What is Morality?

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:35 am

Now here's a straightforward question. What is morality? Is it a personal code of conduct? Is it in some sense absolute? I would be very interested in understanding where the various participants in this forum are coming from on this one, as I hope it will help me to understand how people reach the conclusions they do.

If out of ten people in a room, nine of them agree to murder the other, is that moral? It's a majority opinion, after all. Perhaps the problem here is that my sample isn't big enough. What about a whole building - would that be better? What about a whole village? A whole town? A whole country?

So I'll start by answering my own question, from my point of view. I take as an axiom the standpoint that is it wrong to impose one's will upon another without their consent. Violation of this axiom I consider "harm". It comes, of course, from the selfish standpoint that I don't want anyone imposing their will upon me, against my will, and from there I extrapolate that to others. It is, in a way, a more general version of the christian ethic "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".

Of course this ideal is never achievable in practice. If you drive a car then you are polluting the atmosphere and arguably harming others against their will. But on the other hand, to ban cars would be a greater imposition.

I have begun to realise, however, that it is possible that others in this forum may have a different view - that morality is somehow "absolute", that there is an absolute right and an absolute wrong. I am unclear about a great many aspects of this viewpoint.

For example - let's take an extreme example. It is usually considered wrong to kill people. If it's called murder, you can certainly expect a prison sentence, at the very least. But if it's called war, they give you medals for it. Euthenasia is generally (though not universally) regarded as an act of compassion. Some juristictions endorse capital punishment. If even this seemingly unarguable wrong is so hazy, how can we be sure about the smaller questions?

Some would argue (I think) that majority opinion should dictate what is absolute morality. Majority opinion may be the fairest way to run a democracy (or at least, I can't think of a better one), but I don't believe it may dictate absolute right and wrong.

I am aware that this topic is open-ended. It can never have a real conclusion because it is unlikely we will all be able to agree. However, my goal here is not to forge a universal agreement, but simply to understand whence moral judgements arise.

Okay, fire away. Please tell me. I am keen to learn:D

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:38 am

Chezzie;906800 wrote: Now here's a straightforward question. What is morality? Is it a personal code of conduct? Is it in some sense absolute? I would be very interested in understanding where the various participants in this forum are coming from on this one, as I hope it will help me to understand how people reach the conclusions they do.

If out of ten people in a room, nine of them agree to murder the other, is that moral? It's a majority opinion, after all. Perhaps the problem here is that my sample isn't big enough. What about a whole building - would that be better? What about a whole village? A whole town? A whole country?

So I'll start by answering my own question, from my point of view. I take as an axiom the standpoint that is it wrong to impose one's will upon another without their consent. Violation of this axiom I consider "harm". It comes, of course, from the selfish standpoint that I don't want anyone imposing their will upon me, against my will, and from there I extrapolate that to others. It is, in a way, a more general version of the christian ethic "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".

Of course this ideal is never achievable in practice. If you drive a car then you are polluting the atmosphere and arguably harming others against their will. But on the other hand, to ban cars would be a greater imposition.

I have begun to realise, however, that it is possible that others in this forum may have a different view - that morality is somehow "absolute", that there is an absolute right and an absolute wrong. I am unclear about a great many aspects of this viewpoint.

For example - let's take an extreme example. It is usually considered wrong to kill people. If it's called murder, you can certainly expect a prison sentence, at the very least. But if it's called war, they give you medals for it. Euthenasia is generally (though not universally) regarded as an act of compassion. Some juristictions endorse capital punishment. If even this seemingly unarguable wrong is so hazy, how can we be sure about the smaller questions?

Some would argue (I think) that majority opinion should dictate what is absolute morality. Majority opinion may be the fairest way to run a democracy (or at least, I can't think of a better one), but I don't believe it may dictate absolute right and wrong.

I am aware that this topic is open-ended. It can never have a real conclusion because it is unlikely we will all be able to agree. However, my goal here is not to forge a universal agreement, but simply to understand whence moral judgements arise.

Okay, fire away. Please tell me. I am keen to learn:DSorry Chez will have to teach you later as I have to go out now sorry:(;):driving:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:42 am

Carolly;906801 wrote: Sorry Chez will have to teach you later as I have to go out now sorry:(;):driving:

cant wait:D

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:57 am

My code of morality is a personal code of conduct yes, it was brought about by my christain upbringing, don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't envy others, etc.

but i think you can be a moral person without the religious teachings. I think i would be!

but as for your example of killing, as a person i'm aganist all killing, i am extremely pro life from the subject of abortion all the way to capital punishment! and not just where humans ae concerned, i've laughed about it on several occasions that i don't even own a fly swatter! :wah:

i think a truly moral person is someone who will do the right thing even when no one is looking!

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:04 am

Hope6;906811 wrote: My code of morality is a personal code of conduct yes, it was brought about by my christain upbringing, don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't envy others, etc.

but i think you can be a moral person without the religious teachings. I think i would be!

but as for your example of killing, as a person i'm aganist all killing, i am extremely pro life from the subject of abortion all the way to capital punishment! and not just where humans ae concerned, i've laughed about it on several occasions that i don't even own a fly swatter! :wah:

i think a truly moral person is someone who will do the right thing even when no one is looking!

I love your reply Hope and it does reflect your personality and how you conduct yourself here.:-6

Yesterday we had a huge bluebottle fly in the office. It kept landing on our desks and some of the women shouted "where's the fly spray". One woman who for the record is a vegetarian was against this idea and tried desperately to steer it out of an open window but to no avail, whilst she nipped to the bathroom, another colleague swatted it with an A4 diary and told the other woman it had flew out of the window...Everyone was happy but who was wrong or right?? :-4

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:04 am

ummmmmmmmmmm Morals, I do have morals but I am not a christian. I think if you murder or rape you should be punished, this is something I would never do , I have never stolen from anybody so my morals are fairly high only because of my upbringing, but there are things I do believe in and that a womans choice to abortion so I suppose my morals are not perfect but whose are.

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:10 am

Chezzie;906813 wrote: I love your reply Hope and it does reflect your personality and how you conduct yourself here.:-6

Yesterday we had a huge bluebottle fly in the office. It kept landing on our desks and some of the women shouted "where's the fly spray". One woman who for the record is a vegetarian was against this idea and tried desperately to steer it out of an open window but to no avail, whilst she nipped to the bathroom, another colleague swatted it with an A4 diary and told the other woman it had flew out of the window...Everyone was happy but who was wrong or right?? :-4

:wah::wah: that would have been me! i'm always shooing bugs out the door, or catching them and turning them loose outside!

i guess it all depends on your beliefs, if the other woman didn't feel there was anything wrong with swatting the fly, then i'm sure she thought she was right.

but it was nice of her to spare the other woman's feelings by not telling her about it.

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:13 am

kayleneaussie;906815 wrote: ummmmmmmmmmm Morals, I do have morals but I am not a christian. I think if you murder or rape you should be punished, this is something I would never do , I have never stolen from anybody so my morals are fairly high only because of my upbringing, but there are things I do believe in and that a womans choice to abortion so I suppose my morals are not perfect but whose are.

no, nobody's are perfect, but from what i've gotten to know of you since i've been on here, i don't think anybody's could be much better than yours babe!

i've said it before, you are a wonderful person! :-4

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:20 am

I think another thing with morals you cant force your morals onto someone else. I met this really nice girl and over time we became very good friends. Her children were very well dressed and had excellent manners and overall were really lovely children, she lived in a really nice house had a flash car. It wasnt until a few years later she finally confided in me that she was a prostitute. I was like stunned but tried not to show it but she was my friend she hadnt done anything to hurt me and her children where well looked after so who was I to judge

Her morals are different to mine but so what that life.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:23 am

kayleneaussie;906829 wrote: I think another thing with morals you cant force your morals onto someone else. I met this really nice girl and over time we became very good friends. Her children were very well dressed and had excellent manners and overall were really lovely children, she lived in a really nice house had a flash car. It wasnt until a few years later she finally confided in me that she was a prostitute. I was like stunned but tried not to show it but she was my friend she hadnt done anything to hurt me and her children where well looked after so who was I to judge

Her morals are different to mine but so what that life.

So for some maybe the morality isn't absolute. Is only a norms of conduct for living in society the best way you see fit?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:25 am

Morality to me is liking people...About as simple as that...It just so happens in liking people they're partial to whatever is necessary to the benefit of humanity however way, shape or form that may be implemented...

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:35 am

K.Snyder;906834 wrote: Morality to me is liking people...About as simple as that...It just so happens in liking people they're partial to whatever is necessary to the benefit of humanity however way, shape or form that may be implemented...

Im so glad I married you::D

Do you think morality is human-bound perception? That so long as good and bad things are caused by humans to the world, Like, desire to have sex is immoral when it is resulted in increase of prostitution, human-trafficking, prevalence of STI etc., but moral within the marraige, love, continuation of human race etc. Thus, anything is done with goodwill is moral, while the same thing is done with ill-will is immoral.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:14 am

Chezzie;906843 wrote: Im so glad I married you::D

Do you think morality is human-bound perception? That so long as good and bad things are caused by humans to the world, Like, desire to have sex is immoral when it is resulted in increase of prostitution, human-trafficking, prevalence of STI etc., but moral within the marraige, love, continuation of human race etc. Thus, anything is done with goodwill is moral, while the same thing is done with ill-will is immoral.

I don't believe it's directly limited to humans...To me it's everything that represents the prosperity of life...A more broader sense would be that it's everything that represents anything good...What one perceives is good is relative in that one may perceive good to be bad but the overall determining factor lies in the divinity of that very same prosperity...It's quite simple...Humans(Most humans) don't want to die...So they see life as being good...They thrive for life...The result of this ends with all of the necessities in life being coveted for the benefit in the longevity of that life(Healthy food(Live longer), water, adequate clothing, adequate shelter, love) hence the reason you see people labeling someone who gives others healthy food, water, adequate clothing, adequate shelter someone to whom is "morale"...This also means this person is liked because they've increased the likelihood of to whom this person has given these things to a long and prosperous life...

Sex is "morale" in this case because it gives life...Perhaps the ultimate morality...But it can also be given a bad reputation because there are still diseases associated with sex...This is "immoral" because those diseases decreases the longevity of life contrary to that in which I've described above...Obviously promiscuity increases the susceptibility of these diseases being spread which in such instances can be defined as "immoral"...

Anything that coincides with the longevity of life is considered "morale" and is not limited to human beings but all life that strives to further their time here on Earth..."Morale" in this case is emphasis within every known species but every known species perceives morality as being entirely exclusive as this is the only way they can relate which gives credence to the term "Morale" all together...

This is my assessment of "Morale"...

"Morale" being loved...

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:41 am

good thread .morality to me is a code of behaviour.sexual,socially and generally being true to ones self and others.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:09 am

Morality is dictated as to whether or not a certain act is SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE in the area you reside. Having a mistress in France may cause less of a stir than in Salt Lake City, Utah. Unmarried couples or same sex couples cause less fuss in San Francisco than Nashville, Tenn. For the religious folks, their religion will spell out what is moral or immoral.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:23 am

Lon;906945 wrote: Morality is dictated as to whether or not a certain act is SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE in the area you reside. Having a mistress in France may cause less of a stir than in Salt Lake City, Utah. Unmarried couples or same sex couples cause less fuss in San Francisco than Nashville, Tenn. For the religious folks, their religion will spell out what is moral or immoral.

Yes I agree 100% but who decided it was that way? The majority? If so how did they do it, world poll lol?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:43 am

If you were to ask me, I would say that morality has religious overtones while ethics come from the heart and conscience. I prefer ethics.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:46 am

RedGlitter;906972 wrote: If you were to ask me, I would say that morality has religious overtones while ethics come from the heart and conscience. I prefer ethics.

Ethics to me is nothing more than the display of morale...Derivative I believe...

Practically the exact same word...

My opinion...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:59 am

My boss asked this question of me before I was hired. Integrity actually was the word but close enough. I love that she asked. Great question Chezter.

Morality:

Its the essence of your being. Its the thing that lives in you instinctually that drives your life. Its the path you take that molds your life or perhaps its the other way around.

Morality goes deeper than right or wrong, I mean life is more gray than black or white.

Sometimes morality may lead you astray because you find yourself in a position to make a decision that can only be made by you at that moment in time.

The vigilante father that kills his childs tormentor is an extreme example but who amongst us could look him in the eye and tell him he did wrong, that it was immoral.

Ive failed often in making the right decisons yet thats my path. I learn from my mistakes and Im getting better as I go. Im becoming someone Im proud of. Some may have always done the right thing and thats their path but its beyond my realm of understanding.

Last night I was in a convenience store and there was a customer that appeared agitated and seemed as if he had ideas other than purchasing something. Nothing I can put my finger on but intuition. When I made my purchase I whispered to the clerk asking if he was nervous and he said yea.

I left the store but I stood right outside the door watching the guy and the clerk knew I was there, the guy knew I was there. I wasnt leaving until he did and to me that was the moral thing to do because of the clerks fear.

The wonderful thing about morality is that its a trait you get to exercise a hundred times a day in a hundred different ways and it feeds on itself. As it feeds it grows in you.

Thats what I meant by it becoming this living thing that guides you/us.

Morality is discussed as a societal cause and it is but its not something that comes with guidelines. Its more personal, more individual than that.

It can be taught but clearly its a specific characteristic we opt to control for ourselves. Or not.

Lack of morality also provides as many opportunities as morality does.

Morality may have definition but at the same time its one of those things that just is. Or isnt.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:06 am

wow! good post Nomad:D I feel that i have always tried to "do the right thing" sometimes people get frustrated with me for it:wah: and sometimes i have to admit i have wished i didnt have that sense of good morals instilled in me:sneaky::o

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:11 am

Nomad;906992 wrote: My boss asked this question of me before I was hired. Integrity actually was the word but close enough. I love that she asked. Great question Chezter.

Morality:

Its the essence of your being. Its the thing that lives in you instinctually that drives your life. Its the path you take that molds your life or perhaps its the other way around.

Morality goes deeper than right or wrong, I mean life is more gray than black or white.

Sometimes morality may lead you astray because you find yourself in a position to make a decision that can only be made by you at that moment in time.

The vigilante father that kills his childs tormentor is an extreme example but who amongst us could look him in the eye and tell him he did wrong, that it was immoral.

Ive failed often in making the right decisons yet thats my path. I learn from my mistakes and Im getting better as I go. Im becoming someone Im proud of. Some may have always done the right thing and thats their path but its beyond my cope of understanding.

Last night I was in a convenience store and there was a customer that appeared agitated and seemed as if he had ideas other than purchasing something. Nothing I can put my finger on but intuition. When I made my purchase I whispered to the clerk asking if he was nervous and he said yea.

I left the store but I stood right outside the door watching the guy and the clerk knew I was there, the guy knew I was there. I wasnt leaving until he did and to me that was the moral thing to do because of the clerks fear.

The wonderful thing about morality is that its a trait you get to exercise a hundred times a day in a hundred different ways and it feeds on itself. As it feeds it grows in you.

Thats what I meant by it becoming this living thing that guides you/us.

Morality is discussed as a societal cause and it is but its not something that comes with guidelines. Its more personal, more individual than that.

It can be taught but clearly its a specific characteristic we opt to control for ourselves. Or not.

Lack of morality also provides as many opportunities as morality does.

Morality may have definition but at the same time its one of those things that just is. Or isnt.

Wow I have tears in my eyes from reading that Nommie.. Im touched you answered my post with such honesty.:-4

I completely get what your saying, we all have to live with our selves and whether we do the right or wrong thing crops up daily in most peoples lives. From telling the boss a lie on why your late for work to telling hubby your latest purchase was in the sale when it wasnt. Obviously some people cross a deeper line and lie about more serious things or even act them out. Some people can live with telling a little white lie as they think, what you dont know wont hurt you but to some that would be immoral...

I guess it boils down to us all being individual, from different walks of life.

I lived with my husband before we married, to some thats immoral, to me it wasnt. I wanted to make sure 100% that he was the man I wanted to marry and I felt I had to live with him to find that out.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:24 am

Wow I have tears in my eyes from reading that Nommie

I do enjoy making girls cry :-6

Its all about POWER !

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:25 am

Nomad;907013 wrote: I do enjoy making girls cry :-6

Its all about POWER !

Usually with happiness and pleasure I hope:D

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:57 am

For me it is simple treat others as you would want to be treated. Pretty much covers everything I can think of just by stopping and asking that question you will usually do the right thing. Nomad put it best it just is or ins't.

[QUOTE]Thats what I meant by it becoming this living thing that guides you/us.

Morality is discussed as a societal cause and it is but its not something that comes with guidelines. Its more personal, more individual than that.

It can be taught but clearly its a specific characteristic we opt to control for ourselves. Or not.

Lack of morality also provides as many opportunities as morality does.

Morality may have definition but at the same time its one of those things that just is. Or isnt.[/QUOTE]

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:54 am

Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary:-

MORAL :- of or relating to character or conduct considered as good or evil: ethical; conformed to or directed towards right, virtuous: esp, virtuous in matters of sex: capable of knowing right and wrong: subject to the moral law: supported by evidence of reason or probability...........................

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:09 am

I prefer to treat people the way they deserve to be treated.:guitarist

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:15 am

Lon;907079 wrote: I prefer to treat people the way they deserve to be treated.:guitarist
so tell me.how would you treat the yobs that made a 17 year old boy drink petrol and then set him alight.im a big bloke but watching the parents of that boy on the news tonight brought a tear to my eye i tell you.

scholle-kid · Post by **scholle-kid** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:16 am

I believe when a person has morals it comes out in every thing they do and where ever they go day to day.

What morals mean to me is you go out of your way not to hurt another person weather its their feelings or them physically. and generally when you do that it puts you in the way to help someone cross a street, or like Nomad standing out side that door last night ,

I have never been a strong church going person but those ten commandments are all a person really needs to live side by side in this world we find our selves in.

And about the question in the OP about murder being against the law and likely to bring a prison sentence but during war it would bring medals,, your so right when you say there is no 'answer' because its a personal choice when asking 2 or more people ,, about abortion I am so against abortion simply because I believe as soon as a baby is conceived he/she is a person in the making,,(if you mix a cake up and put it in the oven , is it not a cake ? Ok it's not eatable yet , it's a cake in the making..)

but like it was said here in a post no one has the right to force their will or way of thinking,believing etc... on another so I am personally for myself abortion was never a option, but for anyone else in the world I'm pro choice ,

I truly believe if 'you do unto others like you want to be treated them the majority of the time it will happen. The subject of the father that went postal on the person that hurt his child , that would of been a moral question in my way of thinking , that falls under the blanket cove of protecting his child and he made the moral decision way back when he stepped up and stood with the childs mom when they got pregnant,,IMO ,,

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:26 am

CARLA;907038 wrote: For me it is simple treat others as you would want to be treated. Pretty much covers everything I can think of just by stopping and asking that question you will usually do the right thing. Nomad put it best it just is or ins't.

I feel much the same as Carla - 'Do as you would be done by' and I try to do that as much as I can, but one is only human and an error can be made. The secret is to put yourself in the position of the other person and imagine how you would feel, before you did or said what you were going to do or say. There again one is only human, and this may not be done sometimes, and somebody would be upset. I have been guilty of that a few times in my life, unintentionally 99% of the time.

'Ethical' seems to be much the same as 'moral'. It is unethical to sell something that eases pain in complete safety, at a huge profit knowing that people will buy it whatever the price, because they are desperate for a so called 'wonder drug', when the manufacturer could still get a good profit at a quarter of the retail price! That is also morally wrong. In my opinion !

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:31 am

Nomad;906992 wrote: My boss asked this question of me before I was hired. Integrity actually was the word but close enough. I love that she asked. Great question Chezter.

Morality:

Its the essence of your being. Its the thing that lives in you instinctually that drives your life. Its the path you take that molds your life or perhaps its the other way around.

Morality goes deeper than right or wrong, I mean life is more gray than black or white.

Sometimes morality may lead you astray because you find yourself in a position to make a decision that can only be made by you at that moment in time.

The vigilante father that kills his childs tormentor is an extreme example but who amongst us could look him in the eye and tell him he did wrong, that it was immoral.

Ive failed often in making the right decisons yet thats my path. I learn from my mistakes and Im getting better as I go. Im becoming someone Im proud of. Some may have always done the right thing and thats their path but its beyond my cope of understanding.

Last night I was in a convenience store and there was a customer that appeared agitated and seemed as if he had ideas other than purchasing something. Nothing I can put my finger on but intuition. When I made my purchase I whispered to the clerk asking if he was nervous and he said yea.

I left the store but I stood right outside the door watching the guy and the clerk knew I was there, the guy knew I was there. I wasnt leaving until he did and to me that was the moral thing to do because of the clerks fear.

The wonderful thing about morality is that its a trait you get to exercise a hundred times a day in a hundred different ways and it feeds on itself. As it feeds it grows in you.

Thats what I meant by it becoming this living thing that guides you/us.

Morality is discussed as a societal cause and it is but its not something that comes with guidelines. Its more personal, more individual than that.

It can be taught but clearly its a specific characteristic we opt to control for ourselves. Or not.

Lack of morality also provides as many opportunities as morality does.

Morality may have definition but at the same time its one of those things that just is. Or isnt.

Wow! Nomad! that was beautiful! i've got tears in my eyes as well!

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:43 am

hoxtonchris;907083 wrote: so tell me.how would you treat the yobs that made a 17 year old boy drink petrol and then set him alight.im a big bloke but watching the parents of that boy on the news tonight brought a tear to my eye i tell you.

If I could do it without getting caught, I would take a lighted stick of dynamite and insert it rectally into each yob, then stand back and cheer the explosion.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:44 am

G#Gill;907095 wrote: I feel much the same as Carla - 'Do as you would be done by' and I try to do that as much as I can, but one is only human and an error can be made. The secret is to put yourself in the position of the other person and imagine how you would feel, before you did or said what you were going to do or say. There again one is only human, and this may not be done sometimes, and somebody would be upset. I have been guilty of that a few times in my life, unintentionally 99% of the time.

'Ethical' seems to be much the same as 'moral'. It is unethical to sell something that eases pain in complete safety, at a huge profit knowing that people will buy it whatever the price, because they are desperate for a so called 'wonder drug', when the manufacturer could still get a good profit at a quarter of the retail price! That is also morally wrong. In my opinion !

Health care and the fact that it always has and always will be the number one business practice of the world...But that's another topic...

Doesn't mean morality can't be explored by it's many isotopes(for lack of a better term)...

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:03 pm

Lon;907109 wrote: If I could do it without getting caught, I would take a lighted stick of dynamite and insert it rectally into each yob, then stand back and cheer the explosion.how can peopledefend people that dothis sort of thing amazes me,trying to say they will be good adults one day thats if there not adults already in the eyes of the law.that story horrified me tonight.what that boy must have gone through.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:11 pm

hoxtonchris;907124 wrote: how can peopledefend people that dothis sort of thing amazes me,trying to say they will be good adults one day thats if there not adults already in the eyes of the law.that story horrified me tonight.what that boy must have gone through.

Makes me wonder sometimes that because this sh*t is so unthinkable that I sometimes think that it's that much bad it couldn't possibly be done by wickedness...Wickedness not being bad enough to be able to do such a thing but ignorance and the bad choices that people make...

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:20 pm

K.Snyder;907131 wrote: Makes me wonder sometimes that because this sh*t is so unthinkable that I sometimes think that it's that much bad it couldn't possibly be done by wickedness...Wickedness not being bad enough to be able to do such a thing but ignorance and the bad choices that people make...i realy do not know whats going on here.what about the 2 french students who were found here.one had nearley 200 stab wounds.thank god i boughyt my son up well and his a police officer and i came from the wrong side of the tracks so thats no excuse.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:59 pm

Lon;907079 wrote: I prefer to treat people the way they deserve to be treated.:guitarist
What's your default when they haven't shown how they deserve to be treated? How do you treat people when you first meet them?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:25 am

hoxtonchris;907136 wrote: i realy do not know whats going on here.what about the 2 french students who were found here.one had nearley 200 stab wounds.thank god i boughyt my son up well and his a police officer and i came from the wrong side of the tracks so thats no excuse.

I used to think that all that people did was because they were evil...(Obviously speaking in what morale people consider to be bad)...But the more I hear about this sh*t the more I can't help but wonder if it just boils down to simple ignorant choices people make...

No feeling of remorse, no care in the world...

It brings up the question, which could possibly be a very good thread topic, of do you feel people are simply the product of their childhood or do you feel that people either choose to be wicked or good?...