LarsMac;1468942 wrote: Yeah, I've heard of Quarter Horses running that fast, but I can only attest to what I have seen first hand. And even then, we are still talking quarter-mile sprints. "Cruising speed" implies a bit of distance, and is much slower.
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That was really Interesting... Thanks... I have a racing pal Richard Dunwoody who was a top jockey here who does the endurance running In Tibet once a year. The stamina of those horses Is Incredible.
I note that the fastest In your link was Petro Jay at 40.18 mph In 1982... and are all American records and no UK entry... These days, bloodstocks are continually being refined. When Frankel retired last year, he commanded 100 million In stud fee's meaning two years from now, we are going to hundreds of baby Frankel's on the circuit. Likewise with the foals produced by the retired Zenyatta and Black caviar.. They won't all make the grade but there's a progression. It just takes one or two of Frankel's offspring to out speed their sire and then 7 years from now, you have even faster horses reproducing... that's the progression of bloodstock and why records are continually beaten.
In National Hunt It's very different.. the horse Is not bred for speed but stamina and staying ability.
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FourPart;1468936 wrote: Here we go again. Let's get Da Beasty revved up. Maybe I can take it up to 260mph this time.
When looking at the guinness book of records link, you repeatedly failed to notice this at the bottom of the entry then ?
"Records change on a daily basis and are not immediately published online. For the most up to date record information, we welcome your questions via Facebook or Twitter."
I think they call that selective reading fourpart. What part of that did you fail to understand?
I've been doing some digging myself and found a horse by the name of EZD Falcon Rowdy was clocked at 51 m.p.h in Texas in the 1970's. It was recorded in the Equus magazine as the fastest horse ever recorded. I am sure there's more that never get recorded.
When looking at the guinness book of records link, you repeatedly failed to notice this at the bottom of the entry then ?
"Records change on a daily basis and are not immediately published online. For the most up to date record information, we welcome your questions via Facebook or Twitter."
I think they call that selective reading fourpart. What part of that did you fail to understand?
I've been doing some digging myself and found a horse by the name of EZD Falcon Rowdy was clocked at 51 m.p.h in Texas in the 1970's. It was recorded in the Equus magazine as the fastest horse ever recorded. I am sure there's more that never get recorded.
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FourPart;1468822 wrote: That's because you have failed to cite official records. The only official record I have seen is that of the Guinness Book of Records, and that clearly states 43mph as the fastest (to date). As far as I am concerned, that remains the record. Anything else is Fisherman's Tales.
Even so, reaching the speed to break the record is one thing and, yes, I also accept that records are always being broken. That is the very nature of records. It wasn't long ago that Roger Bannister broke the record for the 4 minute mile. These days, though, most leading athletes would leave him standing. The point is, though, that at the time that was recorded as being the best. That was officially verified, therefore it happened. I don't need to know anything about running to know that much, just as with horses I don't need to know anything about them to know that the fastest recorded speed is the 43mph, yet you make claims that a TYPICAL canter (not even a full gallop) is about 45. Surely even you can see the logic here?
So now who's selectively reading?
Even so, reaching the speed to break the record is one thing and, yes, I also accept that records are always being broken. That is the very nature of records. It wasn't long ago that Roger Bannister broke the record for the 4 minute mile. These days, though, most leading athletes would leave him standing. The point is, though, that at the time that was recorded as being the best. That was officially verified, therefore it happened. I don't need to know anything about running to know that much, just as with horses I don't need to know anything about them to know that the fastest recorded speed is the 43mph, yet you make claims that a TYPICAL canter (not even a full gallop) is about 45. Surely even you can see the logic here?
So now who's selectively reading?
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Peter Lake;1468948 wrote: I've been doing some digging myself and found a horse by the name of EZD Falcon Rowdy was clocked at 51 m.p.h in Texas in the 1970's. It was recorded in the Equus magazine as the fastest horse ever recorded. I am sure there's more that never get recorded.
Finally a bit of common sense. If it's been independantly recorded, then that much I can accept - that is, if the recording was made officially & not by witness testimony, such as "I was there & saw it for myself" or something like "Such & such a horse has been reported as reaching speeds of...".
So do you have a link to this Equus Magazine recording for verification (genuine question, not intended to be sarcastic or rhetorical)?
Finally a bit of common sense. If it's been independantly recorded, then that much I can accept - that is, if the recording was made officially & not by witness testimony, such as "I was there & saw it for myself" or something like "Such & such a horse has been reported as reaching speeds of...".
So do you have a link to this Equus Magazine recording for verification (genuine question, not intended to be sarcastic or rhetorical)?
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Incidentally, after some further research on Falcon Rowdy I found that the 51mph claim is actually down to video evidence, which is still argued (by equestrian experts) as to its accuracy, although it is the video experts who claim it to be the 51, not the equestrians.
You might also find this link to another forum interesting, although I am a bit confused as to the apparent contradictions (i.e. Fastest Recorded = 53mph, while it also says they can race up to speeds of 55mph):
http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/ ... 6&posts=36
The fastest horse ever recorded was clocked at 53 mph. That was a racing Quarter Horse. From the QH journals: "American Quarter Horses are the fastest horse in the world, and one of the fastest animals. They can race at speeds up to 55 mph"
"A racking horse by the name of EZD Falcon Rowdy was clocked at 51 mph at Texas A&M in the 1970's. Granted, it was for a short burst. However, it was reported in Equus magazine at the time as being the fastest horse ever clocked."
You might also find this link to another forum interesting, although I am a bit confused as to the apparent contradictions (i.e. Fastest Recorded = 53mph, while it also says they can race up to speeds of 55mph):
http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/ ... 6&posts=36
The fastest horse ever recorded was clocked at 53 mph. That was a racing Quarter Horse. From the QH journals: "American Quarter Horses are the fastest horse in the world, and one of the fastest animals. They can race at speeds up to 55 mph"
"A racking horse by the name of EZD Falcon Rowdy was clocked at 51 mph at Texas A&M in the 1970's. Granted, it was for a short burst. However, it was reported in Equus magazine at the time as being the fastest horse ever clocked."
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I don't think anyone here doubts that a top-notch rare superlative horse can on occasion reach a top speed of 45mph for brief periods when the occasion warrants. The dispute is whether reaching this top speed can in any sense constitute cruising, which invariably implies the most efficient use of power over sustained distances, and whether the speed is typical of the sport in the same sense that a 100mph cricket ball is, those being the two dangers which were directly compared. It would be a rare first-class cricket match in which no ball reached 100mph on a good wicket. It seems to be a blue-moon event for a horse to reach 45mph, and I maintain it has absolutely never been demonstrated when a horse is traveling over level ground at a speed it can sustain for minutes on end. "Granted, it was for a short burst" does not constitute cruising by any reasonable use of the word and neither do any of the other instances cited even if they turned out to be accurate.
The interesting new detail from the thread is the suggestion that a flat-out canter can sometimes be about as fast as a flat-out gallop. I didn't know that before.
The interesting new detail from the thread is the suggestion that a flat-out canter can sometimes be about as fast as a flat-out gallop. I didn't know that before.
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FourPart;1468969 wrote: Finally a bit of common sense. If it's been independantly recorded, then that much I can accept - that is, if the recording was made officially & not by witness testimony, such as "I was there & saw it for myself" or something like "Such & such a horse has been reported as reaching speeds of...".
So do you have a link to this Equus Magazine recording for verification (genuine question, not intended to be sarcastic or rhetorical)? We're just leaving to go out for the day... but I'll do some looking when we get back later.
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FourPart;1468969 wrote: Finally a bit of common sense. If it's been independantly recorded, then that much I can accept - that is, if the recording was made officially & not by witness testimony, such as "I was there & saw it for myself" or something like "Such & such a horse has been reported as reaching speeds of...".
So do you have a link to this Equus Magazine recording for verification (genuine question, not intended to be sarcastic or rhetorical)? I can't find the actual link to the magazine... I would Imagine you would have to access the archives. This Is the nearest I can get for you... the actual article I believe, but like me, You'll need a magnifying glass to read It... Looks genuine.... click on pic to enlarge.
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So do you have a link to this Equus Magazine recording for verification (genuine question, not intended to be sarcastic or rhetorical)? I can't find the actual link to the magazine... I would Imagine you would have to access the archives. This Is the nearest I can get for you... the actual article I believe, but like me, You'll need a magnifying glass to read It... Looks genuine.... click on pic to enlarge.
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I just have to add that achieving a "top speed", and a "Cruising speed" are two very different things.
I can achieve a top speed of about 40 mph on my bicycle, but my best cruising speed for any significant distance is more like 15.
And yes, that 40 mph is going downhill.
I can achieve a top speed of about 40 mph on my bicycle, but my best cruising speed for any significant distance is more like 15.
And yes, that 40 mph is going downhill.
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LarsMac;1469005 wrote: I just have to add that achieving a "top speed", and a "Cruising speed" are two very different things.
I can achieve a top speed of about 40 mph on my bicycle, but my best cruising speed for any significant distance is more like 15.
And yes, that 40 mph is going downhill.
There's a difference though Lars... It's all to do with the length of the race. Most race horses who clock those speeds are In Flat sprints as short as 5 furlongs ( common distances on the flat here )... A five furlong sprint Is over In less than 60 seconds... sometimes less... so the speed at which the horse exits the starting gate and maintains until the final furlong Is the cruising speed. The speed which Is the acceleration Into the final furlong when he comes off the bridle and Is driven to the line, Is the top speed. By then, If the horse Is ' all out ' then his top speed MPH Is only minimally over the cruising speed.
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I can achieve a top speed of about 40 mph on my bicycle, but my best cruising speed for any significant distance is more like 15.
And yes, that 40 mph is going downhill.
There's a difference though Lars... It's all to do with the length of the race. Most race horses who clock those speeds are In Flat sprints as short as 5 furlongs ( common distances on the flat here )... A five furlong sprint Is over In less than 60 seconds... sometimes less... so the speed at which the horse exits the starting gate and maintains until the final furlong Is the cruising speed. The speed which Is the acceleration Into the final furlong when he comes off the bridle and Is driven to the line, Is the top speed. By then, If the horse Is ' all out ' then his top speed MPH Is only minimally over the cruising speed.
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Oscar Namechange;1469006 wrote: There's a difference though Lars... It's all to do with the length of the race. Most race horses who clock those speeds are In Flat sprints as short as 5 furlongs ( common distances on the flat here )... A five furlong sprint Is over In less than 60 seconds... sometimes less... so the speed at which the horse exits the starting gate and maintains until the final furlong Is the cruising speed. The speed which Is the acceleration Into the final furlong when he comes off the bridle and Is driven to the line, Is the top speed. By then, If the horse Is ' all out ' then his top speed MPH Is only minimally over the cruising speed.
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What we're saying is that the use of the word "cruising", or the term "cruising speed", to describe any aspect of an event lasting less than a minute is unsupportable, it's bad English, it's not what the word "cruising" means. It may be that you're correct that the usage is specific to this single sport but if it is I'd expect you to be able to show an authoritative statement by an official body to that effect and so far, having checked each website you've cited, you haven't. Is there evidence for such a peculiar and non-standard use of "cruising" in horse racing, or isn't there? The web citation you just produced, for example, has absolutely nothing whatever to do with cruising speed, the article doesn't use the word "cruise" anywhere in it much less provide an explanation of what it means with regard to horses.
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What we're saying is that the use of the word "cruising", or the term "cruising speed", to describe any aspect of an event lasting less than a minute is unsupportable, it's bad English, it's not what the word "cruising" means. It may be that you're correct that the usage is specific to this single sport but if it is I'd expect you to be able to show an authoritative statement by an official body to that effect and so far, having checked each website you've cited, you haven't. Is there evidence for such a peculiar and non-standard use of "cruising" in horse racing, or isn't there? The web citation you just produced, for example, has absolutely nothing whatever to do with cruising speed, the article doesn't use the word "cruise" anywhere in it much less provide an explanation of what it means with regard to horses.
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As suspected...
His owners claim that he was timed in excess of 50mph at Texas A&M University; We're still checking.
Impressive, yes, but still only hearsay claims.
His owners claim that he was timed in excess of 50mph at Texas A&M University; We're still checking.
Impressive, yes, but still only hearsay claims.
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FourPart;1469026 wrote: As suspected...
Impressive, yes, but still only hearsay claims. This Is the exact problem Isn't It ? While you argue that It may not have happened for lack of archive records. then by the same token, there could well be many horses out there that have achieved those speeds that were never recorded but did Indeed do It.... you can't have It both ways can you ?
If something doesn't stand because of lack of verification, then something could also stand without verification.
Impressive, yes, but still only hearsay claims. This Is the exact problem Isn't It ? While you argue that It may not have happened for lack of archive records. then by the same token, there could well be many horses out there that have achieved those speeds that were never recorded but did Indeed do It.... you can't have It both ways can you ?
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This is the point though. Anyone can make claims to something having happened, but until it can be proved, that's all they are - unfounded claims.
If, for instance, you were in court on a speeding charge & the arresting officer was asked what evidence he had of your having been speeding, by about 10mph & he replies that he has no 'actual' evidence, because he didn't have his speed gun to hand. But he goes on to say that he's seen loads of other cars speeding. First of all would you accept such testimony? Do you think the court would accept such testimony? I think not - or if they did, that's a case that should be appealed.
If, for instance, you were in court on a speeding charge & the arresting officer was asked what evidence he had of your having been speeding, by about 10mph & he replies that he has no 'actual' evidence, because he didn't have his speed gun to hand. But he goes on to say that he's seen loads of other cars speeding. First of all would you accept such testimony? Do you think the court would accept such testimony? I think not - or if they did, that's a case that should be appealed.
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FourPart;1469068 wrote: This is the point though. Anyone can make claims to something having happened, but until it can be proved, that's all they are - unfounded claims.
If, for instance, you were in court on a speeding charge & the arresting officer was asked what evidence he had of your having been speeding, by about 10mph & he replies that he has no 'actual' evidence, because he didn't have his speed gun to hand. But he goes on to say that he's seen loads of other cars speeding. First of all would you accept such testimony? Do you think the court would accept such testimony? I think not - or if they did, that's a case that should be appealed. Only a race horse does not appear In court on speeding charges nor Is he likely to be charged under the road traffic act.... what a daft analogy !!!
If, for instance, you were in court on a speeding charge & the arresting officer was asked what evidence he had of your having been speeding, by about 10mph & he replies that he has no 'actual' evidence, because he didn't have his speed gun to hand. But he goes on to say that he's seen loads of other cars speeding. First of all would you accept such testimony? Do you think the court would accept such testimony? I think not - or if they did, that's a case that should be appealed. Only a race horse does not appear In court on speeding charges nor Is he likely to be charged under the road traffic act.... what a daft analogy !!!
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Oscar Namechange;1469078 wrote: Only a race horse does not appear In court on speeding charges nor Is he likely to be charged under the road traffic act.... what a daft analogy !!!
I bet he would if he want galloping through a 30mph zone at a relaxed canter of 40mph he would.
My point is that you wouldn't simply accept the word of someone who simply claims to have seen someone moving at a certain speed without some sort of physical affirmation of it. Balls are clocked by radar all the time in such sports as tennis & cricket to microscopic precision. These are verified speeds. These are speeds that can appear in record books. I find it difficult to believe that there are no similar speed recordings for horses. I have looked - I even provided a source that may have proved me wrong, which I also quite accept as a possibility, but I have not been able to find anything but hearsay claims - no hard evidence at all.
I bet he would if he want galloping through a 30mph zone at a relaxed canter of 40mph he would.
My point is that you wouldn't simply accept the word of someone who simply claims to have seen someone moving at a certain speed without some sort of physical affirmation of it. Balls are clocked by radar all the time in such sports as tennis & cricket to microscopic precision. These are verified speeds. These are speeds that can appear in record books. I find it difficult to believe that there are no similar speed recordings for horses. I have looked - I even provided a source that may have proved me wrong, which I also quite accept as a possibility, but I have not been able to find anything but hearsay claims - no hard evidence at all.
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This TV advert has appeared again on Channel Four Racing... This Is Jumps Jockey AP McCoy OBE 19 times Champion Jumps Jockey and the greatest In the world...
So, do you not think If a Steeple Chaser who may have to Incorporate up to 32 obstacles over 4 and half miles having to take fences and get In a stride to do so while also regearing the other other side, that a Flat Sprinter Is not capable of 45 MPH ?
As he says... the going In winter ie mud, the wind and the rain all slowing the horse down.
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So, do you not think If a Steeple Chaser who may have to Incorporate up to 32 obstacles over 4 and half miles having to take fences and get In a stride to do so while also regearing the other other side, that a Flat Sprinter Is not capable of 45 MPH ?
As he says... the going In winter ie mud, the wind and the rain all slowing the horse down.
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Oscar Namechange;1469220 wrote: ...........................that a Flat Sprinter Is not capable of 45 MPH ?
I would like to refer you to post 61,and several others, concerned with the threads topic, namely "Cruise Control" or cruising speed.
Having followed this thread since before it was split from the Philip Hughes tragic death thread, and as far as I can see, nobody has argued the top speed of a horse, only the definition of "Cruise" in relation to speed, the speed of anything, and that, according to all the best advice is....a speed usually somewhat below maximum, that is comfortable and economical.
So let me put it to you that the "Cruising" speed that you mentioned somewhere back in the mists of time, is the basis of this thread, and NOT the "Top" speed of a race horse or whether that has been recorded or not, or who knows most about horses.
I would like to refer you to post 61,and several others, concerned with the threads topic, namely "Cruise Control" or cruising speed.
Having followed this thread since before it was split from the Philip Hughes tragic death thread, and as far as I can see, nobody has argued the top speed of a horse, only the definition of "Cruise" in relation to speed, the speed of anything, and that, according to all the best advice is....a speed usually somewhat below maximum, that is comfortable and economical.
So let me put it to you that the "Cruising" speed that you mentioned somewhere back in the mists of time, is the basis of this thread, and NOT the "Top" speed of a race horse or whether that has been recorded or not, or who knows most about horses.
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Bruv;1469228 wrote: I would like to refer you to post 61,and several others, concerned with the threads topic, namely "Cruise Control" or cruising speed.
Having followed this thread since before it was split from the Philip Hughes tragic death thread, and as far as I can see, nobody has argued the top speed of a horse, only the definition of "Cruise" in relation to speed, the speed of anything, and that, according to all the best advice is....a speed usually somewhat below maximum, that is comfortable and economical.
So let me put it to you that the "Cruising" speed that you mentioned somewhere back in the mists of time, is the basis of this thread, and NOT the "Top" speed of a race horse or whether that has been recorded or not, or who knows most about horses.
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Having followed this thread since before it was split from the Philip Hughes tragic death thread, and as far as I can see, nobody has argued the top speed of a horse, only the definition of "Cruise" in relation to speed, the speed of anything, and that, according to all the best advice is....a speed usually somewhat below maximum, that is comfortable and economical.
So let me put it to you that the "Cruising" speed that you mentioned somewhere back in the mists of time, is the basis of this thread, and NOT the "Top" speed of a race horse or whether that has been recorded or not, or who knows most about horses.
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Oscar Namechange;1469220 wrote: This TV advert has appeared again on Channel Four Racing... This Is Jumps Jockey AP McCoy OBE 19 times Champion Jumps Jockey and the greatest In the world...
So, do you not think If a Steeple Chaser who may have to Incorporate up to 32 obstacles over 4 and half miles having to take fences and get In a stride to do so while also regearing the other other side, that a Flat Sprinter Is not capable of 45 MPH ?
As he says... the going In winter ie mud, the wind and the rain all slowing the horse down.
Dream on Fourpart
I, for one, never said that I doubt a horse could reach a speed of 45, just that they cannot maintain that kind of speed for very long.
Sprint speed does not equal cruising speed.
So, do you not think If a Steeple Chaser who may have to Incorporate up to 32 obstacles over 4 and half miles having to take fences and get In a stride to do so while also regearing the other other side, that a Flat Sprinter Is not capable of 45 MPH ?
As he says... the going In winter ie mud, the wind and the rain all slowing the horse down.
Dream on Fourpart
I, for one, never said that I doubt a horse could reach a speed of 45, just that they cannot maintain that kind of speed for very long.
Sprint speed does not equal cruising speed.
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The main thing I got out of this thread is that Fourpart has a moped(allegedly).
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Oscar Namechange;1469229 wrote: Pace: How to Determine the Likely Pace of a Race
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Bruv;1469232 wrote: If you don't want to answer the question, just say so.
If you can't grasp the concept that cruising speed In horse racing Is a different concept, then I can't help you.
If you can't grasp the concept that cruising speed In horse racing Is a different concept, then I can't help you.
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YZGI;1469231 wrote: The main thing I got out of this thread is that Fourpart has a moped(allegedly). I want proof.
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Oscar Namechange;1469229 wrote: Pace: How to Determine the Likely Pace of a Race
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From your article:
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
So, again, show us a horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph.
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From your article:
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
So, again, show us a horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph.
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Oscar Namechange;1469236 wrote: If you can't grasp the concept that cruising speed In horse racing Is a different concept, then I can't help you.
Fair enough.......... Does.... Oxford, Cambridge,Merriam Webster, Macmillan, etc. etc. etc. know ?
Fair enough.......... Does.... Oxford, Cambridge,Merriam Webster, Macmillan, etc. etc. etc. know ?
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LarsMac;1469238 wrote: From your article:
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
So, again, show us a horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph. That's the entire problem here Lars... races where It's been clocked on the track that the horse had a cruising speed of 45 MPH...accelerating to the top speed but the problem Is, If trainers and race courses don't register that event, then It's never actually recorded and those here say, no proof.... Yet, It's not to say, they don't either,
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
So, again, show us a horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph. That's the entire problem here Lars... races where It's been clocked on the track that the horse had a cruising speed of 45 MPH...accelerating to the top speed but the problem Is, If trainers and race courses don't register that event, then It's never actually recorded and those here say, no proof.... Yet, It's not to say, they don't either,
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Oscar Namechange;1469240 wrote: That's the entire problem here Lars... races where It's been clocked on the track that the horse had a cruising speed of 45 MPH...accelerating to the top speed but the problem Is, If trainers and race courses don't register that event, then It's never actually recorded and those here say, no proof.... Yet, It's not to say, they don't either,
The problem is that any horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph would leave the competition in the dust, and would have caught the eye of every horse reporter on the planet.
The problem is that any horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph would leave the competition in the dust, and would have caught the eye of every horse reporter on the planet.
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LarsMac;1469242 wrote: The problem is that any horse with a cruising speed of 45 mph would leave the competition in the dust, and would have caught the eye of every horse reporter on the planet.
It's pretty much accepted as fact In the racing world that Frankel did maintain a cruising speed of over 45 MPH In the 2,000 Guinea's due to the fact he finished at the same rate he started.but It's rare that they do what he did. Problem Is, no one was expecting him to do It, so no one was clocking It... Bear In mind, all the runners In this race were Group 1 Champions......In case you didn't see It.
It's pretty much accepted as fact In the racing world that Frankel did maintain a cruising speed of over 45 MPH In the 2,000 Guinea's due to the fact he finished at the same rate he started.but It's rare that they do what he did. Problem Is, no one was expecting him to do It, so no one was clocking It... Bear In mind, all the runners In this race were Group 1 Champions......In case you didn't see It.
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This horse Dunguib sadly had to be retired after a string of Injuries but I was there on the day when he did this... one of the fastest I've seen In my life..... but again, no one expected It so no one clocked him.
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Oscar Namechange;1469246 wrote: It's pretty much accepted as fact In the racing world that Frankel did maintain a cruising speed of over 45 MPH In the 2,000 Guinea's due to the fact he finished at the same rate he started.but It's rare that they do what he did. Problem Is, no one was expecting him to do It, so no one was clocking It... Bear In mind, all the runners In this race were Group 1 Champions......In case you didn't see It.
Sorry, but those times do not even come close to a cruising speed of 45 mph. His best time in the mile was 1:37.3
Again, we are talking cruising speed, not sprint speed.
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
If you are cruising at 45, and speed up to finish the race, your total time in the mile should at most, 1:15.
Sorry, but those times do not even come close to a cruising speed of 45 mph. His best time in the mile was 1:37.3
Again, we are talking cruising speed, not sprint speed.
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
If you are cruising at 45, and speed up to finish the race, your total time in the mile should at most, 1:15.
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LarsMac;1469254 wrote: Sorry, but those times do not even come close to a cruising speed of 45 mph. His best time in the mile was 1:37.3
Again, we are talking cruising speed, not sprint speed.
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
If you are cruising at 45, and speed up to finish the race, your total time in the mile should at most, 1:15.
I get that... I'll try and find some evidence over the next few days... If not, I'll concede.
Again, we are talking cruising speed, not sprint speed.
"Basically the horses accelarate [sic] to a cruising speed, maintain that for most of the race then in the final quarter mile to half mile they accelerate to top speed."
If you are cruising at 45, and speed up to finish the race, your total time in the mile should at most, 1:15.
I get that... I'll try and find some evidence over the next few days... If not, I'll concede.
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Queen Anne Stakes
On 19 June Frankel started at odds of 1/10 for the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot against a field which included Excelebration and Strong Suit, respectively ranked the equal second and the equal fifth best three-year-old colts in the world by the IFHA in 2011.[37] Frankel took the lead three furlongs from the finish and drew steadily clear to win by eleven lengths from Excelebration.[38] Frankel ran the penultimate furlong in a time of 10.58 seconds,[39] which equates to a top speed of over 42 mph.
(From: Frankel (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
On 19 June Frankel started at odds of 1/10 for the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot against a field which included Excelebration and Strong Suit, respectively ranked the equal second and the equal fifth best three-year-old colts in the world by the IFHA in 2011.[37] Frankel took the lead three furlongs from the finish and drew steadily clear to win by eleven lengths from Excelebration.[38] Frankel ran the penultimate furlong in a time of 10.58 seconds,[39] which equates to a top speed of over 42 mph.
(From: Frankel (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
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Oscar Namechange;1469256 wrote: I get that... I'll try and find some evidence over the next few days... If not, I'll concede.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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FourPart;1469265 wrote: (From: Frankel (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
If you got the right race, It may help
If you got the right race, It may help
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Oscar Namechange;1469274 wrote: If you got the right race, It may help
I'm just quoting. Not my words.
I'm just quoting. Not my words.