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Lulu2;476691 wrote: When is the line crossed?



When someone betrays trust....when someone starts trouble for malicious purposes...when someone plots revenge for past "slights," using the emotions of others who have no knowledge of the "real" agenda... when someone attracts trolls from other boards to back up their plan, etc. When someone who HAS an agenda (even a commercial one) deliberately stirs a pot which, left alone, might cool.





These are instances of "when the line is crossed."



As someone who HAS no agenda for/against anyone who posts here, I've been truly sickened at the perfidy and deviousness I've seen this past week.



There are some posters here who should be ashamed of themselves...I'm certainly ashamed of them. You know who you are, whether or not you admit it publicly. Your position of moral and intellectual superiority is ludicrous.



When I first came to FG, I was impressed by the good feelings and fellowship I thought I'd found.



Silly me.



Luckily, there are far more people of good intentions and meaning than those few who lurk in resentment and live only to prove their "superior intellect" and verbosity. Those are the ones who make this forum worth time and attention.




Actually this spanks of sanctimoniousness. :thinking:
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DesignerGal wrote: I think its only a problem when someone has to run back and tattle. And bringing it to the board is lame.There's the mistake.

There's enough people reading "When Is The Line Crossed?" for the message to be spelled out.

The people concerned - and there's plenty of them - know these breaches of personal confidence have been going on for years. You know it because you've had them. You're all keeping quiet about it, one by one, but you each know from personal experience.

What you haven't thought through is that while the PM/email distributor - and again, you each know from experience who it is - has been breaking confidences to you about others, the absolute certainty is that she's been doing the same to others about you. If you really can't grasp that simple obvious fact then you're willfully ignoring reality.

When Is The Line Crossed? When you get the first of them and you don't make it stop. The line was crossed for each of you a long time ago.

Each of you has a simple way to end it. If you've had this sort of thing sent to you - not one or two, but a stream of them laughing at people behind their back - just try to think of a single reason why you're not the subject of the ones you don't see. Then add to the thread here. It's called coming out. It's said to be liberating, it might even put an end to the rancour on FG for a while.

Nobody needs to say what they've heard or who it was about. Just the practice, so we can put it behind us. Or is the fear too great to take a positive step like that?
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the absolute certainty is that she's been doing the same to others about you.



It wont...but that should about wrap it right up !
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spot;476698 wrote: There's the mistake.

What you haven't thought through is that while the PM/email distributor - and again, you each know from experience who it is - has been breaking confidences to you about others, the absolute certainty is that she's been doing the same to others about you. If you really can't grasp that simple obvious fact then you're willfully ignoring reality.




Ok, spot, since you bring this up, let me ask koan if she might allow me to post the pm she sent me earlier today? It turned out that she was incorrect in the accusation she offered about "Elsie" and me. Would that be the personal experience you are talking about? The one that didnt happen? Hmmmmm.



Edited to add: she went to find the proof of her statement and as it turns out she was wrong and she admitted it. So what do you say koan? May I post it here?






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The ones screaming the loudest ? You havent got a clue. My best advice would be to reconsider your loyalty.
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You bet I'm a group member, Nomad! As I understood it, groups were formed to serve as a sort of group private message forum. Groups of people discussed events which they found amusing or frustrating....groups of people discussed anything they wished to discuss.

It would appear that someone shared information about private discussions in a group with you and you chose to betray that person's privacy and post an extraordinarily judgemental post on the general board....with the undoubted intention of causing trouble.

One can only guess at your motives. I've thought about them and cannot find a single positive reason for what you did.

And, frankly, I don't care. The person who shared these private discussions with you possibly thought you would find them amusing and you did not. The person who shared these private discussions with you possibly thought of you as a friend, and you do not.

What you HAVE demonstrated is a complete lack of veracity, capability for trust or respect. Respond with more adjectives, if you will, since you seem determined to spew venom on everyone involved in any small or large aspect of the private groups.

I will not respond back to you. There's no adequate defense for what you've done.
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Lulu2;476703 wrote: You bet I'm a group member, Nomad! As I understood it, groups were formed to serve as a sort of group private message forum. Groups of people discussed events which they found amusing or frustrating....groups of people discussed anything they wished to discuss.

It would appear that someone shared information about private discussions in a group with you and you chose to betray that person's privacy and post an extraordinarily judgemental post on the general board....with the undoubted intention of causing trouble.

One can only guess at your motives. I've thought about them and cannot find a single positive reason for what you did.

And, frankly, I don't care. The person who shared these private discussions with you possibly thought you would find them amusing and you did not. The person who shared these private discussions with you possibly thought of you as a friend, and you do not.

What you HAVE demonstrated is a complete lack of veracity capability for trust or respect.


And she also sent all of us an email explaining her actions and admitted she was wrong. She also said she was fine with whatever "punishment" we decided to dole out. I find that rather respectful and brave.






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And, frankly, I don't care. The person who shared these private discussions with you possibly thought you would find them amusing and you did not. The person who shared these private discussions with you possibly thought of you as a friend, and you do not.

What you HAVE demonstrated is a complete lack of veracity, capability for trust or respect. Respond with more adjectives, if you will, since you seem determined to spew venom on everyone involved in any small or large aspect of the private groups.





Yikes !:eek:

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and other cool pirate stuff :D

I can live with that. ;)
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DesignerGal;476704 wrote: And she also sent all of us an email explaining her actions and admitted she was wrong. She also said she was fine with whatever "punishment" we decided to dole out. I find that rather respectful and brave.




You still dont have a clue.
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let me make a remark here. i have gotten pms from some people letting me know that bad things were said about me in the faint hearted group. i do not care. what ever........dont want to see it, or read it. i might be dumb , and yes, i can do some dumb things but i am not so dumb to get all bent out of shape because of what someone else thinks of me.......i am bigger than that.

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Lulu2;476691 wrote: When is the line crossed?

When someone betrays trust....when someone starts trouble for malicious purposes...when someone plots revenge for past "slights," using the emotions of others who have no knowledge of the "real" agenda... when someone attracts trolls from other boards to back up their plan, etc. When someone who HAS an agenda (even a commercial one) deliberately stirs a pot which, left alone, might cool.



These are instances of "when the line is crossed."

As someone who HAS no agenda for/against anyone who posts here, I've been truly sickened at the perfidy and deviousness I've seen this past week.

There are some posters here who should be ashamed of themselves...I'm certainly ashamed of them. You know who you are, whether or not you admit it publicly. Your position of moral and intellectual superiority is ludicrous.

When I first came to FG, I was impressed by the good feelings and fellowship I thought I'd found.

Silly me.

Luckily, there are far more people of good intentions and meaning than those few who lurk in resentment and live only to prove their "superior intellect" and verbosity. Those are the ones who make this forum worth time and attention.


A simple point, well made. From what I have seen here over the last week I am can only say I agree. I want to leave this alone now, I've not gotten involved in what went on, and I don't have any comment to make on it specifically at the minute. Though if some of the hosiltity and abuse continues to go on I certainly will say something, not becuase I am one side of something (whatever is is?:thinking: ) or another, but because like many other neutrals in here, I was shocked by how vitriolic what were once seeming normal personality clashes have become. The specifics do not interest, me, I'm not a journalist, but the outcomes do interest me as it makes life in here harder for the rest of us when people are at each others throats continually.
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Nomad;476709 wrote: You still dont have a clue.


Then why dont you fill us ALL in?






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DesignerGal;476712 wrote: Then why dont you fill us ALL in?




Then I would be them wouldnt I ?
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DesignerGal;476701 wrote: Ok, spot, since you bring this up, let me ask koan if she might allow me to post the pm she sent me earlier today? It turned out that she was incorrect in the accusation she offered about "Elsie" and me. Would that be the personal experience you are talking about? The one that didnt happen? Hmmmmm.



Edited to add: she went to find the proof of her statement and as it turns out she was wrong and she admitted it. So what do you say koan? May I post it here?


If I gave you permission it would violate the privacy of someone else because the emails do exist and they were about someone else who isn't here to give permission. If you want to post it then I have the right to defend. The fact is simple:

It did happen.

Chances are near 100% that someone else has the emails about you on their hard drive. One who betrays any betrays all. There is no one sacred. Live and learn. That is the important point that you and the others are failing to see.

what the hell. here she be:

koan wrote: [QUOTE=DesignerGal][QUOTE=koan]when you first started talking with [name deleted] (back when she and I were mods) she sent me copies of all your emails about being beat up and asked me what she should do because she couldn't handle everyone telling them their problems all the time.

She forwarded every single email you sent her to me until I insisted she stop because it violated your privacy.

nice friends you've got.


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I remembered it as you.

I'm currently trying to get the emails all off my old hard drive. They exist just got the wrong name. It's still what happens... as Nomad explained.

The last statement still stands.


koan wrote: got em. yup. sorry. it was [name deleted]
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Nomad;476716 wrote: Then I would be them wouldnt I ?


I thought that is what you might say.

If any of you want to tell me that "Elsie" talks mad $hit about me, then you will have to prove it. Show me in writing. Otherwise Im not taking the bait.

Koan already came to me with this lame bullcrap and what she thought was "Elsie" talking about me was WRONG/OFF BASE/WAY OFF. It wasnt me.

Sorry.






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Nomad;476700 wrote: the absolute certainty is that she's been doing the same to others about you.



It wont...but that should about wrap it right up !


Yeah,... what Nomad said.
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Let me remind you here that continuing this post is merely feeding the trolls, friends. Just feeding the trolls.
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koan;476723 wrote: If I gave you permission it would violate the privacy of someone else because the emails do exist and they were about someone else who isn't here to give permission. If you want to post it then I have the right to defend. The fact is simple:

It did happen.

Chances are near 100% that someone else has the emails about you on their hard drive. One who betrays any betrays all. There is no one sacred. Live and learn. That is the important point that you and the others are failing to see.

what the hell. here she be:


Like I said. Show me in writing before I take the bait.






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Lulu2;476726 wrote: Let me remind you here that continuing this post is merely feeding the trolls, friends. Just feeding the trolls.






Ummm...your steam doesnt count ? poop doesnt stink ? whatever
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flopstock;476727 wrote: 6, count them 6 sylables... may be a forum record..:D




I had to lay down after that
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Nomad;476731 wrote: I had to lay down after that


aren't you forgetting monk :thinking:
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Sheryl;476733 wrote: aren't you forgetting monk :thinking:




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I bet theyre having a session now :yh_giggle a super duper secret one :eek:
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Well i just dont know who to trust anymore :confused:
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Novelty;476748 wrote: You can trust me :-4
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What I would do if I were them would be to secretly pm everyone and say..."psst hey, everyone come in the group and we will just never come out. We can be really diabolical and they will miss us really really bad." Then Id say "that will show them !"

And Id make my face go like this when I did it. :sneaky:
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flopstock;476759 wrote: You just stay away from 'my' games girlie...and we'll get along just fine..:sneaky: :wah:
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I wonder if its like this in there ? yuk yuk :wah:

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At one time I thought I was using forums way too much. It was a year ago. Now I try to limit my use. I don't get on a forum for more than an hour I think. As I have much to do. But I fear that if I had my own computer connected in my own place, that I would go back to being an Internet addict.

So I guess I have not answered the thread question.

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Nomad;476782 wrote: I wonder if its like this in there ? yuk yuk :wah:


actually.........thats me and my friends sneaking up on you in your sleep nomad..............:wah:
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Saffron;476791 wrote: At one time I thought I was using forums way too much. It was a year ago. Now I try to limit my use. I don't get on a forum for more than an hour I think. As I have much to do. But I feat that if I had my own computer connected in my own place, that I would go back to being an Internet addict.



So I guess I have not answered the thread question.



:(




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I am going to post without reading the entire thread. I know I am a Virtual newbie. I am not into any groups. When I first saw tombstones group,I joined, for no other reason than to see if I was missing something. I realize that people have problems with others but for crying outloud this is crazy. I really have no problem with anyone I have met here. I aspire to be as funny and witty as nomad. I wish I was as well read as koan and spot ( even though I dont agree with them most of the time I still respect them most of the time.) Saying this, I just want to be my flippant self and hope the posters I enjoy continue to post here. I usually have fun reading this drama and actually still do. But I would hate to lose members that I have come to respect and enjoy over this. JMO:cool:
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Nomad;476795 wrote: Stick with that regimen Saff. Trust me.


Yeah, when I finally get my own place again, I think I'll be working too much to be on the Internet. Either working or sleeping.

Sometimes I get on it during class time. But the teacher called myself and 2 other guys "the Internet club". Oh boy. :wah:
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Oh sorry I meant to say Nomad the the invinceable.:wah:
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Saffron;476803 wrote: Yeah, when I finally get my own place again, I think I'll be working too much to be on the Internet. Either working or sleeping.



Sometimes I get it on during class time. But the teacher called myself and 2 other guys "the Internet club". Oh boy. :wah:






You get it on during class ? :-3
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29 members???:eek:

What do you guys call what koan did? She juts now decides to tell me about some proposed back-stabbing going on from LC about me when it apparently happened when I joined (over a yera ago!)? Maybe a little vindictive?






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I'm really sad about all the stuff that's happened. I've lost one FGer too who I regarded as a friend.

Private groups and open forums.

I've never seen the point of non-private groups. We have public threads (or could have) to cover anything that is now being done in these groups.

Years ago, when the Virtual Irish Pub, was in its first incarnation, a bunch of people from many countries interested in various aspects of information technology slowly got together. At first we all talked work and helped each other in this new field, then we emailed and spoke on the telephone, started to get friendly. Trolls (and a few ill willed members) hit our chat group on a regular basis and eventually I began a private area for the group. We called ourselves Rogues. The space was not used to discuss other people, though that occasionally came up. It was where we felt we could let off general steam, talk about private things we didn't want to have in open forum - like family problems, family joys, personal stuff... We all trusted each other. Many of us have met, stayed with each other, travelled about together, helped each other through some tough times. Two of that group came over here with me.

I view a Forum as a big public lounge room / cafe / pub. Lots of space for all to get together, and the people who frequent the public bar and the people who prefer a quiet cafe etc can talk to each other there, and wander about too if they want. For me, the open forum is a place to be polite and reasonably impersonal.

Then there's the kitchen. Here you shut the public doors, kick off your shoes and complain about your bunions and the price of fish, swear at the noisy cockatoos that woke you up, the fact your kids don't hear you. You tell your friends about your scare when you found a breast lump, you get angry about a speeding ticket and shed tears about the state of the world. Some of these things one could do by email but emails are two way, and it's nice occasionally to post in a supporting group of people you trust. Oh yeah, and if someone's made you so mad you could spit chips, you tell it like it is, knowing that you'll be over it tomorrow and what you've got out of your system in heat will go no further.

Private groups are not necessarily the evil things they've been portrayed here. If anyone can get into the group, what's the point of having a kitchen, with a door? And that's what Tombstone gave us.

If someone forces entry, that's a very serious violation. And no matter how much this issue is camouflaged, that remains for me the greatest transgression here.

Anyway, the private group thing in here has been ruined. Which probably was the intention anyway. Envy has done this. There are people who can build up, and people who can tear down. And the first lot are the minority. A pity, but life goes on.

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Nomad;476809 wrote: You get it on during class ? :-3
Yeah, it's in the MacIntosh graphic design lab room. We have Internet on all the IMacs. Sometimes we are on the Utube site. I love to watch the Elmo videos.

yah yah, we get it on in class. I don't know what I meant by that. but I'm not editing it.



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