Drug war and it's effects on children

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:59 pm

fuzzy butt;981458 wrote: this really made me think .

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/11/1100.html

Please read through it before commenting.

The most widely publicized failure the Drug War has perpetrated on our children is DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education). This program was conceived by Darryl Gates, the former police chief of Los Angeles, California, who was made infamous in the Rodney King beating trial and was later forced to resign under charges that he fostered and led a corrupt and gang-like police force which regularly engaged in racist actions against detainees.

DARE is implemented by armed police officer**'educators' in 70 percent of the United States' public schools. During the first day of DARE, children learn about the equipment their instructors carry on their belt-the revolver gets the most attention.

A dozen studies have found that students enrolled in DARE are no less likely to use drugs than those who are not enrolled in the program. In fact, a recent study conducted by Dr. Dennis Rosenbaum of the University of Illinois found that, "kids in the suburbs... who participated in DARE actually had significantly higher levels of drug use than suburban kids who did not get the DARE program." Despite these findings, the U.S. government spends millions of tax dollars on the DARE program each year. This generous subsidy ensures the implementation of DARE by local school districts regardless of the program's inability to teach kids to "resist drugs" and though the program may actually increase some children's drug use.

A complete waste of fed dollars in my eyes. They are going to try smoking pot and drinking and alot of people see it as "a right of passage". Kids are going to experiment, period and no matter what you tell them. You just have to try your best since you have probably been there/done that.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:29 pm

Hoss;981502 wrote: I didn't. And I don't need to try it to realize the damage it can cause.

I'm trying to say Hoss is kids are going to do these things no matter what progam the gov tries to teach them. I was trying to point out that if their parent's did it and I'm not saying we did, that talking to your child/children is a very important thing and I think we as the parent's can get the point across instead of some money being wasted on a cop showing up at school and scaring the crap out of them.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:52 pm

Hoss;981523 wrote: I agree police officers shouldn't be teachers; they should just enforce the laws. The school boards in both the surrounding towns teach manual defense classes to all teachers, it's mandatory. They do have cops on campuses here in all the Jr. High and High Schools, except for the religious schools. It seems that the religious schools have very little violence, if any at all.

Schools should teach knowledge and let the parents take care of imparting wisdom. Including sex education, drugs, alcohol, pornography, etc.

I was raised without the knowledge of specific drugs and I'm just fine using household cleaners as cleaners. :-3

My parents taught me about the habits, culture, and consequences that relate to drug use, so drugs never became a choice for me, it was just out of the question to think of.

thankyou hoss. The cop made no difference in my older daughter's life. They are going to experiment. Teens are teens. It really is up to the parent's to guide their children through life. We've been doing it for a couple of years and have lucked out and I really believe it's because we have sat them down and told them the birds/bees routine and the drugs/drinking routine.

I have always told my children, if me & dad can be open with you about life, then guess what, we will not have a problem with you talking about life. You will always know that you have an ear to babble into. And we will try our best to hear you out and give our advice. My children are really open to us and it feels greater than some cop scaring the p*ss out of them.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:08 pm

Hoss;981535 wrote: My dad had amnesty time with us kids. Right before we went to bed he would sit down next to the bed and ask us how our day went. It was our time to let him know anything heavy on our hearts that was a burden that we wanted to get rid of, if we were honest and told the whole truth about anything, even if it went bad for us then his promises was that there would be no punishment in terms of a spanking or restrictions. I can tell my dad anything and he listens to me. He's never shown anger to me. When I was a kid and did something wrong I knew my dad would help me through it, to this day he is the one man that I’d go to for advice first.

And isn't that the point dude. I think that is the ultimate payback regarding kids.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:29 pm

Hoss;981545 wrote: Paybacks? I'm supposed to pay him back?:-3

Paybacks with love and appreciation that mum & dad sat you down and explained it all. And I'm glad me & hub did it. Daughter got in no troubles this summer and she was the only one out of all of her friends who did not get in trouble.

I'm a firm believer if you talk to your children about life's up and downs, then they will respect you a whole lot better. And personally, it's because you know what your talking about and they will listen.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:43 pm

Hoss;981559 wrote: I believe that’s how it should work! We're all human we all make mistakes; I'm going show my children someday that I had to learn from mine and they will have to learn from theirs.

bingo! I really do believe that if you are open with your kids, the less trouble they will get into. And even if we don't always have night to night dinners with them, they know they can always talk to me and dads. We are very open with them. I'm very proud of my kids and we love them.