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On one hand, George W. Bush has said, We are safer than we've ever been since before 9/11. On the other hand, he insists that another terrorist attack is right around the corner. Which one is it? You can't really have it both ways. Why is it that so many things are obvious to the American public but they don't seem to care.

This goes the same with double standards. On a news show about a month ago, I saw a man in New Mexico burning the Mexican flag in protest of the immigration bill. If it would have been an American flag being burned, the "Patriots" would be ready to invade. Right? About the immigration bill, something has been brought to my attention, why is it that only Mexicans are being targeted by the media? The last time I checked there were more than just Mexicans in the United States. For example Canadians, but here's the thing what does a Canadian look like?

One more topic, I'm not happy about what happened in Oklahoma City nor what happened on 9/11, but earlier this year someone read out every name of those who died in Oklahoma City and as far as 9/11 we have Flight 93 and several other reminders. Neither one of these tragedies encompassed more than 2 square miles yet they get sifgnificantly more coverage than New Orleans. There was national coverage due to the mayoral race but now that Nagin has been re-elected the coverage will cease.

In regards to the aforementioned 9/11 we now have a film called United 93. I'm sorry, but who survived on this plane again? No one? So who really knows what happened? No one? That's what I thought. These people are views as Patriots and heroes, why? Did they really sacrifice themselves I mean they WERE going to die anyway? I want to see a film that paints those in New Orleans in a positive light. I don't foresee that happening anytime soon though.

Supposedly one of the reasons for overthrowing Saddam was because he used chemical weapons on his own people and they wanted a democracy in Iraq. Well to this I say, at the time Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran wasn't he an ally of the United States? Who said Iraq wanted democracy? This sounds like a case of what was once known as "The White Man's Burden." Also based on merriam webster's definition insurgent is defined as a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government. Wouldn't that be the unfortunate U.S. troops that invaded a sovereign nation and not those people that live in that nation? If everyone is concerned with what happened with to those individuals in Iraq and how Saddam has killed so many people, why not look at Sudan where Omar Hassan al-Bashir has killed an estimated 2,000,000 which is 10 times more than Saddam is accused of having killed.

This is where "The Angry Black Man" comes out because these things are all there for anyone to see yet no one ever takes notice. This brings me a line from a movie, "...they either don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on..."
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So, what's your question?
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For those that literally can't read between the lines, I'll highlight all of the questions.

On one hand, George W. Bush has said, We are safer than we've ever been since before 9/11. On the other hand, he insists that another terrorist attack is right around the corner. Which one is it? You can't really have it both ways. Why is it that so many things are obvious to the American public but they don't seem to care?

This goes the same with double standards. On a news show about a month ago, I saw a man in New Mexico burning the Mexican flag in protest of the immigration bill. If it would have been an American flag being burned, the "Patriots" would be ready to invade. Right? About the immigration bill, something has been brought to my attention, why is it that only Mexicans are being targeted by the media? The last time I checked there were more than just Mexicans in the United States. For example Canadians, but here's the thing what does a Canadian look like?

One more topic, I'm not happy about what happened in Oklahoma City nor what happened on 9/11, but earlier this year someone read out every name of those who died in Oklahoma City and as far as 9/11 we have Flight 93 and several other reminders. Neither one of these tragedies encompassed more than 2 square miles yet they get sifgnificantly more coverage than New Orleans. There was national coverage due to the mayoral race but now that Nagin has been re-elected the coverage will cease.

In regards to the aforementioned 9/11 we now have a film called United 93. I'm sorry, but who survived on this plane again? No one? So who really knows what happened? No one? That's what I thought. These people are views as Patriots and heroes, why? Did they really sacrifice themselves I mean they WERE going to die anyway? I want to see a film that paints those in New Orleans in a positive light. I don't foresee that happening anytime soon though.

In regards to those "9/11 We Will Never Forget" bumper stickers, wouldn't a "8/29 We've already forgotten" bumper sticker be appropriate?

Supposedly one of the reasons for overthrowing Saddam was because he used chemical weapons on his own people and they wanted a democracy in Iraq. Well to this I say, at the time Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran wasn't he an ally of the United States? Who said Iraq wanted democracy? This sounds like a case of what was once known as "The White Man's Burden." Also based on merriam webster's definition insurgent is defined as a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government. Wouldn't that be the unfortunate U.S. troops that invaded a sovereign nation and not those people that live in that nation? If everyone is concerned with what happened with to those individuals in Iraq and how Saddam has killed so many people, why not look at Sudan where Omar Hassan al-Bashir has killed an estimated 2,000,000 which is 10 times more than Saddam is accused of having killed?

This is where "The Angry Black Man" comes out because these things are all there for anyone to see yet no one ever takes notice. This brings me a line from a movie, "...they either don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on..."

Is this good enough Lon? Be sure to avoid those trick rhetorical questions.
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Reading it a second time helped. The first time through I didn't quite dare click Reply, most comments would be trivial up against that sort of post.

I followed Katrina in the news as it passed over Florida and sped up once it reached the Gulf. The coverage in the US might have seemed supportive of the administration to you, but foreign correspondents on the BBC were quite scathing as events unfolded. Have you considered looking back - did you keep any diary notes of what happened to you? I think it would make very interesting reading here if you went through it bit by bit with us.

I'm delighted by the result of the mayoral election - it gives a message that needs saying, that there's no local scapegoat going to be accepted by the people who matter. How long's it going to take for the city population number to get anywhere near its pre-Katrina level? Is any effort being made to encourage long-term residents back?
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Thank you for your posts.
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flopstock wrote: Simple one... NO was an act of nature, the other two acts of man.That, were it so, would indeed make a huge difference. The trigger at NO may have been an act of nature, but the events preceding, during and subsequent have been entirely those of politicians.
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I completely acknowledge that one was an act of nature and the other acts of man, but does that make those things that we couldn't control any less tragic or important? In all three people lost their lives. In all three a certain amount of knowledge could have lead to a drop in damage and casualties. Out of all three, the one with the most widespread devestation path is the one that gets the least amount of coverage. I mean on any given day, there is more coverage about Natalee Holloway than the follow up of Hurricane Katrina. The death of 1 against the deaths of thousands. I'm not trying to trivialize anything or anybody, I'm just one that seeks recognition for an event that was just as tragic and affected just as many people (not those killed we know more died in Louisiana and Mississippi than anywhere eles) if not more than the other tragedies.
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Lennox wrote: On one hand, George W. Bush has said, We are safer than we've ever been since before 9/11. On the other hand, he insists that another terrorist attack is right around the corner. Which one is it? You can't really have it both ways. Why is it that so many things are obvious to the American public but they don't seem to care.


Like Floppy said, we are more safe now because we are alert to our surroundings and our saftey. If something suspicious is spotted, folks are gonna report it.

[Quote}This goes the same with double standards. On a news show about a month ago, I saw a man in New Mexico burning the Mexican flag in protest of the immigration bill. If it would have been an American flag being burned, the Patriots would be ready to invade. Right? About the immigration bill, something has been brought to my attention, why is it that only Mexicans are being targeted by the media? The last time I checked there were more than just Mexicans in the United States. For example Canadians, but here's the thing what does a Canadian look like?


Canada actually has a decent economy, jobs available, free health coverage. Mexico is a poor country, the folks are crossing illegaly to make money. That there could be the reason why Hispanics are the main news in the immigration bill.

One more topic, I'm not happy about what happened in Oklahoma City nor what happened on 9/11, but earlier this year someone read out every name of those who died in Oklahoma City and as far as 9/11 we have Flight 93 and several other reminders. Neither one of these tragedies encompassed more than 2 square miles yet they get sifgnificantly more coverage than New Orleans. There was national coverage due to the mayoral race but now that Nagin has been re-elected the coverage will cease.


Everytime I turned on the news when Katrina happened and the time after, it was all bout New Orleans. What about the folks in Mississipi and other parts of Louisanna that were affected by Katrina? News coverage on these areas was scarce compared to New Orleans

In regards to the aforementioned 9/11 we now have a film called United 93. I'm sorry, but who survived on this plane again? No one? So who really knows what happened? No one? That's what I thought. These people are views as Patriots and heroes, why? Did they really sacrifice themselves I mean they WERE going to die anyway? I want to see a film that paints those in New Orleans in a positive light. I don't foresee that happening anytime soon though.


Let's see, how many folks on Flight 93 called their loved ones using cell phones and the phones on the airplane, several. I'm sure the movies do potray a pretty accurate picture. And besides those folks are heros, they kept a plane from hitting another building and killing more innocent folks on the ground.

There probaly will be a movie on New Orleans, I'm sure it will be on the days afterward. It probaly won't be pretty, but mankind when trapped in a collesium without food and clean water can't always be pretty creatures can they?

Supposedly one of the reasons for overthrowing Saddam was because he used chemical weapons on his own people and they wanted a democracy in Iraq. Well to this I say, at the time Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran wasn't he an ally of the United States? Who said Iraq wanted democracy? This sounds like a case of what was once known as "The White Man's Burden." Also based on merriam webster's definition insurgent is defined as a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government. Wouldn't that be the unfortunate U.S. troops that invaded a sovereign nation and not those people that live in that nation? If everyone is concerned with what happened with to those individuals in Iraq and how Saddam has killed so many people, why not look at Sudan where Omar Hassan al-Bashir has killed an estimated 2,000,000 which is 10 times more than Saddam is accused of having killed.


Do you not think Saddam was a sadistic person. He killed family if he thought they were against him. And yes he did use chemical weopons against his own country men, the Kurds.

This is where "The Angry Black Man" comes out because these things are all there for anyone to see yet no one ever takes notice. This brings me a line from a movie, "...they either don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on..."


I usually don't reply this way, but I did want to answer your questions.
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On one hand, George W. Bush has said, We are safer than we've ever been since before 9/11. On the other hand, he insists that another terrorist attack is right around the corner. Which one is it? You can't really have it both ways. Why is it that so many things are obvious to the American public but they don't seem to care.

Personally, I don't think we are any safer, but it seems to make the politicians happy to give us lip service.

This goes the same with double standards. On a news show about a month ago, I saw a man in New Mexico burning the Mexican flag in protest of the immigration bill. If it would have been an American flag being burned, the "Patriots" would be ready to invade. Right? About the immigration bill, something has been brought to my attention, why is it that only Mexicans are being targeted by the media? The last time I checked there were more than just Mexicans in the United States. For example Canadians, but here's the thing what does a Canadian look like?

Yes, Mexicans are easier to visibly identify. I dare say that the sheer number of Mexicans crossing the border is much higher then the Canadians. Or any other group for that matter.

One more topic, I'm not happy about what happened in Oklahoma City nor what happened on 9/11, but earlier this year someone read out every name of those who died in Oklahoma City and as far as 9/11 we have Flight 93 and several other reminders. Neither one of these tragedies encompassed more than 2 square miles yet they get sifgnificantly more coverage than New Orleans. There was national coverage due to the mayoral race but now that Nagin has been re-elected the coverage will cease.

If memory serves, the names of those killed in Oklahoma City were read at a memorial service in OKLAHOMA CITY. Makes plenty of sense to me.

As for New Orleans, do we even have accurate numbers of the dead yet? It seems to me that there is still such a mess that there might still be bodies to be found. And yes, there should be some type of memorial or remembrance. I have never been to New Orleans, but I am disgusted by the lack of government help in getting that city rebuilt and the people who lived there back home. Just last week I saw a story on the news about a man who was living in a tent in his house while the trailer that FEMA gave him sat in his driveway locked up tight with no utilities hooked up. Trying to go through channels was getting him nowhere and it took a news person to get anything done.

In regards to the aforementioned 9/11 we now have a film called United 93. I'm sorry, but who survived on this plane again? No one? So who really knows what happened? No one? That's what I thought. These people are views as Patriots and heroes, why? Did they really sacrifice themselves I mean they WERE going to die anyway? I want to see a film that paints those in New Orleans in a positive light. I don't foresee that happening anytime soon though.

Yes, the people on flight 93 are heroes! By crashing the plane in a field they saved goodness knows how many innnocent lives. Yes, they were going to die anyway. But they didn't sit meekly by and let the hijackers do what they had planned.

Supposedly one of the reasons for overthrowing Saddam was because he used chemical weapons on his own people and they wanted a democracy in Iraq. Well to this I say, at the time Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran wasn't he an ally of the United States? Who said Iraq wanted democracy? This sounds like a case of what was once known as "The White Man's Burden." Also based on merriam webster's definition insurgent is defined as a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government. Wouldn't that be the unfortunate U.S. troops that invaded a sovereign nation and not those people that live in that nation? If everyone is concerned with what happened with to those individuals in Iraq and how Saddam has killed so many people, why not look at Sudan where Omar Hassan al-Bashir has killed an estimated 2,000,000 which is 10 times more than Saddam is accused of having killed.

I don't even pretend to know what goes through a politicians mind when they decide they need to take international matters into their own hands. I can think of a couple of countries that we could have helped more then Iraq but apparently, there is nothing in it for the "powers that be".

This is where "The Angry Black Man" comes out because these things are all there for anyone to see yet no one ever takes notice. This brings me a line from a movie, "...they either don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on..."

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On one hand, George W. Bush has said, We are safer than we've ever been since before 9/11. On the other hand, he insists that another terrorist attack is right around the corner. Which one is it? You can't really have it both ways. Why is it that so many things are obvious to the American public but they don't seem to care.





Many of the things that fall out of Mr. Bush's mouth are riddled with redundancy and confusing verbiage. In light of that his statement or Bushism makes perfect sense.



This goes the same with double standards. On a news show about a month ago, I saw a man in New Mexico burning the Mexican flag in protest of the immigration bill. If it would have been an American flag being burned, the "Patriots" would be ready to invade. Right? About the immigration bill, something has been brought to my attention, why is it that only Mexicans are being targeted by the media? The last time I checked there were more than just Mexicans in the United States. For example Canadians, but here's the thing what does a Canadian look like?



Well the differences seem obvious. Canada is a thriving self sufficient country. They are self contained with a healthy economy, good health care system and a democratic govt. What do we have that they cant get their hands on ?

The Mexicans on the other hand dont have the benefit of $. We have it, they want it.





One more topic, I'm not happy about what happened in Oklahoma City nor what happened on 9/11, but earlier this year someone read out every name of those who died in Oklahoma City and as far as 9/11 we have Flight 93 and several other reminders. Neither one of these tragedies encompassed more than 2 square miles yet they get sifgnificantly more coverage than New Orleans. There was national coverage due to the mayoral race but now that Nagin has been re-elected the coverage will cease.





Katrina was an act of God, we can expect these things to happen from time to time. Not to imply the devastation was insignificant, but to compare a natural disaster to the evil doings of diseased minds isnt apples and apples. The depravity and sickness of fellow human beings is much more difficult for me to comprehend than a hurricane.



In regards to the aforementioned 9/11 we now have a film called United 93. I'm sorry, but who survived on this plane again? No one? So who really knows what happened? No one? That's what I thought. These people are views as Patriots and heroes, why? Did they really sacrifice themselves I mean they WERE going to die anyway? I want to see a film that paints those in New Orleans in a positive light. I don't foresee that happening anytime soon though.



They recovered black box information on flight 93, I think that was the foundation of the scenario. I assume they had to piece together events but theres always poetic license in films. Its not a documentary, but I suppose they took the subject matter seriously in the making of the film.



Supposedly one of the reasons for overthrowing Saddam was because he used chemical weapons on his own people and they wanted a democracy in Iraq. Well to this I say, at the time Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran wasn't he an ally of the United States Yes, and this should bother everyone. Our policies can be quite convenient can't they ?

Who said Iraq wanted democracy? Good question !



This sounds like a case of what was once known as "The White Man's Burden." Also based on merriam webster's definition insurgent is defined as a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government. Wouldn't that be the unfortunate U.S. troops that invaded a sovereign nation and not those people that live in that nation? If everyone is concerned with what happened with to those individuals in Iraq and how Saddam has killed so many people, why not look at Sudan where Omar Hassan al-Bashir has killed an estimated 2,000,000 which is 10 times more than Saddam is accused of having killed.



This is where "The Angry Black Man" comes out because these things are all there for anyone to see yet no one ever takes notice. This brings me a line from a movie, "...they either don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on..."
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