The opening ceremonies
Olympics Bejing 2008
The torch is being carried to its perch
Doves are set free
All of the countries are adorned in cultural garb
Flags are flying
The jumbotron is hijacked
A pirate feed with images of Chinese human rights violations are splashed across the giant screen for the world to see
Visuals of a peaceful Tibet are displayed
Graphic views of mangy animals destined for consumption packed like sardines into cages spill out into millions of living rooms.............
Yes ?
No ?
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Interestingly, they're currently doing a dance to demonstrate the environment, how it's being damaged and how we must maintain it's purity.
Meanwhile the commentator is telling us that 16 of the worlds 20 most polluted cities are in China!
I don't think we believe the subliminal messages they're trying to send us, they're telling us of all the good things they have invented but ignoring the bad and hoping we will too. We are not blind and we do not forget. Just enjoy the fabulous show. At the end of the day it's just a show.
Meanwhile the commentator is telling us that 16 of the worlds 20 most polluted cities are in China!
I don't think we believe the subliminal messages they're trying to send us, they're telling us of all the good things they have invented but ignoring the bad and hoping we will too. We are not blind and we do not forget. Just enjoy the fabulous show. At the end of the day it's just a show.
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You know most people do not believe the images being sent. Journalists are not allowed to go where they want to, it is restricted. But I am suresome interesting stories will be told, leaked out or however.
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My Niece is there and I webcam Skype her every night. Of coure she is an Olympic Athlete and the security is over the top. But they are not allowed to walk any where unless it is planned out in advance. There every move is monitored and they are watched constantly. One of the Coaches tried to go for a run, no way Jose she have a 5 man escort the entire time.
But my Niece say the people are gracious and so very kind and generous. The air quality is disgusting nothing else can be said about it just disgusting.
But my Niece say the people are gracious and so very kind and generous. The air quality is disgusting nothing else can be said about it just disgusting.
ALOHA!!
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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jimbo;945085 wrote: imaginary scenario 2
imagine if the us had taken prisoners to a country so they could get past the human rights in thier own country and tortured those prisoners and denied them trial by a court of law some of the kept in solitary confinement for years and years :-3:-3
no that does not bare thinking about
how can bush go preaching about human rights when this is happening
Gitmo: A National Disgrace
june 6, 2007
Ever since President Bush rammed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 through Congress to lend a pretense of legality to his detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, we have urged Congress to amend the law to restore basic human rights and judicial process. Rulings by military judges this week suggest that the special detention system is so fundamentally corrupt that the only solution is to tear it down and start again.
The target of the judges’ rulings were Combatant Status Review Tribunals, panels that determine whether a prisoner is an “unlawful enemy combatant who can be tried by one of the commissions created by the 2006 law. The tribunals are, in fact, kangaroo courts that give the inmates no chance to defend themselves, allow evidence that was obtained through torture and can be repeated until one produces the answer the Pentagon wants.
On Monday, two military judges dismissed separate war crimes charges against two Guantánamo inmates because of the status review system. They said the Pentagon managed to get them declared “enemy combatants, but not “unlawful enemy combatants, and moved to try them anyway under the 2006 law. That law says only unlawful combatants may be tried by military commissions. Lawful combatants (those who wear uniforms and carry weapons openly) fall under the Geneva Conventions.
If the administration loses an appeal, which it certainly should, it will no doubt try to tinker with the review tribunals so they produce the desired verdict. Congress cannot allow that. When you can’t win a bet with loaded dice, something is wrong with the game.
There is only one path likely to lead to a result that would allow Americans to once again hold their heads high when it comes to justice and human rights. First, Congress needs to restore the right of the inmates of Guantánamo Bay to challenge their detentions. By the administration’s own count, only a small minority of the inmates actually deserve a trial. The rest should be sent home or set free.
Second, Congress should repeal the Military Commissions Act and start anew on a just system for determining whether prisoners are unlawful combatants. Among other things, evidence obtained through coercion and torture should be banned.
And Congress should shut down Guantánamo Bay, as called for in bills sponsored by two California Democrats, Representative Jane Harman in the House and Senator Dianne Feinstein in the Senate. Both lawmakers are intimately familiar with the camp and have concluded it is beyond salvaging.
Their bill would close Gitmo in a year and the detainees would be screened by real courts. Those who are truly illegal combatants would be sent to military or civilian jails in the United States, to be tried under time-tested American rules of justice, or sent to an international tribunal. Some would be returned to their native lands for trial, if warranted. The rest would be set free, as they should have been long ago.
The Guantánamo camp was created on a myth — that the American judicial system could not handle prisoners of “the war against terror. It was built on a lie — that the hundreds of detainees at Gitmo are all dangerous terrorists. And it was organized around a fiction — that Mr. Bush had the power to create this rogue system in the first place.
It is time to get rid of it.
This time I could not disagree with you more Jimbo...but I won't go into it cuz it would be off topic on this thread.
imagine if the us had taken prisoners to a country so they could get past the human rights in thier own country and tortured those prisoners and denied them trial by a court of law some of the kept in solitary confinement for years and years :-3:-3
no that does not bare thinking about
how can bush go preaching about human rights when this is happening Gitmo: A National Disgrace
june 6, 2007
Ever since President Bush rammed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 through Congress to lend a pretense of legality to his detention camp at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, we have urged Congress to amend the law to restore basic human rights and judicial process. Rulings by military judges this week suggest that the special detention system is so fundamentally corrupt that the only solution is to tear it down and start again.
The target of the judges’ rulings were Combatant Status Review Tribunals, panels that determine whether a prisoner is an “unlawful enemy combatant who can be tried by one of the commissions created by the 2006 law. The tribunals are, in fact, kangaroo courts that give the inmates no chance to defend themselves, allow evidence that was obtained through torture and can be repeated until one produces the answer the Pentagon wants.
On Monday, two military judges dismissed separate war crimes charges against two Guantánamo inmates because of the status review system. They said the Pentagon managed to get them declared “enemy combatants, but not “unlawful enemy combatants, and moved to try them anyway under the 2006 law. That law says only unlawful combatants may be tried by military commissions. Lawful combatants (those who wear uniforms and carry weapons openly) fall under the Geneva Conventions.
If the administration loses an appeal, which it certainly should, it will no doubt try to tinker with the review tribunals so they produce the desired verdict. Congress cannot allow that. When you can’t win a bet with loaded dice, something is wrong with the game.
There is only one path likely to lead to a result that would allow Americans to once again hold their heads high when it comes to justice and human rights. First, Congress needs to restore the right of the inmates of Guantánamo Bay to challenge their detentions. By the administration’s own count, only a small minority of the inmates actually deserve a trial. The rest should be sent home or set free.
Second, Congress should repeal the Military Commissions Act and start anew on a just system for determining whether prisoners are unlawful combatants. Among other things, evidence obtained through coercion and torture should be banned.
And Congress should shut down Guantánamo Bay, as called for in bills sponsored by two California Democrats, Representative Jane Harman in the House and Senator Dianne Feinstein in the Senate. Both lawmakers are intimately familiar with the camp and have concluded it is beyond salvaging.
Their bill would close Gitmo in a year and the detainees would be screened by real courts. Those who are truly illegal combatants would be sent to military or civilian jails in the United States, to be tried under time-tested American rules of justice, or sent to an international tribunal. Some would be returned to their native lands for trial, if warranted. The rest would be set free, as they should have been long ago.
The Guantánamo camp was created on a myth — that the American judicial system could not handle prisoners of “the war against terror. It was built on a lie — that the hundreds of detainees at Gitmo are all dangerous terrorists. And it was organized around a fiction — that Mr. Bush had the power to create this rogue system in the first place.
It is time to get rid of it.
This time I could not disagree with you more Jimbo...but I won't go into it cuz it would be off topic on this thread.
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jimbo;945517 wrote: no worries shelly , i really would like someone to explian why g bay is ok in a nice debate :)
They're all corrupt !!
:)They're all corrupt !!
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
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jimbo;945517 wrote: no worries shelly , i really would like someone to explian why g bay is ok in a nice debate :)
Trust me, you wouldn't want to do that now. I've been doing yard work, am hot, tired and totally bug bitten...needless to say I'm very p*ssy right now and would probably not be too nice in a debate, so we'll have to save it for another day.:p
:)Trust me, you wouldn't want to do that now. I've been doing yard work, am hot, tired and totally bug bitten...needless to say I'm very p*ssy right now and would probably not be too nice in a debate, so we'll have to save it for another day.:p
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jimbo;945709 wrote: you are a woman nothing new there them :wah::wah:
But I'm also a woman gutsy enough to tell you that right now I'm a total b*tch. :wah:
But I'm also a woman gutsy enough to tell you that right now I'm a total b*tch. :wah:
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jimbo;945731 wrote: i rest my case :wah::wah::wah:
If this wasn't a public thread I would be calling you all kinds of names! Then I'd dump my filled bottle on your head cuz you couldn't run away! :wah::wah:
If this wasn't a public thread I would be calling you all kinds of names! Then I'd dump my filled bottle on your head cuz you couldn't run away! :wah::wah:
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After watching the opening ceremonies this evening Id have to say it would be a disaster to use the Olympics for denegrating reasons.
The ceremonies were brilliant and spectacular as always.
I still believe Australia set the bar, they just went over the top.
But China none the less did a very fine job.
PS I would have preferred seeing Taiwan fly their own flag.
The ceremonies were brilliant and spectacular as always.
I still believe Australia set the bar, they just went over the top.
But China none the less did a very fine job.
PS I would have preferred seeing Taiwan fly their own flag.
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