Thank you America.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:53 am

I'll admit I didn't vote for Obama (I didn't vote for McCain either) saying that, He is now my President and I will support him. Unless of course he take the U.S. in a direction I feel is wrong or un warranted. (Just as GWB did).

Congratulations President Barak Obama. Serve us well..

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:10 am

YZGI;1047924 wrote: I'll admit I didn't vote for Obama (I didn't vote for McCain either) saying that, He is now my President and I will support him. Unless of course he take the U.S. in a direction I feel is wrong or un warranted. (Just as GWB did).

Congratulations President Barak Obama. Serve us well.. just like i said WAIT AND SEE;)

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:00 am

southern yankee;1047567 wrote: The stock market here yesterday. was not impressed.

It's a minor point perhaps but the Stock market is on its way down for reasons entirely dissociated from the election of the new President, and I for one think it's a long way yet to tumble. There are reasons for revaluation beyond mere feel-good (or, I suppose, feel-bad).

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:12 am

spot;1047993 wrote: It's a minor point perhaps but the Stock market is on its way down for reasons entirely dissociated from the election of the new President, and I for one think it's a long way yet to tumble. There are reasons for revaluation beyond mere feel-good (or, I suppose, feel-bad). So wait and see

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:21 am

southern yankee;1048010 wrote: So wait and see

I'm sure we both shall but blaming your President-elect doesn't seem particularly fair. It's a process that started long before he was elected.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:23 am

No way, honeymoon over, from this day on I think we should blame him for everything, after all, it worked with Bush. :wah:

No, I agree, obviously wait and see, who here is advocating blind faith in anyone? I certainly wouldn't, no matter how clever or appealing they may seem.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:26 am

:yh_shamrk O'Bama! O'Bama! O'Bama:yh_shamrk

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:30 am

Obama is the President and not a miracle worker, i'm sure their wont be huge changes to be seen in 4 years but let's hope he puts lots of wheels in motion.

You cant expect him to do the impossible and wave a magic wand and all be hunky dory. I hope in 4 years time you guys that voted for him, still feel the pride and sense of freedom that you did since the 4th. I think its very exciting and I'm hoping it has a great impact on the UK too....

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:30 pm

Hoss;1047408 wrote: Second red note has nothing to do with any ones rights. I am glad people are happy again.

banning same sex marriages? That is taking away the rights of same sex couples???

Did I read this all wrong then??

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:32 pm

Chezzie;1048050 wrote: Obama is the President and not a miracle worker, i'm sure their wont be huge changes to be seen in 4 years but let's hope he puts lots of wheels in motion.

You cant expect him to do the impossible and wave a magic wand and all be hunky dory. I hope in 4 years time you guys that voted for him, still feel the pride and sense of freedom that you did since the 4th. I think its very exciting and I'm hoping it has a great impact on the UK too....

I think if you took a small sample of the world where a few countries were voicing their opinions perhaps one could say globally Obama is a good choice...??

Well maybe FG is just that small sampling I am speaking about.

And yes Chezz I have to agree with you here 110%

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:36 pm

minks;1048302 wrote: I think if you took a small sample of the world where a few countries were voicing their opinions perhaps one could say globally Obama is a good choice...??

Well maybe FG is just that small sampling I am speaking about.

And yes Chezz I have to agree with you here 110%

Most definitely, everyone I have spoken to here is pleased Obama won...The euphoric vibe i'm picking up is like a mexican wave sweeping across the seas..

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:46 pm

Chezzie;1048308 wrote: Most definitely, everyone I have spoken to here is pleased Obama won...The euphoric vibe i'm picking up is like a mexican wave sweeping across the seas..

Let's keep our fingers crossed that Mr Obama remains safe now.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:03 pm

minks;1048315 wrote: Let's keep our fingers crossed that Mr Obama remains safe now.

Theres a rumor going around that Obama wants part of Manitoba.

Is this going to become an issue ?

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:04 pm

Nomad;1048324 wrote: Theres a rumor going around that Obama wants part of Manitoba.

Is this going to become an issue ?

well I suggest he head east a little further and scoop Quebec I hear it's going for much cheaper and likely will be an easy sell

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:21 pm

minks;1048325 wrote: well I suggest he head east a little further and scoop Quebec I hear it's going for much cheaper and likely will be an easy sell

France has a prior claim. Ever since the Canadians cut de Gaulle's state visit short they've been scheming revenge. I reckon Quebec will be inside the EU within ten years.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:28 pm

minks;1048301 wrote: banning same sex marriages? That is taking away the rights of same sex couples???

Did I read this all wrong then?? you know i hope not. because if they are all ready married. how can a law take that away. you are, then your not?? STUPID:mad:

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:47 pm

Hoss;1048446 wrote: I think the whole up in arms excitement of him being black is a waste of energy. If John McCain were elected I wouldn't be up in arms excited that we elected a white man.For white Americans it's no big deal. For black Americans it's the most exciting thing to have happened since George Wallace lost the battle for the South to Lyndon Johnson and the civil rights movement.Let us rise to the call for freedom-loving blood that is in us and send our answer to the tyranny that clanks its chains upon the South. In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. That was 1963. I remember discussing it at school. I gave a class presentation on George Wallace and Curtis LeMay in my final year too.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:55 pm

southern yankee;1048459 wrote: you know i hope not. because if they are all ready married. how can a law take that away. you are, then your not?? STUPID:mad:
Blame the courts..........California voted it down once before and then a GOOD Ol liberal judge says they are ALL wrong....so the marriages began.

WHY? Because the courts tried to make law and were not doing what they are supposed to be doing...IE...Ruling on current law...:driving::driving:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:56 pm

spot;1048337 wrote: France has a prior claim. Ever since the Canadians cut de Gaulle's state visit short they've been scheming revenge. I reckon Quebec will be inside the EU within ten years.

That's sneaky Spot :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:14 pm

Hoss;1048490 wrote: The energy put into this is wasted, racism is a wasted emotion. I'm sorry that you all do not agree with me, but I'm really not excited about him being anything other than the wrong man for the job based on issues. If some voted for him just because he is black and that reason alone, then they are just as guilty of racism. Racism is a foolish notion. The sooner we forget the wrongs in the past and look to the future and view all humans as souls judged on their actions the sooner we can eliminate the race issue that detracts from the real issues. Race is one of the few issue that is best completely ignored.

I don't think you're competent to say any of that, you don't have a history of repression. To say that, you need first of all to be black. No white American has the right.

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:36 pm

Hoss;1048506 wrote: Phoey- that attitude perpetuates the hate.

Then the hate's deserved. Eventually it will be part of the past. It's not your call and it's not mine when that ought to happen.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:59 pm

Hoss;1048473 wrote: Yes, you must have. They never had the right granted to them in the first place.
they did in Ca. then changed their mind

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:10 pm

Galbally;1047392 wrote: Naughty spot. :rolleyes:
We have a different euphamism. :sneaky:

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:40 am

spot;1048495 wrote: I don't think you're competent to say any of that, you don't have a history of repression. To say that, you need first of all to be black. No white American has the right.

Spot, are you seriously suggesting that no White American is allowed to discuss the issue of race? Do you also believe that no English person should be allowed to comment on Irish history? Or that no German can discuss the holocaust? Total rubbish.

Post by **spot** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:07 am

Galbally;1048601 wrote: Spot, are you seriously suggesting that no White American is allowed to discuss the issue of race? Do you also believe that no English person should be allowed to comment on Irish history? Or that no German can discuss the holocaust? Total rubbish.

Good lord no, that would be foolishness.

What I said was that there's not a single word in Hoss's post which can be spoken by anybody who hasn't experienced it or been its victim. It's not their place to say any of those things. Of course he can discuss race and its issues. He can't say things like "the sooner we forget the wrongs in the past and look to the future" or "race is one of the few issue that is best completely ignored". Only a black American can suggest those things.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:08 am

spot;1048604 wrote: Good lord no, that would be foolishness.

What I said was that there's not a single word in Hoss's post which can be spoken by anybody who hasn't experienced it or been its victim. It's not their place to say any of those things. Of course he can discuss race and its issues.

Fair enough.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:10 am

Sheryl;1046406 wrote: Well I guess it's good that someone's happy, because this household isn't.
This household too....my son was going to go into the Navy, but re-thinking that now....

Hoss;1046423 wrote: I'm still in shock.

I haven't got a handle yet on what this means and I'm not the kind of guy that takes defeat so graciously when it means I may be forced to compromise my morals.

The direction President elect Barack Obama will take this country is the opposite direction of the road I travel on. But he is the Elected President, and I will defend his office. But I cannot agree with him.

I think Sir Hoppy is right. More abortions will happen, our rights will be dwindled away, he will increase our taxes, weaken a strong military and hand out billions a year to people who could probably help themselves but are too lazy to do so.

We will hear nothing but 'green' dogma, and we will never drill for domestic oil now, not under a democrat controlled Presidency and congress. And to top it all off the democrats handed themselves a blank 700 billion chunk of taxpayer’s money (borrowed tax payers money) for them to spend to get started with.

I must say that America made a very short sighted decision in electing Barack Obama. The democrat’s will hold ALL the power, in a representative government, which after being elected the people will have zero power for four years.

I feel like I have been set in a prison with a four year time lock on the door and fearfully wonder if they won't come back after four years and simply reset the time lock for four more.

The only bright side for this election is that CA voters passed a state constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. However I fully expect our attorney general Jerry Brown to find a way to block even that.

Very good post Hoss! I agree, I would add to it, but too tired!

Galbally, I respect you and your post was well written and I actually expected to see someone from another country to say something similar to what you wrote. I know that we are making history by what just happened, but it goes so much deeper than skin color and race. I know you know this and the last thing I would EVER do is insult your intellegence, that is not my intention at all...I just will state I think America just made a big mistake and only the future will tell at this point.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:18 am

Hoss;1048440 wrote: No I want freedom.

Freedom to choose what I want and who I want inside of state laws that govern common courtesies, protected by a federal system that protect my borders, and protects my god given rights as outlines in the Constitution, that’s not fascism or totalitarianism. It's just common sense.

Along with that I'd like not being forced to pay for social programs, that’s what charity is for. It's not the government’s responsibility to feed and clothe and give medical care for its citizens, the government should just give enough protection so individuals can make their own way in the world without allowing us to step on each other in the process.

There is a balance between the two sides.

For the last eight years the people who didn't agree with GW Bush and what he and his administration was doing have been expected to put up with it and accept that they lost the argument. Now they have exerted their collective voices to change things and it's your turn to accept you have lost the argument and there is an administration in place you fundamentally agree with. In four years time you can do it all again and try and persuade people. Somewhere in between you will all get along and find a balance between the two sides. You either have gradual change through the ballot box or rapid change through warfare. You have to get along with those you disagree with- being liberal in attitude means you are prepared to accept others can have different attitudes and beliefs to you and yet you can respect them. You've never struck me as being a narrow minded bigot. I suspect you're a closet liberal:sneaky:

Winston Churchill: It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:07 am

WonderWendy3;1048606 wrote: This household too....my son was going to go into the Navy, but re-thinking that now....

Very good post Hoss! I agree, I would add to it, but too tired!

Galbally, I respect you and your post was well written and I actually expected to see someone from another country to say something similar to what you wrote. I know that we are making history by what just happened, but it goes so much deeper than skin color and race. I know you know this and the last thing I would EVER do is insult your intellegence, that is not my intention at all...I just will state I think America just made a big mistake and only the future will tell at this point.

Of course thats completely your right to say so. :-6

I would echo what GMC said, in that many, many of your fellow Americans have been in despair during the Bush years (and some of the other recent presidents) in the direction that your country has been pushed.

Many even believed that he stole the 2000 election during all of that strange stuff that went on in Florida, but in the end they accepted it and got on with it, accepted he was the President for better or for worse, and they still owed the country their allegiance, with the hope that eventually they would be able to change things through the democractic process.

Some also feel that their voices have been drowned out in the shrill propaganda of war and big buisness, and desperatly wanted a change from that agenda. They have had their say, and now its their turn to have a shot at setting the agenda.

That's democracy; it is quite simply, the rule of the majority with the tacit consent of the minority. The tacit consent of the minority is just as important as the majority.

Like you said, it may prove to be a mistaken hope, and perhaps this president will be even more disasterous than the last one, but I doubt it, as it would be hard to match George Bush's record of failure.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:14 am

spot;1048481 wrote: For white Americans it's no big deal. For black Americans it's the most exciting thing to have happened since George Wallace lost the battle for the South to Lyndon Johnson and the civil rights movement.

No.

Incorrecto spocko.

For those of us who care deeply about seeing a United America it is a huge deal.

Chicken skin and tears in this house.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:27 am

Galbally;1048601 wrote: Spot, are you seriously suggesting that no White American is allowed to discuss the issue of race? Do you also believe that no English person should be allowed to comment on Irish history? Or that no German can discuss the holocaust? Total rubbish. My grandfather was forced into the Russian army. That is why he fled to The US. He told my dad that it was complete control. Mentally and physically. He risked his life to give his family a better life in the States. So i think whites do understand;)

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:44 am

southern yankee;1048719 wrote: My grandfather was forced into the Russian army. That is why he fled to The US. He told my dad that it was complete control. Mentally and physically. He risked his life to give his family a better life in the States. So i think whites do understand;)

There was a bit on the show 3 Rock last night. 2 characters were having a dispute. The black man declared his plight to be the plight of all plights.

The white woman was sure it was much more difficult being her than him.

The boss chimed in that being a white male was the most difficult task ever known to man.

Im sure theres a lesson in there.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:51 am

Nomad;1048723 wrote: There was a bit on the show 3 Rock last night. 2 characters were having a dispute. The black man declared his plight to be the plight of all plights.

The white woman was sure it was much more difficult being her than him.

The boss chimed in that being a white male was the most difficult task ever known to man.

Im sure theres a lesson in there.

most families have stories of oppression;)

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:01 am

southern yankee;1048719 wrote: My grandfather was forced into the Russian army. That is why he fled to The US. He told my dad that it was complete control. Mentally and physically. He risked his life to give his family a better life in the States. So i think whites do understand;)

Strange. My grandad on my dad's side was sent here as a boy, about 12 years old, I was told, to escape being forced into the army. Some of his family were in the Czech army then. A cousin was killed by a bear while in the army, believe it or not. Two men were in the mountains on some patrol.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:04 am

southern yankee;1048732 wrote: most families have stories of oppression;)

Yes and thats why this New Years resolution is to become the oppressor.

I will stomp right through 2009 with a burr up my ass like theres no tomorrow.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:05 am

hoppy;1048741 wrote: Strange. My grandad on my dad's side was sent here as a boy, about 12 years old, I was told, to escape being forced into the army. Some of his family were in the Czech army then. A cousin was killed by a bear while in the army, believe it or not. Two men were in the mountains on some patrol. Small world;)

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:15 am

Nomad;1048743 wrote: Yes and thats why this New Years resolution is to become the oppressor.

I will stomp right through 2009 with a burr up my ass like theres no tomorrow.
Small world;)

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:00 pm

Thanks for posting this thread Galbally. You touched my heart by doing so:-6

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:51 pm

Kathy Ellen;1049722 wrote: Thanks for posting this thread Galbally. You touched my heart by doing so:-6

You are welcome. :-6

Post by **spot** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:05 pm

Hoss;1049974 wrote: I can see from the outside looking in what needs to be done about racism, and it's not hard to see, it's very simple. I just can't do it for them.You might very much prefer the new world that would result if they did. You have no right to ask them to do it. It's they and their families who have suffered from it, not you and yours.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:26 pm

wildhorses;1047906 wrote: The racism "barrier" was broken many years ago. Like 20 years. If a black candidate had been offered Americans would have voted for him or her. I still think the "barrier" was in the nomination, not in the election itself.

I have to disagree...

Even Droopy Dog can run for President but capturing enough votes to become the next President of the United States makes one of the most extreme statements about our country every Presidential election. I don't believe I have to voice what statements have been made over this past Presidential election.

A morale, I know it, has rushed over African American communities and I couldn't be happier because of it.

Hopefully, we can take the longest step forward humanly possible in creating everlasting equality throughout the entire terrestrial planet of Planet Earth

and even beyond.