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A girl is to become Britain's youngest mother after becoming pregnant at 11.

The girl smokes 20 cigarettes a day despite being eight months' pregnant. She conceived aged 11 when she lost her virginity to a boy of 15 on a drunken night out with friends.

The 15-year-old has since been charged with rape by police, and is due to appear again at Edinburgh sheriff court on July 10.

Her 34-year-old mother, who gave birth to her youngest child eight months ago, said she was 'proud' of her daughter.

She will be 12 years and 8 months when she has the child next month. Jenny Teague, Britain's youngest mother until now, was a month older when she gave birth in 1997

The girl, who has shoulder-length dark hair, began smoking at nine and started drinking tonic wine and vodka cocktails at ten. She claimed her cigarette habit was not harming the health of her unborn child.

She said: "I can give up smoking at any time, but I don't find it affects my pregnancy."

The girl, whose parents split up several years ago, said she would like a baby boy - and may call him Leo.

She is currently being educated at a local community centre but knows she must return to school.

'Proud of my daughter'

Her mum said: "I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her for keeping the baby.

"I know she's worried what other people will say but she can walk out there with her head held high.

"At first I wasn't too happy about becoming a gran. But now I'm used to the idea. I'm really looking forward to having another baby in the house."



When i first heard about this i was totally shocked, more at the fact that the mother is proud of her daughter?

soo any opinions on this please? Who do you blame? The parents? Education? i find in these cases more and more often the parents get blamed for everything? yes they can tell there child right and wrong but are they listning? they make there own decisions after all right?

Well i would love to hear all of your opinions please :D
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ilona17 wrote: [ Who do you blame? The parents?


Darn right. Is there anyone here who would let their 11-year old be out at night, getting drunk without supervision?

this kind of thing may seem shocking to some, but as an educator of alternative children, its commonplace to me.

I have three 15-year-olds who have children, two 14-year-olds who are currently pregnant, and one little 13-year-old who is expecting in June.

If you would like an explanation, I can't give you one. Kids these days have more accessability to contraceptives that ever before. Heck, twhen I was their age, you had to put on a disguise to buy condoms, now they're everywhere. (Is this the problem?) So I have no idea why they wouldn't be using contraceptives.

I know for a fact that all these girls listen to music that pounds a sex message into their heads all day long. The movies that they watch are also saturated with sex, as is the TV shows that they like. Some of them even have access to porno channels at home.

We used to have a pretty good sex-ed curriculum, but the parents axed it because they thought it would make the kids more promiscuous if they knew how to have sex.

Seems like they are doing a great job of finding out all about it by themselves.



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I'm far more offended by the behaviour of Sun and the Mail reporters in such circumstances.

http://www.childrens-express.org/dynami ... 337471.htm is a salutory story about these vultures.
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Jives wrote: Darn right. Is there anyone here who would let their 11-year old be out at night, getting drunk without supervision?

this kind of thing may seem shocking to some, but as an educator of alternative children, its commonplace to me.

I have three 15-year-olds who have children, two 14-year-olds who are currently pregnant, and one little 13-year-old who is expecting in June.

If you would like an explanation, I can't give you one. Kids these days have more accessability to contraceptives that ever before. Heck, twhen I was their age, you had to put on a disguise to buy condoms, now they're everywhere. (Is this the problem?) So I have no idea why they wouldn't be using contraceptives.

I know for a fact that all these girls listen to music that pounds a sex message into their heads all day long. The movies that they watch are also saturated with sex, as is the TV shows that they like. Some of them even have access to porno channels at home.

We used to have a pretty good sex-ed curriculum, but the parents axed it because they thought it would make the kids more promiscuous if they knew how to have sex.

Seems like they are doing a great job of finding out all about it by themselves.



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Well axing sex eduaction is a bad thing in my eyes, isnt it better to educate your children about having sex safely then not to and to seem them get pregnant and catching std's? I really dont know, as im not a parent my self, but if i was that would be my opinion. Alcohol is to accesible. and i dont think that making condoms or contraceptive methods available is the problem, although some people may say that this encourages them? and gives them the message that its alrite to have sex at a young age. I think i might join u ..... :-5
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spot wrote: I'm far more offended by the behaviour of Sun and the Mail reporters in such circumstances.

http://www.childrens-express.org/dynami ... 337471.htm is a salutory story about these vultures.


Yes i can definently see your point here.. i supose at the end of the day no matter what you do you dont deserve to be hounded by the press. And its still there private life no matter what.
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flopstock wrote: I think that anyone that expresses a negative thought about the girl having the child at this age has no business being opposed to abortion. The mother should be proud that she is choosing to have it. There are other options available.. and the mothers pride rather then shame may be one reason the girl has not opted out..



That being said, I think we have gapping room here for discussion on a twelve year old trying to be a parent.




I have to say that i agree, Especially about the mother's pride. And i also agree that yes she should be proud that she's having it. Thats a brave thing to do? and in my eyes definently not the easy way out. although she did get her self pregnant and the baby is innocent.
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From what I've read elsewhere, this girls mother appears to be a shocking parent


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Her mum said: "I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her for keeping the baby.

"I know she's worried what other people will say but she can walk out there with her head held high.

*** Of course the mother want's her daughter to keep the child, because it mean's the awful woman will get more benefit's.***

For a start the woman should be charged with child neglect NO child of 11 should be allowed out to the wee small hour's to drink and smoke.

The baby's father aged 15 has been charged - good .

The child should be made a ward of the court it's obvious the 34 yearold mother is an unfit parent .

God this make's me so mad i have a teenager and i would be horrified if my child at 16 got pregnant let alone 11. What ever happened to shame an 11 yearold mother is SHAMEFUL it's a disgrace, some where sometime we have to break the cycle just because a a person is capable of bearing a child does'nt mean it should .
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Why in the world is an 11 year old smoking, drinking or pregnant???? Seriously I was in 5th grade (I think) booze, sex none of that was on my mind. I don't understand anything anymore, it seems kids are doing things alot younger and younger these days. And my question is why????
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ilona17 wrote: Well axing sex eduaction is a bad thing in my eyes, isnt it better to educate your children about having sex safely then not to and to seem them get pregnant and catching std's? I really dont know, as im not a parent my self, but if i was that would be my opinion. Alcohol is to accesible. and i dont think that making condoms or contraceptive methods available is the problem, although some people may say that this encourages them? and gives them the message that its alrite to have sex at a young age. I think i might join u ..... :-5


So what about the pill..... my daughter is 17 in july she has a steady boyfriend he is nearly 18 and they have been together over a year and she is 100% against abortion UNLIKE ME, but at least she has had the brain's ( and without help from me) she has researched the pro's and con's of the contraceptive pill and has protected her self.
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Jives wrote: Darn right. Is there anyone here who would let their 11-year old be out at night, getting drunk without supervision?



this kind of thing may seem shocking to some, but as an educator of alternative children, its commonplace to me.



I have three 15-year-olds who have children, two 14-year-olds who are currently pregnant, and one little 13-year-old who is expecting in June.



If you would like an explanation, I can't give you one. Kids these days have more accessability to contraceptives that ever before. Heck, twhen I was their age, you had to put on a disguise to buy condoms, now they're everywhere. (Is this the problem?) So I have no idea why they wouldn't be using contraceptives.



I know for a fact that all these girls listen to music that pounds a sex message into their heads all day long. The movies that they watch are also saturated with sex, as is the TV shows that they like. Some of them even have access to porno channels at home.



We used to have a pretty good sex-ed curriculum, but the parents axed it because they thought it would make the kids more promiscuous if they knew how to have sex.



Seems like they are doing a great job of finding out all about it by themselves.



This is me, pounding my head against the wall...literally.:-5


IMO sex education is extremely important. It should not be glossed over, although for under 11s it needs to be handled in a 'sensitive ' way.

It should be repeated each year. Children and teachers/experts should be able to have frank and open discussions. Sure some kids think they know it all and will be disruptive but that is no reason to duck the responsibilities.

Parents have a huge responsibility in teaching their kids the 'facts of life'. It is un-believable that in this day and age adults are reluctant to discuss such matters with kids.

There is no way that I would be proud of any child of mine getting pregnant at 11....discuss the options and support the child yes but don't tell the child your proud of them ....geez....smoking, drinking at 11 ? :-5
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Oh, this is a sad story. What kind of life must the child and mother live, that these actions are considered all right? And smoking and drinking while pregnant-is she not getting proper medical supervision to tell her to stop it?:(
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pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: So what about the pill..... my daughter is 17 in july she has a steady boyfriend he is nearly 18 and they have been together over a year and she is 100% against abortion UNLIKE ME, but at least she has had the brain's ( and without help from me) she has researched the pro's and con's of the contraceptive pill and has protected her self.


Well smart girl you got there. Well its good that she did it with out help from you. But its alway's good to know that you can ask for help and advice from your parent or parents.
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Bez wrote: IMO sex education is extremely important. It should not be glossed over, although for under 11s it needs to be handled in a 'sensitive ' way.

It should be repeated each year. Children and teachers/experts should be able to have frank and open discussions. Sure some kids think they know it all and will be disruptive but that is no reason to duck the responsibilities.

Parents have a huge responsibility in teaching their kids the 'facts of life'. It is un-believable that in this day and age adults are reluctant to discuss such matters with kids.

There is no way that I would be proud of any child of mine getting pregnant at 11....discuss the options and support the child yes but don't tell the child your proud of them ....geez....smoking, drinking at 11 ? :-5


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chonsigirl wrote: Oh, this is a sad story. What kind of life must the child and mother live, that these actions are considered all right? And smoking and drinking while pregnant-is she not getting proper medical supervision to tell her to stop it?:(


Well i think she must be gettin the proper medical care, but what do you really expect a 11/12 year old to know? she thinks because she feels fine when smoking etc that this is not having a detremental effect on her child. And i myself definently cant see her mother telling her to stop smoking. Well the mother obviously never taught her child much about it not being right to smoke and drink at the age she did, or teach her about sex. and i guess this is the result.
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It sounds so jaded but lm not surprised by these stories anymore..

I fully blame the parents, what the hell is a child doing out late at night and drinking...

never mind getting pregnant, how about rape, aids...

I am not against abortion and have to say that we also have to consider the medical issues with a child like this getting pregnant..

It is just not healthy for her or the eventual baby...

The mother is proud...the mother wants a slap and to have any remaining children and this one taken away. for crying out loud this is wanton neglect..

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I didnt even have a period at eleven! Wow! I am speechless and a little angry to say the least. Im staying out of this one.






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quote from BBC website: "The Scottish Sun said the girl, who has not been named, had unprotected sex with the boy on a night out with friends in Edinburgh in August. "



What is an 11 year old doing on a 'night out' in a big city ?
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flopstock wrote:

but that doesn't seem to stop us from judging...:thinking:


My mother knew every place I was and everything I was up to when I was 11. Any parents whose house I went to were completely trustworthy and took any responsibility seriously.

To imply that it's not right for us to judge is to imply that a mother cannot be responsible for an 11-year-old.

That's simply not true. I'll judge her right now: Letting an 11-year old get drunk, smoke cigarettes, and get pregnant is irresponsible. The mother let her daughter down.

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Jives wrote: My mother knew every place I was and everything I was up to when I was 11. Any parents whose house I went to were completely trustworthy and took any responsibility seriously.

To imply that it's not right for us to judge is to imply that a mother cannot be responsible for an 11-year-old.

That's simply not true. I'll judge her right now: Letting an 11-year old get drunk, smoke cigarettes, and get pregnant is irresponsible. The mother let her daughter down.

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Im only young my self, but i have to agree with this comment. At 11 a mother should definently know what there child is upto all the time and know where they are. This time she got pregnant? well maybe thats good, she could have been going off with any shady bloke :-3
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ilona17 wrote: Im only young my self, but i have to agree with this comment. At 11 a mother should definently know what there child is upto all the time and know where they are. This time she got pregnant? well maybe thats good, she could have been going off with any shady bloke :-3


Absolutely...she could have ended up another tragic statistic....kidnapped, raped, murdered. I'm not judging the mother but I am questioning the circumstances here and they sound dodgy to me but not all that unusual in this day and age. 11 years old...she is a CHILD...not even an adolescent :mad:
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Bez wrote: Absolutely...she could have ended up another tragic statistic....kidnapped, raped, murdered. I'm not judging the mother but I am questioning the circumstances here and they sound dodgy to me but not all that unusual in this day and age. 11 years old...she is a CHILD...not even an adolescent :mad:


Woah exactly a child practically a *baby* her self being a mother to a baby, and letting her mother help bring up that child? I know you cant alway's know where your kids are or what they are doing. But surely at 11 you will be keeping a good eye one them. Well she should have been.....
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Sheryl wrote: Why in the world is an 11 year old smoking, drinking or pregnant???? Seriously I was in 5th grade (I think) booze, sex none of that was on my mind. I don't understand anything anymore, it seems kids are doing things alot younger and younger these days. And my question is why????


lthat child, really a baby herself...must be smoking and drinking where her mother sees or knows about it...yes, it is the mothers fault...she is more than likely a single mother herself and the child does what she sees and hears about...i cannot imagine one of my grandchildren having to go to their parent and tell them they were pregnant...all everything would break loose and then there would be serious discussion...not that mom is proud but what ever happened to the word "shame" it doesn't seem to be around anymore....and if that child had been "drugged" to church...she would understand that drugs can be a good thing when she was "drugged" to the woodshed the first time mom caught her smoking or drinking...but PROUD? I think not.
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BABIES having BABIES!

It's ridiculous if the "childlike "34" year old Parent" helself is not held accountable. What does an 11 year old know about life in general, responsibilities, right from wrong, hardships to be faced, she is reliant on her Parent(s) for guidance, and values. The fact alone that the Mother is saying she is proud of her 11 year old daughter deciding to keep the baby, shows just immature she herself is! This 12 year old mom to be, has no idea what it will take to be a "good" mom. Due to the fact that she apperantly did not have one herself, when she was growing up! But, she didn't grow up yet! She only got pregnant, what a crying shame! :wah:
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OK, it makes me angry to think of a parent letting an 11 year old do this stuff..but what about the boy!! OK, there should be a bit more reason there at age 15 than at 11...but what is a boy THAT age doing out smoking and drinking?

I am not familiar with British law, but can a person who is underage (at least here in the US 15 is still not a legal adult) be charged with rape? Wouldn't he be considerd a child also? If she chooses to keep the baby (assuming she goes to term with it) he should be held financially responsible if the baby is, indeed, prooven to be biologically his.

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Marie5656 wrote: I will step off the soapbox now.


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Marie5656 wrote: OK, it makes me angry to think of a parent letting an 11 year old do this stuff..but what about the boy!! OK, there should be a bit more reason there at age 15 than at 11...but what is a boy THAT age doing out smoking and drinking?

I am not familiar with British law, but can a person who is underage (at least here in the US 15 is still not a legal adult) be charged with rape? Wouldn't he be considerd a child also? If she chooses to keep the baby (assuming she goes to term with it) he should be held financially responsible if the baby is, indeed, prooven to be biologically his.

I will step off the soapbox now.


The boy has been charged

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edi ... 764417.stm

It's sparked off a big debate about sex education in schools. One of the reasons for having it is to break the cycle of ignorance that leads to teen pregnancy in the first place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... urce=&ct=5

'Excited'

She told the Sun: "I didn't think I'd get pregnant because it was my first time. But I'm really excited and looking forward to being a mum.
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pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: [quote=ilona17][

Her mum said: I'm not ashamed of my daughter at all - in fact, I'm proud of her for keeping the baby.

I know she's worried what other people will say but she can walk out there with her head held high.

*** Of course the mother want's her daughter to keep the child, because it mean's the awful woman will get more benefit's.***

For a start the woman should be charged with child neglect NO child of 11 should be allowed out to the wee small hour's to drink and smoke.

The baby's father aged 15 has been charged - good .

The child should be made a ward of the court it's obvious the 34 yearold mother is an unfit parent .

God this make's me so mad i have a teenager and i would be horrified if my child at 16 got pregnant let alone 11. What ever happened to shame an 11 yearold mother is SHAMEFUL it's a disgrace, some where sometime we have to break the cycle just because a a person is capable of bearing a child does'nt mean it should .


Have to agree with you 100%

What really gets to me about these sort of stories is the neglect these kids suffer. A child should have the god given right to a happy childhood, and to be loved un-conditionally, just as they love us - unconditionaly.

What sort of future has this young girl ahead of her? her childhood is all but destroyed now.

She can't see anything wrong in what is happening because she has never been taught good, moral values by her mother. This is scandelous, her mother should be ashamed of her self. I can only hope that both children get the help, love and support that they will surely need.

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The girl's mother should be charged with child neglect. :mad:
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