What Would Cause You To Leave?
What Would Cause You To Leave?
abbey, i am shocked you called any-one a scumbag. you were taken by the ranting & felt you had to say that to please the leaders, i never thought you to be a follower. scrat was sucked into a battle and he realizes that, this is what discussion/debate can lead to.
I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. :yh_beatup
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Agnes wrote: abbey, i am shocked you called any-one a scumbag. you were taken by the ranting & felt you had to say that to please the leaders, i never thought you to be a follower. scrat was sucked into a battle and he realizes that, this is what discussion/debate can lead to.
Agnes, i think you know by now that i don't write anything i don't mean :p
Agnes, i think you know by now that i don't write anything i don't mean :p
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Scrat wrote: So which is it? Am I a scumbag or not? 
I await your answer with baited breath.
I don't know you enough to give an answer to your question, as i've already said, calling you a scumbag was uncalled for.
The sentiment remains the same.
I await your answer with baited breath.
I don't know you enough to give an answer to your question, as i've already said, calling you a scumbag was uncalled for.
The sentiment remains the same.
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posted by scrat
Why do you think I am a socialist? Why do you think that I have socialist beliefs?
A couple of your posts got me wondering, obvioiusly you've been to Russia justwondered if you had fallen in love with the socialist ideal. Also your friend sounded like a drop out, hence my curiosity. Bear in mind I am not american calling you a socialist is not an insult-the next question would have been what kind. Land ownership is political here in Scotland-all land is feudal, theoretically the queen owns it all and can take it back althjough she might have a problem.
IF I were to leave America to live somewhere else I would live in an oblast (state) within a few hours drive of Moscow Russia. Byelgorod is one of the most beautiful cities on earth. Another good place would be Vyazma. Huge oak and pine forests, lakes, rivers and streams on rolling hills left by the glaciers. The butterflies, deer, moose, bears, bobcats, wild ponies and yes, the damn mosquitos.
They are beautiful people too. I will not hesitate to say better than my fellow Americans. Regardless of what you hear Russians do not eat their children in stews and are not starving in the streets or dying in hordes in abject poverty. They have a much simpler life in general. Something I bet no one here has not desired at one time or another. The vast majority of Russians value one another, not "things".
Any place you may choose to live more than likely will not have what America has to offer so if you must leave choose what you find too beautiful to resist. I would choose the place that I would want to live out my last days.
I know it will not be in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Washington. As soon as I have the dough or the gig I have now dries up, I will leave a flaming streak behind me as the highway rolls up like a carpet.
I think that Americans are not as free as they think they are, being "free" to slap down your credit card and go into debt to see the world isn't a good thing, debt is just another form of slavery and the vast majority of Americans CANNOT afford to travel freely around the world. Believe me when it comes to debt slavery Americans are numero uno there.
How many Americans actually realistically own their homes and land? Very few, most households in America are one paycheck away from losing everything. You own some land out in the country?
A deed for 100 acres? Do you really own it? That all depends on the politicians. They may pass a CAO (critical areas ordinance) that says you cannot touch 65 of those acres and you cannot build on more than a third of 1 of those 100 acres.
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Steel also. If you look deep enough you will find that a lot of Canadian and Australian companies dig coal and gold and copper here in America and hide the profits all over the world to avoid laws and taxes for the minerals they mine here in America.
Remember the Merchant Marine we used to have? It's all under different flags now to get around laws and paying taxes. I'll see what I can find.
Boy does that sound familiar, especially the last bit.
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People like George Bush, born with a golden spoon in their arse and no clue whatsoever how real people live. All politicians seem to be this way.
Oh yes except in the UK being more refined many are born with it in their mouths. Could this be why american politics are so confused-they are all talking out the wrong end
Why do you think I am a socialist? Why do you think that I have socialist beliefs?
A couple of your posts got me wondering, obvioiusly you've been to Russia justwondered if you had fallen in love with the socialist ideal. Also your friend sounded like a drop out, hence my curiosity. Bear in mind I am not american calling you a socialist is not an insult-the next question would have been what kind. Land ownership is political here in Scotland-all land is feudal, theoretically the queen owns it all and can take it back althjough she might have a problem.
IF I were to leave America to live somewhere else I would live in an oblast (state) within a few hours drive of Moscow Russia. Byelgorod is one of the most beautiful cities on earth. Another good place would be Vyazma. Huge oak and pine forests, lakes, rivers and streams on rolling hills left by the glaciers. The butterflies, deer, moose, bears, bobcats, wild ponies and yes, the damn mosquitos.
They are beautiful people too. I will not hesitate to say better than my fellow Americans. Regardless of what you hear Russians do not eat their children in stews and are not starving in the streets or dying in hordes in abject poverty. They have a much simpler life in general. Something I bet no one here has not desired at one time or another. The vast majority of Russians value one another, not "things".
Any place you may choose to live more than likely will not have what America has to offer so if you must leave choose what you find too beautiful to resist. I would choose the place that I would want to live out my last days.
I know it will not be in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Washington. As soon as I have the dough or the gig I have now dries up, I will leave a flaming streak behind me as the highway rolls up like a carpet.
I think that Americans are not as free as they think they are, being "free" to slap down your credit card and go into debt to see the world isn't a good thing, debt is just another form of slavery and the vast majority of Americans CANNOT afford to travel freely around the world. Believe me when it comes to debt slavery Americans are numero uno there.
How many Americans actually realistically own their homes and land? Very few, most households in America are one paycheck away from losing everything. You own some land out in the country?
A deed for 100 acres? Do you really own it? That all depends on the politicians. They may pass a CAO (critical areas ordinance) that says you cannot touch 65 of those acres and you cannot build on more than a third of 1 of those 100 acres.
posted by scrat
Steel also. If you look deep enough you will find that a lot of Canadian and Australian companies dig coal and gold and copper here in America and hide the profits all over the world to avoid laws and taxes for the minerals they mine here in America.
Remember the Merchant Marine we used to have? It's all under different flags now to get around laws and paying taxes. I'll see what I can find.
Boy does that sound familiar, especially the last bit.
Also posted by Scrat
People like George Bush, born with a golden spoon in their arse and no clue whatsoever how real people live. All politicians seem to be this way.
Oh yes except in the UK being more refined many are born with it in their mouths. Could this be why american politics are so confused-they are all talking out the wrong end
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I think some believe that if you do not embrace all things American, and you are a citizen, that you are supposed to exit the country. The point of this tactic is to end debate and dissent against the Bush Administration. It's an old tiring trick that was heavily used by the Reaganists. The right needs to find new tactics to ensure their one party state (The Party of God) becomes reality. They are so close!
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
President Dwight D. Eisenhower Nov. 08, 1954
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David813 wrote: I think some believe that if you do not embrace all things American, and you are a citizen, that you are supposed to exit the country.
Not at all! The American way is the vote of the majority, that alone implies dissent. On the other hand, when someone is against every ideal, every goal, every accomplishment of our country and it's systems, it naturally makes people wonder why they stay here. Are they masochistic?
I also have a problem with people that decry America, yet do nothing to change the way things are. If you don't like an administration, as you obviously don't, vote against it, campaign against it, even run for office yourself!
The point of this tactic is to end debate and dissent against the Bush Administration. It's an old tiring trick that was heavily used by the Reaganists. The right needs to find new tactics to ensure their one party state (The Party of God) becomes reality. They are so close!
I personally can't stand the Bush Administration. But now that the election is over, I return to being an American and going with the choice of the majority. To do differently is to disrespect democracy and the ideals of America. (You can bet, though, I'll be actively campaigning and voting in the next election.) Holding a grudge and moping around is counterproductive now. :rolleyes:
Not at all! The American way is the vote of the majority, that alone implies dissent. On the other hand, when someone is against every ideal, every goal, every accomplishment of our country and it's systems, it naturally makes people wonder why they stay here. Are they masochistic?
I also have a problem with people that decry America, yet do nothing to change the way things are. If you don't like an administration, as you obviously don't, vote against it, campaign against it, even run for office yourself!
The point of this tactic is to end debate and dissent against the Bush Administration. It's an old tiring trick that was heavily used by the Reaganists. The right needs to find new tactics to ensure their one party state (The Party of God) becomes reality. They are so close!
I personally can't stand the Bush Administration. But now that the election is over, I return to being an American and going with the choice of the majority. To do differently is to disrespect democracy and the ideals of America. (You can bet, though, I'll be actively campaigning and voting in the next election.) Holding a grudge and moping around is counterproductive now. :rolleyes:
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David813 wrote: I think some believe that if you do not embrace all things American, and you are a citizen, that you are supposed to exit the country. The point of this tactic is to end debate and dissent against the Bush Administration. It's an old tiring trick that was heavily used by the Reaganists. The right needs to find new tactics to ensure their one party state (The Party of God) becomes reality. They are so close!
come on, david, that's a load of hooey. if you've bothered reading this thread, it should be clear that nobody is saying you're 'supposed to leave', it's more 'put up or shut up' - if you're going to say that other countries are better than the US, then you ought to be planning on moving there, otherwise why stay where you aren't happy? never mind that the topic is entitled 'what woudl cause you to leave' - kind of sets the tone right there, doesn't it?
oh yes, everyone who challenges a whiner is implicitly interested in ending debate and dissent against the bush administration. right. that's why we've bothered engaging in debate for more than a hundred posts now. anyone who has said 'america isn't perfect' has been shouted down with 'get out!', is that what you're positing? pretty amazing claim, considering that anyone who has read this topic will see that that's absurd on its face.
why do you presume that those of us who are challenging the whiners are rightwing?
and enough with the nonsense about republicans being the 'party of god'. i get so bloody sick of that lie, promulgated by the left.
tell me oh far lefty: what president went to church nearly every sunday during his eight years as president, and just about once a month - maybe once every other month - newspapers from coast to coast would have a 'b' section, page 4 photo of the president and his family either entering or leaving church, a sweet little photo op, served up for the masses? and that same president invoked god routinely, and talked about 'praying for insight' etc on a regular basis.
why, it's that hero of the left, bill clinton! so, why is it that republicans are nothing but evil christian fundies if they mention god, but when bill clinton did it, it's okay?
come on, david, that's a load of hooey. if you've bothered reading this thread, it should be clear that nobody is saying you're 'supposed to leave', it's more 'put up or shut up' - if you're going to say that other countries are better than the US, then you ought to be planning on moving there, otherwise why stay where you aren't happy? never mind that the topic is entitled 'what woudl cause you to leave' - kind of sets the tone right there, doesn't it?
oh yes, everyone who challenges a whiner is implicitly interested in ending debate and dissent against the bush administration. right. that's why we've bothered engaging in debate for more than a hundred posts now. anyone who has said 'america isn't perfect' has been shouted down with 'get out!', is that what you're positing? pretty amazing claim, considering that anyone who has read this topic will see that that's absurd on its face.
why do you presume that those of us who are challenging the whiners are rightwing?
and enough with the nonsense about republicans being the 'party of god'. i get so bloody sick of that lie, promulgated by the left.
tell me oh far lefty: what president went to church nearly every sunday during his eight years as president, and just about once a month - maybe once every other month - newspapers from coast to coast would have a 'b' section, page 4 photo of the president and his family either entering or leaving church, a sweet little photo op, served up for the masses? and that same president invoked god routinely, and talked about 'praying for insight' etc on a regular basis.
why, it's that hero of the left, bill clinton! so, why is it that republicans are nothing but evil christian fundies if they mention god, but when bill clinton did it, it's okay?
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anastrophe wrote: come on, david, that's a load of hooey. if you've bothered reading this thread, it should be clear that nobody is saying you're 'supposed to leave', it's more 'put up or shut up' - if you're going to say that other countries are better than the US, then you ought to be planning on moving there, otherwise why stay where you aren't happy? never mind that the topic is entitled 'what woudl cause you to leave' - kind of sets the tone right there, doesn't it?
oh yes, everyone who challenges a whiner is implicitly interested in ending debate and dissent against the bush administration. right. that's why we've bothered engaging in debate for more than a hundred posts now. anyone who has said 'america isn't perfect' has been shouted down with 'get out!', is that what you're positing? pretty amazing claim, considering that anyone who has read this topic will see that that's absurd on its face.
why do you presume that those of us who are challenging the whiners are rightwing?
and enough with the nonsense about republicans being the 'party of god'. i get so bloody sick of that lie, promulgated by the left.
tell me oh far lefty: what president went to church nearly every sunday during his eight years as president, and just about once a month - maybe once every other month - newspapers from coast to coast would have a 'b' section, page 4 photo of the president and his family either entering or leaving church, a sweet little photo op, served up for the masses? and that same president invoked god routinely, and talked about 'praying for insight' etc on a regular basis.
why, it's that hero of the left, bill clinton! so, why is it that republicans are nothing but evil christian fundies if they mention god, but when bill clinton did it, it's okay?
Oh I do plan to whine till my throat is raw, as did the conservatives during centrist Christian Clinton's two terms. I embrace socialist ideas to implement a socialist America. Sure, I'm a minority but I will not give my ideas and beliefs up because Bush was re-elected. Attacking Republican policy is whining, so exempting your rightist friends and talk radio, Get Used to it!! www.themilitant.com may explain more than I have time to. I'm a slow typer at work and get as much in as I can. I vehemently believe whining is important now as it was under Christian Clinton's reign. Socialism is Alive and Well and without the corrupted shroud of the USSR our message is spreading faster, thru whining in the US and ruling nations in Asia, Latin America, Europe and Africa.
oh yes, everyone who challenges a whiner is implicitly interested in ending debate and dissent against the bush administration. right. that's why we've bothered engaging in debate for more than a hundred posts now. anyone who has said 'america isn't perfect' has been shouted down with 'get out!', is that what you're positing? pretty amazing claim, considering that anyone who has read this topic will see that that's absurd on its face.
why do you presume that those of us who are challenging the whiners are rightwing?
and enough with the nonsense about republicans being the 'party of god'. i get so bloody sick of that lie, promulgated by the left.
tell me oh far lefty: what president went to church nearly every sunday during his eight years as president, and just about once a month - maybe once every other month - newspapers from coast to coast would have a 'b' section, page 4 photo of the president and his family either entering or leaving church, a sweet little photo op, served up for the masses? and that same president invoked god routinely, and talked about 'praying for insight' etc on a regular basis.
why, it's that hero of the left, bill clinton! so, why is it that republicans are nothing but evil christian fundies if they mention god, but when bill clinton did it, it's okay?
Oh I do plan to whine till my throat is raw, as did the conservatives during centrist Christian Clinton's two terms. I embrace socialist ideas to implement a socialist America. Sure, I'm a minority but I will not give my ideas and beliefs up because Bush was re-elected. Attacking Republican policy is whining, so exempting your rightist friends and talk radio, Get Used to it!! www.themilitant.com may explain more than I have time to. I'm a slow typer at work and get as much in as I can. I vehemently believe whining is important now as it was under Christian Clinton's reign. Socialism is Alive and Well and without the corrupted shroud of the USSR our message is spreading faster, thru whining in the US and ruling nations in Asia, Latin America, Europe and Africa.
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
President Dwight D. Eisenhower Nov. 08, 1954
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Another thing; BILL CLINTON WAS NOT AND IS NOT A LIBERAL!!!!!!! HE WAS A RIGHTWING DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!! LIBERALISM DIED WITH THE JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!! THE DEMS ARE ESTABLISHMENT CAPITALISTS, NOT LIBERALS!!!!!!! :-5
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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David813 wrote: Oh I do plan to whine till my throat is raw, as did the conservatives during centrist Christian Clinton's two terms. I embrace socialist ideas to implement a socialist America. Sure, I'm a minority but I will not give my ideas and beliefs up because Bush was re-elected. Attacking Republican policy is whining, so exempting your rightist friends and talk radio, Get Used to it!! www.themilitant.com may explain more than I have time to. I'm a slow typer at work and get as much in as I can. I vehemently believe whining is important now as it was under Christian Clinton's reign. Socialism is Alive and Well and without the corrupted shroud of the USSR our message is spreading faster, thru whining in the US and ruling nations in Asia, Latin America, Europe and Africa.
nobody ever said it was against the law to have a rich fantasy life!
nobody ever said it was against the law to have a rich fantasy life!
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anastrophe wrote: nobody ever said it was against the law to have a rich fantasy life!
All of my fantasies are sexual so your baiting is ineffectual on this one.
All of my fantasies are sexual so your baiting is ineffectual on this one.
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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David813 wrote: Another thing; BILL CLINTON WAS NOT AND IS NOT A LIBERAL!!!!!!! HE WAS A RIGHTWING DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!! LIBERALISM DIED WITH THE JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!! THE DEMS ARE ESTABLISHMENT CAPITALISTS, NOT LIBERALS!!!!!!! :-5
ah yes, johnson. you do know when the now commonly re-used term 'quagmire' became popular? heck of a liberal.
you will never see the United States go to overt socialism. covert socialism, sure, we have that right now in many respects, but it will never be overt. too many people like me, who aren't either far right or far left, will have nothing to do with socialism - a fancy name for sanctioned thievery.
so yeah, you'll be busy :-5 for a loooong time. i'll make sure of it. socialism is a crock.
ah yes, johnson. you do know when the now commonly re-used term 'quagmire' became popular? heck of a liberal.
you will never see the United States go to overt socialism. covert socialism, sure, we have that right now in many respects, but it will never be overt. too many people like me, who aren't either far right or far left, will have nothing to do with socialism - a fancy name for sanctioned thievery.
so yeah, you'll be busy :-5 for a loooong time. i'll make sure of it. socialism is a crock.
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David813 wrote: All of my fantasies are sexual so your baiting is ineffectual on this one.
the longest surviving socialist experiment is cuba, as i recall.
explain to me why the boats go from cuba to america, rather than the other way around, if socialism is Alive and Well.
the longest surviving socialist experiment is cuba, as i recall.
explain to me why the boats go from cuba to america, rather than the other way around, if socialism is Alive and Well.
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anastrophe wrote: the longest surviving socialist experiment is cuba, as i recall.
explain to me why the boats go from cuba to america, rather than the other way around, if socialism is Alive and Well.
Contras and traitors, cowards and their families leave Cuba. There are many US citizens who now are Cuban citizens. Black militants, leftists, entertainers. Now let's look at capitalist Haiti, how many are leaving for Haiti? Voluntarily? Are you seriously not aware of the socialist governments across the globe? Come on Sonoma Co. Don't tell me you are that insulated from the rest of the planet out there!
explain to me why the boats go from cuba to america, rather than the other way around, if socialism is Alive and Well.
Contras and traitors, cowards and their families leave Cuba. There are many US citizens who now are Cuban citizens. Black militants, leftists, entertainers. Now let's look at capitalist Haiti, how many are leaving for Haiti? Voluntarily? Are you seriously not aware of the socialist governments across the globe? Come on Sonoma Co. Don't tell me you are that insulated from the rest of the planet out there!
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
President Dwight D. Eisenhower Nov. 08, 1954
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anastrophe wrote: ah yes, johnson. you do know when the now commonly re-used term 'quagmire' became popular? heck of a liberal.
you will never see the United States go to overt socialism. covert socialism, sure, we have that right now in many respects, but it will never be overt. too many people like me, who aren't either far right or far left, will have nothing to do with socialism - a fancy name for sanctioned thievery.
so yeah, you'll be busy :-5 for a loooong time. i'll make sure of it. socialism is a crock.
Why would you think I like liberals??? There is nothing liberal about a truly Marxist country. Your wing calls the REFORMERS for FREEEEDOM Liberals in Russia! Remember??? This country will never see socialism? We'll see I suppose won't we. Do you think we'll go back to your conservative ShangriLa of the Wild West? Of Robber Baronism? Government WILL get bigger and more powerful. It is only logical.
you will never see the United States go to overt socialism. covert socialism, sure, we have that right now in many respects, but it will never be overt. too many people like me, who aren't either far right or far left, will have nothing to do with socialism - a fancy name for sanctioned thievery.
so yeah, you'll be busy :-5 for a loooong time. i'll make sure of it. socialism is a crock.
Why would you think I like liberals??? There is nothing liberal about a truly Marxist country. Your wing calls the REFORMERS for FREEEEDOM Liberals in Russia! Remember??? This country will never see socialism? We'll see I suppose won't we. Do you think we'll go back to your conservative ShangriLa of the Wild West? Of Robber Baronism? Government WILL get bigger and more powerful. It is only logical.
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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David813 wrote: Contras and traitors, cowards and their families leave Cuba. There are many US citizens who now are Cuban citizens. Black militants, leftists, entertainers. Now let's look at capitalist Haiti, how many are leaving for Haiti? Voluntarily? Are you seriously not aware of the socialist governments across the globe? Come on Sonoma Co. Don't tell me you are that insulated from the rest of the planet out there!
how about listing them off for me? i won't pretend i spend a lot of time thinking about which nations are socialist. we know it's an experiment that's been tried, and failed. i'm sure you'll disagree. so list off those successful socialist nations okay?
oh - haiti - western half of the island of hispaniola. economically the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. dominican republic - eastern half of the island of hispaniola. one of the fastest growing economies in the western hemisphere.
apparently, capitalism is a null on the island of hispaniola.
how about listing them off for me? i won't pretend i spend a lot of time thinking about which nations are socialist. we know it's an experiment that's been tried, and failed. i'm sure you'll disagree. so list off those successful socialist nations okay?
oh - haiti - western half of the island of hispaniola. economically the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. dominican republic - eastern half of the island of hispaniola. one of the fastest growing economies in the western hemisphere.
apparently, capitalism is a null on the island of hispaniola.
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anastrophe wrote: so list off those successful socialist nations okay?
just for grins, list off the unsuccessful ones too. unless we're to believe that socialism is perfect.
just for grins, list off the unsuccessful ones too. unless we're to believe that socialism is perfect.
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David813 wrote: Why would you think I like liberals???
could you be a love and show me where i suggested you like liberals? thanks dear.
There is nothing liberal about a truly Marxist country.indeed. liberty is anathema in a marxist country.
Your wing calls the REFORMERS for FREEEEDOM Liberals in Russia! Remember??? This country will never see socialism? We'll see I suppose won't we. Do you think we'll go back to your conservative ShangriLa of the Wild West?
'my' conservative shangrila? what makes you think i'm a conservative?
Of Robber Baronism?
in a marxist society, the government are the robber barons. that's the only difference.
Government WILL get bigger and more powerful. It is only logical.
okay. this isn't exactly frontpage news. are you saying a marxist society won't have that problem? so what went wrong in the soviet union?
could you be a love and show me where i suggested you like liberals? thanks dear.
There is nothing liberal about a truly Marxist country.indeed. liberty is anathema in a marxist country.
Your wing calls the REFORMERS for FREEEEDOM Liberals in Russia! Remember??? This country will never see socialism? We'll see I suppose won't we. Do you think we'll go back to your conservative ShangriLa of the Wild West?
'my' conservative shangrila? what makes you think i'm a conservative?
Of Robber Baronism?
in a marxist society, the government are the robber barons. that's the only difference.
Government WILL get bigger and more powerful. It is only logical.
okay. this isn't exactly frontpage news. are you saying a marxist society won't have that problem? so what went wrong in the soviet union?
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anastrophe wrote: socialism - a fancy name for sanctioned thievery.
i must say i'm exceedingly pleased that you showed the wisdom not to contradict that. you're honest - at least by omission.
i must say i'm exceedingly pleased that you showed the wisdom not to contradict that. you're honest - at least by omission.
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COUNTRIES WITH FORMER SOVIET PARTY LEADERS STILL IN POWER OR HAVE BEEN 'ELECTED.' KAZAKHSTAN, TURKMENISTAN, UZBEKISTAN, TAJIKISTAN, BELARUS, MOLDOVA, AZERBAIJAN AND KYRGYSTAN. The last one exiled their leader and the party is weakened. Socialist countries; CUBA, LAOS, VIETNAM, MYANMAR, NORTH KOREA, BRAZIL, VENEZUELA, PARAGUAY, ECUADOR, GUYANA, CHILE, ARGENTINA, BOLIVIA, LIBYA, SYRIA, ALGERIA, MONGOLIA, ZIMBABWE, ETHIOPIA, CHINA, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, BULGARIA, ROMANIA, HUNGARY, LATVIA, ANGOLA, MOZAMBIQUE and SERBIA. Countries with large communist parties; Russia (2nd largest party) Ukraine, India and Nepal. The countries Scrat listed are some as well, though most are social democratic. The ones doing bad are listed. This is because of poverty stemming from colonialism, civil war and slavery. Now Mr. A tell me all this is a lie cooked up by the Marxist Princess herself Hillary Clinton and post a FOX NEWS link saying Rush agrees with you. Look them up.
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Scrat I agree; Anyone that argues with a conservative is doomed to end up as frustrated as one is arguing with a gas pump. They are always right and God is on their side. The left is dead and America will become even more capitalist & Christian than before. If it doesn't work their way they scream & pray for the Rapture! They are not accustomed to being shouted back at. The Dems are busy begging racist rednecks in the south for their votes so those of us without a bankrolled party must make at least as much noise and WHINING as the Biblebeating wackos did thru the 90's. Scream! Whine and SHOUT from the rooftops!! Their honeymoon will be over soon enough. :guitarist
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Scrat wrote: Just want to toss this into the mix here.
Kyrgyzstan was a west leaning democracy which in the past few years has been leaning closer to to Russia since about the year 2000.
Askar Akayev was little more than a despot trying to balance the influence of the west and Russia at great expense and suffering to the people there. In the last month the people have seen fit to rid themselves of this parasite and are definitely leaning closer to Russia although not willing to give up their independance. Akayev was forced to flee first to Tadjikistan then to Russia where he has been given 90 days to find another place to live or face arrest.
There are other countries that are leaning towards Russia. Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Trans Dneistre. The eastern Ukraine and Crimea are very likely to destabilize the Ukraine if Yushenko cannot keep his outlandish promises.
Belarus is converting to the ruble this winter and they will merge in the next few years. It will add a hell of a lot of industrial infrastructure to the Russian economy and place even more pressure on Ukraine to join the band as Russia rebuilds itself. With the merger of Belarus I strongly suspect Latvia and Lithuania will follow or remain neutral much like Finland. Estonia will remain neutral.
Russia has checked the expansion of the American empire in the mideast with Iran and Syria plus the debacle in Lebanon. France Russia and China trade in technology and resources almost freely and asre building the juggernaut that will wreck America in the next 20 years.
Right On Scrat. Those that believe our alleged Hyperpower status will last forever are in for some well deserved surprises over the next 20 years. I've said it before but China & Russia united will absolutely have the ability to smack down the smirking arrogance of US imperialism. Bush is speeding up the process rather well! Yushenko has to deliver or a violent fractured Ukraine will invite Russian involvement and a return to more realistic and socialist principles.
Kyrgyzstan was a west leaning democracy which in the past few years has been leaning closer to to Russia since about the year 2000.
Askar Akayev was little more than a despot trying to balance the influence of the west and Russia at great expense and suffering to the people there. In the last month the people have seen fit to rid themselves of this parasite and are definitely leaning closer to Russia although not willing to give up their independance. Akayev was forced to flee first to Tadjikistan then to Russia where he has been given 90 days to find another place to live or face arrest.
There are other countries that are leaning towards Russia. Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Trans Dneistre. The eastern Ukraine and Crimea are very likely to destabilize the Ukraine if Yushenko cannot keep his outlandish promises.
Belarus is converting to the ruble this winter and they will merge in the next few years. It will add a hell of a lot of industrial infrastructure to the Russian economy and place even more pressure on Ukraine to join the band as Russia rebuilds itself. With the merger of Belarus I strongly suspect Latvia and Lithuania will follow or remain neutral much like Finland. Estonia will remain neutral.
Russia has checked the expansion of the American empire in the mideast with Iran and Syria plus the debacle in Lebanon. France Russia and China trade in technology and resources almost freely and asre building the juggernaut that will wreck America in the next 20 years.
Right On Scrat. Those that believe our alleged Hyperpower status will last forever are in for some well deserved surprises over the next 20 years. I've said it before but China & Russia united will absolutely have the ability to smack down the smirking arrogance of US imperialism. Bush is speeding up the process rather well! Yushenko has to deliver or a violent fractured Ukraine will invite Russian involvement and a return to more realistic and socialist principles.
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Scrat wrote: I couldn't agree more. Instead of the arguing with the gas pump analogy I prefer to use the "begging the frog to get out of the slowly heating kettle of water" analogy.
They just look at you and grunt, it never changes.
I LOVE the frog and the kettle analogy!!! :wah: I say BOIL the Christian Right and convert their churches to gay bars! :guitarist
They just look at you and grunt, it never changes.
I LOVE the frog and the kettle analogy!!! :wah: I say BOIL the Christian Right and convert their churches to gay bars! :guitarist
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Scrat wrote: Abbey.
Thankyou. I feel privilaged.
The sentiment remains the same?
I think you are fraustrated. Wow. That was pretty friggin' rude to throw a person's apology back in their face.
WHy not be a better man and just say "Thanks, that was appreciated." I mean, cripes, she even said it twice.
Thankyou. I feel privilaged.
The sentiment remains the same?
I think you are fraustrated. Wow. That was pretty friggin' rude to throw a person's apology back in their face.
WHy not be a better man and just say "Thanks, that was appreciated." I mean, cripes, she even said it twice.
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David813 wrote: Now Mr. A tell me all this is a lie cooked up by the Marxist Princess herself Hillary Clinton
hillary clinton is a marxist? i didn't know that. i don't think that's the case actually.
and post a FOX NEWS linki don't watch fox news. or visit their website (any more regularly than i visit abcnews.com, cbsnews.com, etc, which is very rarely. i get most of my news from AP and reuters).
saying Rush agrees with you. Look them up.
sorry, i don't listen to Rush (limbaugh, i presume you're referring too).
sorry i don't fit your stereotypes.
hillary clinton is a marxist? i didn't know that. i don't think that's the case actually.
and post a FOX NEWS linki don't watch fox news. or visit their website (any more regularly than i visit abcnews.com, cbsnews.com, etc, which is very rarely. i get most of my news from AP and reuters).
saying Rush agrees with you. Look them up.
sorry, i don't listen to Rush (limbaugh, i presume you're referring too).
sorry i don't fit your stereotypes.
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Scrat wrote: Where will Gay people get married? Maybe the Church can just rent the place out on Friday and Saturday nights and then have the weddings on Sunday morning. They'd make a killing.
:wah:
They'd make a killing.:wah:
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David813 wrote: Scrat I agree; Anyone that argues with a conservative is doomed to end up as frustrated as one is arguing with a gas pump. They are always right and God is on their side. The left is dead and America will become even more capitalist & Christian than before. If it doesn't work their way they scream & pray for the Rapture! They are not accustomed to being shouted back at. The Dems are busy begging racist rednecks in the south for their votes so those of us without a bankrolled party must make at least as much noise and WHINING as the Biblebeating wackos did thru the 90's. Scream! Whine and SHOUT from the rooftops!! Their honeymoon will be over soon enough. :guitarist
wow. you are a remarkably bigoted person. are all your impressions of other people this comicbook-like?
wow. you are a remarkably bigoted person. are all your impressions of other people this comicbook-like?
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anastrophe wrote: hillary clinton is a marxist? i didn't know that. i don't think that's the case actually.
i don't watch fox news. or visit their website (any more regularly than i visit abcnews.com, cbsnews.com, etc, which is very rarely. i get most of my news from AP and reuters).
sorry, i don't listen to Rush (limbaugh, i presume you're referring too).
sorry i don't fit your stereotypes.
I hate being stereotyped as well.
i don't watch fox news. or visit their website (any more regularly than i visit abcnews.com, cbsnews.com, etc, which is very rarely. i get most of my news from AP and reuters).
sorry, i don't listen to Rush (limbaugh, i presume you're referring too).
sorry i don't fit your stereotypes.
I hate being stereotyped as well.
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Scrat wrote: The eastern Ukraine and Crimea are very likely to destabilize the Ukraine if Yushenko cannot keep his outlandish promises.
i'm curious. when the people - The People - rise up and make their voice known, in one of the largest demonstrations of popular Will in modern history, and pull down the corrupt existing government in the ukraine after a bogus election, and then sweep into office - in a legitimate vote - a west-leaning candidate - are we to understand that all those poor ukrainians are just deluded western-tainted patsies, they rose up with one voice only because they are stupid and greedy? so, the only legitimate revolution is one that sweeps into power socialists/communists? any other popular revolution is corrupt, or at best, misguided?
the juggernaut that will wreck America in the next 20 years.
my goodness, it sounds like that would make you pretty happy.
i'm curious. when the people - The People - rise up and make their voice known, in one of the largest demonstrations of popular Will in modern history, and pull down the corrupt existing government in the ukraine after a bogus election, and then sweep into office - in a legitimate vote - a west-leaning candidate - are we to understand that all those poor ukrainians are just deluded western-tainted patsies, they rose up with one voice only because they are stupid and greedy? so, the only legitimate revolution is one that sweeps into power socialists/communists? any other popular revolution is corrupt, or at best, misguided?
the juggernaut that will wreck America in the next 20 years.
my goodness, it sounds like that would make you pretty happy.
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anastrophe wrote: wow. you are a remarkably bigoted person. are all your impressions of other people this comicbook-like?
A, perhaps my encounters with Operation Rescue, Fred Phelp's church, the Klan, militia members, Meir Kahane supporters and Jerry Falwell like pastors have jaded my view of rightists. Hitler and Pinochet and Franco jaded me against the right as well. You have used Stalin, hippies and other generalizations to classify not only me but anyone that is unimpressed with God, Guns and Old Glory. I do not tolerate the intolerant. So yes. I AM a BIGOT! I HATE RIGHTWINGERS!!!!
A, perhaps my encounters with Operation Rescue, Fred Phelp's church, the Klan, militia members, Meir Kahane supporters and Jerry Falwell like pastors have jaded my view of rightists. Hitler and Pinochet and Franco jaded me against the right as well. You have used Stalin, hippies and other generalizations to classify not only me but anyone that is unimpressed with God, Guns and Old Glory. I do not tolerate the intolerant. So yes. I AM a BIGOT! I HATE RIGHTWINGERS!!!!
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David813 wrote: Right On Scrat. Those that believe our alleged Hyperpower status will last forever are in for some well deserved surprises over the next 20 years. I've said it before but China & Russia united will absolutely have the ability to smack down the smirking arrogance of US imperialism. Bush is speeding up the process rather well! Yushenko has to deliver or a violent fractured Ukraine will invite Russian involvement and a return to more realistic and socialist principles.
yup, you answered my just posed question. even if the massive, unequivocal Will of The People is to go 'western', it can't be legitimate or 'realistic'. yup. millions of ukrainians, who slumbered under the iron fist of russia for so long, pulled themselves out of it by purely popular will - again, The Will of The People - but they were, let's face it, wrong.
talk about smirking arrogance.
yup, you answered my just posed question. even if the massive, unequivocal Will of The People is to go 'western', it can't be legitimate or 'realistic'. yup. millions of ukrainians, who slumbered under the iron fist of russia for so long, pulled themselves out of it by purely popular will - again, The Will of The People - but they were, let's face it, wrong.
talk about smirking arrogance.
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David813 wrote: I LOVE the frog and the kettle analogy!!! :wah: I say BOIL the Christian Right and convert their churches to gay bars! :guitarist
see, i'd rather have a peaceful society, that doesn't boil the christian right - or anyone. and builds gay bars next to the churches without it bugging anyone.
but of course, you'd prefer to force your bigotry on everyone, no matter whether they like it or not. kill the christians, kill the republicans, kill anyone who doesn't agree with you!
see, i'd rather have a peaceful society, that doesn't boil the christian right - or anyone. and builds gay bars next to the churches without it bugging anyone.
but of course, you'd prefer to force your bigotry on everyone, no matter whether they like it or not. kill the christians, kill the republicans, kill anyone who doesn't agree with you!
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David813 wrote: I hate being stereotyped as well.
the difference is, you've said the things i've condemned you for. you're condemning me based on your stereotypes, rather than on what i've actually said.
the difference is, you've said the things i've condemned you for. you're condemning me based on your stereotypes, rather than on what i've actually said.
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anastrophe wrote: the difference is, you've said the things i've condemned you for. you're condemning me based on your stereotypes, rather than on what i've actually said.
for example, i challenge you to find anywhere that i've said 'all you communists ' or 'all you communists '. when you say stupid things, like burning down churches, that's what i attack. you however, just assume that i'm christian right-wing republican because i abhor the moldy pit of socialism and communism.
for example, i challenge you to find anywhere that i've said 'all you communists ' or 'all you communists '. when you say stupid things, like burning down churches, that's what i attack. you however, just assume that i'm christian right-wing republican because i abhor the moldy pit of socialism and communism.
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anastrophe wrote: see, i'd rather have a peaceful society, that doesn't boil the christian right - or anyone. and builds gay bars next to the churches without it bugging anyone.
but of course, you'd prefer to force your bigotry on everyone, no matter whether they like it or not. kill the christians, kill the republicans, kill anyone who doesn't agree with you!
A bit like a leftist listening to talk radio. It's time for the left to get loud and mad as hell! Not ACCOMODATE as the corporate Dems are doing.
but of course, you'd prefer to force your bigotry on everyone, no matter whether they like it or not. kill the christians, kill the republicans, kill anyone who doesn't agree with you!
A bit like a leftist listening to talk radio. It's time for the left to get loud and mad as hell! Not ACCOMODATE as the corporate Dems are doing.
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David813 wrote: A, perhaps my encounters with Operation Rescue, Fred Phelp's church, the Klan, militia members, Meir Kahane supporters and Jerry Falwell like pastors have jaded my view of rightists. Hitler and Pinochet and Franco jaded me against the right as well. You have used Stalin, hippies and other generalizations to classify not only me but anyone that is unimpressed with God, Guns and Old Glory. I do not tolerate the intolerant. So yes. I AM a BIGOT! I HATE RIGHTWINGERS!!!!
sorry, , nice try but you lose. show me where i've ever even used the work 'hippies'. what a crock. see, your bigotry makes you actually believe that i've said such things.
so, i've had unpleasant encounters with black people. i guess, using your mentality, i'd be justified in just classifying all blacks as lazy, shiftless, criminals.
bigotry is easy. in other words, it's the lazy man's way of viewing the world.
sorry, , nice try but you lose. show me where i've ever even used the work 'hippies'. what a crock. see, your bigotry makes you actually believe that i've said such things.
so, i've had unpleasant encounters with black people. i guess, using your mentality, i'd be justified in just classifying all blacks as lazy, shiftless, criminals.
bigotry is easy. in other words, it's the lazy man's way of viewing the world.
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'24' is on, so i gotta run! :yh_bigsmi
i'll leave y'all with a GREAT quote:
"'From Each according to his Abilities, To Each according to his Needs' is a pretty sweet deal, if you're a needy incompetent, but it makes a slave of the capable and independent. Advocating such a position says an awful lot about the individual who does so, and which side of the equation he expects to be on."
- Richard Chandler (10/15/04)
i'll leave y'all with a GREAT quote:
"'From Each according to his Abilities, To Each according to his Needs' is a pretty sweet deal, if you're a needy incompetent, but it makes a slave of the capable and independent. Advocating such a position says an awful lot about the individual who does so, and which side of the equation he expects to be on."
- Richard Chandler (10/15/04)
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anastrophe wrote: for example, i challenge you to find anywhere that i've said 'all you communists ' or 'all you communists '. when you say stupid things, like burning down churches, that's what i attack. you however, just assume that i'm christian right-wing republican because i abhor the moldy pit of socialism and communism.
Why are you so horrified of socialism??In the US it has played such a small role but unions, social security, public schools, separation of church & state, the Bill of Rights, medicare/medicaid, welfare, job training, the civil rights movement are all lambasted as SOCIALIST by rightists daily. They seek to and are destroying these gains that benefit the average worker, not the moldy stock exchange pit.
Why are you so horrified of socialism??In the US it has played such a small role but unions, social security, public schools, separation of church & state, the Bill of Rights, medicare/medicaid, welfare, job training, the civil rights movement are all lambasted as SOCIALIST by rightists daily. They seek to and are destroying these gains that benefit the average worker, not the moldy stock exchange pit.
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Scrat wrote: Of those millions of Ukrainians about 63% are divided between Donetsk Cossacks and Tartars, Crimean Cossacks and Tartars ethnic Russians and Volgan Cossacks.
They have a great affinity for Russia and are not currently looking favorably on Kiev. It seems Mrs Timoshenko has no aversion to taking money or giving it before DURING or after elections.
And just because someone says they are WESTERN does not mean it is good! Westernosis in the East doesn't work. Crush the Orange Treason.
They have a great affinity for Russia and are not currently looking favorably on Kiev. It seems Mrs Timoshenko has no aversion to taking money or giving it before DURING or after elections.
And just because someone says they are WESTERN does not mean it is good! Westernosis in the East doesn't work. Crush the Orange Treason.
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I AM a socialist. And A, I delete my history each night at the end of my shift. I DO recall the word hippie-loving etc. If not you then yet another rightist. A bigot is an uneducated racist. A redneck klantype. You like to toss about the well-earned labels of your wing to bait those that see the right and Christianity as an enemy. It's so old and done each minute on neo-Nazi talk radio. I may qualify as uneducated. I'm just a high school graduate. The only college I've done is organize socialist youth groups on campuses. Yes, KU has TWO commie groups and 7 other leftist groups! ANYONE that voted for Bush is an enemy of America, it's people and the world.
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Scrat wrote: You speak with a forked tongue.
You stereotyped me but in reality you don't know jack about me or my views. You see the world from inside a very small box.
I am not a socialist.
where did i say you were a socialist? the text you quoted was directed to david813. you know, it's a remarkable thing - the record of everything i've said, and that you and everyone else has said - is right here in glorious letters 'a' through 'z'. nothing is hidden.
so, you say i stereotyped you. show me. quote me. give me a post number. if i have - and i won't maintain that it's impossible that i've done so - have the balls to quote it, rather than just spewing it.
You stereotyped me but in reality you don't know jack about me or my views. You see the world from inside a very small box.
I am not a socialist.
where did i say you were a socialist? the text you quoted was directed to david813. you know, it's a remarkable thing - the record of everything i've said, and that you and everyone else has said - is right here in glorious letters 'a' through 'z'. nothing is hidden.
so, you say i stereotyped you. show me. quote me. give me a post number. if i have - and i won't maintain that it's impossible that i've done so - have the balls to quote it, rather than just spewing it.
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