Organ Donation

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:20 am

I don't think I've ever seen this topic here yet, so here it is.

How do you feel about organ donation? Are you a donor? A recipient?

If you aren't a donor do people try to make you feel guilty?

Should donation be mandatory or optional?

What are all your thoughts on this?

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:29 am

I think organ donation should be optional.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:31 am

Nobody owns their body so it seems odd to me that people want to dictate what happens to its component parts when they're dead.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:34 am

At my current rate, when I die everything on me will be wore out and used up. And, I hate the word "mandatory".

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:37 am

I believe it's a person's choice. I didn't used to believe in organ donation. I wanted to be buried with all my parts. Then I had my children. I thought if they needed a life saving donation, how sad would it be if everyone felt like me? I am now an organ donor. I'm not going to need any of my parts once I die. I hope they use them all and save a lot of lives. I hope someone gets to see their family for the first time through my eyes.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:38 am

Hi Chonsi!

Spot, how do you figure no one owns their own body? I've always felt that's the one thing we do own. What's your take on it?

Hoppy, sorry...I probably should have said "compulsory."

I'm against man- compulsory donation myself. I never want to see that happen. I'm not a donor either.I have conflicting feelings about it.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:42 am

I think this thread by Millit says so much about this subject.

I would love to post a pic of our late son, which we lost 10yrs ago aged 16, in december, he died crossing a dual carriage way on his way home from work,i will never forget the knock on the door and seeing the look on the police's face asking can we come in, i knew by the way they said that, its wasn't good, it was like being in a soap opera, the police car with the sirens on the way to the hospital, i remember thinking is this for real, the journey seemed to go on for miles, but we live close to the hospital,then we arrive,still not thinking this is real, we are took to a room, waiting to hear what is going on,it was not good, i remember the staff taking us through to see him,and i knew we had lost him dont ask me how i knew but as a mum i did they did all the test brain scan, but didn't tell us just took him to icu,we went home hoping the hospital would phone to say he had waked up, so we went next day to be told they had done test on him, and he did not reponsed to them,and he had died from brain stem damage, so we decided to donate his organs, and he has helped so many ppl we know he still lives in others. sorry pic not uploading, still send one when i can make it load xx Millit

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:43 am

My mother is an organ donor, when I was 13 I asked if I could be one too.

I have always carried my card in my wallet, my husband was a little afraid of being a donor but he has signed the back of the card so that I get to make the decision for him at that time.

My daughter and one of my sons also carry donor cards.

We feel its the last charitable thing we can do on this earth, to offer the chance for someone else to live. I don't think it should be mandatory but I think there should be more information and education about it.

when Ryan was 4 he had a friend at preschool, Davids mum was waiting for a kidney, one morning she turned up with a bleeper, she was at the top of the list. Everyone was so excited. So when about a week later her husband bought the kids to school we all thought she had got her kidney and asked excitedly after her, he told us she had passed away at the weekend aged 32 leaving 4 children aged between 4 and 10.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:46 am

RedGlitter;883544 wrote: Hi Chonsi!

Spot, how do you figure no one owns their own body? I've always felt that's the one thing we do own. What's your take on it?

Hoppy, sorry...I probably should have said "compulsory."

I'm against man- compulsory donation myself. I never want to see that happen. I'm not a donor either.I have conflicting feelings about it.

Mandatory, compulsory, I should have said I hate the implied force.

I would donate anything useful but I don't want it to be a forced issue.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:50 am

I think the donor's family should be able to ask for compensation for the organ. After all, the hospital asks for compensationfor the transplant, right?

How about a living person selling a kidney to help support the family?

BTW, once I'm done with my parts ya'll can have what you want. Just grind up the rest for pet food or fertilizer.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:51 am

Victoria;883549 wrote:

we all thought she had got her kidney and asked excitedly after her, he told us she had passed away at the weekend aged 32 leaving 4 children aged between 4 and 10.

That is terrible.

hoppy;883550 wrote: Mandatory, compulsory, I should have said I hate the implied force.

I would donate anything useful but I don't want it to be a forced issue.

Oh, ok, I got it. I agree with you as well.

Peg;883543 wrote: I hope someone gets to see their family for the first time through my eyes.

That's a very generous sentiment, Peg.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:54 am

Accountable;883554 wrote: I think the donor's family should be able to ask for compensation for the organ. After all, the hospital asks for compensationfor the transplant, right?

That's definitely something to think about. Why should they get it for free and make money off of that person's generosity.

How about a living person selling a kidney to help support the family?

Well, if it's what they want to do I guess they can. I wouldn't do something like that, I'd go to the poor house before I sold a kidney, but if someone else wanted to do it, that would be their call.

BTW, once I'm done with my parts ya'll can have what you want. Just grind up the rest for pet food or fertilizer.

Yukk Acc!! :p

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:58 am

I have volunteered to be an organ donor upon my demise. I believe this should be an individuals choice.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:00 am

What do you all think of Acc's suggestion that the bereaved family be compensated for their loved one's organ?

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:02 am

Yesterday, I learned my X wife has cancer. Monday she will find out her options. She bore our 5 children. I don't know what to say to her. I put her through tons of crap for 18 years before she had enough of me. Just saying I'm sorry doesn't seem like enough. I would trade places with her if it would buy her some more good years.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:09 am

hoppy;883569 wrote: Yesterday, I learned my X wife has cancer. Monday she will find out her options. She bore our 5 children. I don't know what to say to her. I put her through tons of crap for 18 years before she had enough of me. Just saying I'm sorry doesn't seem like enough. I would trade places with her if it would buy her some more good years.
Holy crap. I can't imagine. My first instinct is to hold her, just hold her. Does she have anyone?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:10 am

Hoppy....I'm sorry. I think sometimes it's okay just to admit to a person that you don't know what to say but that you care. I'm not sure what anyone could say in that situation. At least not until you fully know what she's up against. Sometimes all you can do is hug a person. I will hope for the best. And again I am so sorry.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:13 am

Accountable;883577 wrote: Holy crap. I can't imagine. My first instinct is to hold her, just hold her. Does she have anyone?

She has a husband. Two weeks ago he had a pacemaker installed and he has lung problems. It's a sad time in our family right now.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:37 am

hoppy;883581 wrote: She has a husband. Two weeks ago he had a pacemaker installed and he has lung problems. It's a sad time in our family right now.
Cancer's not a death sentence like it used to be. Fingers crossed on her options. :yh_flower

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:49 am

RedGlitter;883544 wrote: Spot, how do you figure no one owns their own body? I've always felt that's the one thing we do own. What's your take on it?You're legally forbidden to sell yourself as a slave - if you owned your body that would be your right, or to sell any of your organs even though that would result in your death. You're legally forbidden to allow someone else to criminally assault you or to hire out your body for the direct sexual gratification of a client. The law insists that your body be buried in particular places or used by medical students or forensic researchers or be cremated, you can't insist that it goes into a glass casket in your living room. If you owned your body you could do any of those things.

Here's a good test of whether you own your body or not. Ring the local TV station and tell them that next Friday at 2pm you'll stand on your lawn in full view of the public and pour a gallon of gas over yourself and strike a match in protest at the laws which forbid you to stand on your lawn and pour a gallon of gas over yourself and strike a match, and see whether you get arrested before 2pm on Friday.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:16 am

I'm a donor have been for decades. If anything is still working when I go may someone else use it with my blessing.

I have had the honor of seeing a Heart Transplant Surgery what a gift of life it truly is. If mine it worthy of a transplant let it beat in someone elses chest. If my Kidneys can get someone off dialysis excellent. If my skin can be used to heal a child or an adult who has suffered severe burns great they will appreciate it I know. Heck what do I care when I'm gone I'm gone pay it forward as they say.

minks · Post by **minks** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:31 am

Being a Donar should always be optional, with yearly reminders to everyone on the many successes out there as a result of organ donations.

Lordy I would like to think that if any of my loved ones needed an organ they could get one in a timely fashion.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:36 am

I think its a good way to think about it as Peg has. My daughters boyfriends brother had a much needed double lung transplant last october, he is 27 and the docs said his lungs were that bad he would not have seen that christmas without the transplant,, he now has a whole new lease of life,,i think when you think about donating one of your own organs,, or giving permission for one of your family members organs to be donated ,, it seems a hard choice sometimes,,, but when you think of it the other way ,, if it was you or your partner/mother/son/ etc. that desperately needed an organ you would know the utter joy at being given that organ,, or the total despair if you were'nt.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:57 am

if it was you or your partner/mother/son/ etc. that desperately needed an organ you would know the utter joy at being given that organ,, or the total despair if you were'nt.

That's true, I can't deny that. But I'm also a believer that when it's your time to go, you go. I also, crazy as it will sound, think a person's essence is not only in their soul but in their body and blood as well. I don't want anyone having any of my parts mainly for that reason. I make the exception for blood though.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:04 am

RedGlitter;883805 wrote: That's true, I can't deny that. But I'm also a believer that when it's your time to go, you go. I also, crazy as it will sound, think a person's essence is not only in their soul but in their body and blood as well. I don't want anyone having any of my parts mainly for that reason. I make the exception for blood though.

it does seem to be a very personal thing and for some people it is hard to think of donating i know. But my take is when you are dead you a dead.. thats it.. your body is dead and it will rot(im gonna be cremated) and all the organs will rot,, and someones life could have been saved,, or made considerably better. Life is for the living. They can take whatever is any use if anything when i go.

can i ask Red,, with your reasoning,,, would you then refuse an organ if you needed one and it was offered?

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:06 am

It a choice and a personal one for sure. I agree with you on our essence but why not pass that forward it is a gift this life we all live. I guess I'm into re-gifting my parts to others if they are usable then use them I won't be needing them when I'm gone. :wah:

[QUOTE]That's true, I can't deny that. But I'm also a believer that when it's your time to go, you go. I also, crazy as it will sound, think a person's essence is not only in their soul but in their body and blood as well. I don't want anyone having any of my parts mainly for that reason. I make the exception for blood though.[/QUOTE]

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:14 am

RedGlitter;883805 wrote: That's true, I can't deny that. But I'm also a believer that when it's your time to go, you go. I also, crazy as it will sound, think a person's essence is not only in their soul but in their body and blood as well. I don't want anyone having any of my parts mainly for that reason. I make the exception for blood though.I would think that would be the strongest reason FOR donating an organ.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:14 am

can i ask Red,, with your reasoning,,, would you then refuse an organ if you needed one and it was offered?

That's fair, Kaza. I have often thought about that. On one hand it seems silly to kick the bucket because I wouldn't accept someone else's kidney for instance, but at the same time, when my number's up, it's up. And I'm not so sure we're meant to prolong our lives with borrowed organs. But then if I am blind and we're talking cornea transplants or something, I might buckle and accept them. I know that's probably hypocritical, but I am being as honest as possible. I probably sound a bit cavalier about it but I assure you I'm not trying to be. With my understanding of death and the way I feel about it, I'm not afraid to go. Or at least let me say that at this time I don't fear dying.

Another thing is that if I accepted anything it would have to come from a human. I would not accept any animal parts or grafts or anything like that. I don't want any animal dying on my behalf. No pig heart for me.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:18 am

CARLA;883810 wrote: It a choice and a personal one for sure. I agree with you on our essence but why not pass that forward it is a gift this life we all live. I guess I'm into re-gifting my parts to others if they are usable then use them I won't be needing them when I'm gone. :wah:

Accountable;883817 wrote: I would think that would be the strongest reason FOR donating an organ.

I know what you guys are saying and I do see your point. Maybe it's me being selfish but when I go I plan on taking all of my energy with me. The idea of some stranger walking around with a part of myself inside him frankly, grosses me out quite a bit.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:27 am

RedGlitter;883818 wrote: That's fair, Kaza. I have often thought about that. On one hand it seems silly to kick the bucket because I wouldn't accept someone else's kidney for instance, but at the same time, when my number's up, it's up. And I'm not so sure we're meant to prolong our lives with borrowed organs. But then if I am blind and we're talking cornea transplants or something, I might buckle and accept them. I know that's probably hypocritical, but I am being as honest as possible. I probably sound a bit cavalier about it but I assure you I'm not trying to be. With my understanding of death and the way I feel about it, I'm not afraid to go. Or at least let me say that at this time I don't fear dying.

Another thing is that if I accepted anything it would have to come from a human. I would not accept any animal parts or grafts or anything like that. I don't want any animal dying on my behalf. No pig heart for me.

Your number aint up if you are offered the choice:sneaky:;) no i dont think you are being cavalier ,, i understand its strange sometimes the way you think(not you personally,, i mean people in general:wah:) but the funny things that are in your head sometimes are just there and cant be helped i think. Im not trying to change your mind or bring you round to my way of thinking,, im just interested in the way people think sometimes,,, this is one of those subjects that i suppose is close to some peoples hearts.

Animal organs?? hmm dunno... i think if it came to the crunch maybe i would ,,do they specifically kill the animlas to give an organ?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:31 am

It's my understanding that they do. But I can't say for certain. I'd expect they would have to though so they could harvest its organs in the nick of time, just like they do with people. I will try to find that out for us.

I remember after they pronounced my mom dead, the Organ Harvester Dude asked my dad and I if we wanted to donate Moms corneas. She always said she believed in donation but there was no way my dad or I could honor her wish. We could not do it. Thank God he only asked once. A second time and I would have pitched a witch.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:36 am

Here we go. Here is some information on how they procure the animal organs: http://www.scienceandsociety.emory.edu/ ... tation.htm

My search brought up an interesting question. Should prisoners be able to receive transplants?

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:38 am

RedGlitter;883830 wrote: It's my understanding that they do. But I can't say for certain. I'd expect they would have to though so they could harvest its organs in the nick of time, just like they do with people. I will try to find that out for us.

I remember after they pronounced my mom dead, the Organ Harvester Dude asked my dad and I if we wanted to donate Moms corneas. She always said she believed in donation but there was no way my dad or I could honor her wish. We could not do it. Thank God he only asked once. A second time and I would have pitched a witch.

Ah thats a shame, i would have had to do it if i knew my mam believed in it

my sister allowed some of her daughters organs to be used including her cornea's,, she was only 16 month old when she died. I think it helped them to think her existence on earth was not totally in vain.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:43 am

RedGlitter;883833 wrote: Here we go. Here is some information on how they procure the animal organs: http://www.scienceandsociety.emory.edu/ ... tation.htm

My search brought up an interesting question. Should prisoners be able to receive transplants?

oh so im terrible at reading stuff proper,, but it seems they are actually grown specifically to provide organs. intersting as well that this has come about because of a lack of human donors. I suppose a lot of people who are willing to donate may not be suitable either. I smoke so obviously a few of my organs would be no good, added on to the fact that i am 48 now. The best organs i think probably come from quite young people who have'nt really thought of donating yet.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:50 pm

hoppy;883569 wrote: Yesterday, I learned my X wife has cancer. Monday she will find out her options. She bore our 5 children. I don't know what to say to her. I put her through tons of crap for 18 years before she had enough of me. Just saying I'm sorry doesn't seem like enough. I would trade places with her if it would buy her some more good years.

Having Cancer is not a Death Sentence Hoppy, depends on the kind of cancer. Some of us are treated, live on and die of something else. Sorry to hear of your troubles.

I think donating organs is a great idea but not everyone is a suitable donor because of existing or pre-existing diseases.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:00 pm

I'd be content with opt-out rather than opt-in for organ donation, that would remove the bottleneck that's killing so many people who would be healthier if they were offered a suitable matched organ. All it takes is a majority in favour in the country and a legislature that refuses to be blocked by pressure groups and enacts the majority view. It's not the same as compulsion.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:14 pm

RedGlitter;883821 wrote: I know what you guys are saying and I do see your point. Maybe it's me being selfish but when I go I plan on taking all of my energy with me. The idea of some stranger walking around with a part of myself inside him frankly, grosses me out quite a bit.

That's where we differ. Someone else having a better quality of life because of me makes me happy. I understand though, where you are coming from.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:14 pm

Yes Spot, but the flip side to that is that you'd have those people who never got around to opting out and then you might have some very angry next of kin. It's their own fault but you know how people are. I'm not sure I'm comfy with the opt-out idea because the way I see it, that would give the authorities (for lack of a better word) implicit permission to go ahead and harvest, as if it is assumed they own your stuff after you check out. Not too comfy with that.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:16 pm

Peg;884001 wrote: That's where we differ. Someone else having a better quality of life because of me makes me happy. I understand though, where you are coming from.

Thank you Peg for understanding. I am able to see your angle too.

And I can't explain why I'm reticent to give my organs but I'm willing to give my blood. I haven't figured that out yet.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:20 pm

RedGlitter;884002 wrote: I'm not sure I'm comfy with the opt-out idea because the way I see it, that would give the authorities (for lack of a better word) implicit permission to go ahead and harvest, as if it is assumed they own your stuff after you check out. Not too comfy with that.

No, it means that if you've signed a form opting out then no authority on earth can permit any hospital or doctor in any circumstances whatever, even if they've someone dying in the next room as a result, to use any of your organs for transplantation. That's why it's called an opt-out. You're recognised by the law as having the right to decide on the fate of your own body after death and you've expressed that right by denying the use of your organs to anyone else. How can you possibly get from that to "implicit permission to go ahead and harvest"?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:22 pm

spot;883993 wrote: I'd be content with opt-out rather than opt-in for organ donation, that would remove the bottleneck that's killing so many people who would be healthier if they were offered a suitable matched organ. All it takes is a majority in favour in the country and a legislature that refuses to be blocked by pressure groups and enacts the majority view. It's not the same as compulsion.
Red's right. The sudden death of a young person, especially a young adult who isn't ready to think about his/her own death, puts this in the immoral category.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:30 pm

spot;884007 wrote: No, it means that if you've signed a form opting out then no authority on earth can permit any hospital or doctor in any circumstances whatever, even if they've someone dying in the next room as a result, to use any of your organs for transplantation. That's why it's called an opt-out. You're recognised by the law as having the right to decide on the fate of your own body after death and you've expressed that right by denying the use of your organs to anyone else. How can you possibly get from that to "implicit permission to go ahead and harvest"?

Simply by the very nature of the opt-out program. By giving a person an option to opt out, it prematurely presumes that you would automatically want to be opted in. That's a little too presumptuous for me. It would be like when I go to a fancy restaurant and they bring me my check with the gratuity already figured in, assuming I want to tip or tip that amount. Maybe that's a poor analogy but it's what came to mind.

Also, unless you keep a copy of this opt-out or a wallet card or you get sent to the hospital that has all your records on hand, that leaves much room for error on the side of the harvester.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:30 pm

Accountable;884009 wrote: Red's right. The sudden death of a young person, especially a young adult who isn't ready to think about his/her own death, puts this in the immoral category.

Then set the age at which the default condition switches. Assume that a child has no capacity to grant informed consent, to begin with. The law can deal with that by saying the default state is that a child's organs aren't used unless the child's legal guardian consents after death. Only after passing a certain age does the opt-out become the default condition. Set it wherever you like. I suggest that you have school classes in citizenship and that a part of those classes is the discussion and understanding of the issues involved, and the handing out and secret collection of opt-out cards. The age at which they can vote seems a good enough age to switch in my opinion.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:33 pm

This card-carrying nonsense can go too. The government has enough places where you might signify your consent or refusal. In England we express our consent or refusal on our driver license registration, for example.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:58 pm

spot;883540 wrote: Nobody owns their body so it seems odd to me that people want to dictate what happens to its component parts when they're dead.

I do own my body. At least for the time being.

Its mine, all mine.

Explain yourself please.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:01 pm

Nomad;884030 wrote: I do own my body. At least for the time being.

Its mine, all mine.

Explain yourself please.

It involves copying post#20 forward but if you didn't see it, here it is again.You're legally forbidden to sell yourself as a slave - if you owned your body that would be your right, or to sell any of your organs even though that would result in your death. You're legally forbidden to allow someone else to criminally assault you or to hire out your body for the direct sexual gratification of a client. The law insists that your body be buried in particular places or used by medical students or forensic researchers or be cremated, you can't insist that it goes into a glass casket in your living room. If you owned your body you could do any of those things.

Here's a good test of whether you own your body or not. Ring the local TV station and tell them that next Friday at 2pm you'll stand on your lawn in full view of the public and pour a gallon of gas over yourself and strike a match in protest at the laws which forbid you to stand on your lawn and pour a gallon of gas over yourself and strike a match, and see whether you get arrested before 2pm on Friday.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:15 pm

spot;884033 wrote: It involves copying post#20 forward but if you didn't see it, here it is again.

You're legally forbidden to sell yourself as a slave - if you owned your body that would be your right, or to sell any of your organs even though that would result in your death. You're legally forbidden to allow someone else to criminally assault you or to hire out your body for the direct sexual gratification of a client. The law insists that your body be buried in particular places or used by medical students or forensic researchers or be cremated, you can't insist that it goes into a glass casket in your living room. If you owned your body you could do any of those things.

Here's a good test of whether you own your body or not. Ring the local TV station and tell them that next Friday at 2pm you'll stand on your lawn in full view of the public and pour a gallon of gas over yourself and strike a match in protest at the laws which forbid you to stand on your lawn and pour a gallon of gas over yourself and strike a match, and see whether you get arrested before 2pm on Friday.

Those are merely frivolous technicalities induced by those who thrive on legislating.

My freedom may be taken from me but my essence will never leave me.

Its mine to do with as I see fit.

My soul is my personal identity.

My genes are my individuality.

Theres nothing you can utter that will ever change that.

Post by **spot** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:27 pm

Nobody's planning on transplanting your soul, Nomad. Your lawful freedom on what you can do with your own body is limited though. Your essences, as you so rightly point out, are entirely unassailably yours. Your genes are quite probably copyright Celera Genomics by now - you didn't write them, you never even learned to read them, your mutations are unhealthy and most of your functional subroutines are shared by the banana. I'm pressing Congress for the adoption of Nomad's Law, which says that when enough people want it to happen anyone can be used as donor material and named after the first person to be dispersed for the good of his fellow men.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:30 pm

WRONG !

Im much more powerful than a banana.