Why I believe NATURE is GOD
Nature is the ONLY creator of all life. The female being the most important
of the pairs. The male acts as the protector and servant.
Nature has created food for us all and it is free.
Nature has given all creatures its clothing. Almost all pairs (female and male)
wear the same clothing.
Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
Nature requires no licenses to reproduce or any other licenses for that matter.
Hence, no costly marriages.
It has created the food chain as our burial sites, hence no funerals.
It has given us our own doctors with the 'immune systems' within us.
It requires no rituals, tithes or taxes, forced attendances and etc.
It grants no property ownerships, patents or any other grants to create millionaires
or billionaires.
It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death and even tempers this brief interim with the endorphin pain killers.
It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns) and the food chain
in the sea and ocean life to limit population imbalances.
It is our greatest teacher
Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.
Mike CT
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Nature as GOD
That's an interesting idea, its a bit like animism to me. Though I don't think nature would make a very benign god as it is in essence very arbitrary and to human minds exceedingly cruel and ruthless. Also the natural biological world we live in is entirely subserviant to the wider physical universe, in that it cannot live without it. Nature is at it is entirely because it must act in accordance with basic physical principals such as the second law of thermodyanmics, the conservation of matter and energy, the force of gravity etc etc. Therefore it can only be regarded as a very limited "God" with no real powers at all, just a lot of creativity in overcoming adverse conditions, of which we are of course the prime evolutionary example. I am in no way religious, though divine purpose is the only linguistic manner in which I can explain my belief in the the question of why anything exists at all. This is a "belief" now and entirely an unscientific statement as of course there is absolutley no way by which the existence of a "God" or "creator" can be physically proven.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
Tell that to the victims of Hurrican Katrina.........................
I don't think so, with all due respect.
Tell that to the victims of Hurrican Katrina.........................
I don't think so, with all due respect.
Nature as GOD
Galbally and Chonsigirl
I think I owe a further explanation of my above post.
GOD"S domain involves only the living. It does not include the 'physical universe because the Conservation Laws pertain to Matter and Energy which are physical entities rather than spiritual. .
Granted, there may be some spiritual influence of the physical realm by the spirit because there are instances of 'karmic reactions' as punishment but those are observed only by the believers.
Examples of this are the 'black plague' that struck the Roman empires territorial claims when Marco Polo introduced the 'black powder' from China. Since the history of the Romans as a predatory empire was well known, the spirit already saw the evil in its future use. The rest is history when the gun and cannon were later invented.
Another is the revengeful reaction to the Hitlerian regime for the Stalin atrocities in Russia.
The wrath of Nature against the Bush republican policy of refusal to join the rest of the countries in reducing the 'greenhouse gases' that are contributing to the rise in the ocean temperatures that spawn these hurricanes even though this temperature rise is very small.
This, of course, is seen only with the mind and not embraced by the disbelievers in 'spirit'.
So one would have to conclude that there is some influence of the spiritual over the physical.
Note: Ignore the Robertson threat against the school board that ousted the
'intelligen design' supporters because Robertson is a fanatic that tries to bully people in his crusades.
Mike CT
I think I owe a further explanation of my above post.
GOD"S domain involves only the living. It does not include the 'physical universe because the Conservation Laws pertain to Matter and Energy which are physical entities rather than spiritual. .
Granted, there may be some spiritual influence of the physical realm by the spirit because there are instances of 'karmic reactions' as punishment but those are observed only by the believers.
Examples of this are the 'black plague' that struck the Roman empires territorial claims when Marco Polo introduced the 'black powder' from China. Since the history of the Romans as a predatory empire was well known, the spirit already saw the evil in its future use. The rest is history when the gun and cannon were later invented.
Another is the revengeful reaction to the Hitlerian regime for the Stalin atrocities in Russia.
The wrath of Nature against the Bush republican policy of refusal to join the rest of the countries in reducing the 'greenhouse gases' that are contributing to the rise in the ocean temperatures that spawn these hurricanes even though this temperature rise is very small.
This, of course, is seen only with the mind and not embraced by the disbelievers in 'spirit'.
So one would have to conclude that there is some influence of the spiritual over the physical.
Note: Ignore the Robertson threat against the school board that ousted the
'intelligen design' supporters because Robertson is a fanatic that tries to bully people in his crusades.
Mike CT
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God set the Laws in motion......................
Therefore, there would be no physical universe without His act of creation.............
God influences the Living and the Nonliving aspects of the universe.
God's creation is the universe, and every part of it.
His domain lies even outside of that........................beyond our imagination and comprehension.
Therefore, there would be no physical universe without His act of creation.............
God influences the Living and the Nonliving aspects of the universe.
God's creation is the universe, and every part of it.
His domain lies even outside of that........................beyond our imagination and comprehension.
Nature as GOD
Chonsigirl quote
God set the Laws in motion......................
Therefore, there would be no physical universe without His act of creation.............
God influences the Living and the Nonliving aspects of the universe.
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You must believe in the bible and 'creation out of nothing'. Nature is the only creator of life. Stem cells can reproduce into differenr forms.
Atoms cannot reproduce. Therefore they must have always existed according to the Conservation Laws.
Far rider quote
Which came first the chicken or the egg? Can an egg survive without warmth? Therefore a chicken had to be created whole and functioning. Points to a creator.
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Stem cells look like eggs to me.
So the egg came first and this suggests that the females came first and are the creators of life
Mike CT.
God set the Laws in motion......................
Therefore, there would be no physical universe without His act of creation.............
God influences the Living and the Nonliving aspects of the universe.
reply.
You must believe in the bible and 'creation out of nothing'. Nature is the only creator of life. Stem cells can reproduce into differenr forms.
Atoms cannot reproduce. Therefore they must have always existed according to the Conservation Laws.
Far rider quote
Which came first the chicken or the egg? Can an egg survive without warmth? Therefore a chicken had to be created whole and functioning. Points to a creator.
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Stem cells look like eggs to me.
So the egg came first and this suggests that the females came first and are the creators of life
Mike CT.
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Yes, I do believe in the Bible and the Creator concept of the universe. I do not believe nothing comes out of nothing.
"Nature is the only creator of life." Well, where did nature come from in the first place? Nature is something, so therefore something was there first to give rise to it.
Chonsi
"Nature is the only creator of life." Well, where did nature come from in the first place? Nature is something, so therefore something was there first to give rise to it.
Chonsi
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Mike CT wrote: I think I owe a further explanation of my above post.
GOD"S domain involves only the living. It does not include the 'physical universe because the Conservation Laws pertain to Matter and Energy which are physical entities rather than spiritual. .
Granted, there may be some spiritual influence of the physical realm by the spirit because there are instances of 'karmic reactions' as punishment but those are observed only by the believers.
Examples of this are the 'black plague' that struck the Roman empires territorial claims when Marco Polo introduced the 'black powder' from China. Since the history of the Romans as a predatory empire was well known, the spirit already saw the evil in its future use. The rest is history when the gun and cannon were later invented.
Another is the revengeful reaction to the Hitlerian regime for the Stalin atrocities in Russia.
The wrath of Nature against the Bush republican policy of refusal to join the rest of the countries in reducing the 'greenhouse gases' that are contributing to the rise in the ocean temperatures that spawn these hurricanes even though this temperature rise is very small.
This, of course, is seen only with the mind and not embraced by the disbelievers in 'spirit'.
So one would have to conclude that there is some influence of the spiritual over the physical.
Note: Ignore the Robertson threat against the school board that ousted the
'intelligen design' supporters because Robertson is a fanatic that tries to bully people in his crusades.
Mike CT
I'm not quite sure where you are going here. As a scientist I know something about the conservation laws of matter and energy. What do you think powers our mind (brain)? It is energy created by the billions of electrical connections - which cannot be destoyed but converted. Converted to what - I don't know yet. The energy of our mind is what makes us spiritual beings. I don't think the science of our time is capable of understanding our evolution in the big picture. If you look at history and the way humans defined or explained their existance I find it curious we are the only species that NEEDS to have and explaination of why we are here. Did we create religion to give ourselves comfort because we knew we were so small in the bigger scope of the Earth and the heavens around us? I don't know.
GOD"S domain involves only the living. It does not include the 'physical universe because the Conservation Laws pertain to Matter and Energy which are physical entities rather than spiritual. .
Granted, there may be some spiritual influence of the physical realm by the spirit because there are instances of 'karmic reactions' as punishment but those are observed only by the believers.
Examples of this are the 'black plague' that struck the Roman empires territorial claims when Marco Polo introduced the 'black powder' from China. Since the history of the Romans as a predatory empire was well known, the spirit already saw the evil in its future use. The rest is history when the gun and cannon were later invented.
Another is the revengeful reaction to the Hitlerian regime for the Stalin atrocities in Russia.
The wrath of Nature against the Bush republican policy of refusal to join the rest of the countries in reducing the 'greenhouse gases' that are contributing to the rise in the ocean temperatures that spawn these hurricanes even though this temperature rise is very small.
This, of course, is seen only with the mind and not embraced by the disbelievers in 'spirit'.
So one would have to conclude that there is some influence of the spiritual over the physical.
Note: Ignore the Robertson threat against the school board that ousted the
'intelligen design' supporters because Robertson is a fanatic that tries to bully people in his crusades.
Mike CT
I'm not quite sure where you are going here. As a scientist I know something about the conservation laws of matter and energy. What do you think powers our mind (brain)? It is energy created by the billions of electrical connections - which cannot be destoyed but converted. Converted to what - I don't know yet. The energy of our mind is what makes us spiritual beings. I don't think the science of our time is capable of understanding our evolution in the big picture. If you look at history and the way humans defined or explained their existance I find it curious we are the only species that NEEDS to have and explaination of why we are here. Did we create religion to give ourselves comfort because we knew we were so small in the bigger scope of the Earth and the heavens around us? I don't know.
The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement..........Karl R. Popper
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Far Rider quote
Oh and one more thing, where did the females come from to bare and raise the egg? And were they created whole or did the come from another female egg?
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There is one question I would like to know and that is.......can the 'stem cell' survive in the space temperature of 3K? This is an experiment I would like to see done. If it can, then that means that there was no beginning for the 'living realm' either. There survival at 3K can imply that there is life on any hospitable planet in the universe. So you can consider that the 'beginning'. Life is also everlasting just like matter.
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d is what makes us spiritual beings. I don't think the science of our time is capable of understanding our evolution in the big picture. If you look at history and the way humans defined or explained their existance I find it curious we are the only species that NEEDS to have and explaination of why we are here. Did we create religion to give ourselves comfort because we knew we were so small in the bigger scope of the Earth and the heavens around us? I don't know.
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We are what we are because we have the most valuable 'natural tool' in existence. Our HANDS. Our hands can be looked upon as a surrogate brain. We can thank the Chimpanzee for this great gift.
All animals have brains. But you cannot do much with claws, hooves or fins regardless of how large a brain you have. So the evolution of our minds and the use of our hands have given us this materialistic world we live in.
Mike CT
Oh and one more thing, where did the females come from to bare and raise the egg? And were they created whole or did the come from another female egg?
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There is one question I would like to know and that is.......can the 'stem cell' survive in the space temperature of 3K? This is an experiment I would like to see done. If it can, then that means that there was no beginning for the 'living realm' either. There survival at 3K can imply that there is life on any hospitable planet in the universe. So you can consider that the 'beginning'. Life is also everlasting just like matter.
nvalley quote
d is what makes us spiritual beings. I don't think the science of our time is capable of understanding our evolution in the big picture. If you look at history and the way humans defined or explained their existance I find it curious we are the only species that NEEDS to have and explaination of why we are here. Did we create religion to give ourselves comfort because we knew we were so small in the bigger scope of the Earth and the heavens around us? I don't know.
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We are what we are because we have the most valuable 'natural tool' in existence. Our HANDS. Our hands can be looked upon as a surrogate brain. We can thank the Chimpanzee for this great gift.
All animals have brains. But you cannot do much with claws, hooves or fins regardless of how large a brain you have. So the evolution of our minds and the use of our hands have given us this materialistic world we live in.
Mike CT
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I noticed you did not answer Far's question, but talked about an experiment you would like to see attempted.
"Life is also everlasting just like matter."
Where did matter come from, if not from God, who created all things?
Chonsi
"Life is also everlasting just like matter."
Where did matter come from, if not from God, who created all things?
Chonsi
Nature as GOD
Seems to me there comes a point when science as it stands now stops and faith begins. Were incapable now of understanding all the intricacies of our world and beyond, though we should never stop trying. At the point we realize this is beyond earthly comprehension is the point we either seek answers through matters of heart rather than intellect, or we blindly discount the possibility of a higher power than ourselves and stay true to our stubborn instincts that man is Godly and all knowing.
The argument of nature vs a higher power is lacking one key ingredient. A beginning. And this has always been the crux of the illusion that we know anything. We dont. We believe....one way or another way. We do or do not have faith. Your faith may provide for you a profound "knowing" but your faith isnt something that can be proved or disproved. For that matter neither is the belief that nature begets all.
Somewhere in there I believe lies a truth. Our world works too well, it provides an abundance of flora and grain and liquid to nourish all. Its too perfect, too sequenced, too plentiful, too synchronized, too exact to be happenstance. The sun rises and sets, the seasons come and go and in their wake they provide all of our needs, for nourishment and rest and comfort.
Can God and our nature coincide ? Of course. Could the fact that (as far as we know yet) this tiny blue planet suspended eons and ages of life from eternity just happen to be our lucky day, is it possible we just got lucky ? I dont think so. If your man you not only have a mind to sort through these quandries but you have a heart to feel with. When the warm wind blows through your hair and you gaze upon the beauty before you dont you feel the magnificence of your surroundings ? Doesnt a deeper fire than your intellect burn ? A subtle sparkle or stirring of another kind manifests itself. If your a man you also have a soul, something that lies deep in you, a part of you that completes what it means to be living.
If you have questions dont be blind to all aspects of your being. Your mind is essential but so is your heart and soul, just as your feet are seperate from your hands they compliment one another. To complete a task you must use all of the tools provided to you. Your soul is an integral part of your being and I believe many of the answers your mind cant provide your heart and soul can.
The argument of nature vs a higher power is lacking one key ingredient. A beginning. And this has always been the crux of the illusion that we know anything. We dont. We believe....one way or another way. We do or do not have faith. Your faith may provide for you a profound "knowing" but your faith isnt something that can be proved or disproved. For that matter neither is the belief that nature begets all.
Somewhere in there I believe lies a truth. Our world works too well, it provides an abundance of flora and grain and liquid to nourish all. Its too perfect, too sequenced, too plentiful, too synchronized, too exact to be happenstance. The sun rises and sets, the seasons come and go and in their wake they provide all of our needs, for nourishment and rest and comfort.
Can God and our nature coincide ? Of course. Could the fact that (as far as we know yet) this tiny blue planet suspended eons and ages of life from eternity just happen to be our lucky day, is it possible we just got lucky ? I dont think so. If your man you not only have a mind to sort through these quandries but you have a heart to feel with. When the warm wind blows through your hair and you gaze upon the beauty before you dont you feel the magnificence of your surroundings ? Doesnt a deeper fire than your intellect burn ? A subtle sparkle or stirring of another kind manifests itself. If your a man you also have a soul, something that lies deep in you, a part of you that completes what it means to be living.
If you have questions dont be blind to all aspects of your being. Your mind is essential but so is your heart and soul, just as your feet are seperate from your hands they compliment one another. To complete a task you must use all of the tools provided to you. Your soul is an integral part of your being and I believe many of the answers your mind cant provide your heart and soul can.
I AM AWESOME MAN
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WHO CAME FIRST?
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A chicken and an egg are lying in bed.
The chicken is smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on it's face.
The egg is frowning and looking a bit p!ssed off.
The egg mutters to no one in particular, "Well, I guess we answered THAT question!"
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A chicken and an egg are lying in bed.
The chicken is smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on it's face.
The egg is frowning and looking a bit p!ssed off.
The egg mutters to no one in particular, "Well, I guess we answered THAT question!"
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Nature as GOD
Unrelated sorry I had to reply to BTS's sig
“If you are not happy here and now, you never will be.â€â€¦Ã¢â‚¬¦Ã¢â‚¬¦Taisen Deshimaru
From my own personal experiences,theres nothing I can dream up that could be further from the truth
“If you are not happy here and now, you never will be.â€â€¦Ã¢â‚¬¦Ã¢â‚¬¦Taisen Deshimaru
From my own personal experiences,theres nothing I can dream up that could be further from the truth
I AM AWESOME MAN
Nature as GOD
Nomad wrote:
If you have questions dont be blind to all aspects of your being. Your mind is essential but so is your heart and soul, just as your feet are seperate from your hands they compliment one another. To complete a task you must use all of the tools provided to you. Your soul is an integral part of your being and I believe many of the answers your mind cant provide your heart and soul can.
The soul you mention........ just how complex is that in reality?
I think the soul is the energy that rises to another place and time (after death) that we can not comprehend while a human. I think the soul is our memory (mind) of before we were on earth and while we were on earth. It is a energy that we can not comprehend. After death (as we know it) it lives on in another form.....but not in the way we can comprehend. I believe everything has a soul (memory) that after death will run our life story over and over again and if you led a terrible life, destroying other peoples lifes (killing, rapeing, etc...) you will just see your terrible life over and over again in your soul form (memory, mind).
If you made amends while here on earth then your soul can move on, but if not then I think you are stuck in your own hell and won't be able to move on.
Move on?
Move on to what? I dunno, but I really believe we do not just turn to dust after death.
Just my un-edumacated opinion........
If you have questions dont be blind to all aspects of your being. Your mind is essential but so is your heart and soul, just as your feet are seperate from your hands they compliment one another. To complete a task you must use all of the tools provided to you. Your soul is an integral part of your being and I believe many of the answers your mind cant provide your heart and soul can.
The soul you mention........ just how complex is that in reality?
I think the soul is the energy that rises to another place and time (after death) that we can not comprehend while a human. I think the soul is our memory (mind) of before we were on earth and while we were on earth. It is a energy that we can not comprehend. After death (as we know it) it lives on in another form.....but not in the way we can comprehend. I believe everything has a soul (memory) that after death will run our life story over and over again and if you led a terrible life, destroying other peoples lifes (killing, rapeing, etc...) you will just see your terrible life over and over again in your soul form (memory, mind).
If you made amends while here on earth then your soul can move on, but if not then I think you are stuck in your own hell and won't be able to move on.
Move on?
Move on to what? I dunno, but I really believe we do not just turn to dust after death.
Just my un-edumacated opinion........
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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This is something I wrote in reply to someone else a long time ago. BTS my soul lives and breathes NOW. Its as alive as any part of myself. Its my engine. My soul is not dormant, its connected....to everything.....now....at this moment and always.
Ill give you an example of something that happened to me a long time ago.
I was walking down the street, I was on my way to buy drugs. As I was walking I was struggling with my drug abuse, I knew I was better than succumbing to my habit but the cravings were strong, I was addicted and I knew it but I didnt want to be addicted.
So that was the internal struggle that day.
A passing thought "theres a better way"
That thought stopped me dead in my tracks, it was if a bolt of lightning entered my head, but the overwhelming sensation was not unpleasant, rather it was very pleasant.
This thing lit me up, it filled every cell in my body.
So Im standing there thinking what in the hell is this ???
The thought appeared in my mind "Is this God" BAM ! It happened again it was as if God himself touched me with his gracious kiss and lifted me out of my shoes and smiled upon me. And as Im experiencing this amazing sensation the thought God appeared again and the sensation appeared again.
To me it was earth shaking, the whole world stopped for those moments.
Then as I realized I was standing on the sidewalk and cars were passing I felt absurd and the thought of continuing my trip to buy drugs appeared in my mind and as soon as it did the sensations dissappeared. They were just gone.
This Godly thing from that day forward has guided me. Its my lighthouse.
It never leaves me.
When I make poor chices Im on my own but when I need guidance it always appears for me.
The reason I bring this up is because as I said I think our personal resources remain untapped and to me the clear path to a higher knowing lies within each and every one of us, as they say if you but have the eyes to see.
Ill give you an example of something that happened to me a long time ago.
I was walking down the street, I was on my way to buy drugs. As I was walking I was struggling with my drug abuse, I knew I was better than succumbing to my habit but the cravings were strong, I was addicted and I knew it but I didnt want to be addicted.
So that was the internal struggle that day.
A passing thought "theres a better way"
That thought stopped me dead in my tracks, it was if a bolt of lightning entered my head, but the overwhelming sensation was not unpleasant, rather it was very pleasant.
This thing lit me up, it filled every cell in my body.
So Im standing there thinking what in the hell is this ???
The thought appeared in my mind "Is this God" BAM ! It happened again it was as if God himself touched me with his gracious kiss and lifted me out of my shoes and smiled upon me. And as Im experiencing this amazing sensation the thought God appeared again and the sensation appeared again.
To me it was earth shaking, the whole world stopped for those moments.
Then as I realized I was standing on the sidewalk and cars were passing I felt absurd and the thought of continuing my trip to buy drugs appeared in my mind and as soon as it did the sensations dissappeared. They were just gone.
This Godly thing from that day forward has guided me. Its my lighthouse.
It never leaves me.
When I make poor chices Im on my own but when I need guidance it always appears for me.
The reason I bring this up is because as I said I think our personal resources remain untapped and to me the clear path to a higher knowing lies within each and every one of us, as they say if you but have the eyes to see.
I AM AWESOME MAN
Nature as GOD
I agree............... The soul is alive NOW........ and will always be alive in some form......
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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Mike CT wrote: [...]
Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.
Mike CTThe restrictive bureaucracy that is Socialism is far, far from Nature. Try anarchy. Now THAT's natural.
I think it's funny how people get wrapped around the axle when talking about whether God created reality by laying it all out at once or by putting down a single seed and nurturing it into the reality we now know.
Why is it even relevant?
Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.
Mike CTThe restrictive bureaucracy that is Socialism is far, far from Nature. Try anarchy. Now THAT's natural.
I think it's funny how people get wrapped around the axle when talking about whether God created reality by laying it all out at once or by putting down a single seed and nurturing it into the reality we now know.
Why is it even relevant?
Nature as GOD
Three engineering students were discussing the possible
designers of the human body. One said, "It had to be a
mechanical engineer -- look at all the joints."
Another said, "No, it had to be an electrical engineer
-- the nervous system is just a marvel of millions of
electrical connections."
The third said, "Actually, it was a civil engineer.
Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline right through
a recreational area?"
designers of the human body. One said, "It had to be a
mechanical engineer -- look at all the joints."
Another said, "No, it had to be an electrical engineer
-- the nervous system is just a marvel of millions of
electrical connections."
The third said, "Actually, it was a civil engineer.
Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline right through
a recreational area?"
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
Nature as GOD
*Why is it even relevant?*
Its the process. The struggle from which questions develop into answers. Evolution of man, its why we travel in space, the questions existed and the yearning for knowledge was too overwhelming to ignore. Its all relevant.
Its the process. The struggle from which questions develop into answers. Evolution of man, its why we travel in space, the questions existed and the yearning for knowledge was too overwhelming to ignore. Its all relevant.
I AM AWESOME MAN
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Nomad wrote: *Why is it even relevant?*
Its the process. The struggle from which questions develop into answers. Evolution of man, its why we travel in space, the questions existed and the yearning for knowledge was too overwhelming to ignore. Its all relevant.
Here's the question I pose to those of religious faith that say it is important:
If we discover that God created reality not by laying it all out at once, but by putting down a single seed and nurturing it through evolution into the reality we now know, would it change your faith in God?
Its the process. The struggle from which questions develop into answers. Evolution of man, its why we travel in space, the questions existed and the yearning for knowledge was too overwhelming to ignore. Its all relevant.
Here's the question I pose to those of religious faith that say it is important:
If we discover that God created reality not by laying it all out at once, but by putting down a single seed and nurturing it through evolution into the reality we now know, would it change your faith in God?
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Accountable wrote: Here's the question I pose to those of religious faith that say it is important:
If we discover that God created reality not by laying it all out at once, but by putting down a single seed and nurturing it through evolution into the reality we now know, would it change your faith in God?
No because if it exists now then its all connected. I dont trouble myself with the evolution vs creation argument because as living beings arent we still evolving now ? It all works if you allow for unknown realities and the possibility that we as men actually understand very little. Im always a little perplexed by those that assume they have all the answers.
If we discover that God created reality not by laying it all out at once, but by putting down a single seed and nurturing it through evolution into the reality we now know, would it change your faith in God?
No because if it exists now then its all connected. I dont trouble myself with the evolution vs creation argument because as living beings arent we still evolving now ? It all works if you allow for unknown realities and the possibility that we as men actually understand very little. Im always a little perplexed by those that assume they have all the answers.
I AM AWESOME MAN
Nature as GOD
Accountable wrote: Here's the question I pose to those of religious faith that say it is important:
If we discover that God created reality not by laying it all out at once, but by putting down a single seed and nurturing it through evolution into the reality we now know, would it change your faith in God?
no not one bit. I belive we were born with the abilty to ask "WHY"
That is why we stood up and made the wheel. So I think it is relevant but makes no difference at the same time (make sense?). Man is a curious thing and wants to know all.. Just human nature to try and find the answers, I think..... it was put in our souls to ask "WHY"
If we discover that God created reality not by laying it all out at once, but by putting down a single seed and nurturing it through evolution into the reality we now know, would it change your faith in God?
no not one bit. I belive we were born with the abilty to ask "WHY"
That is why we stood up and made the wheel. So I think it is relevant but makes no difference at the same time (make sense?). Man is a curious thing and wants to know all.. Just human nature to try and find the answers, I think..... it was put in our souls to ask "WHY"
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So looking at both your responses (Nomad & BTS) it's not relevant so much as interesting. Right?
Much like why did you take Maple Street rather than Elm.
Much like why did you take Maple Street rather than Elm.
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Accountable wrote: So looking at both your responses (Nomad & BTS) it's not relevant so much as interesting. Right?
Much like why did you take Maple Street rather than Elm.
Ya sorta....... It would be nice to unlock the mysteries of time and just how it all came to be. I do not dwell on it tho.
I have some crazy theories of my own (another place and time).
So just why in the heck did I take Maple instead of Elm.......?
When I always take Elm but took Maple today.
Maybe because I had a inner feeling saying that was the safest way to go today.
And I made it too.
Much like why did you take Maple Street rather than Elm.
Ya sorta....... It would be nice to unlock the mysteries of time and just how it all came to be. I do not dwell on it tho.
I have some crazy theories of my own (another place and time).
So just why in the heck did I take Maple instead of Elm.......?
When I always take Elm but took Maple today.
Maybe because I had a inner feeling saying that was the safest way to go today.
And I made it too.
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It is relevant if the thought exists. We each progress at our own rate. To address the authors question whether stem cells can survive in the outer reaches of space...well I dont know, Im just not smart enough but thats his thought process and in a unified effort, a brain storm if you will eventually it all becomes a part of the evolution of coming to conclusions. One mind one thought aint gonna cut it. Again-the struggle of searching for answers requires questions-the more the merrier.
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So nature is God? then who created Nature?:D
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Mike CT wrote: Why I believe NATURE is GOD
Nature is the ONLY creator of all life.
Who created nature? Besides, Mike, you throw that out, but you can't prove it. You only have the viewpoint of one planet in a small fringe solar system. On other worlds, perhaps something else creates life. You have no proof.
The female being the most important
of the pairs.
Again, how do you figure? It's an equal partnership, without males, life could not begin either. And what about creatures that are hermaphroditic? They have no "females" or "males". Hear that flushing sound? It's your theory going down the drain.
The male acts as the protector and servant.
I know some female Marines and Air force Fighter Pilots that would really have a problem with that.
Nature has created food for us all and it is free.
Incorrect. All food must be manufactured at a cost of energy to the maker. Plants use sunlight, other animals use combustion, either way nothing's free.
Nature has given all creatures its clothing. Almost all pairs (female and male)
wear the same clothing.
What the bloody hell are you talking about? Only man wears clothing, mostly because millenia of living in shelters has made our fur useless. (Hey, except for my uncle, he still has fur!) Unless you are talking about coloring. In which case I direct your attention to male parrots versus female parrots, they do not resemble each other in any way other than they are both birds.
Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
You must be kidding. Nature? Liberal? Nature, is a bloody, viscious, remorseless master. Of course there are laws....the biggest being "adapt and procreate or become extinct." What about physical laws of Nature? Why don't you try going up to the top of a 7 story building, jumping off and trying to break the "Law of Gravity". If you succeed, I'll give you five bucks.
Nature requires no licenses to reproduce or any other licenses for that matter. Hence, no costly marriages.
So your theory is that since mankind likes to formalize relationships with a ceremony, we are worshipping the wrong God? Pfft. This is a topic of interpersonal relationships, not your thread of the "Nature of God." Nice try at changing the subject.
It has created the food chain as our burial sites, hence no funerals.
After you die, I'll bet the mites in your eyelashes have a funeral, since they will soon die too.
It has given us our own doctors with the 'immune systems' within us.
Got ya! If nature is God, then why do people get sick and die? If their immune systems are their doctors, then God needs to be fired. My own immune system is compromised, does that mean that God is mad at me? Poppycock!
It requires no rituals,
Rituals such as mating dances?:D
tithes or taxes,
Such as the expenditure of energy for survival, you mean? You keep thinking in terms of money, while your trying to explain why Nature doesn't use it. Her currency is energy, and the failure to pay a bill is Death. Pretty "Liberal God", eh?
And of course it requires taxes, this whole post is taxing my patience!
forced attendances and etc.
Ask a Sea Turtle if attendance is "forced" at the egg laying migration. Of course it is!
It grants no property ownerships,
Really? I know a mountain lion that thinks the mountain in back of my house is his property.
patents or any other grants to create millionaires or billionaires.
Now you shift to talking about technology. I thought the subject was Nature!
It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
Other than if you don't eat, you die.
If you don't get enough oxygen, you die.
If your heart stops beating, you die.
I call those some serious restrictions, buddy.
It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death
Now I get to call you a flat-out liar. My mother died of Lou Gehrig's Disease. A lingering, excruciating disease. Any member here with a relative that died from cancer will support me.
It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns)
Eating babies? What happened to this "merciful God" you talk about?
Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities. Mike CT
Oh. You're a socialist. Well no wonder you have this weird philosophy, Mike. Poor brain-washed puppy. Socialism has been tried and it failed miserably. Stalin killed millions, and before him the Nazis decimated the world. So much for your "natural" system of government.
Socialism is the worst system ever for exactly the reason that you stated in this topic, It ignores the Natural instincts of Mankind to survive. A just, evenly-distributed system such as you suggest never works because it falls apart due to corruption. Why do Socialist leaders become corrupt? Because it's natural to try to get as much as you can in this world.
That's why squirrels stock up on more nuts than they need for the winter!
Now...speaking of nuts. You have just officially joined the "tinfoil hat" club.
Nature is the ONLY creator of all life.
Who created nature? Besides, Mike, you throw that out, but you can't prove it. You only have the viewpoint of one planet in a small fringe solar system. On other worlds, perhaps something else creates life. You have no proof.
The female being the most important
of the pairs.
Again, how do you figure? It's an equal partnership, without males, life could not begin either. And what about creatures that are hermaphroditic? They have no "females" or "males". Hear that flushing sound? It's your theory going down the drain.
The male acts as the protector and servant.
I know some female Marines and Air force Fighter Pilots that would really have a problem with that.
Nature has created food for us all and it is free.
Incorrect. All food must be manufactured at a cost of energy to the maker. Plants use sunlight, other animals use combustion, either way nothing's free.
Nature has given all creatures its clothing. Almost all pairs (female and male)
wear the same clothing.
What the bloody hell are you talking about? Only man wears clothing, mostly because millenia of living in shelters has made our fur useless. (Hey, except for my uncle, he still has fur!) Unless you are talking about coloring. In which case I direct your attention to male parrots versus female parrots, they do not resemble each other in any way other than they are both birds.
Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
You must be kidding. Nature? Liberal? Nature, is a bloody, viscious, remorseless master. Of course there are laws....the biggest being "adapt and procreate or become extinct." What about physical laws of Nature? Why don't you try going up to the top of a 7 story building, jumping off and trying to break the "Law of Gravity". If you succeed, I'll give you five bucks.
Nature requires no licenses to reproduce or any other licenses for that matter. Hence, no costly marriages.
So your theory is that since mankind likes to formalize relationships with a ceremony, we are worshipping the wrong God? Pfft. This is a topic of interpersonal relationships, not your thread of the "Nature of God." Nice try at changing the subject.
It has created the food chain as our burial sites, hence no funerals.
After you die, I'll bet the mites in your eyelashes have a funeral, since they will soon die too.
It has given us our own doctors with the 'immune systems' within us.
Got ya! If nature is God, then why do people get sick and die? If their immune systems are their doctors, then God needs to be fired. My own immune system is compromised, does that mean that God is mad at me? Poppycock!
It requires no rituals,
Rituals such as mating dances?:D
tithes or taxes,
Such as the expenditure of energy for survival, you mean? You keep thinking in terms of money, while your trying to explain why Nature doesn't use it. Her currency is energy, and the failure to pay a bill is Death. Pretty "Liberal God", eh?
And of course it requires taxes, this whole post is taxing my patience!
forced attendances and etc.
Ask a Sea Turtle if attendance is "forced" at the egg laying migration. Of course it is!
It grants no property ownerships,
Really? I know a mountain lion that thinks the mountain in back of my house is his property.
patents or any other grants to create millionaires or billionaires.
Now you shift to talking about technology. I thought the subject was Nature!
It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
Other than if you don't eat, you die.
If you don't get enough oxygen, you die.
If your heart stops beating, you die.
I call those some serious restrictions, buddy.
It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death
Now I get to call you a flat-out liar. My mother died of Lou Gehrig's Disease. A lingering, excruciating disease. Any member here with a relative that died from cancer will support me.
It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns)
Eating babies? What happened to this "merciful God" you talk about?
Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities. Mike CT
Oh. You're a socialist. Well no wonder you have this weird philosophy, Mike. Poor brain-washed puppy. Socialism has been tried and it failed miserably. Stalin killed millions, and before him the Nazis decimated the world. So much for your "natural" system of government.
Socialism is the worst system ever for exactly the reason that you stated in this topic, It ignores the Natural instincts of Mankind to survive. A just, evenly-distributed system such as you suggest never works because it falls apart due to corruption. Why do Socialist leaders become corrupt? Because it's natural to try to get as much as you can in this world.
That's why squirrels stock up on more nuts than they need for the winter!
Now...speaking of nuts. You have just officially joined the "tinfoil hat" club.
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But other than that, he's pretty much on the money. Right, Jives? :yh_tong2
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ROFL> Yeah...but honestly, the only thing he got right was the period at the end of his sentences.
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It's a common error. I mean, how many people praise or condemn the car, but never the designer?
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This thread is meandering a bit but one point I will add is about the common misconception people have about science and religion in that there are vaguely smilar "belief" systems. That could not be further from the truth, the question of faith or belief just doesn't come into proper science, everything has to have some basis on empirical and repeatable results, actual phsical oservation, not religious belief or philosophical thought. Obviously when scientists think about difficult problems they speculate and theorize about things, but they don't claim any validity for anything without some tangible proof. They have to do this because if they didn't no other scientists would take them seriously.
That doesn't mean that scientists are not religious as individuals or hold personal beliefs about things, but generally they stay away in their professional lives in trying to deal with questions that appear (at the moment anyway) to be unanswerable in any physical way. All religions on the other hand have at their core a fundamental belief, usually in a God, or a pantheon of Gods, or an afterlife, or some form of "sacredness" or "divinity". These are of course important and intriguing ideas and many people around the world hold deeply religious veiws, but there is no way to really proove any of them in a lab or through a telescope so science just leaves those questions alone until it's (if ever) in a position to pose credible answers to the. Science is therefore simply an approach to thinking about things based on the assumption that you can use logical arguments and impirical evidence to explain the nature of the physical universe.
I have great repsect for religious ideas, there seems to be a universiality to them or at least in peoples need to believe in such things, there is no direct evidence for any of these beliefs, but conversly there is nothing to disprove the existence of a God either. What annoys me is when people claim to use scientific methods to proove certain aspects of say the bible, or spiritual healing, or the power of wicca or something. Which is just about as absurd as scientists trying to use the rituals of satanism to to work out the structure of atoms. The two are mutually incompatible as modes of thought. I reserve my special disdain for "creationism", which is the greatest load of nonsense ever propogated in modern times, how people could even consider such arguments to have any logical validity is beyond me.
That doesn't mean that scientists are not religious as individuals or hold personal beliefs about things, but generally they stay away in their professional lives in trying to deal with questions that appear (at the moment anyway) to be unanswerable in any physical way. All religions on the other hand have at their core a fundamental belief, usually in a God, or a pantheon of Gods, or an afterlife, or some form of "sacredness" or "divinity". These are of course important and intriguing ideas and many people around the world hold deeply religious veiws, but there is no way to really proove any of them in a lab or through a telescope so science just leaves those questions alone until it's (if ever) in a position to pose credible answers to the. Science is therefore simply an approach to thinking about things based on the assumption that you can use logical arguments and impirical evidence to explain the nature of the physical universe.
I have great repsect for religious ideas, there seems to be a universiality to them or at least in peoples need to believe in such things, there is no direct evidence for any of these beliefs, but conversly there is nothing to disprove the existence of a God either. What annoys me is when people claim to use scientific methods to proove certain aspects of say the bible, or spiritual healing, or the power of wicca or something. Which is just about as absurd as scientists trying to use the rituals of satanism to to work out the structure of atoms. The two are mutually incompatible as modes of thought. I reserve my special disdain for "creationism", which is the greatest load of nonsense ever propogated in modern times, how people could even consider such arguments to have any logical validity is beyond me.
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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That's the way to keep an open mind, scientist. 
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You have just officially joined the "tinfoil hat" club.
Ok Jives that one hurt.
Ok Jives that one hurt.
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Accountable wrote: That's the way to keep an open mind, scientist.
I don't know if your slagging me there, but think you are. What I will say is that there is no problem if you want to believe that the world is 6,000 years old and all that, thats a belief, and thats fine. But to claim that there is hard scientific evidence that supports this is just nonsense, and if that offends people then tough, if they want to put what are matters of religion and faith into a scientific arena then they should expect them to be treated as scientific questions and should not be surprised when they are dismissed out of hand and I have no sympathy for them.
I don't know if your slagging me there, but think you are. What I will say is that there is no problem if you want to believe that the world is 6,000 years old and all that, thats a belief, and thats fine. But to claim that there is hard scientific evidence that supports this is just nonsense, and if that offends people then tough, if they want to put what are matters of religion and faith into a scientific arena then they should expect them to be treated as scientific questions and should not be surprised when they are dismissed out of hand and I have no sympathy for them.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally wrote: I don't know if your slagging me there, but think you are. What I will say is that there is no problem if you want to believe that the world is 6,000 years old and all that, thats a belief, and thats fine. But to claim that there is hard scientific evidence that supports this is just nonsense, and if that offends people then tough, if they want to put what are matters of religion and faith into a scientific arena then they should expect them to be treated as scientific questions and should not be surprised when they are dismissed out of hand and I have no sympathy for them.
Another great post by Galbally, hey you're really starting to fit in around here!
Oh...and I stole that "tinfoil hat" crack from the great one himself, Anastrophe.
If you haven't been dissected by him yet, Galbally, you haven't lived.
I once fought him to a standstill in the "Insane Clown Posse" thread, but that's about the best you can hope for!:(
Another great post by Galbally, hey you're really starting to fit in around here!
Oh...and I stole that "tinfoil hat" crack from the great one himself, Anastrophe.
If you haven't been dissected by him yet, Galbally, you haven't lived.
I once fought him to a standstill in the "Insane Clown Posse" thread, but that's about the best you can hope for!:(
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Thank you, I await my ideas being mercilessly ripped apart with great anticipation. But what the hell is an "insane clown posse"? Was this something that happened in the wild west that we never knew about? Fascinating.
"We are never so happy, never so unhappy, as we imagine"
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
Nature as GOD
This is probably one of the greatest threads written here. It stars myself, of course, but there is also a wonderful full-blown battle between Anastrophe (One of the owners of this board) and me.
I consider this thread the ultimate battle on the influence of media on the young. read it beginning to end, it's absolutely fascinating!:D
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4651
I consider this thread the ultimate battle on the influence of media on the young. read it beginning to end, it's absolutely fascinating!:D
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4651
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To Jives
I do not know what you are defending. Our current evolved materialistic nature or the bible or What?
Science is objective in nature while religion is purely subjective.
The current dominating religions are derived from the bible. It is based on scriptures written by humans except the earlier Roman predatory history which seems to have originated from other sources.
I am an amateur scientist so my religion is objective since it is based on Nature.
Scientists look to Nature as their teacher. That is why they study Nature, not the bible.
Your selective refutations of Nature as a teacher is pure bias.
I think of Nature in generalities, not selectively as you do.
Nature and its inhabitants are ten times more civilized than people will ever be.
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
So look to the ONLY real creator of life. When you look to Nature from a total perspective, you can get answers to most of our current problems as I have done.
Mike CT
I do not know what you are defending. Our current evolved materialistic nature or the bible or What?
Science is objective in nature while religion is purely subjective.
The current dominating religions are derived from the bible. It is based on scriptures written by humans except the earlier Roman predatory history which seems to have originated from other sources.
I am an amateur scientist so my religion is objective since it is based on Nature.
Scientists look to Nature as their teacher. That is why they study Nature, not the bible.
Your selective refutations of Nature as a teacher is pure bias.
I think of Nature in generalities, not selectively as you do.
Nature and its inhabitants are ten times more civilized than people will ever be.
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
So look to the ONLY real creator of life. When you look to Nature from a total perspective, you can get answers to most of our current problems as I have done.
Mike CT
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Nature and its inhabitants are ten times more civilized than people will ever be.
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
What are pirannahas then?
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
What are pirannahas then?
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Mike CT wrote: [...]
So look to the ONLY real creator of life. When you look to Nature from a total perspective, you can get answers to most of our current problems as I have done.
Mike CTWhich are?
So look to the ONLY real creator of life. When you look to Nature from a total perspective, you can get answers to most of our current problems as I have done.
Mike CTWhich are?
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Nature and its inhabitants are ten times more civilized than people will ever be.
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
Thats simply foolish, human beings are as much part of nature as everything else, its just that our civilization (which is not applicable to the natural world as its not concious so ideas like being "civilized" don't occur to cats, they just do what they do) has been so sucessful that sometimes we forget that we are just a speicies of animal like all the rest, and basically follow the same rules they do, obviously we are clever sods, but thats the way evolution worked out for us, no secret. We are tool-making, problem solving, intelligent primates. So Hitler, Stalin, Nuclear bombs and all the nasty stuff is no more "unatural" than a great white shark, the bird flu, or hurricane Katrina. Of course we are the only part of the natural world that can think about itself, and what it all means, and all that, but again that ability was given to us by nature, we are exactly what we were intended to be and in that regard no different from trees, lions, slugs, bacteria, and all the rest.
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
Thats simply foolish, human beings are as much part of nature as everything else, its just that our civilization (which is not applicable to the natural world as its not concious so ideas like being "civilized" don't occur to cats, they just do what they do) has been so sucessful that sometimes we forget that we are just a speicies of animal like all the rest, and basically follow the same rules they do, obviously we are clever sods, but thats the way evolution worked out for us, no secret. We are tool-making, problem solving, intelligent primates. So Hitler, Stalin, Nuclear bombs and all the nasty stuff is no more "unatural" than a great white shark, the bird flu, or hurricane Katrina. Of course we are the only part of the natural world that can think about itself, and what it all means, and all that, but again that ability was given to us by nature, we are exactly what we were intended to be and in that regard no different from trees, lions, slugs, bacteria, and all the rest.
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Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally wrote: Nature and its inhabitants are ten times more civilized than people will ever be.
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
[...]
So Hitler, Stalin, Nuclear bombs and all the nasty stuff is no more "unatural" than a great white shark, the bird flu, or hurricane Katrina. [...]:-2
Yay, Stalin?
Nature did not create the Joseph Stalins, Pontius Pilates, the Adolph Hitlers, the Osama Bin Ladens or AlQuada or any other lesser predators.
[...]
So Hitler, Stalin, Nuclear bombs and all the nasty stuff is no more "unatural" than a great white shark, the bird flu, or hurricane Katrina. [...]:-2
Yay, Stalin?
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Chonsi quote
What are pirannahas then?
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You left out all the other predators. None of the natural predators drove other species to extinction like the human element.
Far Rider quote
It's all a matter of perspective... so look up!
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I am looking up since I am an amateur astronomer and codmologist. The reason why I posted the current thread is because of the religious conflicts that resulted from the biblical followers.
Accountable quote
Which are?
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The two major problems in our society are abortion and volentary euthabasia.
Nature allows 'post abortions' and there is no need for volentary euthanasia in Nature since there is no suffering.
Galbally
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We may appear to be natural but we are too far removed from Nature because of our materialistic orientation and predatory nature which is not natural.
Mike CT.
What are pirannahas then?
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You left out all the other predators. None of the natural predators drove other species to extinction like the human element.
Far Rider quote
It's all a matter of perspective... so look up!
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I am looking up since I am an amateur astronomer and codmologist. The reason why I posted the current thread is because of the religious conflicts that resulted from the biblical followers.
Accountable quote
Which are?
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The two major problems in our society are abortion and volentary euthabasia.
Nature allows 'post abortions' and there is no need for volentary euthanasia in Nature since there is no suffering.
Galbally
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We may appear to be natural but we are too far removed from Nature because of our materialistic orientation and predatory nature which is not natural.
Mike CT.