I suspected as much and a recent TV show confirmed how diminished a college degree has become due to every one passes, little study time on student's part, easy grading by profs, need to keep student numbers up.
I have heard it said and I am starting to believe it that "a college degree is about what a high school diploma used to be". What a deal----Binge drink your way through Uni.
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I think part of the problems are employers relying too much on a college degree...Mostly because they're too greedy to actually pay someone what the job is worth from which their only true incentive is to employ those to whom have already proved themselves as opposed to some kid to whom's just graduated with a piece of paper "stating" that he/she is capable of doing the work at hand but rather isn't really 100% qualified at all...
Self educated people can do a larger percentage of the jobs from which calls for a degree but until business ethics comply with actuality you'll continue to see colleges or universities shipping kids out like your average cow at a butchers' shop...
Self educated people can do a larger percentage of the jobs from which calls for a degree but until business ethics comply with actuality you'll continue to see colleges or universities shipping kids out like your average cow at a butchers' shop...
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Ya gots thet rite. Mos thes kids coodnt spel koledj grade-u-at now they is 1:D
I totally agree with you lon. It's sickening.
I totally agree with you lon. It's sickening.
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grecianurn;949290 wrote: Might be true of some, I don't know.
But I'm proud of my boy, who got a 1st class honours degree with the highest marks ever awarded on his particular course. This from a boy who dropped out of mainstream education at age 17, but pulled himself up by the proverbial bootstraps.
He had very little financial support from me (not possible at the time) and certainly didn't binge drink his way through uni. He had a part-time job in the uni admissons office, and the unavoidable student debt he has now fully repaid.
It's a bit different in the UK and Europe. A UNI degree is worth something there.
But I'm proud of my boy, who got a 1st class honours degree with the highest marks ever awarded on his particular course. This from a boy who dropped out of mainstream education at age 17, but pulled himself up by the proverbial bootstraps.
He had very little financial support from me (not possible at the time) and certainly didn't binge drink his way through uni. He had a part-time job in the uni admissons office, and the unavoidable student debt he has now fully repaid.
It's a bit different in the UK and Europe. A UNI degree is worth something there.
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HAHAHAHAHA that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard!!! I study for hours for a stupid video test... sometimes DAYS!!! I can barely remember when i even have time to do anything but school work when i am at school.... THAT'S CRAP!!! I failed a speech class... professors i have are evil when it comes to grading. Who knew you could be so nice and be so harsh!
Smoke signals ftw!
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I do not think everyone passes, they don't in my college classes. They work hard to earn a grade. If they don't, they fail.
I can remember many grad students who did not earn the higher degrees, due to failure to pass specific exms or classes. This was within the last decade.....
I can remember many grad students who did not earn the higher degrees, due to failure to pass specific exms or classes. This was within the last decade.....
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Omni_Skittles;949330 wrote: HAHAHAHAHA that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard!!! I study for hours for a stupid video test... sometimes DAYS!!! I can barely remember when i even have time to do anything but school work when i am at school.... THAT'S CRAP!!! I failed a speech class... professors i have are evil when it comes to grading. Who knew you could be so nice and be so harsh!
Do you happen to know what Zimbabwe was called?
What years were the Korean War. What year was Poland invaded by Germany.
What was Viet Nam called in 1953?
Recently flunked questions by students taking World History.
And those were the hard questions--:guitarist
Do you happen to know what Zimbabwe was called?
What years were the Korean War. What year was Poland invaded by Germany.
What was Viet Nam called in 1953?
Recently flunked questions by students taking World History.
And those were the hard questions--:guitarist
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Irrespective of what a college students major is, when they graduate they should be able to write an intelligible letter, submit a decent resume, speak coherently. These are some of the things that employers find lacking.
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Lon;949366 wrote: Do you happen to know what Zimbabwe was called?
What years were the Korean War. What year was Poland invaded by Germany.
What was Viet Nam called in 1953?
Recently flunked questions by students taking World History.
And those were the hard questions--:guitarist
I could easily google those questions. I also haven't even taken history yet, but i will next semester... but I'll be taking American. Hmm, I think if you could ask students who were achieving their education during Vietnam about history from the 30's could you possibly see the same results? I'm sure in 30 years this same issue will occur. History tends to repeat itself.
What years were the Korean War. What year was Poland invaded by Germany.
What was Viet Nam called in 1953?
Recently flunked questions by students taking World History.
And those were the hard questions--:guitarist
I could easily google those questions. I also haven't even taken history yet, but i will next semester... but I'll be taking American. Hmm, I think if you could ask students who were achieving their education during Vietnam about history from the 30's could you possibly see the same results? I'm sure in 30 years this same issue will occur. History tends to repeat itself.
Smoke signals ftw!
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I don't agree, we have a lot of great schools in this country.
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Omni_Skittles;949330 wrote: HAHAHAHAHA that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard!!! I study for hours for a stupid video test... sometimes DAYS!!! I can barely remember when i even have time to do anything but school work when i am at school.... THAT'S CRAP!!! I failed a speech class... professors i have are evil when it comes to grading. Who knew you could be so nice and be so harsh!
Well the post obviously isn't aimed at you on your behalf...
There are a significant amount of others who get a passing grade through their college courses when Rumble Rumpelstiltskin could have done better...
I personally could teach grades Kindergarten through 7 in math now without a college degree...So why would I have no chance in hell from gaining a job doing so?...Because it's demanded that people prove by college degree that they're more than capable of the work to which they're applying...But the emphasis is that colleges spit out students at the rate of your average butchers' shop without securing the fact that they've earned the degree in which they've received because colleges, the way they are, make more money off of more students attending each individual college or university upon which is romanticized by the fact that anyone can get a degree that figuratively means squat all for $4999.99/yr etc...etc...
But hey look at it this way,..at least you got to meet some new friends and get wasted to the point of supreme unconsciousness...
Well the post obviously isn't aimed at you on your behalf...
There are a significant amount of others who get a passing grade through their college courses when Rumble Rumpelstiltskin could have done better...
I personally could teach grades Kindergarten through 7 in math now without a college degree...So why would I have no chance in hell from gaining a job doing so?...Because it's demanded that people prove by college degree that they're more than capable of the work to which they're applying...But the emphasis is that colleges spit out students at the rate of your average butchers' shop without securing the fact that they've earned the degree in which they've received because colleges, the way they are, make more money off of more students attending each individual college or university upon which is romanticized by the fact that anyone can get a degree that figuratively means squat all for $4999.99/yr etc...etc...
But hey look at it this way,..at least you got to meet some new friends and get wasted to the point of supreme unconsciousness...
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JAB;950575 wrote: Wow, so we're going to slam all employers because they've set a minimum standard of a 'degree required' when filling a role within their organization? :-2
No we're going to get half the product from those employers at the same time taking the jobs away from people to whom are more qualified by virtue of job layoffs and firings due to the philosophy that entry level graduates can fulfill those jobs from which Jon Doe has been working his entire life at establishing progressive income...
It can be done by a company going into liquidation only to have transferred their entire purse into another company name to avoid fees...
No we're going to get half the product from those employers at the same time taking the jobs away from people to whom are more qualified by virtue of job layoffs and firings due to the philosophy that entry level graduates can fulfill those jobs from which Jon Doe has been working his entire life at establishing progressive income...
It can be done by a company going into liquidation only to have transferred their entire purse into another company name to avoid fees...
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K.Snyder;950601 wrote: No we're going to get half the product from those employers at the same time taking the jobs away from people to whom are more qualified by virtue of job layoffs and firings due to the philosophy that entry level graduates can fulfill those jobs from which Jon Doe has been working his entire life at establishing progressive income...
It can be done by a company going into liquidation only to have transferred their entire purse into another company name to avoid fees...
The bottom line of course is the results, irrespective of the employee being entry level college grad or a non college retread. In any case, the employer will do what will get him the best results at the best cost. If not, his business will not be around too long.
It can be done by a company going into liquidation only to have transferred their entire purse into another company name to avoid fees...
The bottom line of course is the results, irrespective of the employee being entry level college grad or a non college retread. In any case, the employer will do what will get him the best results at the best cost. If not, his business will not be around too long.
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JAB;950613 wrote: 
You are mixing in waaaay too many issues in your one sentence.
I'm talking about setting minimum job standards whereas you seem to be making the argument against forced layoffs to tenured employees in order to make room for lesser paid college graduates.
Those are 2 totally different subjects.
I'll agree so as long as Lon voices the context of his posting..."A College Education Ain't What It Used To Be"...It could mean one of two things if not both instantaneously...1) Being Lon believes that "A College Education Ain't What It Used To Be" in it's notoriety associated with the business aspect of colleges and universities or 2) "A College Education Ain't What It Used To Be" as in the potential learning of students to whom take courses in order to get a degree...
I think entry level graduates coming in to take others' jobs is perfectly adjacent considering my belief that in many cases those graduates are less likely to perform as well as those to whoms jobs have been taken away from them...
You are mixing in waaaay too many issues in your one sentence.
I'm talking about setting minimum job standards whereas you seem to be making the argument against forced layoffs to tenured employees in order to make room for lesser paid college graduates.
Those are 2 totally different subjects.
I'll agree so as long as Lon voices the context of his posting..."A College Education Ain't What It Used To Be"...It could mean one of two things if not both instantaneously...1) Being Lon believes that "A College Education Ain't What It Used To Be" in it's notoriety associated with the business aspect of colleges and universities or 2) "A College Education Ain't What It Used To Be" as in the potential learning of students to whom take courses in order to get a degree...
I think entry level graduates coming in to take others' jobs is perfectly adjacent considering my belief that in many cases those graduates are less likely to perform as well as those to whoms jobs have been taken away from them...
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I probably should have been more specific with my post. Medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. for the most part still turn out students that can function pretty well in those respective fields. Liberal Arts degrees are nice and used to provide a student with a well rounded education. If one does not teach, of what use is a degree in "Black History Studies"? I have a niece with a degree in "International Relations" from the U. California at Davis.
Sound impressive? She is a Flight Attendant, and the job does not require a degree. Another niece with a degree in "Interior Design" from another California Uni. working for a trucking firm as a dispatcher. I love em both, but they aren't really educated. I think that many kids that have been encouraged to go to college would have been better off going to trade, business or vocational college with a one or two year program.
Sound impressive? She is a Flight Attendant, and the job does not require a degree. Another niece with a degree in "Interior Design" from another California Uni. working for a trucking firm as a dispatcher. I love em both, but they aren't really educated. I think that many kids that have been encouraged to go to college would have been better off going to trade, business or vocational college with a one or two year program.
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Lon;950656 wrote: I probably should have been more specific with my post. Medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. for the most part still turn out students that can function pretty well in those respective fields. Liberal Arts degrees are nice and used to provide a student with a well rounded education. If one does not teach, of what use is a degree in "Black History Studies"? I have a niece with a degree in "International Relations" from the U. California at Davis.
Sound impressive? She is a Flight Attendant, and the job does not require a degree. Another niece with a degree in "Interior Design" from another California Uni. working for a trucking firm as a dispatcher. I love em both, but they aren't really educated. I think that many kids that have been encouraged to go to college would have been better off going to trade, business or vocational college with a one or two year program.
Indeed, because medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. are jobs that do not risk anything by the degradation of "entry level graduates"...medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. are career fields that make it mandatory for 8 year degrees, with the exception of accounting, but coming from someone who's best subject was math I can say that accounting does come particularly easy for peoples to whom are exceptional at math...If we were shooting out medicine, engineering, law, and accounting graduates then we'd have one hell of a smart society...You can't "pass" medicine, engineering, law, and accounting without it being indubitably known as to those graduates' competence with respect to their interests...
The more prestigious career areas will always keep a significant amount of respect because their integrity is something that cannot be fooled...
A college degree means everything...A college degree in most areas means nothing...Determining degrees that are needed and degrees that are not is the key to unbiased business perspective...Degrees are nothing but business ventures for colleges and privileges for students and because both entities don't share the same virtue the one with the authority wins out...The universities...
What's truly beneficial is for people to allow progression through their business only for those businesses to invest in their employees by puting them through college themselves...A hierarchy if you will...Now there's your true degree earning it's true worth...
The rest is just business.
Some fail and some prevail. It just so turns out that most college students are abysmally bad at business...
Sound impressive? She is a Flight Attendant, and the job does not require a degree. Another niece with a degree in "Interior Design" from another California Uni. working for a trucking firm as a dispatcher. I love em both, but they aren't really educated. I think that many kids that have been encouraged to go to college would have been better off going to trade, business or vocational college with a one or two year program.
Indeed, because medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. are jobs that do not risk anything by the degradation of "entry level graduates"...medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. are career fields that make it mandatory for 8 year degrees, with the exception of accounting, but coming from someone who's best subject was math I can say that accounting does come particularly easy for peoples to whom are exceptional at math...If we were shooting out medicine, engineering, law, and accounting graduates then we'd have one hell of a smart society...You can't "pass" medicine, engineering, law, and accounting without it being indubitably known as to those graduates' competence with respect to their interests...
The more prestigious career areas will always keep a significant amount of respect because their integrity is something that cannot be fooled...
A college degree means everything...A college degree in most areas means nothing...Determining degrees that are needed and degrees that are not is the key to unbiased business perspective...Degrees are nothing but business ventures for colleges and privileges for students and because both entities don't share the same virtue the one with the authority wins out...The universities...
What's truly beneficial is for people to allow progression through their business only for those businesses to invest in their employees by puting them through college themselves...A hierarchy if you will...Now there's your true degree earning it's true worth...
The rest is just business.
Some fail and some prevail. It just so turns out that most college students are abysmally bad at business...
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K.Snyder;950501 wrote: Well the post obviously isn't aimed at you on your behalf...
There are a significant amount of others who get a passing grade through their college courses when Rumble Rumpelstiltskin could have done better...
I personally could teach grades Kindergarten through 7 in math now without a college degree...So why would I have no chance in hell from gaining a job doing so?...Because it's demanded that people prove by college degree that they're more than capable of the work to which they're applying...But the emphasis is that colleges spit out students at the rate of your average butchers' shop without securing the fact that they've earned the degree in which they've received because colleges, the way they are, make more money off of more students attending each individual college or university upon which is romanticized by the fact that anyone can get a degree that figuratively means squat all for $4999.99/yr etc...etc...
But hey look at it this way,..at least you got to meet some new friends and get wasted to the point of supreme unconsciousness...I've never been waisted. so i'm just out of luck.
There are a significant amount of others who get a passing grade through their college courses when Rumble Rumpelstiltskin could have done better...
I personally could teach grades Kindergarten through 7 in math now without a college degree...So why would I have no chance in hell from gaining a job doing so?...Because it's demanded that people prove by college degree that they're more than capable of the work to which they're applying...But the emphasis is that colleges spit out students at the rate of your average butchers' shop without securing the fact that they've earned the degree in which they've received because colleges, the way they are, make more money off of more students attending each individual college or university upon which is romanticized by the fact that anyone can get a degree that figuratively means squat all for $4999.99/yr etc...etc...
But hey look at it this way,..at least you got to meet some new friends and get wasted to the point of supreme unconsciousness...I've never been waisted. so i'm just out of luck.
Smoke signals ftw!
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Lon;950656 wrote: I probably should have been more specific with my post. Medicine, engineering, law, accounting, etc. for the most part still turn out students that can function pretty well in those respective fields. Liberal Arts degrees are nice and used to provide a student with a well rounded education. If one does not teach, of what use is a degree in "Black History Studies"? I have a niece with a degree in "International Relations" from the U. California at Davis.
Sound impressive? She is a Flight Attendant, and the job does not require a degree. Another niece with a degree in "Interior Design" from another California Uni. working for a trucking firm as a dispatcher. I love em both, but they aren't really educated. I think that many kids that have been encouraged to go to college would have been better off going to trade, business or vocational college with a one or two year program.I guess your right in situations like that. I'm not sure what i'm going to be doing when i graduate. I plan to work in the film industry, but you don't really need a degree for that either... just talent, i guess which i do have. But I'm going to get more training in it and learn new things.
Sound impressive? She is a Flight Attendant, and the job does not require a degree. Another niece with a degree in "Interior Design" from another California Uni. working for a trucking firm as a dispatcher. I love em both, but they aren't really educated. I think that many kids that have been encouraged to go to college would have been better off going to trade, business or vocational college with a one or two year program.I guess your right in situations like that. I'm not sure what i'm going to be doing when i graduate. I plan to work in the film industry, but you don't really need a degree for that either... just talent, i guess which i do have. But I'm going to get more training in it and learn new things.
Smoke signals ftw!