Loads of you claim to be christian this, christian that, but what does it REALLY mean to you?
What did Christ himself mean it to be?
What exactly is it?
I've read many posts regarding how you dont even believe the bible to be true.
So what is it that you do believe? How do you even know if Christ existed if you dont believe in the fundamental accounts of His life?
If you doubt the accuracy of part, how can you not question the whole?
Is being a christian going to a building every Sunday to make yourself feel sanctified?
I've watched the church crowd flood the hospital corridors every Sunday. Where are they the rest of the week? Those people they visit are still there.
Do you tithe to the church so they can buy new carpet to the sanctuary whilst the very neighbors they are commanded to love have their lights turned off because they cant pay the bill?
Do you send x dollars/pounds to 'christian charity funds' while there are still people sleeping rough in the parks and streets?
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me. White washed tombs full of decay and all manner of corruption.
Hypocrits! Blind guides! Money changers! Modern Christianity makes me sick. They can keep their theosophy. If a modern christian is a model and follower of the true Christ, then let me be pagan!
What is a Christian?
What is a Christian?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
What is a Christian?
Absolutely, Raven. It's a dead religion because it's an exclusive religion. It insists that it's the best way to salvation, that no other religion washes as white, that all other worshipers from non-Christian religious backgrounds, if they have any relationship with God, only do so because God re-interprets their worship in Christian terms. It's time Christianity was abandoned, it's become too unclean from too many bad associations and too many bigotted adherents. I'm stuck with it, it's the only teaching and practice I've had or I'll get, but I'd never recommend it to anyone.
What it really means to me is a parade of bigotry, often involving death. That may not be true now of large areas of Christianity, but the religion is never going to be free of it, or free of its history.
Christ had no intention at all of breaking his followers out of Judaism. He commissioned some of them to go out and spread the good news of rebirth and salvation, and then he had a really bad year involving a crucifixion. From then on things only got worse. Saint Paul interpreted the past into a coherent faith, that's where Christianity began. Christ had no idea of the things Saint Paul invented, and never taught them.
"What is it that you do believe" - I believe that a lot of Christians have developed spiritually by behaving in particular ways and by exploring themselves in particular ways. A lot of them left accounts of what they did. As an experiential exploration of spirituality, those guidebooks are invaluable and powerful. I believe they did what they say and found what they found because I can test their accounts and follow their way. As a practical path toward spiritual development, the Christian path is very well trodden and very effective. That's the extent of my belief. Part of the path is the acceptance of faith. Faith is not belief. Belief is either experimentally testable, or it is dogmatic. I spit on dogma. Dogma is where the crusades came from. Dogma is the well from which the Christian Fundamentalists drink. I wish they were poisoned. I hope I'm poisoning them. The wells, not the fundamentalists.
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me too, Raven. You keep on attacking it, it doesn't deserve to live.
What it really means to me is a parade of bigotry, often involving death. That may not be true now of large areas of Christianity, but the religion is never going to be free of it, or free of its history.
Christ had no intention at all of breaking his followers out of Judaism. He commissioned some of them to go out and spread the good news of rebirth and salvation, and then he had a really bad year involving a crucifixion. From then on things only got worse. Saint Paul interpreted the past into a coherent faith, that's where Christianity began. Christ had no idea of the things Saint Paul invented, and never taught them.
"What is it that you do believe" - I believe that a lot of Christians have developed spiritually by behaving in particular ways and by exploring themselves in particular ways. A lot of them left accounts of what they did. As an experiential exploration of spirituality, those guidebooks are invaluable and powerful. I believe they did what they say and found what they found because I can test their accounts and follow their way. As a practical path toward spiritual development, the Christian path is very well trodden and very effective. That's the extent of my belief. Part of the path is the acceptance of faith. Faith is not belief. Belief is either experimentally testable, or it is dogmatic. I spit on dogma. Dogma is where the crusades came from. Dogma is the well from which the Christian Fundamentalists drink. I wish they were poisoned. I hope I'm poisoning them. The wells, not the fundamentalists.
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me too, Raven. You keep on attacking it, it doesn't deserve to live.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What is a Christian?
Christianity is being Christ-like, but to what extent are modern day christians christlike is the multimillion dollar question. I am a christian who believes the Bible and this is my opinion about christianity today.
1. Christianity is a personal relationship with God hence the action of another should not deter me.
2. There are many nominal christians who give the faith a bad name but that doesn't mean all christianss are like that.
3. Men are not God, hence are bound to make mistakes in interpretation and judgement but that doesn't make christianity itself bad but the wrongful interpretation of some adherents.
4. Giving for God's work is still a wonderful thing that a christian can do. As an African, the gospel reached me because someone in Europe or America gave for that purpose. If they never, I probably may have been a savage pagan dwelling in a cave.
5. Christians believe that we are in the end times and the devil is damn busy (knowing his time is almost up) dividing the church and brewing confusion. No Bible believing christian expects all to be well in christiandom as the end approches. Christ himself warned us about false prophets in the last days.
6. It is okey not to believe that Jesus existed if a person so decides but don't judge the faith based on so-called Christians' ways of life, otherwise you'll live to loath the faith. The bible itself says that we are all sinners and no one is faithful. But by God's grace through Jesus we'll make it upstairs (Heaven).
Have a nice day!
1. Christianity is a personal relationship with God hence the action of another should not deter me.
2. There are many nominal christians who give the faith a bad name but that doesn't mean all christianss are like that.
3. Men are not God, hence are bound to make mistakes in interpretation and judgement but that doesn't make christianity itself bad but the wrongful interpretation of some adherents.
4. Giving for God's work is still a wonderful thing that a christian can do. As an African, the gospel reached me because someone in Europe or America gave for that purpose. If they never, I probably may have been a savage pagan dwelling in a cave.
5. Christians believe that we are in the end times and the devil is damn busy (knowing his time is almost up) dividing the church and brewing confusion. No Bible believing christian expects all to be well in christiandom as the end approches. Christ himself warned us about false prophets in the last days.
6. It is okey not to believe that Jesus existed if a person so decides but don't judge the faith based on so-called Christians' ways of life, otherwise you'll live to loath the faith. The bible itself says that we are all sinners and no one is faithful. But by God's grace through Jesus we'll make it upstairs (Heaven).
Have a nice day!
A formula for tact: "Be brief politely, be aggressive smilingly, be emphatic pleasantly, be positive diplomatically, be right graciously".
What is a Christian?
From a non religious and christ like view, being christian to me means, following the golden rule it really is that simple.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Plain and simple.
And the rest is what you believe in in yourself.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Plain and simple.
And the rest is what you believe in in yourself.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
• Mae West
What is a Christian?
Raven wrote: Loads of you claim to be christian this, christian that, but what does it REALLY mean to you?
What did Christ himself mean it to be?
What exactly is it?
I've read many posts regarding how you dont even believe the bible to be true.
So what is it that you do believe? How do you even know if Christ existed if you dont believe in the fundamental accounts of His life?
If you doubt the accuracy of part, how can you not question the whole?
Is being a christian going to a building every Sunday to make yourself feel sanctified?
I've watched the church crowd flood the hospital corridors every Sunday. Where are they the rest of the week? Those people they visit are still there.
Do you tithe to the church so they can buy new carpet to the sanctuary whilst the very neighbors they are commanded to love have their lights turned off because they cant pay the bill?
Do you send x dollars/pounds to 'christian charity funds' while there are still people sleeping rough in the parks and streets?
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me. White washed tombs full of decay and all manner of corruption.
Hypocrits! Blind guides! Money changers! Modern Christianity makes me sick. They can keep their theosophy. If a modern christian is a model and follower of the true Christ, then let me be pagan!
Without a doubt much of modern Christianity is far from what Jesus Christ intended it to be. That was prophesised from the early days. Apostacy set in right from the start. Today we have hundreds of denominations of "so called " Christianity.
One major one is more based on Babylonian/Greek mystery religion than the teachings of Christ.
Legions of Nominal Christians Make mockery of Christianity.
However, many people do try hard to live the teachings of Jesus. Many do care about the poor and the persecuted. It is totally wrong to paint all of Christianity with the same brush. To destroy Christianity, as one person posting on this thread wants, means throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
To me a Christian is one who believes in Jesus Christ. The Christ of the Bible. Believes He is the Son of God. Believes all he taught as found in the Scriptures. Is prepared to do as He requires, which involves Baptism for the remission of Sin. Then tries to live his/her life as close as possible to His teachings. It is NOT (as the World Council of Churches would have us believe), those who accept Church Dogma - such as belief in the Creeds. We should not blame Christianity for the mess we humans have made of it. We can't solve all the worlds problems and the poor will always be with us (Jesus words) We must await His second coming to correct the mess the world is in. We should do all we can in our limited way to help others."The second greatest commandment is....love your fellow man as yourself, this is all the law and the prophets".
Satan is real! He loves to hear all the anti-Christian slurs. He loves it when Christianity is cursed. Believe in Christ. Trust in Christ. Don't be turned away by those who slander. Millions of Peoples lives have changed for the better by following Chirst and the religion He founded.
What did Christ himself mean it to be?
What exactly is it?
I've read many posts regarding how you dont even believe the bible to be true.
So what is it that you do believe? How do you even know if Christ existed if you dont believe in the fundamental accounts of His life?
If you doubt the accuracy of part, how can you not question the whole?
Is being a christian going to a building every Sunday to make yourself feel sanctified?
I've watched the church crowd flood the hospital corridors every Sunday. Where are they the rest of the week? Those people they visit are still there.
Do you tithe to the church so they can buy new carpet to the sanctuary whilst the very neighbors they are commanded to love have their lights turned off because they cant pay the bill?
Do you send x dollars/pounds to 'christian charity funds' while there are still people sleeping rough in the parks and streets?
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me. White washed tombs full of decay and all manner of corruption.
Hypocrits! Blind guides! Money changers! Modern Christianity makes me sick. They can keep their theosophy. If a modern christian is a model and follower of the true Christ, then let me be pagan!
Without a doubt much of modern Christianity is far from what Jesus Christ intended it to be. That was prophesised from the early days. Apostacy set in right from the start. Today we have hundreds of denominations of "so called " Christianity.
One major one is more based on Babylonian/Greek mystery religion than the teachings of Christ.
Legions of Nominal Christians Make mockery of Christianity.
However, many people do try hard to live the teachings of Jesus. Many do care about the poor and the persecuted. It is totally wrong to paint all of Christianity with the same brush. To destroy Christianity, as one person posting on this thread wants, means throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
To me a Christian is one who believes in Jesus Christ. The Christ of the Bible. Believes He is the Son of God. Believes all he taught as found in the Scriptures. Is prepared to do as He requires, which involves Baptism for the remission of Sin. Then tries to live his/her life as close as possible to His teachings. It is NOT (as the World Council of Churches would have us believe), those who accept Church Dogma - such as belief in the Creeds. We should not blame Christianity for the mess we humans have made of it. We can't solve all the worlds problems and the poor will always be with us (Jesus words) We must await His second coming to correct the mess the world is in. We should do all we can in our limited way to help others."The second greatest commandment is....love your fellow man as yourself, this is all the law and the prophets".
Satan is real! He loves to hear all the anti-Christian slurs. He loves it when Christianity is cursed. Believe in Christ. Trust in Christ. Don't be turned away by those who slander. Millions of Peoples lives have changed for the better by following Chirst and the religion He founded.
What is a Christian?
ldsguy wrote: To destroy Chirstianity as one person posting on this thread wants,means throwing the baby out with the bathwater.If you're going to notice me, ldsguy, then at least answer the points.
Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white?
Does Christianity insist that all other worshipers from non-Christian religious backgrounds, if they have any relationship with God, only do so because God re-interprets their worship in Christian terms?
Your very list shows your dogmatic grounding: "... believes ... Believes ... Believes ... It is NOT ... those who accept Church Dogma". You're picking your dogmatic cherries, that's all. Faith is a positive attitude, belief is corrosive.
The bathwater has been so fetid, so corrupt, so polluted, for so long, that this particular baby is dead. By all means conceive of another.
Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white?
Does Christianity insist that all other worshipers from non-Christian religious backgrounds, if they have any relationship with God, only do so because God re-interprets their worship in Christian terms?
Your very list shows your dogmatic grounding: "... believes ... Believes ... Believes ... It is NOT ... those who accept Church Dogma". You're picking your dogmatic cherries, that's all. Faith is a positive attitude, belief is corrosive.
The bathwater has been so fetid, so corrupt, so polluted, for so long, that this particular baby is dead. By all means conceive of another.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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MicahLorain
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What is a Christian?
TW2005 wrote: Somebody that wears polyester suits and gets up too early on Sundays. :yh_giggle
I go to church saturdy nights and i dont own any polyester.
I go to church saturdy nights and i dont own any polyester.
What is a Christian?
spot wrote: If you're going to notice me, ldsguy, then at least answer the points.
Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white?
Does Christianity insist that all other worshipers from non-Christian religious backgrounds, if they have any relationship with God, only do so because God re-interprets their worship in Christian terms?
Your very list shows your dogmatic grounding: "... believes ... Believes ... Believes ... It is NOT ... those who accept Church Dogma". You're picking your dogmatic cherries, that's all. Faith is a positive attitude, belief is corrosive.
The bathwater has been so fetid, so corrupt, so polluted, for so long, that this particular baby is dead. By all means conceive of another.
Belief belief Belief? Of course! Belief proceeds Faith. All reliegion requires belief. Agnosticism and atheism requires belief. I am not going to apologise for coming on a Christian Forum and standing up for Christianity. Sure much of modern Christianity is corrupt. My belief - Faith if you will - is in the teachings of Christ. I am not for destroying Christianity due to the fact that much of the practise of that faith has become polluted. What should we replace it with? Paganism? Islam? Hinduism? Mans own wisdom? The God Science? Why did I state that Christianity is not about Church Dogma? Because much of it is not the teachings of Christ. Its spurious.
Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white? Yes it does. Christians do believe always have believed that following Jesus Christ is the only way back to God. Jesus Himself stated as much. IF the teachings of Christ are true, then why should we not accept the way He taught.
As so often is the case Anti-Christians use Christian forums to spread their poison.
I believe, yes believe, that Christ will soon return and bring in the millenium reign. Call that dogma. Call it naieve. Cal it brainwashing. I stand up for my faith - my beliefs.
Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white?
Does Christianity insist that all other worshipers from non-Christian religious backgrounds, if they have any relationship with God, only do so because God re-interprets their worship in Christian terms?
Your very list shows your dogmatic grounding: "... believes ... Believes ... Believes ... It is NOT ... those who accept Church Dogma". You're picking your dogmatic cherries, that's all. Faith is a positive attitude, belief is corrosive.
The bathwater has been so fetid, so corrupt, so polluted, for so long, that this particular baby is dead. By all means conceive of another.
Belief belief Belief? Of course! Belief proceeds Faith. All reliegion requires belief. Agnosticism and atheism requires belief. I am not going to apologise for coming on a Christian Forum and standing up for Christianity. Sure much of modern Christianity is corrupt. My belief - Faith if you will - is in the teachings of Christ. I am not for destroying Christianity due to the fact that much of the practise of that faith has become polluted. What should we replace it with? Paganism? Islam? Hinduism? Mans own wisdom? The God Science? Why did I state that Christianity is not about Church Dogma? Because much of it is not the teachings of Christ. Its spurious.
Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white? Yes it does. Christians do believe always have believed that following Jesus Christ is the only way back to God. Jesus Himself stated as much. IF the teachings of Christ are true, then why should we not accept the way He taught.
As so often is the case Anti-Christians use Christian forums to spread their poison.
I believe, yes believe, that Christ will soon return and bring in the millenium reign. Call that dogma. Call it naieve. Cal it brainwashing. I stand up for my faith - my beliefs.
What is a Christian?
polycarp wrote: Christianity is being Christ-like, but to what extent are modern day christians christlike is the multimillion dollar question. I am a christian who believes the Bible and this is my opinion about christianity today.
1. Christianity is a personal relationship with God hence the action of another should not deter me.
2. There are many nominal christians who give the faith a bad name but that doesn't mean all christianss are like that.
3. Men are not God, hence are bound to make mistakes in interpretation and judgement but that doesn't make christianity itself bad but the wrongful interpretation of some adherents.
4. Giving for God's work is still a wonderful thing that a christian can do. As an African, the gospel reached me because someone in Europe or America gave for that purpose. If they never, I probably may have been a savage pagan dwelling in a cave.
5. Christians believe that we are in the end times and the devil is damn busy (knowing his time is almost up) dividing the church and brewing confusion. No Bible believing christian expects all to be well in christiandom as the end approches. Christ himself warned us about false prophets in the last days.
6. It is okey not to believe that Jesus existed if a person so decides but don't judge the faith based on so-called Christians' ways of life, otherwise you'll live to loath the faith. The bible itself says that we are all sinners and no one is faithful. But by God's grace through Jesus we'll make it upstairs (Heaven).
Have a nice day!
Very well said. I agree entirely. This forum is becoming a sounding board for anti-christian poison
1. Christianity is a personal relationship with God hence the action of another should not deter me.
2. There are many nominal christians who give the faith a bad name but that doesn't mean all christianss are like that.
3. Men are not God, hence are bound to make mistakes in interpretation and judgement but that doesn't make christianity itself bad but the wrongful interpretation of some adherents.
4. Giving for God's work is still a wonderful thing that a christian can do. As an African, the gospel reached me because someone in Europe or America gave for that purpose. If they never, I probably may have been a savage pagan dwelling in a cave.
5. Christians believe that we are in the end times and the devil is damn busy (knowing his time is almost up) dividing the church and brewing confusion. No Bible believing christian expects all to be well in christiandom as the end approches. Christ himself warned us about false prophets in the last days.
6. It is okey not to believe that Jesus existed if a person so decides but don't judge the faith based on so-called Christians' ways of life, otherwise you'll live to loath the faith. The bible itself says that we are all sinners and no one is faithful. But by God's grace through Jesus we'll make it upstairs (Heaven).
Have a nice day!
Very well said. I agree entirely. This forum is becoming a sounding board for anti-christian poison
What is a Christian?
ldsguy wrote: This forum is becoming a sounding board for anti-christian poison
How can you say that after the short time you've been here? I see that you have stuck mostly to the religious discussions, but the people here are not so easily categorized.
polycarp wrote: Christianity is a personal relationship with God
THAT is the key here. A man's (or woman's) walk with God is truly personal, and no religion, no church, no PERSON can say different, or that one is wrong and another is right.
How can you say that after the short time you've been here? I see that you have stuck mostly to the religious discussions, but the people here are not so easily categorized.
polycarp wrote: Christianity is a personal relationship with God
THAT is the key here. A man's (or woman's) walk with God is truly personal, and no religion, no church, no PERSON can say different, or that one is wrong and another is right.
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~Darrel Worley~
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
~Darrel Worley~
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Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN?????
We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
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MicahLorain
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What is a Christian?
Though we can all agree islam is evil and backwords.
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LottomagicZ4941
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What is a Christian?
I believe that it means to endever to be Christ like.
We are new creachers in Christ once we accept him into our hearts.
We are to forgive 7 times 7 times seven and I think another times seven.
Easier said then done and we all fall short of the glory of Christ.
But we are also forgiven for this through Grace.
People often say to me that the Bible has contradictions but when I press them to show me one they never can identify one.
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We are new creachers in Christ once we accept him into our hearts.
We are to forgive 7 times 7 times seven and I think another times seven.
Easier said then done and we all fall short of the glory of Christ.
But we are also forgiven for this through Grace.
People often say to me that the Bible has contradictions but when I press them to show me one they never can identify one.
Lotto
http://tinyurl.com/ac72l
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What is a Christian?
I embrace the teachings and person of Christ. I follow him, seeking to be more like him and less like the person I was before I immersed myself in him. I place great value in the Scriptures as he did and the writings about him in the “New Testamentâ€.
I’m like the salmon swimming to the spawning bed (new life). I get tired along the way, I can look pretty ugly at times and I even chase after the bait presented by the one who would harm me. I rest behind rocks where I don’t look like I’m doing anything and I sometimes stray from the school. I’m keeping my eye on the goal and hoping I never waste it all by turning back.
I’m like the salmon swimming to the spawning bed (new life). I get tired along the way, I can look pretty ugly at times and I even chase after the bait presented by the one who would harm me. I rest behind rocks where I don’t look like I’m doing anything and I sometimes stray from the school. I’m keeping my eye on the goal and hoping I never waste it all by turning back.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
What is a Christian?
Clint wrote: I embrace the teachings and person of Christ. I follow him, seeking to be more like him and less like the person I was before I immersed myself in him. I place great value in the Scriptures as he did and the writings about him in the “New Testamentâ€.
I’m like the salmon swimming to the spawning bed (new life). I get tired along the way, I can look pretty ugly at times and I even chase after the bait presented by the one who would harm me. I rest behind rocks where I don’t look like I’m doing anything and I sometimes stray from the school. I’m keeping my eye on the goal and hoping I never waste it all by turning back.
God bless you Clint
I’m like the salmon swimming to the spawning bed (new life). I get tired along the way, I can look pretty ugly at times and I even chase after the bait presented by the one who would harm me. I rest behind rocks where I don’t look like I’m doing anything and I sometimes stray from the school. I’m keeping my eye on the goal and hoping I never waste it all by turning back.
God bless you Clint
What is a Christian?
BabyRider wrote: How can you say that after the short time you've been here? I see that you have stuck mostly to the religious discussions, but the people here are not so easily categorized.
THAT is the key here. A man's (or woman's) walk with God is truly personal, and no religion, no church, no PERSON can say different, or that one is wrong and another is right.
I am only speaking as I see it. I am reading postings about the polution of Christianity (which I accept), means we should discard it as a dead religeon. (which I don.t agree) These sentiments cannot come from any dedicated Christian, and much of the wording can do little but try to turn people from the religeon founded by Christ.
The amount of time I have been on here is irrelevlent.
THAT is the key here. A man's (or woman's) walk with God is truly personal, and no religion, no church, no PERSON can say different, or that one is wrong and another is right.
I am only speaking as I see it. I am reading postings about the polution of Christianity (which I accept), means we should discard it as a dead religeon. (which I don.t agree) These sentiments cannot come from any dedicated Christian, and much of the wording can do little but try to turn people from the religeon founded by Christ.
The amount of time I have been on here is irrelevlent.
What is a Christian?
ldsguy wrote: I am only speaking as I see it. I am reading postings about the polution of Christianity (which I accept), means we should discard it as a dead religeon. (which I don.t agree) These sentiments cannot come from any dedicated Christian, and much of the wording can do little but try to turn people from the religeon founded by Christ.It's all a matter of perception, ldsguy. As it happens, I'm an occasional preacher. To say "these sentiments cannot come from any dedicated Christian" is more judgemental than I'd care to be about anyone. You know why I'm posting here in the terms I use? Because I have a total problem with your degree of certainty in what is right for other people. What you are doing in the name of my faith would give most Christians cause to reflect on the damage their religion might be causing in this world.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What is a Christian?
MicahLorain wrote: Though we can all agree islam is evil and backwords.Do allow me to give the lie to that disgusting blasphemy.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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nvalleyvee
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What is a Christian?
minks wrote: From a non religious and christ like view, being christian to me means, following the golden rule it really is that simple.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Plain and simple.
And the rest is what you believe in in yourself.
I think every religion tries to teach good conduct among your fellow human beings. It is not a Christian specific point of view. I agree with you Minks - treat others as you want to be treated.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Plain and simple.
And the rest is what you believe in in yourself.
I think every religion tries to teach good conduct among your fellow human beings. It is not a Christian specific point of view. I agree with you Minks - treat others as you want to be treated.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
What is a Christian?
Raven wrote: Loads of you claim to be christian this, christian that, but what does it REALLY mean to you?
What did Christ himself mean it to be?
What exactly is it?
I've read many posts regarding how you dont even believe the bible to be true.
So what is it that you do believe? How do you even know if Christ existed if you dont believe in the fundamental accounts of His life?
If you doubt the accuracy of part, how can you not question the whole?
Is being a christian going to a building every Sunday to make yourself feel sanctified?
I've watched the church crowd flood the hospital corridors every Sunday. Where are they the rest of the week? Those people they visit are still there.
Do you tithe to the church so they can buy new carpet to the sanctuary whilst the very neighbors they are commanded to love have their lights turned off because they cant pay the bill?
Do you send x dollars/pounds to 'christian charity funds' while there are still people sleeping rough in the parks and streets?
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me. White washed tombs full of decay and all manner of corruption.
Hypocrits! Blind guides! Money changers! Modern Christianity makes me sick. They can keep their theosophy. If a modern christian is a model and follower of the true Christ, then let me be pagan!
It inever ceases to amaze me how it it always seems to be the anti-Christian who gets so wound up about religion, always attacking with great gustre everything that is "wrong" about Christianity. I don't hear them attacking the Muslim, Hindu or any other faiths. If they are so sick of "Modern Christianity", why rant and rave about it in the first place? Why not just jeer quietly to themselves and let us go about giving thanks to the life God has given us in our own way? If anyone asks me what a Christian is, I tell them that it somebody who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Guide and Saviour, and place their total 100% faith in Him, and Him ONLY. The bible tells us quite clearly "I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life", and that however clever your arguments may look or sound on paper, "Nobody comes to the Father, except through the Son." I am not worried about what is wrong with the Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any other religion. I just give thanks to my God for everything He has ever given me, and for what He gives others who may or may not know Him. I have total faith in the only one who has never let me down, AND NEVER WILL. As a practising Christian who was close to a nervous breakdown before "finding God", I happily profess my faith before all men, and for people like you to jeer at. Peace be with you.
What did Christ himself mean it to be?
What exactly is it?
I've read many posts regarding how you dont even believe the bible to be true.
So what is it that you do believe? How do you even know if Christ existed if you dont believe in the fundamental accounts of His life?
If you doubt the accuracy of part, how can you not question the whole?
Is being a christian going to a building every Sunday to make yourself feel sanctified?
I've watched the church crowd flood the hospital corridors every Sunday. Where are they the rest of the week? Those people they visit are still there.
Do you tithe to the church so they can buy new carpet to the sanctuary whilst the very neighbors they are commanded to love have their lights turned off because they cant pay the bill?
Do you send x dollars/pounds to 'christian charity funds' while there are still people sleeping rough in the parks and streets?
Modern Christianity has become something vile to me. White washed tombs full of decay and all manner of corruption.
Hypocrits! Blind guides! Money changers! Modern Christianity makes me sick. They can keep their theosophy. If a modern christian is a model and follower of the true Christ, then let me be pagan!
It inever ceases to amaze me how it it always seems to be the anti-Christian who gets so wound up about religion, always attacking with great gustre everything that is "wrong" about Christianity. I don't hear them attacking the Muslim, Hindu or any other faiths. If they are so sick of "Modern Christianity", why rant and rave about it in the first place? Why not just jeer quietly to themselves and let us go about giving thanks to the life God has given us in our own way? If anyone asks me what a Christian is, I tell them that it somebody who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Guide and Saviour, and place their total 100% faith in Him, and Him ONLY. The bible tells us quite clearly "I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life", and that however clever your arguments may look or sound on paper, "Nobody comes to the Father, except through the Son." I am not worried about what is wrong with the Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any other religion. I just give thanks to my God for everything He has ever given me, and for what He gives others who may or may not know Him. I have total faith in the only one who has never let me down, AND NEVER WILL. As a practising Christian who was close to a nervous breakdown before "finding God", I happily profess my faith before all men, and for people like you to jeer at. Peace be with you.
In HIM I place my trust.
What is a Christian?
According to the latest research about 80% of the sayings included in the scriptures do not go bacak to the historical Jesus.
The historicity of the Bible is generally not supported by the archaeological research.
That being said the Bible becomes for as as Christians "The Word of God" not by virtue of its authorship but by virtue of the fact that God speaks to us through the Bible.
The Bible is composed of myth, legend, folk tale, poetry, short story, fiction, philosophy and theology. It has kernels of history spread throughout. Now this in no way denigrates the Bible because something does ot have to be historically true to teach profound truths
There are some 22 000 Christian denominations around the world. Several of them claiming to have the ultimate and only truth. LOL
In fact God has a thousand names and all of the major faiths around the world can be shown to be worshipping the one true God. As the Qu'ran says "God is one". Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism say essentially the same thing. So all are searching and seeking the same Divine Being in accordance with their culture and their cultural history.
Shalom
Ted :-6
The historicity of the Bible is generally not supported by the archaeological research.
That being said the Bible becomes for as as Christians "The Word of God" not by virtue of its authorship but by virtue of the fact that God speaks to us through the Bible.
The Bible is composed of myth, legend, folk tale, poetry, short story, fiction, philosophy and theology. It has kernels of history spread throughout. Now this in no way denigrates the Bible because something does ot have to be historically true to teach profound truths
There are some 22 000 Christian denominations around the world. Several of them claiming to have the ultimate and only truth. LOL
In fact God has a thousand names and all of the major faiths around the world can be shown to be worshipping the one true God. As the Qu'ran says "God is one". Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism say essentially the same thing. So all are searching and seeking the same Divine Being in accordance with their culture and their cultural history.
Shalom
Ted :-6
What is a Christian?
Frederick wrote: It inever ceases to amaze me how it it always seems to be the anti-Christian who gets so wound up about religion, always attacking with great gustre everything that is "wrong" about Christianity. I don't hear them attacking the Muslim, Hindu or any other faiths. If they are so sick of "Modern Christianity", why rant and rave about it in the first place? Why not just jeer quietly to themselves and let us go about giving thanks to the life God has given us in our own way? If anyone asks me what a Christian is, I tell them that it somebody who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Guide and Saviour, and place their total 100% faith in Him, and Him ONLY. The bible tells us quite clearly "I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life", and that however clever your arguments may look or sound on paper, "Nobody comes to the Father, except through the Son." I am not worried about what is wrong with the Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any other religion. I just give thanks to my God for everything He has ever given me, and for what He gives others who may or may not know Him. I have total faith in the only one who has never let me down, AND NEVER WILL. As a practising Christian who was close to a nervous breakdown before "finding God", I happily profess my faith before all men, and for people like you to jeer at. Peace be with you.
I've heard you wax on about how Christianity is so underdogged. Have you considered that verbal criticism is better than having bombs dropped on you? Do you truly believe that Christianity is under the most attack in the modern world?
(avoid the argument about why bombs are being dropped) Nobody is called evil because they are a Christian. Misguided, maybe, but there are worse fates.
I offer you the following smilie:
Attached files
I've heard you wax on about how Christianity is so underdogged. Have you considered that verbal criticism is better than having bombs dropped on you? Do you truly believe that Christianity is under the most attack in the modern world?
(avoid the argument about why bombs are being dropped) Nobody is called evil because they are a Christian. Misguided, maybe, but there are worse fates.
I offer you the following smilie:
Attached files
What is a Christian?
ldsguy wrote: Does Christianity insist that it's the best way to salvation? That no other religion washes as white? Yes it does. Christians do believe always have believed that following Jesus Christ is the only way back to God. Jesus Himself stated as much. IF the teachings of Christ are true, then why should we not accept the way He taught.Let me try to put it this way. If I discover, on my journey, perhaps at the bar of judgement, that this is an accurate reflection of the true state of affairs, I shall call God to account for the one-sided perversity of His intervention in history, I shall condemn Him for disgusting partiality as regards His chosen people whoever they ended up being, and should I still be allowed a place on the battlefield at Armageddon, I shall side with Satan and all his little imps and demons in trying to bring God down. Any theology which leaves a select few in possession of the means of grace and the hope of salvation is a theology the world desperately needs to be rid of. Is that sufficiently plain?
Now, if that makes me anti-Christian in your eyes, then go to a mirror and check where that plank of wood is lodged. From where I stand, it makes me no such thing. I profess myself a Christian, in the teeth of your denial if need be.
Now, if that makes me anti-Christian in your eyes, then go to a mirror and check where that plank of wood is lodged. From where I stand, it makes me no such thing. I profess myself a Christian, in the teeth of your denial if need be.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What is a Christian?
True Christianity is totally inclusive of all. God is the God of all not just one groups, nation or tribe.
Jesus way is very clear in Matthew 25 in the last half of that chapter 31ff.
Anyoe who reads that as exclusive betrays all that Jesus taught and lived.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Jesus way is very clear in Matthew 25 in the last half of that chapter 31ff.
Anyoe who reads that as exclusive betrays all that Jesus taught and lived.
Shalom
Ted :-6
What is a Christian?
spot wrote: It's all a matter of perception, ldsguy. As it happens, I'm an occasional preacher. To say "these sentiments cannot come from any dedicated Christian" is more judgemental than I'd care to be about anyone. You know why I'm posting here in the terms I use? Because I have a total problem with your degree of certainty in what is right for other people. What you are doing in the name of my faith would give most Christians cause to reflect on the damage their religion might be causing in this world.
Ok we again agree to disagree. Guess I am more fundamental than you are Spot. To me the Scriptures are inspired of God. I take them as my guide to what to believe and how to behave. And to defend my faith. I concider it is the duty of a Chistian to lead others to Christ. that requires a good degree of certainty in what I believe. For hundreds of years mankind has pulled the scriptures to pieces "Bible Critisism", watered them down to suit individual or denominational preferences, etc. Result being the mishmash of beliefs and doctrines we find calling itself Christianity today. Its no wonder so many do not live close to there professed religion, most don,t even know what it is. What I have a total problem with is remarks such as - Modern Christianity is so polluted that we should throw it out - or words to that effect. If we are Christian surely we should hold on tight, preach the Word faithfully and await the second coming of Christ.
Ok we again agree to disagree. Guess I am more fundamental than you are Spot. To me the Scriptures are inspired of God. I take them as my guide to what to believe and how to behave. And to defend my faith. I concider it is the duty of a Chistian to lead others to Christ. that requires a good degree of certainty in what I believe. For hundreds of years mankind has pulled the scriptures to pieces "Bible Critisism", watered them down to suit individual or denominational preferences, etc. Result being the mishmash of beliefs and doctrines we find calling itself Christianity today. Its no wonder so many do not live close to there professed religion, most don,t even know what it is. What I have a total problem with is remarks such as - Modern Christianity is so polluted that we should throw it out - or words to that effect. If we are Christian surely we should hold on tight, preach the Word faithfully and await the second coming of Christ.
What is a Christian?
spot wrote: Let me try to put it this way. If I discover, on my journey, perhaps at the bar of judgement, that this is an accurate reflection of the true state of affairs, I shall call God to account for the one-sided perversity of His intervention in history, I shall condemn Him for disgusting partiality as regards His chosen people whoever they ended up being, and should I still be allowed a place on the battlefield at Armageddon, I shall side with Satan and all his little imps and demons in trying to bring God down. Any theology which leaves a select few in possession of the means of grace and the hope of salvation is a theology the world desperately needs to be rid of. Is that sufficiently plain?
Now, if that makes me anti-Christian in your eyes, then go to a mirror and check where that plank of wood is lodged. From where I stand, it makes me no such thing. I profess myself a Christian, in the teeth of your denial if need be.
Guess I am a Christian who believes in the Scriptures and especial the very words of Christ himself. The Bible tells us quite clearly "I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life", "Nobody comes to the Father, except through the Son." I personaly do not read that to mean that those who do not accept the Son now, can never return to the Father. I believe our Heavenly Father has made provision for more than this earthly life in which to accept Him and His Son. Eventualy everyone will have the opportunity to Know of Him and His Son, and accept. God loves all His children whatever their beliefs, but I have great difficulty in interpreting Christs words, as above, with the idea that we can return to the Father without Chirst. I also have difficulty accepting that those Christians who preach all roads lead to Heaven are doing Christianity any favours. I guess Spot we do indeed percieve our faith very differently
Now, if that makes me anti-Christian in your eyes, then go to a mirror and check where that plank of wood is lodged. From where I stand, it makes me no such thing. I profess myself a Christian, in the teeth of your denial if need be.
Guess I am a Christian who believes in the Scriptures and especial the very words of Christ himself. The Bible tells us quite clearly "I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life", "Nobody comes to the Father, except through the Son." I personaly do not read that to mean that those who do not accept the Son now, can never return to the Father. I believe our Heavenly Father has made provision for more than this earthly life in which to accept Him and His Son. Eventualy everyone will have the opportunity to Know of Him and His Son, and accept. God loves all His children whatever their beliefs, but I have great difficulty in interpreting Christs words, as above, with the idea that we can return to the Father without Chirst. I also have difficulty accepting that those Christians who preach all roads lead to Heaven are doing Christianity any favours. I guess Spot we do indeed percieve our faith very differently
What is a Christian?
I've just finished reading through this thread, agreeing and disagreeing as I moved from post to post. And changing my mind as I read one point of view and then another.
And whilst I'm as befuddled as ever, I would say that Clint's post stood out for me. Why? Because of its beautiful simplicity, honesty and, well, sense of humanness. It spoke volumes.
And whilst I'm as befuddled as ever, I would say that Clint's post stood out for me. Why? Because of its beautiful simplicity, honesty and, well, sense of humanness. It spoke volumes.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
What is a Christian?
theia wrote: I've just finished reading through this thread, agreeing and disagreeing as I moved from post to post. And changing my mind as I read one point of view and then another.
And whilst I'm as befuddled as ever, I would say that Clint's post stood out for me. Why? Because of its beautiful simplicity, honesty and, well, sense of humanness. It spoke volumes.
I agree. Clint is indeed a Christian with compassion and simplicity. If you are still befuddled, I urge you to pursue the teachings found in the Scriptures and the teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT be waylaid by the ideas and traditions of mankind. Jesus himself used the scriptures many times to make his points. never did he deny the Scriptures. His teachings were to the point, clear and concise. I have been castigated on here for remarking that some who post here and claim to be Christian, are hardly Christian. Well it is beyond me how anyone can be a Christian and yet deny the Word of God in scripture or from the mouth of Christ. A Christian should not shy from refuting those who water down the Word of God even if it does seem sometimes uncharitable to do so.
And whilst I'm as befuddled as ever, I would say that Clint's post stood out for me. Why? Because of its beautiful simplicity, honesty and, well, sense of humanness. It spoke volumes.
I agree. Clint is indeed a Christian with compassion and simplicity. If you are still befuddled, I urge you to pursue the teachings found in the Scriptures and the teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT be waylaid by the ideas and traditions of mankind. Jesus himself used the scriptures many times to make his points. never did he deny the Scriptures. His teachings were to the point, clear and concise. I have been castigated on here for remarking that some who post here and claim to be Christian, are hardly Christian. Well it is beyond me how anyone can be a Christian and yet deny the Word of God in scripture or from the mouth of Christ. A Christian should not shy from refuting those who water down the Word of God even if it does seem sometimes uncharitable to do so.
What is a Christian?
ldsguy and Frederick, you guys are being great ambassadors of the faith on this thread. Keep up up the good effort. The Lord is your strength.
A formula for tact: "Be brief politely, be aggressive smilingly, be emphatic pleasantly, be positive diplomatically, be right graciously".
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MicahLorain
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What is a Christian?
polycarp wrote: ldsguy and Frederick, you guys are being great ambassadors of the faith on this thread. Keep up up the good effort. The Lord is your strength.
the lord is your strength? that must mean they have no strength of their own. dependency and intellectual laziness are the result of extreme faith. i go to church every week and my pastor teaches gods strength lies inside of us, not something we kneel and bow to like sheeps. a christian knows this
the lord is your strength? that must mean they have no strength of their own. dependency and intellectual laziness are the result of extreme faith. i go to church every week and my pastor teaches gods strength lies inside of us, not something we kneel and bow to like sheeps. a christian knows this
What is a Christian?
MicahLorain wrote: the lord is your strength? that must mean they have no strength of their own. dependency and intellectual laziness are the result of extreme faith. i go to church every week and my pastor teaches gods strength lies inside of us, not something we kneel and bow to like sheeps. a christian knows thisOf course Christians have no strength of their own. Those for whom Christianity is the path to salvation but who have not accepted Christ are unrighteous. Those who have been saved in Christ - including you and your congregational brothers and sisters - have put on His righteousness, not their own. They are still sinners. They live to God by faith alone, through His freely-given grace without which their faith would be hollow and meaningless. Under the law, they died. They no longer live, now that they are saved, but Christ lives in them. The life they lead on earth they now lead by faith in the Son of God, who gave his own life on the cross for love of them, to redeem them from their bondage as His own. Don't set aside the grace of God - if you had the strength to live on your own merit, then Christ died for nothing. Have a read of Galatians 2, but there are many other passages to this effect. And if I get one mention of Satan quoting scriptures for his own ends, I shall be very disappointed.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What is a Christian?
koan wrote: I've heard you wax on about how Christianity is so underdogged. Have you considered that verbal criticism is better than having bombs dropped on you? Do you truly believe that Christianity is under the most attack in the modern world?
(avoid the argument about why bombs are being dropped) Nobody is called evil because they are a Christian. Misguided, maybe, but there are worse fates.
I offer you the following smilie:
Indeed, I agree yith you 100% in that respect that verbal criticism is far, far better than physical violence - none but a fanatic would disagree, but this is an open forum in which views are encouraged on all sides, including those who wish to defend their faith. I don't ram my religious beliefs down other people's throats, although I did make a public declaration of my faith once down by the Tower of London. On hindsight, I admit I don't know how much physical aggro other religions come in for, but I stand by what I say in respect that atheists and Christians alike tend to blame God for every ill that besets the world. All I do know, is it's taken me personally more than half a lifetime to find what I term as true salvation, and as a Christian I am happy to defend my faith. I no saint, but it is our fundamental belief that God accepts all of us as we are, warts and all. It is the firm conviction of every Christian that ALL will have to make an account of themselves on the day of judgement, and for thousands of people, that day is NOW. I personally feel I would be letting God down if I didn't defend my Christian faith.
(avoid the argument about why bombs are being dropped) Nobody is called evil because they are a Christian. Misguided, maybe, but there are worse fates.
I offer you the following smilie:
Indeed, I agree yith you 100% in that respect that verbal criticism is far, far better than physical violence - none but a fanatic would disagree, but this is an open forum in which views are encouraged on all sides, including those who wish to defend their faith. I don't ram my religious beliefs down other people's throats, although I did make a public declaration of my faith once down by the Tower of London. On hindsight, I admit I don't know how much physical aggro other religions come in for, but I stand by what I say in respect that atheists and Christians alike tend to blame God for every ill that besets the world. All I do know, is it's taken me personally more than half a lifetime to find what I term as true salvation, and as a Christian I am happy to defend my faith. I no saint, but it is our fundamental belief that God accepts all of us as we are, warts and all. It is the firm conviction of every Christian that ALL will have to make an account of themselves on the day of judgement, and for thousands of people, that day is NOW. I personally feel I would be letting God down if I didn't defend my Christian faith.
In HIM I place my trust.
What is a Christian?
Frederick wrote: Indeed, I agree yith you 100% in that respect that verbal criticism is far, far better than physical violence - none but a fanatic would disagreeCome now, Frederick, that's a very namby-pamby wet sort of Christianity you hold out for us, surely. What would Jesus do?
Charles Graner's trial revealed a paradoxical Christian, one who put a "What Would Jesus Do?" sticker on his truck.
Graner took issue with his portrayal in the court martial. "I've been bad mouthed about my religion, that I'm not a good Christian," he said.
Graner was quoted during his trial saying: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man [bodily voiding deleted] himself", having boasted in a letter home that beating Iraqi prisoners was a "good upper body work out but hard on the hands".
Charles Graner's trial revealed a paradoxical Christian, one who put a "What Would Jesus Do?" sticker on his truck.
Graner took issue with his portrayal in the court martial. "I've been bad mouthed about my religion, that I'm not a good Christian," he said.
Graner was quoted during his trial saying: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man [bodily voiding deleted] himself", having boasted in a letter home that beating Iraqi prisoners was a "good upper body work out but hard on the hands".
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot wrote:
Graner was quoted during his trial saying: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man [bodily voiding deleted] himself", having boasted in a letter home that beating Iraqi prisoners was a "good upper body work out but hard on the hands".
LOL!!!
On a serious note what we all think will not matter on judgement day. What will matter is GOD's judgement.
Lotto
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MagicZ4941A
Graner was quoted during his trial saying: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man [bodily voiding deleted] himself", having boasted in a letter home that beating Iraqi prisoners was a "good upper body work out but hard on the hands".
LOL!!!
On a serious note what we all think will not matter on judgement day. What will matter is GOD's judgement.
Lotto
http://tinyurl.com/ac72l
MagicZ4941A
What is a Christian?
spot wrote: Come now, Frederick, that's a very namby-pamby wet sort of Christianity you hold out for us, surely. What would Jesus do?
Charles Graner's trial revealed a paradoxical Christian, one who put a "What Would Jesus Do?" sticker on his truck.
Graner took issue with his portrayal in the court martial. "I've been bad mouthed about my religion, that I'm not a good Christian," he said.
Graner was quoted during his trial saying: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man [bodily voiding deleted] himself", having boasted in a letter home that beating Iraqi prisoners was a "good upper body work out but hard on the hands".
What would you have me do, charge through the streets singing Onward Christian Soldiers, knife in one hand, Bible in the other?! "Let me sock it to you, in the name of the Lord!"
Charles Graner's trial revealed a paradoxical Christian, one who put a "What Would Jesus Do?" sticker on his truck.
Graner took issue with his portrayal in the court martial. "I've been bad mouthed about my religion, that I'm not a good Christian," he said.
Graner was quoted during his trial saying: "The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says I love to make a grown man [bodily voiding deleted] himself", having boasted in a letter home that beating Iraqi prisoners was a "good upper body work out but hard on the hands".
What would you have me do, charge through the streets singing Onward Christian Soldiers, knife in one hand, Bible in the other?! "Let me sock it to you, in the name of the Lord!"
In HIM I place my trust.
What is a Christian?
Frederick wrote: What would you have me do, charge through the streets singing Onward Christian Soldiers, knife in one hand, Bible in the other?! "Let me sock it to you, in the name of the Lord!"It's an arresting image, it has potential. Traditionally, it should be a sword, but we'll not quibble.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What is a Christian?
spot wrote: Of course Christians have no strength of their own. Those for whom Christianity is the path to salvation but who have not accepted Christ are unrighteous. Those who have been saved in Christ - including you and your congregational brothers and sisters - have put on His righteousness, not their own. They are still sinners. They live to God by faith alone, through His freely-given grace without which their faith would be hollow and meaningless. Under the law, they died. They no longer live, now that they are saved, but Christ lives in them. The life they lead on earth they now lead by faith in the Son of God, who gave his own life on the cross for love of them, to redeem them from their bondage as His own. Don't set aside the grace of God - if you had the strength to live on your own merit, then Christ died for nothing. Have a read of Galatians 2, but there are many other passages to this effect. And if I get one mention of Satan quoting scriptures for his own ends, I shall be very disappointed.
Hey Spot, despite the seemigly teasing element embedded in your post, christianity happens to be so. I admire your sound knowlede of the faith. You'll sure make a good preacher. Ever thought of being a missionary?
Hey Spot, despite the seemigly teasing element embedded in your post, christianity happens to be so. I admire your sound knowlede of the faith. You'll sure make a good preacher. Ever thought of being a missionary?
A formula for tact: "Be brief politely, be aggressive smilingly, be emphatic pleasantly, be positive diplomatically, be right graciously".
What is a Christian?
Then those of us who say we are christians, need to start acting more Christ like! He didnt wear a nametag.......His works proclaimed to world who he was! Instead of talking we need to get busy doing!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
What is a Christian?
Raven wrote: Then those of us who say we are christians, need to start acting more Christ like! He didnt wear a nametag.......His works proclaimed to world who he was! Instead of talking we need to get busy doing!Well, Glory be! Raven, if you ever find me rabidly savaging your leg in the future, remind me that I approve of your bravery.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
What is a Christian?
What I have read is one interpretation of Christianity but certainly not the only interpretation. One interesting point is that only 20% of the words in the Bible attributed to Jesus can actually be traced backt to the hisorical Jesus. The other 80% are words the evangelists put into Jesus mouth. this was not considered wrong in ancient days. The evangelists in their excitement simply wrote down what the early church had come to believe about Yeshua of Nazareth.
The style of ancient Jewish writing is known as midrash and it is also a style of interpretation. Both make great use of metaphors.
A Christian Pluralist
Shalom
Ted:-6
The style of ancient Jewish writing is known as midrash and it is also a style of interpretation. Both make great use of metaphors.
A Christian Pluralist
Shalom
Ted:-6
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olaide oredope
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What is a Christian?
A christian is someone who has given his life to Christ and has accepted Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour. Being a christian is living a Christ like life according to the word of God in the Holy Bible and the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. It is a life of faith.
What is a Christian?
Being a Christian is to live in a growing, developing, transforming relationship with the risen Christ..
Shalom
Ted:-6
Shalom
Ted:-6
What is a Christian?
OR]A modern Christian follows the example of the radical Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus took the side of the dispossessed, the marginalised, the victimised, the fall-guys, those rejected by institutions.
See how he was angry in the forecourt of the Temple. See how he sought the company of prostitutes, unpopular people, working-class fishermen, lepers -- all ignored by the religious institutions of his time.
Go and do thou likewise.
Jesus took the side of the dispossessed, the marginalised, the victimised, the fall-guys, those rejected by institutions.
See how he was angry in the forecourt of the Temple. See how he sought the company of prostitutes, unpopular people, working-class fishermen, lepers -- all ignored by the religious institutions of his time.
Go and do thou likewise.
What is a Christian?
gimli3:-6
Excellent post. I couldn't have put it better myself. Well done.
BTW I do.
Shalom
Ted:-6
Excellent post. I couldn't have put it better myself. Well done.
BTW I do.
Shalom
Ted:-6
What is a Christian?
gimli3 wrote: OR]A modern Christian follows the example of the radical Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus took the side of the dispossessed, the marginalised, the victimised, the fall-guys, those rejected by institutions.
See how he was angry in the forecourt of the Temple. See how he sought the company of prostitutes, unpopular people, working-class fishermen, lepers -- all ignored by the religious institutions of his time.
Go and do thou likewise.
And they were ALL of them jewish. He went to the brethren first. THEN when THEY rejected their messiah, he came to the rest of us. Thus fulfilling the scripture of reconcilling the world to God.
Jesus took the side of the dispossessed, the marginalised, the victimised, the fall-guys, those rejected by institutions.
See how he was angry in the forecourt of the Temple. See how he sought the company of prostitutes, unpopular people, working-class fishermen, lepers -- all ignored by the religious institutions of his time.
Go and do thou likewise.
And they were ALL of them jewish. He went to the brethren first. THEN when THEY rejected their messiah, he came to the rest of us. Thus fulfilling the scripture of reconcilling the world to God.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
What is a Christian?
Ted wrote: gimli3:-6
Excellent post. I couldn't have put it better myself. Well done.
BTW I do.
Shalom
Ted:-6
By the way Ted.......what is a christian pluralist anyway? Does that mean you believe in lots of Gods?
Excellent post. I couldn't have put it better myself. Well done.
BTW I do.
Shalom
Ted:-6
By the way Ted.......what is a christian pluralist anyway? Does that mean you believe in lots of Gods?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
What is a Christian?
Raven:-6
There is only one God. I am sure you would agree with that.
A Christian Pluralist is one who first and foremost is a Christian. But in addition to that s/he recognized the validity to be found in all of the great faiths of the world. I recognize that the Holy Spirit has visited all folks and shared with them the message of God as they could best understand given their culture, history etc..
Some would say that I can't be a Christian and accept what I have said above. However, after many years of study, prayer,, meditation, discussion etc. I believe that God has led me to this point.
I live in a developing, transforming relationship with the Risen Lord..
Shalom
Ted:-6
There is only one God. I am sure you would agree with that.
A Christian Pluralist is one who first and foremost is a Christian. But in addition to that s/he recognized the validity to be found in all of the great faiths of the world. I recognize that the Holy Spirit has visited all folks and shared with them the message of God as they could best understand given their culture, history etc..
Some would say that I can't be a Christian and accept what I have said above. However, after many years of study, prayer,, meditation, discussion etc. I believe that God has led me to this point.
I live in a developing, transforming relationship with the Risen Lord..
Shalom
Ted:-6
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nvalleyvee
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What is a Christian?
Ted wrote: Raven:-6
There is only one God. I am sure you would agree with that.
A Christian Pluralist is one who first and foremost is a Christian. But in addition to that s/he recognized the validity to be found in all of the great faiths of the world. I recognize that the Holy Spirit has visited all folks and shared with them the message of God as they could best understand given their culture, history etc..
Some would say that I can't be a Christian and accept what I have said above. However, after many years of study, prayer,, meditation, discussion etc. I believe that God has led me to this point.
I live in a developing, transforming relationship with the Risen Lord..
Shalom
Ted:-6
I am following you around because I believe the same and have never found someone of the same belief. I doubt a risen Lord but I am very interested in your way of getting there. I have studied many religions and came to the belief we are of the same diety belief - just said and expressed according to the religion of the country.
There is only one God. I am sure you would agree with that.
A Christian Pluralist is one who first and foremost is a Christian. But in addition to that s/he recognized the validity to be found in all of the great faiths of the world. I recognize that the Holy Spirit has visited all folks and shared with them the message of God as they could best understand given their culture, history etc..
Some would say that I can't be a Christian and accept what I have said above. However, after many years of study, prayer,, meditation, discussion etc. I believe that God has led me to this point.
I live in a developing, transforming relationship with the Risen Lord..
Shalom
Ted:-6
I am following you around because I believe the same and have never found someone of the same belief. I doubt a risen Lord but I am very interested in your way of getting there. I have studied many religions and came to the belief we are of the same diety belief - just said and expressed according to the religion of the country.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper