The freedoms we fight for ......

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:16 am

I believe in our freedom of speech. I even respect this tripe as an expression. I think we should exercise our freedom of speech as well, by writing the Washington Post and letting them know what we think of this cartoon, pro or con.

LINK

This is beyond tasteless.

Soldiers gave limbs so this bastard could be free to earn a living this way.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:20 am

I'm disappointed in the Washington Times for publishing this editorial cartoon. I have always respected this paper, and preferred it over the Post. I'm looking for a link today to write them about their bad judgment iand disrespect for our military people n this cartoon.

chrisb84uk · Post by **chrisb84uk** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:20 am

Have to agree with u there AC, can't say there is anything remotely positive that I could think about saying about this cartoon.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:33 am

Here is the link to write your comments about the political cartoon, I am filling mine out now.

http://www.washtimes.com/contact-us/

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:58 am

chonsigirl wrote: Here is the link to write your comments about the political cartoon, I am filling mine out now.

http://www.washtimes.com/contact-us/Thanks, Chonsi.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:53 am

Scrat wrote: I don't like the cartoon at all. I won't condemn it because I believe it to be an attempt to bring to light an aspect of the mess that has been created by Rummy and the Bush junta.

Look at the message people. LOOK AT THE MESSAGE!!!!:-5
There are lots of ways to deliver a message. This one crossed the line.

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:56 am

ugh! makes me sick to my stomach.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:10 am

This was my letter to the them:

To whom it may concern:

The political cartoon that depicts a wounded American soldier with amputated limbs as Ã¢â‚¬Å“battle hardenedÃ¢â‚¬ is in poor taste. This reflects upon you newspaper, that I have always assumed supported out men and women who fight in various arenas around the world. By publishing a cartoon like this, it insinuates that you do not support them, but that they are an object of derision. Any person or entity that would take lightly the injuries and deaths suffered by our military do not appreciate the freedoms that they are defending. By their defense of the First Amendment, you are able to print a deplorable political cartoon such as this. I suggest you should rethink your current policy on political cartoons to be printed in your newspaper. I know I will no longer be a proponent of your newspaper, until an apology is written to our fighting men and women who lay their lives on the line every day so you can print cartoons such as that.

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:28 am

I am disgusted! While I understand the written message, it really cheeses me that the satirist couldn't come up with a better way to convey that message.

My DH has had his hummer blown up twice underneath him and lost a couple of close friends. Certainly NOT something to be made light of.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:30 am

The Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote a Joint Letter to the Editor about it. I can't look it up right now. Can somebody research it please?

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:40 am

With our young men coming home in coffins or mained for life, this cartoon really stirs hurt and anger in most all of us. It is nice to be directed to a means of expressing our utter distaste for their failure in self-censoring.

Cartoons such as these bring back the memories of the Vietnam veterans who returned home only to be spit upon. Between people and media our men and women in service seem to get targeted all too quickly instead of the power that controls them.

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:59 am

Accountable wrote: The Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote a Joint Letter to the Editor about it. I can't look it up right now. Can somebody research it please?

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/art ... 1001955937

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:29 am

hotsauce wrote: http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/art ... 5937Thanks. :-6

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:33 am

Welcome

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:31 am

That cartoon is severely distasteful. A soldier who has been injured in the line of duty is not something to be made fun of.

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:35 am

Accountable wrote: I believe in our freedom of speech. I even respect this tripe as an expression. I think we should exercise our freedom of speech as well, by writing the Washington Times and letting them know what we think of this cartoon, pro or con.

LINK

This is beyond tasteless.

Soldiers gave limbs so this bastard could be free to earn a living this way.

When I read that cartoon I saw it as a statement about how Rumsfeld and the Bush administration treat our soldiers, not an insult to the wounded. I think that was Toles' intension.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:42 am

Benjamin wrote: When I read that cartoon I saw it as a statement about how Rumsfeld and the Bush administration treat our soldiers, not an insult to the wounded. I think that was Toles' intension.
I'm sure it was. It was just as tasteless as an anti-abortion activist showing pictures of a mangled fetus.

There are many ways to get a point across.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:21 pm

AC, you have mistaken which newspaper printed this editorial cartoon. The Washington Post did! And I got a reply already from the Times:

The cartoon in question ran in The Washington Post. I agree that it is in

poor taste; you should send your letter to them.

I just cut out the editor's name. I will post the Post link when I get home this afternoon!

*I am glad, I have always liked the Post*

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:29 pm

Sorry. the link was right, though. I edited the original post.

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:40 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: I have to say I read it exactly the same way. A powerful indictment of Bush's administration and Rumsfeld's insensetivity in particular. Yes it's a distasteful image but thats what war does to soldiers and that is how they are treated when they get home very often. I dont see it as an insult to the injured soldier at all.

Unfortunately, not all soldiers return untouched by war and with a chest full of medals. We ought to face both the reality of war and the reality of the shortsighted politicians that send them there, as uncomfortable as that makes us feel. We should be made to look at the pain and suffering soldiers endure and with a bit of luck we may not be so ready to send them off so quickly the next time

While you may well be right, as a military wife who sits home and waits for her husband's tour of duty in Iraq to be over, I think it is very offensive and the point certainly could have been made without trivializing the injuries to members of our military.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:46 pm

Hotsauce had it correct, it was the Washington Post that printed the Toles political cartoon.

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/..._id=1001955937

Here it is, January 29, 2006

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/op ... e=01292006

Address your comments to:

letters@washpost.com

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:18 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Political cartoons aren't meant to be cute and funny. I agree, this was very distasteful... which was probably the point.

And when you bring in to account that this administration does not allow for the "flag draped coffins" to be photographed, and you bring into light how the medical bills are being shifted to the poor vet.....this cartoon brings forth a powerful message.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:29 pm

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: And when you bring in to account that this administration does not allow for the "flag draped coffins" to be photographed, and you bring into light how the medical bills are being shifted to the poor vet.....this cartoon brings forth a powerful message.
How are the medical bills being shifted to the vet? I have never heard of active duty military having to pay for war wound medical care.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:27 pm

Accountable wrote: How are the medical bills being shifted to the vet? I have never heard of active duty military having to pay for war wound medical care.

hell if I know! :-3 -why do people(without big money) believe in Bush?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:56 pm

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: And when you bring in to account that this administration does not allow for the "flag draped coffins" to be photographed, and you bring into light how the medical bills are being shifted to the poor vet.....this cartoon brings forth a powerful message.Accountable wrote: How are the medical bills being shifted to the vet? I have never heard of active duty military having to pay for war wound medical care.StupidCowboyTricks wrote: hell if I know! :-3 -why do people(without big money) believe in Bush?
Oh, I don't know. I have a tough time believing rumor, especially when it goes against something I've had experience with. If you have no source for such an accusation, why make it? And if you do have a source, why don't you show it?

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm

Re: The freedoms we fight for ......

Quote:

Originally Posted by StupidCowboyTricks

And when you bring in to account that this administration does not allow for the "flag draped coffins" to be photographed, and you bring into light how the medical bills are being shifted to the poor vet.....this cartoon brings forth a powerful message.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Accountable

How are the medical bills being shifted to the vet? I have never heard of active duty military having to pay for war wound medical care.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StupidCowboyTricks

hell if I know! -why do people(without big money) believe in Bush?

Accountable wrote: Oh, I don't know. I have a tough time believing rumor, especially when it goes against something I've had experience with. If you have no source for such an accusation, why make it? And if you do have a source, why don't you show it?

ACC:

Heaven forbid he let the facts get in the way........

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:09 pm

BTS wrote:

Heaven forbid he let the facts get in the way........
*whispers* She's a she, man. :p

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:59 am

I just heard on the radio that another cartoon ran within the last few days that the radical Muslims found insulting. CNN ran the story blacking out the offensive part of the cartoon, but showed the entire Rumsfeld cartoon that's insulted so many of us. :yh_frustr

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:09 am

Stories

Cartoons

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:41 am

Accountable wrote: I just heard on the radio that another cartoon ran within the last few days that the radical Muslims found insulting. CNN ran the story blacking out the offensive part of the cartoon, but showed the entire Rumsfeld cartoon that's insulted so many of us. :yh_frustr
Both cartoons were out of place.

But, if we do not express our opinions, and tell the paper so-they will continue to print them. Write to the Washington Post-I sure got a quick reply from the Times when it was stated in this thread it was them. Consumer relations will get their attention.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:23 pm

Accountable wrote: Oh, I don't know. I have a tough time believing rumor, especially when it goes against something I've had experience with. If you have no source for such an accusation, why make it? And if you do have a source, why don't you show it?

I gave you a source "rim rod" I'm commenting on Snoozes article........the one I gave you was a Veterans web site was a Vets web site....you find it now. It's all over the media now anyways......check out snoozes......google

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:59 pm

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: I gave you a source "rim rod" I'm commenting on Snoozes article........the one I gave you was a Veterans web site was a Vets web site....you find it now. It's all over the media now anyways......check out snoozes......google
If you're gonna insult somebody for being less smart than you, you hafta spell it right. ... Although "rim rod" does bring forth a rather unpleasant visual, doesn't it? :-2

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:07 pm

I read it again. Nothing there about medical bills being shifted to the wounded vets. Rein in the accusations.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:37 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Gawd Accountable, you're such a rim rod.:rolleyes:
I like it when you say it. :-4 :sneaky:

hotsauce · Post by **hotsauce** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:59 pm

totally just spit out my drink reading "rim rod"...love that.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:43 pm

Accountable wrote: If you're gonna insult somebody for being less smart than you, you hafta spell it right. ... Although "rim rod" does bring forth a rather unpleasant visual, doesn't it?

erm, "rim rod" is correct spelling and who said it's an insult? The visual is "all you make it":sneaky: -"butthole surfers" comes to mind....I don't know why though......(it's a name of an old rock group)

..........................................:guitarist :-6 You are the "Sunshine of my life" Acc:p