty, but I've met many that are ugly on the inside too!

As for altering your body for a man....ha...been there, done that....I stressed about losing weight for the ex, for over 10 years, and in the end...he left me anyway, that lesson is a hard one to learn though. I recently looked a young girl in the eyes and told her not to soley depend on the man she was getting ready to marry (she shared with me he had already cheated on her btw) and she looked at me like I was crazy, just as I looked at the woman 20+ years ago that told me not to move in with my ex after only knowing him for 3 weeks....

sorry if I went off topic....

NO, she shouldn't have the implants, she should take them out and tell her husband to stuff them up his hiney!!....hows that for a response?

Wow, is it me or do you have an abnormally large number of friends that are or were flat chested?:wah:

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:38 am

YZGI;819372 wrote: Wow, is it me or do you have an abnormally large number of friends that are or were flat chested?:wah:

the only 4 I have....un-canny isn't it??

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:51 am

Jester;819400 wrote: Nah yer right on topic darlin...

Ive been married to the same woman for 26 years, everyday she looks past me into who I am, and every day I look into who shes is, everyday we both see how precious life is and we dont stop cause we might be getting older.

Scars are proof of our endurance of life.

Lest you think he has that attitude from his ordeal, I knew him for 5 years before his ordeal and he was the same way.

In my very limited opinion compared to his, life is about soul and not about the physical.

those words are truly inspiring and very true.......Hes a amazing fellow:-6

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:59 am

Jester;819400 wrote: Nah yer right on topic darlin...

One of my Aunts ended up dying from breast cancer, my mother insisted that she go for the reconstructive surgery after her first mastectomy, story goes that she said, 'honey I love you but, Uncle Paul loves me for my peanutbutter cake, not my left breast'. To which was over heard from the living room a very hardy 'AMEN, and please bring me another slice'... her reply of course was, 'get off yer bum steer and get it yourself'...

Whats on my outside is not me, its just my outside.

I know a guy that was in a helicopter crash, he was flash burned over 60% of his body including his face. He spent 9 years undergoing surgeries to restore as much function as possible. I met up with him not too long ago in Southern CA, he spoke to a group of young soldiers about his experinces prior to the crash, they asked him how he survived all the surgeries and how he lives with what he is. He says 'the government meets all my needs for serving, Im retired, in my early 40's, I play golf three times a week, Ive been married to the same woman for 26 years, everyday she looks past me into who I am, and every day I look into who shes is, everyday we both see how precious life is and we dont stop cause we might be getting older.

Scars are proof of our endurance of life.

Lest you think he has that attitude from his ordeal, I knew him for 5 years before his ordeal and he was the same way.

In my very limited opinion compared to his, life is about soul and not about the physical.

In a nut-shell, that's what it is all about! Very well said! ...I add my hearty AMEN!!

My mom is a breast cancer survivor, and she is my hero!:-4:-4