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Neither of those jokers could one-up. One needs to contribute to at least a minor extent to have the credibility to one-up, it's in a surprising paragraph by Stephen Potter which makes the statement authoritative.

What's happened is typical of threads that either of them trash. Their enjoyment in breaking things outweighs in their eyes the interest anyone else might be having from the discussion. I'm frankly quite sick of their behaviour.
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spot;841607 wrote: Neither of those jokers could one-up. One needs to contribute to at least a minor extent to have the credibility to one-up, it's in a surprising paragraph by Stephen Potter which makes the statement authoritative.

What's happened is typical of threads that either of them trash. Their enjoyment in breaking things outweighs in their eyes the interest anyone else might be having from the discussion. I'm frankly quite sick of their behaviour.


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I was carefully brought up to it, just as I was trained from an early age to despise as abhorrent all unproductive mockery of seriously intended comment. Satire is a fine thing but it has nothing at all to do with your constant wrecking of discussions.
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spot;841611 wrote: I was carefully brought up to it, just as I was trained from an early age to despise as abhorrent all unproductive mockery of seriously intended comment. Satire is a fine thing but it has nothing at all to do with your constant wrecking of discussions.


Over here you would be one of those yuppie snots who wear suits, drive BMW's and stand around in yuppie bars bragging to their yuppie friends about their investment portfolio and their net worth.
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Bruv;841617 wrote: Bruv walks away.........in saddened silence


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rjwould;841612 wrote: You need to look in the mirror there, Spot. The only difference between you and me is style, my oneuppedfriend.Only a fool could delude himself to that extent. Only a fool, come to that, could fail to realize that I'm still being entirely serious. You give far less than you take, and what you take is irreplaceable. It would help considerably if you would just go to a quiet room for a while and consider whether you're wrong. I have given you every benefit of the doubt, every latitude, every degree of tolerance on the ground that you obviously think you're worthwhile and a benefit to the community. You are, and I tell you this for no other reason than that you need to know I think it, a thread wrecker. I don't like what you do and I'd be grateful if you stopped doing it. This isn't the first time we've had this conversation either.
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hoppy;841616 wrote: Over here you would be one of those yuppie snots who wear suits, drive BMW's and stand around in yuppie bars bragging to their yuppie friends about their investment portfolio and their net worth.


I'm grateful for the observation. It will have those members who've met me laughing in stitches and gives an indication of how far out of touch with reality you've drifted.
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spot;841623 wrote: I'm grateful for the observation. It will have those members who've met me laughing in stitches and gives an indication of how far out of touch with reality you've drifted.


Some of you brits like to discuss incidents that happen in the USA, point your fingers and make your snide remarks. A bit of that is fine. Some of you like it too much. When it's given back, you yell "foul". I don't give a rat's a** how intelligent you try to sound, your attitude gives you away.
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The officer in Fresno was well within his "right" to shoot to kill. If a person with a carry permit was hit in the back of the head it would be within his "right" to shoot to kill also.

It is not the gun that kills.

If a criminal breaks into your house you have the right to kill them.

It is much better than a judge and jury and more efficient.
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rjwould;841638 wrote: Thats exactly the point, Spot. You are serious with your backhanded cheap shots like referring to adults as "lads" or "boys". You are serious with your pompous attitude towards those not like you. It seems to me that the only thing irreplaceable to you, Spot, is you. I don't see you jumping into threads and correcting members who post jokes in the middle of serious topics and exchanges. And what do I take, Spot? Clarify that if you will, but I doubt you will.If that referring to adults as "lads" or "boys" is a comment on the one instance of "dear boy" in this thread that's a frequently used expression in England. Perhaps it fails to translate easily. It carries no rancour, it brings an element of conversational equivalence to a written post.

As to what you take, that's the heart of my criticism. A thread reaches a point, early or late, where the participants are capable of improving their understanding both of each other's position and of their own. When you deliberately wreck the thread you take that path away from them. That path is irreplaceable and I see it as far more valuable than your excitement at junking the potential of what was there. I wouldn't post on FG if I didn't regard the time as well-spent learning. The idea that you can sit there behaving this way because your limited knowledge of one-upmanship gives you a buzz is pitiable perhaps, but at the same time the lost opportunities are annoying. Once they're gone they don't return and the only thing that's destroyed their potential, where you've been involved, is you. Sadly you just haven't heard the words and understood their truth so far, something's missing in your capacity for introspection.
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hoppy;841641 wrote: I don't give a rat's a** how intelligent you try to sound, your attitude gives you away.But don't you understand that the picture you've painted of me is just plain manifestly inaccurate, and dozens of people on the site have met me and know how laughable it is? Me in a yuppie suit, driving a BMW and standing around bragging about my investment portfolio? I don't even own a car, status symbols are not my strong point at all and the words "investment portfolio" have never passed my lips, not even when I was coding for the Big Bang.
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spot;841662 wrote: But don't you understand that the picture you've painted of me is just plain manifestly inaccurate, and dozens of people on the site have met me and know how laughable it is? Me in a yuppie suit, driving a BMW and standing around bragging about my investment portfolio? I don't even own a car, status symbols are not my strong point at all and the words "investment portfolio" have never passed my lips, not even when I was coding for the Big Bang.


You are the one not understanding. I believe I said "over here" as opposed to "over there". Work on your reading comprehension skills.
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hoppy;841666 wrote: You are the one not understanding. I believe I said "over here" as opposed to "over there". Work on your reading comprehension skills.
So... let's get this right... that wasn't a word-picture of me?

Who was it a word-picture of?
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rjwould;841680 wrote: Spot, I think you're tombstone because you seem to think that you have the authority to continue to attempt to chase people away.Oh, it's true! True, I tell you! Oh the shame of it. Yes, I'm Tombstone. Oh, the ignominy, I'll never recover from this. Perhaps I invented that account just to disguise the dreadful secret that this is a UK website after all?

Is impersonating a Dubiously Existent American Webmaster a criminal offence anywhere?
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Jester;841700 wrote: Poverty or death? Hmmm at least in poverty I have a chance to earn back what I lost... I'll take poverty over death.


That's the problem with mis-remembered apocryphal anecdote, it leaves no route to check the consequence of the alleged act.
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spot;841683 wrote: So... let's get this right... that wasn't a word-picture of me?

Who was it a word-picture of?


Yes, lets get it right. It's a word picture of someone who sounds like or comes across like you. Maybe not YOU specifically. I have other words pictures of YOU.
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rjwould;841724 wrote: Death is not a given if you don't own or use guns, but poverty is if you use one on a another human being.


It depends on where you live and other circumstances.
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What's to reply to? I saw no meaning in that post at all. You see things in terms of attack and counter-attack, I see things in terms of discussion. Your attacks and counter-attacks just get in the way of what the site's for. Do you really think there's a win and lose involved in any of this? It's alien to me. It's like a parody of fanatical parenting where if a kid goes home having lost he's not allowed to say he enjoyed taking part. On this side of the ocean we regard that as simply boorish.
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rjwould;841814 wrote: You are so full of crap its laughable! But this is what I expected of you, Mr Perfect....Sickening....Talk about jokers....you're number 1....

So what is it, Spot, are you going to keep throwing cheap shots or are you going to ask me to leave, or better yet, ban me.....Make up your mind and then STFU!!!


Pure textbook hysteria. I can't believe you had the effrontery to claim "the only difference between you and me is style". Aren't you the guy who started a "should I stay" poll and griped about moderator abuse the month you arrived, just to show how tough you were?

Get some sleep and we'll agree it never happened. Stop wrecking threads when other people are trying to understand each other, they matter more than whether you're massaging your unwarrantably inflated ego in public or not. Your limited perceptions aren't definitive norms to be swallowed like cure-all potions. Understanding real problems involves listening and weighing evidence, not repeatedly shouting irrelevant opinions about diversionary side-issues. I've said all this before, it's a pity you can't just open your ears and understand the issues involved. This isn't about you, it's about giving the members space to discuss what they want to discuss without being persistently told their chosen topics are delusional.
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Jester;841879 wrote: good, now can we get back to this threads original course...



what the heck was it about...respect!



thats it!



Now Spot, getting back to your last statement before this place went nuts...



If you got to create a new world you said there woudl be no LAW? is that right? how do you not have chaos without Law?



I mean if the officer involved had just been a citizen without prepared training in defending the other kids from this perp, then how does chaos not reign?



It seems to me then that without the law everybody would simply do what right in their own eyes. Doesn tthat lend itself to the biggest and strongest winning what they want when they want it? Sounds like gang city to me???
I agree with Spot that anarchy would be ideal, but it would have to be an ideal anarchy. As much trust in my fellow man as I have, I fall far short of believing that is remotely possible.
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Jester;841879 wrote: Now Spot, getting back to your last statement before this place went nuts...

If you got to create a new world you said there woudl be no LAW? is that right? how do you not have chaos without Law?

I mean if the officer involved had just been a citizen without prepared training in defending the other kids from this perp, then how does chaos not reign?

It seems to me then that without the law everybody would simply do what right in their own eyes. Doesn tthat lend itself to the biggest and strongest winning what they want when they want it? Sounds like gang city to me???


There's a book which forms a sensible background to the form of society I was thinking of when I said that, it's by Lewis Hyde, written in 1983 and called "The Gift: Imagination and the Erotic Life of Property". I can imagine such a society growing out of what we have at the moment and how it might get there. The process is entirely dependent on education.

The dangers of abandoning law are obvious. Outsiders who don't understand the society's philosophy can appear strange to those within it. A society based on a desire for improvement copes badly when faced with criminality, it tends to define criminality as madness on the basis of the understanding of the majority. Part of the education, I'm sure, has to be an exploration of a degree of tolerance which is rare in today's world.

The benefits, on the other hand, are immense compared to the dog-eat-dog grasping nature of current reward systems. I think it'll be tried sometime, somewhere. The main obstacle is people demanding that the entire world become identical consumers within the same huge capitalist infrastructure, a fate for the world that I'd find abhorrent if I thought for a minute it might come to pass.
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rjwould;841612 wrote: You need to look in the mirror there, Spot. The only difference between you and me is style, my oneuppedfriend.
rjwould;808073 wrote: That's due to our overindulgence in competition and warrior attitude, and the idea that everything is self healing in time..
rjwould;830582 wrote: Many times relationship turn into a game of one upsmanship. So competitive of us. I love competition....Don't you?
rjwould;833416 wrote: I think as a society we need to begin telling a new story. One with less good and evil as it's premise. Turning the conversation from one of strife and competition to understanding and cooperation.
rjwould;833478 wrote: Is there a US vs UK competition in the minds of people here? I hope not, that would be so disappointing.


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Jester;841913 wrote: It sounds like to me its close to what my home town is like, folks just do kind stuff and get along, its given to hospitaltiy and help. not to the dog eat dog type fo world your refering to. But that life of my homwetown is biblically based internal feelings that move outward, its very rare, becaseu there isnt enough folks that want to live that way outside of small areas like that.


But where does "an exploration of a degree of tolerance which is rare in today's world" fit into that home town, Jester? What you've described of it makes it sound the least tolerant place on earth. Anyone who worships false gods is scarcely going to get much acceptance - or am I reading my preconceptions into it? Am I wrong? Where does your immigrant Muslim enclave praying quietly every Friday fit into that sort of group? What happened to love your enemy, do good to those that abuse you? That's always struck me as the essential key aspect of Christianity and it seems totally absent from so many fundamentalist bible-literalist groupings like the one you're putting forward here. I agree I may be entirely wrong about it, I'd be pleased to discover I was.
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Jester;841931 wrote: You are taking my personal issues agaisnt the terrorists (group of muslums) and placing it into your ideology of fundamentalism. I dont tolerate terrorists, neither woudl my home town, but a peaceful man of anykind we'd welcome.Well, no, I'm taking your personal issues against Muslims in general though I'd hate to dredge through past posts and quote examples. Obviously you're aware that Muslims are capable of leading peaceful lives but that's scarcely stopped your bigotry on previous threads when discussing their general desire toward World Domination, their mistreatment of their Womenfolk, their detestable Legal Structures, their General Indolence and lack of Capitalist Enterprise. But if you really think a few families of peaceful Palestinian exiles could settle in your home town without causing friction I'm delighted to learn it.
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Jester;841932 wrote: Are you kidding, in all those situation it could go bad, the difference is that when force is necessary one delivers the right amount of force to deal with the situation, thats why its justified... and thats when its used properly. Using force properly is what makes it justifed and less liekyl to be penalied for it.



Besides, in the last situation I wanted both those idots to live through the beating I gave them to make sure every day of thier lives they had a painful reminder not to steal. I doutb the one guy will ever walk unaided again! Lessons learned the tough way hurt for a long time!
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Heh... that's Joe Don Baker. One of the best MST3K episodes was "Mitchell" ... a must see. :guitarist
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