I was wondering, as I do on frequent occasions when I should be doing something more productive, what would America look like if liberal politicians, and those Americans who agree with that philosophy, had total control and thus could implement any changes they saw fit (ah, perhaps 2009, do you think?).
My first answer was, France, America would look like France.
Ok, thought that is a bit more serious is in order.
Here is my first glance list:
Social Security will stay exactly as is or perhaps be “improved.
National health care will be a reality, think Medicare for all
Unions will grow rapidly with friendly laws behind them
Regulation of business and all related activities will abound
Global trade will be reduced as more protectionist policy is introduced (partly as the urging of large unions)
Programs to address poverty, education and other social issues are expanded (just like in the 60s)
Taxes will rise at all levels
Family and worker friendly laws affecting the workplace will expand
Americans will come to expect government solutions to a growing number of issues.
America will be more, not less dependent on foreign oil while alternative sources continue to be explored.
No comment on what is good or bad, I will leave that to you, but you should know that while I am not a right wing radical, I do have a somewhat conservative bent.
Before you give your ideas, keep a few things in mind:
the law of unintended consequences, everything is connected in one way or the other, and you have to pay for what you get¦eventually.
Have at it.
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Interesting post Quinn. I donno, I always thought that as one got older they become more conservative, but as I ripen, I find myself with liberal thoughts on things that once I held sancrosanct. Hey, and I'm a guy that went to the Barry Goldwater convention at the San Francisco Cow Palace and cheered him on and was within a hair of joining the "John Birch Society". In addition, I made my living before retirement as a dyed in the wool capitalist and champion of the Free Enterprise System. I have come to the conclusion however that if every American had my mindset we would not need any Social Programs at all. Problem is, not everyone thinks or acts like me and (I hate to say it) needs government crammed down their throats to provide for their welfare. I say this only from the standpoint of what would benefit ALL AMERICANS and not just those that can think for themselves. And, it's hurts like hell to say that.
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You know as someone who has spent some time in France, and in Paris, you could really do a lot worse than be like France, they have great food, hot women, an incredible health service, beautiful cities, fantastic infrastructure, most things work well and efficiently, they have some of the world's leading companies, and of course being French they also have that wonderful "je ne sais pas" abou life, (I think its that they have a lot of sex while reading Jean Paul Sartre to each other). Like I said, you could do a lot worse than adopt a more Gallic tone, you uncouth Anglo Saxons you. :wah:
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Luckily you do live in a country where liberal ideals are the norm so you all get to vote, have free speech, follow any religion and can stand up and say what you like and if you're not happy agitate and form political parties to get things done the way you want. If you don't like social welfare why don't you speak out against it -don't vote for it- instead of feeling sorry for yourself and pretending there's nothing you can do. Downside is people you don't agree with get to do the same and if there's enough opposition to what you want you don't get your own way. if enough want social welfare then they get their way. Isn't democracy wonderful.
No true liberal would just stand about complaining. -do something. Course not being a liberal maybe you don't have the get up and go:D
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You know as someone who has spent some time in France, and in Paris, you could really do a lot worse than be like France, they have great food, hot women, an incredible health service, beautiful cities, fantastic infrastructure, most things work well and efficiently, they have some of the world's leading companies, and of course being French they also have that wonderful "je ne sais pas" abou life, (I think its that they have a lot of sex while reading Jean Paul Sartre to each other). Like I said, you could do a lot worse than adopt a more Gallic tone, you uncouth Anglo Saxons you.
See these americans-we give them all these philosophical ideas like liberalism, free speech, democracy, capitalism, socialism all the other isms, we invent the motor car, show them how to crack oil so they have fuel, (forgive them for trying to pinch the patents) and railways so they can get about their vast continent, teach them how to industrialise, telephone and televison so they can talk to each other and keep themselves entertained, the french even invent the film industry for them the germans help them get in to space and are they happy? No they complain all the time, everybody hates them and they are going to take all their toys and stay at home.
Do you think we did them a disservice and should Europe have made them stand on their own two feet?:sneaky:
No true liberal would just stand about complaining. -do something. Course not being a liberal maybe you don't have the get up and go:D
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You know as someone who has spent some time in France, and in Paris, you could really do a lot worse than be like France, they have great food, hot women, an incredible health service, beautiful cities, fantastic infrastructure, most things work well and efficiently, they have some of the world's leading companies, and of course being French they also have that wonderful "je ne sais pas" abou life, (I think its that they have a lot of sex while reading Jean Paul Sartre to each other). Like I said, you could do a lot worse than adopt a more Gallic tone, you uncouth Anglo Saxons you.
See these americans-we give them all these philosophical ideas like liberalism, free speech, democracy, capitalism, socialism all the other isms, we invent the motor car, show them how to crack oil so they have fuel, (forgive them for trying to pinch the patents) and railways so they can get about their vast continent, teach them how to industrialise, telephone and televison so they can talk to each other and keep themselves entertained, the french even invent the film industry for them the germans help them get in to space and are they happy? No they complain all the time, everybody hates them and they are going to take all their toys and stay at home.
Do you think we did them a disservice and should Europe have made them stand on their own two feet?:sneaky:
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QUINNSCOMMENTARY;881906 wrote: No comment on what is good or bad, I will leave that to you, Yeh, you did a real good job at stating that completely neutrally. :yh_eyebro
gmc;881963 wrote:
No true liberal would just stand about complaining. -do something. Course not being a liberal maybe you don't have the get up and go:DAmerican libs are different from European libs. That's our saving grace. Most just sit around hollering about the services they deserve by virtue of not living within their means, so the gov't wheels turn more slowly than they would like.
gmc wrote: Do you think we did them a disservice and should Europe have made them stand on their own two feet?:sneaky:I like the way you use 'we.' I do that when talking about my San Antonio Spurs; we almost won the championship again. Thanks for golf ...... oh, and pleats.
gmc;881963 wrote:
No true liberal would just stand about complaining. -do something. Course not being a liberal maybe you don't have the get up and go:DAmerican libs are different from European libs. That's our saving grace. Most just sit around hollering about the services they deserve by virtue of not living within their means, so the gov't wheels turn more slowly than they would like.
gmc wrote: Do you think we did them a disservice and should Europe have made them stand on their own two feet?:sneaky:I like the way you use 'we.' I do that when talking about my San Antonio Spurs; we almost won the championship again. Thanks for golf ...... oh, and pleats.
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Lon;881911 wrote: Interesting post Quinn. I donno, I always thought that as one got older they become more conservative, but as I ripen, I find myself with liberal thoughts on things that once I held sancrosanct. Hey, and I'm a guy that went to the Barry Goldwater convention at the San Francisco Cow Palace and cheered him on and was within a hair of joining the "John Birch Society". In addition, I made my living before retirement as a dyed in the wool capitalist and champion of the Free Enterprise System. I have come to the conclusion however that if every American had my mindset we would not need any Social Programs at all. Problem is, not everyone thinks or acts like me and (I hate to say it) needs government crammed down their throats to provide for their welfare. I say this only from the standpoint of what would benefit ALL AMERICANS and not just those that can think for themselves. And, it's hurts like hell to say that.
I missed voting for Goldwater by two days (because I wasn't old enouhg to vote). You are right, not everyone thinks along the lines that they and not someone else has primary repsonsibility for them. Problem is we can't seem to differentiate between those who really truly need help from society and those (far more) who simply see that as an easier route to travel.
I missed voting for Goldwater by two days (because I wasn't old enouhg to vote). You are right, not everyone thinks along the lines that they and not someone else has primary repsonsibility for them. Problem is we can't seem to differentiate between those who really truly need help from society and those (far more) who simply see that as an easier route to travel.
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Jester;881929 wrote: Wow hand me a loaded gun why dont you...
Well, I think a lot of well intended social programs would develop, welfare rolls would grow, entitilements would expand with less accountability, projects would be given to those groups that cooperated instead of those groups that demonstrate they have a solution. Unreal proeblems will drive all programs (global warming) and real problems will continue to swell.
I see groups of low income havenots on the government entitlement programs coming to increased unrest at being unhappy with what they have been given as the money runs out... I see the middle class whos buying power is dwindled by having to pay the living of the have nots/refuse to worknots.
Universal healthcare will come to pass with the ability to take care of everybody in medicority at best, and the ultra rich, who have to bear the burden of both the middle class and the havenots/refuse to worknots... it will not cover everything, the solution will be to tax things that they well meaning socialist scientists think causes the increase in healthcare issues, like hoagie sandwiches for fat poeple.
The gevernment will be into mega reasearch which will be very invasive to personal privacy, oh they wont take an individual name dont worry, but they will have your number thats for sure!
We will become increasingly isolationistic as we dwindle every penny possible away form the military and into the vast entitelments and social programs that the liberals want and need to appease the lower to middle class in order to sustain their powerbase.
With the liberals comes the continued threat of alleged overpopulation, less indiginous americans are born, or killed by increasing approval of abortion, immigration will be expanded to make up for the dwindling indiginous population.
All sorts of deviant behavior will be condoned, and rewarded, and it will eventually and completely destroy our society. Freedom will be a long lost ideology, there will be mass integration of government and society. INstead of the US being a nation that stands alone as a world power we will eventually need to make deals which will reduce our soveringhty and we will meld more into a world government giving up our coveted constitution ans personal freedom for an invasive government bent on 'taking care of us' but really only giving us very little of what we could have been had we worked with pride in ourselves to earn it.
Opportunity would dwindle, freedoms would end, and the stifling government who controls each of us by the great and mighty conditional hondout will prevail. If we arent takEN over by another government or bombed when our military is weak for all the allEged atrocities we get accused of in the past we will eventually crash form with in as the havenots/refuse to worknots anarch over not getting enough of thier 'fair' share of free government assistance.
Perhaps a tad dramatic and pessimistic but conceptually in the direction I suspect.
Well, I think a lot of well intended social programs would develop, welfare rolls would grow, entitilements would expand with less accountability, projects would be given to those groups that cooperated instead of those groups that demonstrate they have a solution. Unreal proeblems will drive all programs (global warming) and real problems will continue to swell.
I see groups of low income havenots on the government entitlement programs coming to increased unrest at being unhappy with what they have been given as the money runs out... I see the middle class whos buying power is dwindled by having to pay the living of the have nots/refuse to worknots.
Universal healthcare will come to pass with the ability to take care of everybody in medicority at best, and the ultra rich, who have to bear the burden of both the middle class and the havenots/refuse to worknots... it will not cover everything, the solution will be to tax things that they well meaning socialist scientists think causes the increase in healthcare issues, like hoagie sandwiches for fat poeple.
The gevernment will be into mega reasearch which will be very invasive to personal privacy, oh they wont take an individual name dont worry, but they will have your number thats for sure!
We will become increasingly isolationistic as we dwindle every penny possible away form the military and into the vast entitelments and social programs that the liberals want and need to appease the lower to middle class in order to sustain their powerbase.
With the liberals comes the continued threat of alleged overpopulation, less indiginous americans are born, or killed by increasing approval of abortion, immigration will be expanded to make up for the dwindling indiginous population.
All sorts of deviant behavior will be condoned, and rewarded, and it will eventually and completely destroy our society. Freedom will be a long lost ideology, there will be mass integration of government and society. INstead of the US being a nation that stands alone as a world power we will eventually need to make deals which will reduce our soveringhty and we will meld more into a world government giving up our coveted constitution ans personal freedom for an invasive government bent on 'taking care of us' but really only giving us very little of what we could have been had we worked with pride in ourselves to earn it.
Opportunity would dwindle, freedoms would end, and the stifling government who controls each of us by the great and mighty conditional hondout will prevail. If we arent takEN over by another government or bombed when our military is weak for all the allEged atrocities we get accused of in the past we will eventually crash form with in as the havenots/refuse to worknots anarch over not getting enough of thier 'fair' share of free government assistance.
Perhaps a tad dramatic and pessimistic but conceptually in the direction I suspect.
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I like the way you use 'we.' I do that when talking about my San Antonio Spurs; we almost won the championship again. Thanks for golf ...... oh, and pleats.
Ah golf. How bored do you have to be to think hitting a ball in to holes in the ground is fun?
I like the way you use 'we.' I do that when talking about my San Antonio Spurs; we almost won the championship again. Thanks for golf ...... oh, and pleats.
Ah golf. How bored do you have to be to think hitting a ball in to holes in the ground is fun?
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Galbally;881935 wrote: You know as someone who has spent some time in France, and in Paris, you could really do a lot worse than be like France, they have great food, hot women, an incredible health service, beautiful cities, fantastic infrastructure, most things work well and efficiently, they have some of the world's leading companies, and of course being French they also have that wonderful "je ne sais pas" abou life, (I think its that they have a lot of sex while reading Jean Paul Sartre to each other). Like I said, you could do a lot worse than adopt a more Gallic tone, you uncouth Anglo Saxons you. :wah:
Wine, women and a song in the heart, not bad and you are right it could be worse.
On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Who is to say where the tradeoffs may be.
Wine, women and a song in the heart, not bad and you are right it could be worse.
On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Who is to say where the tradeoffs may be.
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QUINNSCOMMENTARY;881984 wrote: Wine, women and a song in the heart, not bad and you are right it could be worse.
On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Who is to say where the tradeoffs may be.
The population have probably got a better chance of making change happen than than you do in the states. The point about liberal democracy is that governments are elected and if people are not happy they don't elect them again.
A stagnant economy on the edge of recession massive property price collapse, high taxes and massive international debt, rising prices, a currency worth less than it was five years ago and still falling, disenfranchised immigrants-and disenfranchised native born as well from all accounts. You're not exactly in a position to be feeling smug about at the moment are you?
On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Who is to say where the tradeoffs may be.
The population have probably got a better chance of making change happen than than you do in the states. The point about liberal democracy is that governments are elected and if people are not happy they don't elect them again.
A stagnant economy on the edge of recession massive property price collapse, high taxes and massive international debt, rising prices, a currency worth less than it was five years ago and still falling, disenfranchised immigrants-and disenfranchised native born as well from all accounts. You're not exactly in a position to be feeling smug about at the moment are you?
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gmc;882014 wrote: A stagnant economy on the edge of recession massive property price collapse, high taxes and massive international debt, rising prices, a currency worth less than it was five years ago and still falling, disenfranchised immigrants-and disenfranchised native born as well from all accounts. You're not exactly in a position to be feeling smug about at the moment are you?
None of those claims are true except the recession, which is arguable. But you of all people should recognize that one can be smug no matter what the real position.
None of those claims are true except the recession, which is arguable. But you of all people should recognize that one can be smug no matter what the real position.
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QUINNSCOMMENTARY;881984 wrote: Wine, women and a song in the heart, not bad and you are right it could be worse.
On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Who is to say where the tradeoffs may be.
Sure, France has its problems, as does Ireland, but you shouldn't believe everything the media tells you about Europe, its a lot less economically stagnant than you might expect, and also just because there is officially a 35 hour week, that doesn't mean that everyone works 35 hours.
Though I think that France is over-regulated in certain areas, but then I would suggest that the US is under-regulated in too many areas, which is why citizens have such little protection from the vagaries of big capital (in germany, for example, a CEO on average earns 35 times the average wage of his workers, while in America its 238 times the salary of his workers, go figure out who has a vested interested in making sure employment rights remain irrelevant there eh?).
Apparently 8 million new jobs have been created in the EU over the past 3 years, thats not a bad record for a continent that is supposed (always) to be on its last legs. But anyway, vive le difference!
On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Who is to say where the tradeoffs may be.
Sure, France has its problems, as does Ireland, but you shouldn't believe everything the media tells you about Europe, its a lot less economically stagnant than you might expect, and also just because there is officially a 35 hour week, that doesn't mean that everyone works 35 hours.
Though I think that France is over-regulated in certain areas, but then I would suggest that the US is under-regulated in too many areas, which is why citizens have such little protection from the vagaries of big capital (in germany, for example, a CEO on average earns 35 times the average wage of his workers, while in America its 238 times the salary of his workers, go figure out who has a vested interested in making sure employment rights remain irrelevant there eh?).
Apparently 8 million new jobs have been created in the EU over the past 3 years, thats not a bad record for a continent that is supposed (always) to be on its last legs. But anyway, vive le difference!
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Social Security will stay exactly as is or perhaps be “improved.
National health care will be a reality, think Medicare for all Seems to me that the welfare reform we got came about during a liberal occupation. What have the conservatives actually done lately to help ween folks off their dependence on a subsidized life?
Unions will grow rapidly with friendly laws behind them I don't have any problem with unions so long as I don't have to belong to them.
Regulation of business and all related activities will abound We are already regulated to the point of loss
Global trade will be reduced as more protectionist policy is introduced (partly as the urging of large unions)I think that this would only occur when reelection plans come into play. This tends to be one of those 'beat the chest' issues that goes away faster then the polling booths.
Programs to address poverty, education and other social issues are expanded (just like in the 60s) I think we need to focus on programs to address our roads... can someone explain how it is that they can spend an entire summer tearing up a road and redoing it, then have to come back next year and do the same damned stretch of road? And we get to pay for it each time?Taxes will rise at all levels. It's all those road projects dude!:-2
Family and worker friendly laws affecting the workplace will expand
Americans will come to expect government solutions to a growing number of issues. I'm an old woman and trust me, this has never been different nor will it ever be, doesn't matter who is in charge. If it's not the huddled masses standing with their hand out, it is business. Either way, folks aren't expected to make it on their own.
America will be more, not less dependent on foreign oil while alternative sources continue to be explored. Not if we nationalize the oil companies like Christine Waters suggests. :wah:Take the profit out of the oil companies and folks start putting their money into transportation using alternative fuels, because that will be where the new profits will come from..
No comment on what is good or bad, I will leave that to you, but you should know that while I am not a right wing radical, I do have a somewhat conservative bent............................
Why are you so embarrassed to own up to your radical tendencies Quinn?... I'm such a fence sitter on most issues that i think I've developed hemmoroids...
Social Security will stay exactly as is or perhaps be “improved.
National health care will be a reality, think Medicare for all Seems to me that the welfare reform we got came about during a liberal occupation. What have the conservatives actually done lately to help ween folks off their dependence on a subsidized life?
Unions will grow rapidly with friendly laws behind them I don't have any problem with unions so long as I don't have to belong to them.
Regulation of business and all related activities will abound We are already regulated to the point of loss
Global trade will be reduced as more protectionist policy is introduced (partly as the urging of large unions)I think that this would only occur when reelection plans come into play. This tends to be one of those 'beat the chest' issues that goes away faster then the polling booths.
Programs to address poverty, education and other social issues are expanded (just like in the 60s) I think we need to focus on programs to address our roads... can someone explain how it is that they can spend an entire summer tearing up a road and redoing it, then have to come back next year and do the same damned stretch of road? And we get to pay for it each time?Taxes will rise at all levels. It's all those road projects dude!:-2
Family and worker friendly laws affecting the workplace will expand
Americans will come to expect government solutions to a growing number of issues. I'm an old woman and trust me, this has never been different nor will it ever be, doesn't matter who is in charge. If it's not the huddled masses standing with their hand out, it is business. Either way, folks aren't expected to make it on their own.
America will be more, not less dependent on foreign oil while alternative sources continue to be explored. Not if we nationalize the oil companies like Christine Waters suggests. :wah:Take the profit out of the oil companies and folks start putting their money into transportation using alternative fuels, because that will be where the new profits will come from..
No comment on what is good or bad, I will leave that to you, but you should know that while I am not a right wing radical, I do have a somewhat conservative bent............................
Why are you so embarrassed to own up to your radical tendencies Quinn?... I'm such a fence sitter on most issues that i think I've developed hemmoroids...
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
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Accountable;882021 wrote: None of those claims are true except the recession, which is arguable. But you of all people should recognize that one can be smug no matter what the real position.
At least you didn't take offence-maybe you're learning to spot when someone is teasing, taking the ****, pulling your plonker, taking the mick.
never noticed
Regulation of business and all related activities will abound
Global trade will be reduced as more protectionist policy is introduced (partly as the urging of large unions)
That is most definitely not a liberal policy-free trade is. (liberal-free get the connection) What you're talking about is mercantilism which is what conservative governments tend to do usually to try and help their cronies that own the businesses that can't compete, now who has been doing that lately?
No wonder the US is so screwed you don't even know what it is you are arguing about-and i looked it up, the definition of liberal hasn't changed in American dictionaries so what is happening to the language of political debate? Don't you teach economics and that kind of stuff in the schools?
Clearly quinn like jester is a closet liberal but just don't realise you're in a cupboard having been brainwashed in to thinking it's a bad thing to believe in individual freedom and liberty and free market economics.
What is more likely is that world trade will boom but the US economy will go in to decline as it adopt protectionist policies convinced foreigners don't buy american goods well just cos they're american and unemployment grows. The more astute realise that foreign country isn't a town in the next state but nobody listens to them.
The resulting social breakdown will lead to a christian fundamentalist regime as religious extremists gain ground in an atmosphere where democracy is seen to have failed the american people. Laughing at religion becomes a criminal offence and a new reality genre of public floggings becomes all the rage.
Continuing use of hormones in cattle and chickens at the behest of the powerful farming lobby results in the growing sterility of the male population ( I've seenthe handmaids tale and the postman you predict all this yourselves) ) this is seen as an act of god but is paradoxically blamed on the environmentalists who are deemed to be witches and agents of the devil for having predicted it. Canada and Mexico put up barriers to try and stem the influx of people fleeing the states-most of them on foot since all the oil ran out as driving oversized cars with ridiculously high fuel consumption became the norm and anyone in a foreign car that could do more than ten miles to the gallon was seen as unpatriotic. all foreign manufacturers close production throwing thousands out of work adding to the turmoil.
Crikey and you think we've got problems.
So galbally. Which part of ireland do the O'Bama's come from?
At least you didn't take offence-maybe you're learning to spot when someone is teasing, taking the ****, pulling your plonker, taking the mick.
never noticed
Regulation of business and all related activities will abound
Global trade will be reduced as more protectionist policy is introduced (partly as the urging of large unions)
That is most definitely not a liberal policy-free trade is. (liberal-free get the connection) What you're talking about is mercantilism which is what conservative governments tend to do usually to try and help their cronies that own the businesses that can't compete, now who has been doing that lately?
No wonder the US is so screwed you don't even know what it is you are arguing about-and i looked it up, the definition of liberal hasn't changed in American dictionaries so what is happening to the language of political debate? Don't you teach economics and that kind of stuff in the schools?
Clearly quinn like jester is a closet liberal but just don't realise you're in a cupboard having been brainwashed in to thinking it's a bad thing to believe in individual freedom and liberty and free market economics.
What is more likely is that world trade will boom but the US economy will go in to decline as it adopt protectionist policies convinced foreigners don't buy american goods well just cos they're american and unemployment grows. The more astute realise that foreign country isn't a town in the next state but nobody listens to them.
The resulting social breakdown will lead to a christian fundamentalist regime as religious extremists gain ground in an atmosphere where democracy is seen to have failed the american people. Laughing at religion becomes a criminal offence and a new reality genre of public floggings becomes all the rage.
Continuing use of hormones in cattle and chickens at the behest of the powerful farming lobby results in the growing sterility of the male population ( I've seenthe handmaids tale and the postman you predict all this yourselves) ) this is seen as an act of god but is paradoxically blamed on the environmentalists who are deemed to be witches and agents of the devil for having predicted it. Canada and Mexico put up barriers to try and stem the influx of people fleeing the states-most of them on foot since all the oil ran out as driving oversized cars with ridiculously high fuel consumption became the norm and anyone in a foreign car that could do more than ten miles to the gallon was seen as unpatriotic. all foreign manufacturers close production throwing thousands out of work adding to the turmoil.
Crikey and you think we've got problems.
So galbally. Which part of ireland do the O'Bama's come from?
What would America be like if...
gmc;882256 wrote: So galbally. Which part of ireland do the O'Bama's come from?
Begod, that chap is from Letterkenny, shure wasn't the "Boiler" Hanrahan only after telling me that the other day. Grand fella twas auld Mr Obama, he ran the pet shop, corse in those day's the only pets people could afford were stones, with faces painted on them. But it was a brisk trade, ara shure now, young Obama, he'll be over no doubt to the auld sod to say hello to his kin when he gets the big nod from the lads in Washington.
Begod, that chap is from Letterkenny, shure wasn't the "Boiler" Hanrahan only after telling me that the other day. Grand fella twas auld Mr Obama, he ran the pet shop, corse in those day's the only pets people could afford were stones, with faces painted on them. But it was a brisk trade, ara shure now, young Obama, he'll be over no doubt to the auld sod to say hello to his kin when he gets the big nod from the lads in Washington.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
What would America be like if...
Actually, I have a feeling that once the mood towards social, economic, and particularly environmental change kicks in over the States, things will move a lot quicker than people realize, based on free market economics, if the current way of life becomes that unaffordable, people will unsentimentally ditch it and try something more practical. That's what has happened in the past. And I would certainly never write off the United States either politically or economically, as you usually underestimate that nation and the ability of its people to effect change in many areas at your peril.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
What would America be like if...
QUINNSCOMMENTARY;881984 wrote: On the other hand, a stagnant economy, a 35 hour work week that lowers productivity and competitiveness, overly powerful unions, disenfranchised immirgrants and high taxes to support a social agenda. And a population that a year ago voted for "Change"
Taking your points in order:-
The European economy isn't stagnant
Even with your 35 hour week, we outperform you,
the unions aren't "overly powerful" (that bitch Thatcher saw to that),
The US doesn't have disenfranchised immigrant?????????????
What, exactly is wrong with a social agenda
"Change" is natural. By the way, which population voted for change?
Taking your points in order:-
The European economy isn't stagnant
Even with your 35 hour week, we outperform you,
the unions aren't "overly powerful" (that bitch Thatcher saw to that),
The US doesn't have disenfranchised immigrant?????????????
What, exactly is wrong with a social agenda
"Change" is natural. By the way, which population voted for change?
An ye harm none, do what ye will....
What would America be like if...
Lon;881911 wrote: Interesting post Quinn. I donno, I always thought that as one got older they become more conservative, but as I ripen, I find myself with liberal thoughts on things that once I held sancrosanct. Hey, and I'm a guy that went to the Barry Goldwater convention at the San Francisco Cow Palace and cheered him on and was within a hair of joining the "John Birch Society". In addition, I made my living before retirement as a dyed in the wool capitalist and champion of the Free Enterprise System. I have come to the conclusion however that if every American had my mindset we would not need any Social Programs at all. Problem is, not everyone thinks or acts like me and (I hate to say it) needs government crammed down their throats to provide for their welfare. I say this only from the standpoint of what would benefit ALL AMERICANS and not just those that can think for themselves. And, it's hurts like hell to say that.
Lon..............What hurts like Hell to say???????
You did not say nuttin what so ever!!!!!!!
Or did you?
Correct me if I am wrong!
Lon..............What hurts like Hell to say???????
You did not say nuttin what so ever!!!!!!!
Or did you?
Correct me if I am wrong!
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
What would America be like if...
Jester;881929 wrote: Wow hand me a loaded gun why dont you...
Well, I think a lot of well intended social programs would develop, welfare rolls would grow, entitilements would expand with less accountability, projects would be given to those groups that cooperated instead of those groups that demonstrate they have a solution. Unreal proeblems will drive all programs (global warming) and real problems will continue to swell.
I see groups of low income havenots on the government entitlement programs coming to increased unrest at being unhappy with what they have been given as the money runs out... I see the middle class whos buying power is dwindled by having to pay the living of the have nots/refuse to worknots.
Universal healthcare will come to pass with the ability to take care of everybody in medicority at best, and the ultra rich, who have to bear the burden of both the middle class and the havenots/refuse to worknots... it will not cover everything, the solution will be to tax things that they well meaning socialist scientists think causes the increase in healthcare issues, like hoagie sandwiches for fat poeple.
The gevernment will be into mega reasearch which will be very invasive to personal privacy, oh they wont take an individual name dont worry, but they will have your number thats for sure!
We will become increasingly isolationistic as we dwindle every penny possible away form the military and into the vast entitelments and social programs that the liberals want and need to appease the lower to middle class in order to sustain their powerbase.
With the liberals comes the continued threat of alleged overpopulation, less indiginous americans are born, or killed by increasing approval of abortion, immigration will be expanded to make up for the dwindling indiginous population.
All sorts of deviant behavior will be condoned, and rewarded, and it will eventually and completely destroy our society. Freedom will be a long lost ideology, there will be mass integration of government and society. INstead of the US being a nation that stands alone as a world power we will eventually need to make deals which will reduce our soveringhty and we will meld more into a world government giving up our coveted constitution ans personal freedom for an invasive government bent on 'taking care of us' but really only giving us very little of what we could have been had we worked with pride in ourselves to earn it.
Opportunity would dwindle, freedoms would end, and the stifling government who controls each of us by the great and mighty conditional hondout will prevail. If we arent takEN over by another government or bombed when our military is weak for all the allEged atrocities we get accused of in the past we will eventually crash form with in as the havenots/refuse to worknots anarch over not getting enough of thier 'fair' share of free government assistance.
Thanx............Jes................ USA 2009 has come into view................
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I think a lot of well intended social programs would develop, welfare rolls would grow, entitilements would expand with less accountability, projects would be given to those groups that cooperated instead of those groups that demonstrate they have a solution. Unreal proeblems will drive all programs (global warming) and real problems will continue to swell.
I see groups of low income havenots on the government entitlement programs coming to increased unrest at being unhappy with what they have been given as the money runs out... I see the middle class whos buying power is dwindled by having to pay the living of the have nots/refuse to worknots.
Universal healthcare will come to pass with the ability to take care of everybody in medicority at best, and the ultra rich, who have to bear the burden of both the middle class and the havenots/refuse to worknots... it will not cover everything, the solution will be to tax things that they well meaning socialist scientists think causes the increase in healthcare issues, like hoagie sandwiches for fat poeple.
The gevernment will be into mega reasearch which will be very invasive to personal privacy, oh they wont take an individual name dont worry, but they will have your number thats for sure!
We will become increasingly isolationistic as we dwindle every penny possible away form the military and into the vast entitelments and social programs that the liberals want and need to appease the lower to middle class in order to sustain their powerbase.
With the liberals comes the continued threat of alleged overpopulation, less indiginous americans are born, or killed by increasing approval of abortion, immigration will be expanded to make up for the dwindling indiginous population.
All sorts of deviant behavior will be condoned, and rewarded, and it will eventually and completely destroy our society. Freedom will be a long lost ideology, there will be mass integration of government and society. INstead of the US being a nation that stands alone as a world power we will eventually need to make deals which will reduce our soveringhty and we will meld more into a world government giving up our coveted constitution ans personal freedom for an invasive government bent on 'taking care of us' but really only giving us very little of what we could have been had we worked with pride in ourselves to earn it.
Opportunity would dwindle, freedoms would end, and the stifling government who controls each of us by the great and mighty conditional hondout will prevail. If we arent takEN over by another government or bombed when our military is weak for all the allEged atrocities we get accused of in the past we will eventually crash form with in as the havenots/refuse to worknots anarch over not getting enough of thier 'fair' share of free government assistance.
Thanx............Jes................ USA 2009 has come into view................
OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
What would America be like if...
gmc;881963 wrote: Luckily you do live in a country where liberal ideals are the norm so you all get to vote, have free speech, follow any religion and can stand up and say what you like and if you're not happy agitate and form political parties to get things done the way you want. If you don't like social welfare why don't you speak out against it -don't vote for it- instead of feeling sorry for yourself and pretending there's nothing you can do. Downside is people you don't agree with get to do the same and if there's enough opposition to what you want you don't get your own way. if enough want social welfare then they get their way. Isn't democracy wonderful.
No true liberal would just stand about complaining. -do something. Course not being a liberal maybe you don't have the get up and go:D
posted by galbally
See these americans-we give them all these philosophical ideas like liberalism, free speech, democracy, capitalism, socialism all the other isms, we invent the motor car, show them how to crack oil so they have fuel, (forgive them for trying to pinch the patents) and railways so they can get about their vast continent, teach them how to industrialise, telephone and televison so they can talk to each other and keep themselves entertained, the french even invent the film industry for them the germans help them get in to space and are they happy? No they complain all the time, everybody hates them and they are going to take all their toys and stay at home.
Do you think we did them a disservice and should Europe have made them stand on their own two feet?:sneaky:
You sorry SOB gmc.............
Yah all your supposed crap above...... but the fact is...... we kicked the (your) Bloody Britishers ass's until we we were a FREE REPUBLIC.......................And free from YOUR God-amned suppressions.........
NANNY NANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh.........Yah ..........we stayed at home until the japs attacked Pearl Harbor...........
Then we saved your Bloody Ass's.........AGAIN!!!!!!
Oh Yah WW1 we was there to to bail your sorry ass's out too.....Lost a GREAT Uncle there.....Almost forgot!!!!!!........
So go watch your french movies and leave us all the HELL along............K?????
No true liberal would just stand about complaining. -do something. Course not being a liberal maybe you don't have the get up and go:D
posted by galbally
See these americans-we give them all these philosophical ideas like liberalism, free speech, democracy, capitalism, socialism all the other isms, we invent the motor car, show them how to crack oil so they have fuel, (forgive them for trying to pinch the patents) and railways so they can get about their vast continent, teach them how to industrialise, telephone and televison so they can talk to each other and keep themselves entertained, the french even invent the film industry for them the germans help them get in to space and are they happy? No they complain all the time, everybody hates them and they are going to take all their toys and stay at home.
Do you think we did them a disservice and should Europe have made them stand on their own two feet?:sneaky:
You sorry SOB gmc.............
Yah all your supposed crap above...... but the fact is...... we kicked the (your) Bloody Britishers ass's until we we were a FREE REPUBLIC.......................And free from YOUR God-amned suppressions.........
NANNY NANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh.........Yah ..........we stayed at home until the japs attacked Pearl Harbor...........
Then we saved your Bloody Ass's.........AGAIN!!!!!!
Oh Yah WW1 we was there to to bail your sorry ass's out too.....Lost a GREAT Uncle there.....Almost forgot!!!!!!........
So go watch your french movies and leave us all the HELL along............K?????
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
What would America be like if...
BTS;882630 wrote: You sorry SOB gmc.............
Yah all your supposed crap above...... but the fact is...... we kicked the (your) Bloody Britishers ass's until we we were a FREE REPUBLIC.......................And free from YOUR God-amned suppressions.........
NANNY NANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh.........Yah ..........we stayed at home until the japs attacked Pearl Harbor...........
Then we saved your Bloody Ass's.........AGAIN!!!!!!
Oh Yah WW1 we was there to to bail your sorry ass's out too.....Lost a GREAT Uncle there.....Almost forgot!!!!!!........
So go watch your french movies and leave us all the HELL along............K?????
:yh_rotfl:yh_hugs
Don't let that inferiority complex get you down.
posted by galbally
Actually, I have a feeling that once the mood towards social, economic, and particularly environmental change kicks in over the States, things will move a lot quicker than people realize, based on free market economics, if the current way of life becomes that unaffordable, people will unsentimentally ditch it and try something more practical. That's what has happened in the past. And I would certainly never write off the United States either politically or economically, as you usually underestimate that nation and the ability of its people to effect change in many areas at your peril.
Inclined to agree with you. be interesting to see what happens next. Having a black presidential candidate is a quite remarkable achievement in such a short space of time.
Yah all your supposed crap above...... but the fact is...... we kicked the (your) Bloody Britishers ass's until we we were a FREE REPUBLIC.......................And free from YOUR God-amned suppressions.........
NANNY NANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh.........Yah ..........we stayed at home until the japs attacked Pearl Harbor...........
Then we saved your Bloody Ass's.........AGAIN!!!!!!
Oh Yah WW1 we was there to to bail your sorry ass's out too.....Lost a GREAT Uncle there.....Almost forgot!!!!!!........
So go watch your french movies and leave us all the HELL along............K?????
:yh_rotfl:yh_hugs
Don't let that inferiority complex get you down.
posted by galbally
Actually, I have a feeling that once the mood towards social, economic, and particularly environmental change kicks in over the States, things will move a lot quicker than people realize, based on free market economics, if the current way of life becomes that unaffordable, people will unsentimentally ditch it and try something more practical. That's what has happened in the past. And I would certainly never write off the United States either politically or economically, as you usually underestimate that nation and the ability of its people to effect change in many areas at your peril.
Inclined to agree with you. be interesting to see what happens next. Having a black presidential candidate is a quite remarkable achievement in such a short space of time.