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It's true for him Ahso! Hard to argue with a person's feelings. And Mickiel, when you say "This is another one of those times in my life that it seems God is not there." why don't you tell us what happened to make you feel this way? After all, you say "it seems" which can indicate you just might be wrong. Expound.

AnneBoleyn;1422451 wrote: It's true for him Ahso! Hard to argue with a person's feelings. And Mickiel, when you say "This is another one of those times in my life that it seems God is not there." why don't you tell us what happened to make you feel this way? After all, you say "it seems" which can indicate you just might be wrong. Expound.




I believe God exist, but I just grow tired of not knowing him personally. I grow tired of all the different religions, all the differing views; I grow tired of debating Christians and Atheist; I am done with it. Let others debate it.

I been doing it a very long time; and I am just tired.

Mickiel;1422478 wrote: I believe God exist, but I just grow tired of not knowing him personally. I grow tired of all the different religions, all the differing views; I grow tired of debating Christians and Atheist; I am done with it. Let others debate it.

I been doing it a very long time; and I am just tired.Why then do you begin and continue these threads? As I said earlier, it's probably a good time for you to let go of the crutch and take responsibility for yourself.

There is no good reason to debate Christians & atheists or anyone else. Especially if you are tired, that means "take a break". You don't have to be God's ambassador, take a rest.

AnneBoleyn;1422499 wrote: There is no good reason to debate Christians & atheists or anyone else. Especially if you are tired, that means "take a break". You don't have to be God's ambassador, take a rest.




You sure got that right Anne; I am finished doing those things; and I do need a rest.

Peace, Mickiel.

I'm glad I was able help you Mickiel.

Peace.

Mickiel;1387061 wrote: There are times in my life that it seems God is just not there. Empty void horrible times. Oh I have family and friends, but my heart longs for the unknown God! I write so much about God being real, and I long for that realness.

The God who hides himself.


Who created you & the whole universe ?



How can you believe in an invisible being (God) ? God is not a being. Perhaps you can stop believing in gravity since it's invisible. Otherwise I'd have to send YOU to a mental asylum!

whyask;1424158 wrote: Who created you & the whole universe ?



How can you believe in an invisible being (God) ? God is not a being. Perhaps you can stop believing in gravity since it's invisible. Otherwise I'd have to send YOU to a mental asylum!




I see no reason for you to insult me; I mean if you want to talk, we can talk; but I do not insult others, and do not like being insulted.

Mickiel;1424181 wrote: I see no reason for you to insult me; I mean if you want to talk, we can talk; but I do not insult others, and do not like being insulted.


No offense, Mickiel.

Humans longing and looking for God is no new thing, our history is full of it. I think science itself began as a search for God, religion began as a search for God; civilization began as a result from there being a concept of God in man's mind. Astrology began along these same lines;building began because of this search, altars were perhaps among the first things humans built.

God has been there, at least his influence; its just been hard for humans to have to live on this planet and not be able to see God.

At times it just seems like God is not there; In Isaiah 42:14 God himself states that he has kept silent for a long time, has kept himself still and restrained. What is God waiting on? Why is he holding himself back, he knows we all want to see him, know him, need him to reveal himself.

So I want to go into why God is holding himself back from humanity.

Isaiah 45:15, " Truly thou art a God who hides himself." Interesting that God does this; purposely keeps humans in the dark concerning him. Intentionally keeping archaeology from finding out too much about him, holding back science from discovering him, and just staying hidden from human sight. Why?

One of the mysterys of God, is God himself; he could place belief of his reality in every human mind at the same time; if he wanted to.

but he wants something else.

What does God want? In Job 23: 13, " But God is unique and who can turn him? What his soul desires that he does." Well, what does God desire? 1Tim. 2:3-4, " This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires that all men be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." God desires that every single human who has ever lived be saved, and that is what he will get; nothing can stop him from getting what he wants, because it is acceptable and good to him that all be saved. It is not acceptable to religion, religion is condemning most men, it is not acceptable to most believers in God, they are teaching limited salvation and some crazy eternal hell for humanity;

But God wants us all to be with him, and the tricks and condemnation of religion cannot change this biblical fact.

Interesting that God is not here on earth, but will come to earth himself and make it the center of an endless Kingdom of eternal Love. And we all will see this for ourselves; and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Our lives are not wasted; the suffering means something!

Mickiel;1429267 wrote: Isaiah 45:15, " Truly thou art a God who hides himself." Interesting that God does this; purposely keeps humans in the dark concerning him. Intentionally keeping archaeology from finding out too much about him, holding back science from discovering him, and just staying hidden from human sight. Why?


What kind of archaeological evidence do you think there can be? Speculate if necessary.

AnneBoleyn;1429601 wrote: What kind of archaeological evidence do you think there can be? Speculate if necessary.




The body of Christ for one, God made sure Jesus did not leave his body here. If we had that body, it would open a lot of things that are limited or closed. There could be archaeology that help proves the miracles in the bible, but that has been with held; if we had that it would have changed many things in history that God did not want changed. God could have revealed archaeology that proved where the garden of Eden was and gave human history the actual bodies of Adam and Eve, that would have changed history, imagine what science could have discovered examining the bodies of Adam, Eve or Christ? I mean the speculation of what could have been exposed is endless. But God does not want those things exposed, not yet.

The actual original ten commandments, which God wrote with his own hand on tablets of stone; if science had that, just think what they would learn.

The body of Lazarus who was raised from the dead and lived again; if they had his body what would we have discovered?

It may seem like God is not real and he is not here, mostly because he really is not here , but many believers in him just can't seem to understand that; they think their belief brings God to them; it does not. Oh God may send angels and his Spirit here, but he himself does not come; because when he does, chronic change will come with him.

Living without God is the hardest thing I have ever experienced in my life. Just being for real with myself and truly admitting that he is not in my life like I would want him to be; its a stunning reality of sad connotations. Oh he takes care of me and sees to a certain amount of things in my life, but I want what the bible states you can have in Christ. Well what do you do when you don't get that from God?

And I want to get into that reality.

Mickiel;1430105 wrote: Living without God is the hardest thing I have ever experienced in my life. Just being for real with myself and truly admitting that he is not in my life like I would want him to be; its a stunning reality of sad connotations. Oh he takes care of me and sees to a certain amount of things in my life, but I want what the bible states you can have in Christ. Well what do you do when you don't get that from God?

And I want to get into that reality.




Theres not really much you can do, especially if its God who is ignoring you or has you bent over. Look at Eccl. 7:13, " Consider the work of God, For who is able to straighten what he has bent?" This suggest that God will " Bend people", or handicap their lives. And it also suggest nobody can help a human in this situation. The human couldnot even straighten themselves out; trust me, I know what I am talking about. Hard as you try, you just will never get anywhere; every door will just keep getting shut. You are just really powerless.

There are just times when it seems God is not there; now this is coming from me, who " Knows that God is real and can be there when he wants to." There are a lot of Atheist who frequent this religious board, they no longer control it, but they still like to observe it. Now to them God is never there; now to me who believes, God is only there at times, and those times are rare. Now there are believers who talk like God is with them 24-7, all the time! I have never known such a God, nor have I ever had that experience with God or Christ.

Boy, that would be quite something! To know God and him walk with you every day!

Good Grief! Just the thought of it thrills me!

If you just set out to find God, just tell me, what would you do? Most would say go to a church; some would say find a minister; others would say pray.

If someone were to ask me, right now where I am with this, how do you find God?

I would honestly tell them you can't!

He has to find you.

Its real simple; the reason God is not there, is because he is not there.Is. 42:12 " I have kept silent for a long time; I have kept still and restrained myself."

Isaiah 1:15, " When you pray, I will hide my eyes from you, you may keep praying over and over again, but I will not listen; because your hands are covered with blood."

And he has his reasons for being silent toward humanity.

You can look at the relationship between Sunni and Shia, Black and White, North and South Korea, and this list can go on and on, showing how we handle our differences and choose to fight each other; this IS because God is not here!

We are living in the times that it seems like God is not there; I HATE to tell you, but he is not here! Where God is, there is Peace; there is no Peace on this earth, only in spots. And those spots are decreasing.

You can know God is not there when you pray for days, weeks, months and even years and he does not reveal himself; this is for those who are for real with this experience, not those who pacify themselves with false religious perception designed only to help them live in an illusion of having God, when you really don't, but don't have what it takes to admit it and accept it.

Few there are who can walk that path.

You CANNOT blame unbelievers in God, for God being absent in their lives; believers have GOT to come off of that error ridden tradition.

You have got to learn the truth behind unbelief; and you may not like it. Because that truth will take away your excuse for judging them so harshly.

If God is not in a persons life, it is NOT because of the person, which is traditionally thought; its ONLY because of God! If God wants to be in a humans life, there would be absolutely nothing that human could do to stop that. Nothing! If you don't believe in God, then your just not supposed to now.

He will be there when he is ready.

Well what if you don;'t want that? Will God change your mind or force himself on you?

No, he will just reveal himself to you, and the natural result of that will just naturally take its place.

At times it seems like God is not there, and the numbers of people who don't want him there are growing; they are growing as a result of him not being here.

As a believer in God, I know from experience there are plenty of times it will seem like he is not there. Plenty. And you never seem to get used to that. You hear some believers say God is always there; well in one sense he is, yet in other just as real senses he is not. So it depends how you want your conscious mind to live; in a certain reality, or a certain illusion.

Technology has nothing to do with God not being here; it has nothing to do with religion; science has nothing to do with God not being here; it has nothing to do with you!

It just is what it is, God is being God; and he will be where he will be.

Hey, what can I say; God not being here, we just have to hold on to believe in him, even if we must die without knowing or meeting him.

It may seem like a waste of time; but I truly sense it is not.

Its obvious to me that God is not here on earth, and its just as obvious that religion cannot bring him here, or seduce people into believing that he is here- by using rational scriptures, because the word will show he is not here if looked at in truth.

And this world is suffering BECAUSE he is not here!

The world is confused " Because" God is not here;

We are overwhelmed with diverse opinions about God " Because" he is not here;

We are weak " Because" God is not here;

We are targets " Because" God is not here;

We are spiritually blind " Because" God is not here;

We are easily deceived :Because he simply is not on earth.

I am so curious to see how God gets his results from our suffering and being without him. I just know and believe its going to be eternally beneficial to all of us; but just how, totally escapes my understanding. We are not suffering for nothing; SOMETHING about it, something about us having to live without God, will be cultivating in eternity. I just can't get to it now. But just knowing a little bit about how God is, this pain will be useful in ways we just can't now imagine.

At times it seems like God is not here, because he simply is not here, and Atheist can even sense that. Some Christians have to pacify themselves into thinking that God is here, because they need that crutch;

but he's not here;

but he'll be back!

...just not today.

God does not exist in certain human minds, because his influence has turned that mind off from him; but that mind is predestined to be turned on. Reality is as simple as that.

It seems like God is not here, or does not exist, because he does not exist in human consciousness as deep as he could choose too; as for now he would rather be a passing thought;

he could rank himself number one in every human consciousness, if he wanted to; and one day he will;

just not today...

Mickiel;1387061 wrote: There are times in my life that it seems God is just not there. Empty void horrible times. Oh I have family and friends, but my heart longs for the unknown God! I write so much about God being real, and I long for that realness.

The God who hides himself.


Jesus would chastise you for staying without instead of going within.



Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1444502 wrote: Jesus would chastise you for staying without instead of going within.



Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Regards

DL




I been chastised before by Jesus and God, that I don't mind; I just don't like being chastized by people.

Mickiel;1444567 wrote: I been chastised before by Jesus and God, that I don't mind; I just don't like being chastized by people.


If you do not like correction, then you do not like to learn. That is typical with idol worshipers. That is why the church tried to control learning in the past and still likes to dumb down the flock today.

You must need a lot of work.

Jesus only talked to me the one time many years ago and I guess I have not needed anything lately.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1444619 wrote: If you do not like correction, then you do not like to learn. That is typical with idol worshipers. That is why the church tried to control learning in the past and still likes to dumb down the flock today.

You must need a lot of work.

Jesus only talked to me the one time many years ago and I guess I have not needed anything lately.

Regards

DL




Jesus has never spoken to me, neither has God; and I am not a member of any flock; I do not attend church, I walk alone in my belief.

And I totally disagree with you; I like to learn, but I do not have to like the way I learn things. I learned to stop smoking, but I did not like the way I had to learn that. I learned to stop drinking, but I certainly did not like the way I had to learn that.

Mickiel;1444624 wrote: Jesus has never spoken to me, neither has God;


"I been chastised before by Jesus and God, that I don't mind;"

Then learn to express yourself more clearly or we will just be wasting our time clearing up what you say.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1444633 wrote: "I been chastised before by Jesus and God, that I don't mind;"

Then learn to express yourself more clearly or we will just be wasting our time clearing up what you say.

Regards

DL




I suggest that you ignore what I say, then you don't have to clear it up. Why waste your time?

Mickiel;1444651 wrote: I suggest that you ignore what I say, then you don't have to clear it up. Why waste your time?


I do as scriptures bid me do and show my love for you.

Proverbs 3:12

For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

nazareth love hurts (1976) - YouTube

You are letting yourself be overcome by what you mistakenly think is evil, while in fact I am here to save you.

Romans 12:21

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Follow your scripture you poor lost soul.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1444658 wrote: I do as scriptures bid me do and show my love for you.

Proverbs 3:12

For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

nazareth love hurts (1976) - YouTube

You are letting yourself be overcome by what you mistakenly think is evil, while in fact I am here to save you.

Romans 12:21

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Follow your scripture you poor lost soul.

Regards

DL


My only response to this, is that I certainly will not follow you; or any other human.

Save yourself; I am content walking alone.

At times it seems like God is not here; its because he is not; that's why many people are gaining the courage to speak out against God;

they kind of feel safe doing it;

MAN are they WAYYYY off base in reality!

Mickiel;1444804 wrote: At times it seems like God is not here; its because he is not; that's why many people are gaining the courage to speak out against God;

they kind of feel safe doing it;

MAN are they WAYYYY off base in reality!


While you live with your Stockholm syndrome.

Your foolish reality includes talking animals and that is not good for you.

Do try to think like an adult.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1445304 wrote: While you live with your Stockholm syndrome.

Your foolish reality includes talking animals and that is not good for you.

Do try to think like an adult.

Regards

DL


I am curious about your insults; you call me foolish; you insinuate that I am childish; now I would like those who claim I shut people off and do not discuss things with them; to explain to me why I should continue talking to you while you insult me; its as if they complettely ignore people doing this to me, expect me to ignore it and tolerate it, and yet they seem puzzled as to why I eventually stop taking the insults?

Go figure??

Its because they lust for their criticism about me not discussing things to be true; but they MUST ignore the insults in order to pacify their criticism.

Interesting deception that they live in.

Again. Talking to yourself.

Regards

DL