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This December A new no smoking law will come into effect here in Nova Scotia. This is a complete and total ban in all public places. I am a non smoker myself so I will benefit from this law. Is there anybody here that has such a law in there area? If so, do they enforce it?
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Some communities here in California ban smoking in indoor AND outdoor areas! All workplaces, restaurants, bars and public buildings are now non-smoking! You're going to LOVE it!
(I was in Albania last year, where everyone smoked (I think they're born puffing!) and it was just awful! We're spoiled!)
(I was in Albania last year, where everyone smoked (I think they're born puffing!) and it was just awful! We're spoiled!)
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I can't Waite till I can go to a bar and enjoy a night out without coming home smelling like an ashtray.
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We get a so called ban, here in England, next year. I'm sceptical about the cause and effect- I reckon it will be much worse outside. I have no problems with smokers, so long as they don't exhale.
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You can't smoke in restaurants in Australia or most workplaces or public shopping malls etc. I don't smoke but have family and friends who do. They cope. And I love it. Grin.
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FISHER: "enjoy a night out without coming home smelling like an ashtray."
HEAR, HEAR! When we were in Ireland, I sometimes washed my hair twice a day, after spending time chatting with people in pubs...because I REEKED of smoke! I'm told you can't smoke in Irish pubs now...anyone know if that's true?
HEAR, HEAR! When we were in Ireland, I sometimes washed my hair twice a day, after spending time chatting with people in pubs...because I REEKED of smoke! I'm told you can't smoke in Irish pubs now...anyone know if that's true?
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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It is enforced here in NY also. None inside public places. There is even a new one locally....no smoking at all on hospital grounds..not even outside.
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Yes here in San Diego you pretty much can't smoke any where at all..

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MOTTO TO LIVE BY:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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Lulu2 wrote: FISHER: "enjoy a night out without coming home smelling like an ashtray."
HEAR, HEAR! When we were in Ireland, I sometimes washed my hair twice a day, after spending time chatting with people in pubs...because I REEKED of smoke! I'm told you can't smoke in Irish pubs now...anyone know if that's true?
It's true. A friend of mine goes there and the smokers break off the conversation, go out for their fix, and then come back in. Saddos.
HEAR, HEAR! When we were in Ireland, I sometimes washed my hair twice a day, after spending time chatting with people in pubs...because I REEKED of smoke! I'm told you can't smoke in Irish pubs now...anyone know if that's true?
It's true. A friend of mine goes there and the smokers break off the conversation, go out for their fix, and then come back in. Saddos.
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Crying shame.
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Accountable wrote: Crying shame.
What is a crying shame? You don't agree with a no smoking law?
What is a crying shame? You don't agree with a no smoking law?
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fisher wrote: What is a crying shame? You don't agree with a no smoking law?
I'm against it, yes. Let businesspeople restrict their own areas - have smoking & non-smoking rooms, whatever. The gov't need not involve themselves in our lives any more than absolutely necessary.
And that means damn near not at all.
I'm against it, yes. Let businesspeople restrict their own areas - have smoking & non-smoking rooms, whatever. The gov't need not involve themselves in our lives any more than absolutely necessary.
And that means damn near not at all.
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I'm a smoker. I don't mind smoking and non-smoking areas. Restraunts that have gone totally non-smoking, I tend to avoid. Our closest hospital doesn't even allow you to smoke in your own vehicle in their parking lot. I go to a different hospital that's not as close, but still close. I think it's wrong that the government is banning a legal substance. Put a man in the bar, who gets beer muscles to begin with, take away his cigarettes, and wait for the problems to really begin.
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Accountable wrote: I'm against it, yes. Let businesspeople restrict their own areas - have smoking & non-smoking rooms, whatever. The gov't need not involve themselves in our lives any more than absolutely necessary.
And that means damn near not at all.
Most business are thinking more about the all mighty dollar instead of peoples health
And that means damn near not at all.
Most business are thinking more about the all mighty dollar instead of peoples health
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I think if a parent is smoking in a car with there child present they should be charged with child abuse. They will strap them in the seat belt to keep them safe than light up a cigarette. This don't make sense. The child would be safer in the trunk.
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Peg wrote: I'm a smoker. I don't mind smoking and non-smoking areas. Restraunts that have gone totally non-smoking, I tend to avoid. Our closest hospital doesn't even allow you to smoke in your own vehicle in their parking lot. I go to a different hospital that's not as close, but still close. I think it's wrong that the government is banning a legal substance. Put a man in the bar, who gets beer muscles to begin with, take away his cigarettes, and wait for the problems to really begin.
Each person has the right to harm his/her body if they want to with a legal substance. But they do not have the right to harm the person standing next to them.
Each person has the right to harm his/her body if they want to with a legal substance. But they do not have the right to harm the person standing next to them.
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SnoozeControl wrote: What!?! I don't see how they could stop someone from smoking in their own car.
God, that p*sses me off reading that.
Snooze, the hospitals here are doing that too. No smoking ANYWHERE on hospital grounds...inside or outside of the buildings. Parking lots included.
God, that p*sses me off reading that.

Snooze, the hospitals here are doing that too. No smoking ANYWHERE on hospital grounds...inside or outside of the buildings. Parking lots included.
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fisher wrote: I think if a parent is smoking in a car with there child present they should be charged with child abuse. They will strap them in the seat belt to keep them safe than light up a cigarette. This don't make sense. The child would be safer in the trunk.
Fisher, I totally agree with you!! That is really crazy. Especially with so much out there about second hand smoke.
Fisher, I totally agree with you!! That is really crazy. Especially with so much out there about second hand smoke.

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fisher wrote: Most business are thinking more about the all mighty dollar instead of peoples healthRight. They do. So instead of non-smokers (those that care, that is) whining to the government to force the issue, they should be voting with their wallet. "Hey, Mr. Restauranteur, howzabout going non-smoking? Here's a list of signatures promising to give you their patronage."
That's how free enterprise works, or rather how it should work.
That's how free enterprise works, or rather how it should work.
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fisher wrote: Each person has the right to harm his/her body if they want to with a legal substance. But they do not have the right to harm the person standing next to them.You have the right to move upwind.
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fisher wrote: Most business are thinking more about the all mighty dollar instead of peoples health
If I owned a business, I'd be in it to make money. That's the idea of owning a business, isn't it?
If I owned a business, I'd be in it to make money. That's the idea of owning a business, isn't it?
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There are businesses which penalize employees who smoke. Statistically, their health insurance costs (to the business owner) are higher, they have more illness-related absences and so, are a greater COST than non-smokers.
If cash return is the "dotted line," you don't want smokers working for you.
Edited to add that (ironically) THIS former smoker is now violently allergic to smoke. (I probably deserve it.) So...my "right to move upwind" isn't quite so simple if I'm in a place where people are puffing away.
If cash return is the "dotted line," you don't want smokers working for you.
Edited to add that (ironically) THIS former smoker is now violently allergic to smoke. (I probably deserve it.) So...my "right to move upwind" isn't quite so simple if I'm in a place where people are puffing away.
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Lulu2 wrote: There are businesses which penalize employees who smoke. Statistically, their health insurance costs (to the business owner) are higher, they have more illness-related absences and so, are a greater COST than non-smokers.
If cash return is the "dotted line," you don't want smokers working for you.
Edited to add that (ironically) THIS former smoker is now violently allergic to smoke. (I probably deserve it.) So...my "right to move upwind" isn't quite so simple if I'm in a place where people are puffing away.Of course it is. If a private business has the smell of smoke about it, don't go in. There's no law that you must go in.
Why do people want gov't to force businesses to make them comfortable at the expense of others? Don't you realize you can do it yourself, or better yet, go somewhere that will make you comfortable?
If cash return is the "dotted line," you don't want smokers working for you.
Edited to add that (ironically) THIS former smoker is now violently allergic to smoke. (I probably deserve it.) So...my "right to move upwind" isn't quite so simple if I'm in a place where people are puffing away.Of course it is. If a private business has the smell of smoke about it, don't go in. There's no law that you must go in.
Why do people want gov't to force businesses to make them comfortable at the expense of others? Don't you realize you can do it yourself, or better yet, go somewhere that will make you comfortable?
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We complain that Goverments interfere too much in our lives, and then we want them to pass legislation to ban stuff. What happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
I would have thought that everyone is fairly well educated these days about drugs, alcohol, smoking, unprotected sex etc. to make up their own minds.
Cigarette smoke is vile (this coming from a smoker) ....I would never impose it on a non-smoker even in my own home.
Having said this...I am DESPERATE to give up...I've tried everything in the book so any help would be gratefully recieved.
I would have thought that everyone is fairly well educated these days about drugs, alcohol, smoking, unprotected sex etc. to make up their own minds.
Cigarette smoke is vile (this coming from a smoker) ....I would never impose it on a non-smoker even in my own home.
Having said this...I am DESPERATE to give up...I've tried everything in the book so any help would be gratefully recieved.
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Bez wrote: We complain that Goverments interfere too much in our lives, and then we want them to pass legislation to ban stuff. What happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
I would have thought that everyone is fairly well educated these days about drugs, alcohol, smoking, unprotected sex etc. to make up their own minds.
Cigarette smoke is vile (this coming from a smoker) ....I would never impose it on a non-smoker even in my own home.
Having said this...I am DESPERATE to give up...I've tried everything in the book so any help would be gratefully recieved.
I agree with Acc's and Bez's views on personal responsibility. I'm a smoker and I accept that any consequences on my health and well being are my choice and self imposed. But like Bez, I'm a responsible smoker and I wouldn't dream of imposing my habit on anyone who doesn't smoke. I couldn't enjoy a cigarette if I thought a non smoker wasn't.
But I've found that there there are a few non smokers who actively seek out smoking areas so that they can wave their arms around in horror and complain loudly about the evils of smoking. I've seen it happen when an area is clearly marked "smoking." I find it difficult to understand their attitude, particularly when compared to some of my non smoking friends whose attitude is one of total acceptance and non judgment of my habit.
However, I have to give up smoking over the next month or two before beginning some extensive dental work. Bez, would you consider joining me? I'm scared, although I now have the incentive and I am determined to kick the habit. To actually post my intent publicly here is my first step
I would have thought that everyone is fairly well educated these days about drugs, alcohol, smoking, unprotected sex etc. to make up their own minds.
Cigarette smoke is vile (this coming from a smoker) ....I would never impose it on a non-smoker even in my own home.
Having said this...I am DESPERATE to give up...I've tried everything in the book so any help would be gratefully recieved.
I agree with Acc's and Bez's views on personal responsibility. I'm a smoker and I accept that any consequences on my health and well being are my choice and self imposed. But like Bez, I'm a responsible smoker and I wouldn't dream of imposing my habit on anyone who doesn't smoke. I couldn't enjoy a cigarette if I thought a non smoker wasn't.
But I've found that there there are a few non smokers who actively seek out smoking areas so that they can wave their arms around in horror and complain loudly about the evils of smoking. I've seen it happen when an area is clearly marked "smoking." I find it difficult to understand their attitude, particularly when compared to some of my non smoking friends whose attitude is one of total acceptance and non judgment of my habit.
However, I have to give up smoking over the next month or two before beginning some extensive dental work. Bez, would you consider joining me? I'm scared, although I now have the incentive and I am determined to kick the habit. To actually post my intent publicly here is my first step

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theia wrote: I agree with Acc's and Bez's views on personal responsibility. I'm a smoker and I accept that any consequences on my health and well being are my choice and self imposed. But like Bez, I'm a responsible smoker and I wouldn't dream of imposing my habit on anyone who doesn't smoke. I couldn't enjoy a cigarette if I thought a non smoker wasn't.
But I've found that there there are a few non smokers who actively seek out smoking areas so that they can wave their arms around in horror and complain loudly about the evils of smoking. I've seen it happen when an area is clearly marked "smoking." I find it difficult to understand their attitude, particularly when compared to some of my non smoking friends whose attitude is one of total acceptance and non judgment of my habit.
However, I have to give up smoking over the next month or two before beginning some extensive dental work. Bez, would you consider joining me? I'm scared, although I now have the incentive and I am determined to kick the habit. To actually post my intent publicly here is my first step
Yes Theia....I'll do battle with you....:-3
But I've found that there there are a few non smokers who actively seek out smoking areas so that they can wave their arms around in horror and complain loudly about the evils of smoking. I've seen it happen when an area is clearly marked "smoking." I find it difficult to understand their attitude, particularly when compared to some of my non smoking friends whose attitude is one of total acceptance and non judgment of my habit.
However, I have to give up smoking over the next month or two before beginning some extensive dental work. Bez, would you consider joining me? I'm scared, although I now have the incentive and I am determined to kick the habit. To actually post my intent publicly here is my first step

Yes Theia....I'll do battle with you....:-3
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Accountable wrote: Is this Deja Vu??
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8667
Yep....there must have been at least 6 or more 'smoking' threads in the last year.
Big issue with Smokers who want to quit, Smokers who don't, people that have never smoked and ex-smokers...i guess we'll debating, advising and admonishing on this subject for many years to come.
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8667
Yep....there must have been at least 6 or more 'smoking' threads in the last year.
Big issue with Smokers who want to quit, Smokers who don't, people that have never smoked and ex-smokers...i guess we'll debating, advising and admonishing on this subject for many years to come.
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Bez wrote: Yes Theia....I'll do battle with you....:-3
Oh Bez, thank you, that's a deal :-6
I'm not ever going to buy another packet of cigarettes but that's only because I've got a cupboard full of duty frees that my kids brought me back from Spain/America. I'll finish them, hopefully cutting back as I do and then...yes, let's do battle...it should be about the time my dental treatment begins (how brave I sound before the event!)
And if, Bez, when we've kicked the habit, you ever hear me being unjustly critical of or holier than thou about smoking, just a swift kick up my backside please, and a reminder of who I used to be...and I mean that!
Oh Bez, thank you, that's a deal :-6
I'm not ever going to buy another packet of cigarettes but that's only because I've got a cupboard full of duty frees that my kids brought me back from Spain/America. I'll finish them, hopefully cutting back as I do and then...yes, let's do battle...it should be about the time my dental treatment begins (how brave I sound before the event!)
And if, Bez, when we've kicked the habit, you ever hear me being unjustly critical of or holier than thou about smoking, just a swift kick up my backside please, and a reminder of who I used to be...and I mean that!
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I gave up smoking when I was twelve. I'm all in favour of the ban. I'm fed up with smokers complaining about their rights being infringed. No one is forcing them to give up smoking all this is happening is that they can no longer force everyone else to share their habit. Selfish gits, bet they would be the first to complain if joggers insisted everybody else join in with them or vegetarians shoved carrots up their nose.
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gmc wrote: I gave up smoking when I was twelve. I'm all in favour of the ban. I'm fed up with smokers complaining about their rights being infringed. No one is forcing them to give up smoking all this is happening is that they can no longer force everyone else to share their habit. Selfish gits, bet they would be the first to complain if joggers insisted everybody else join in with them or vegetarians shoved carrots up their nose.
I was vastly amused by the smokers on the daily commute after they'd banned smoking on the train - threatening to go to the European Court of Human Rights to win back their "right" to smoke in the carriage.
I was vastly amused by the smokers on the daily commute after they'd banned smoking on the train - threatening to go to the European Court of Human Rights to win back their "right" to smoke in the carriage.
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Bryn Mawr wrote: I was vastly amused by the smokers on the daily commute after they'd banned smoking on the train - threatening to go to the European Court of Human Rights to win back their "right" to smoke in the carriage.
People will sue about almost anything. The non smokers could counter-sue to protect thier right to not have to inhale.
People will sue about almost anything. The non smokers could counter-sue to protect thier right to not have to inhale.
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I Lived at home for a long time before I moved out, both my parents smoked heavily, and I have to say that smoking didn't bother me.
However, when I left home, I began to notice the smell of smoke more and more, until now the smell makes me feel a little ill.
I think that urging people to smoke more responsibly is the way to go, rather than ban it from everywhere. I can understand all the uproar about passive smoking, but when is all of this knee jerk legislation going to end? Lets ban smoking everywhere!! Ok then, lets do that because it's bad for those who don't smoke. What about carbon monoxide? Shall we ban cars / lorries / industry? they all pollute the air.
I think that education is the way to go, lets let people make up their own minds.
However, when I left home, I began to notice the smell of smoke more and more, until now the smell makes me feel a little ill.
I think that urging people to smoke more responsibly is the way to go, rather than ban it from everywhere. I can understand all the uproar about passive smoking, but when is all of this knee jerk legislation going to end? Lets ban smoking everywhere!! Ok then, lets do that because it's bad for those who don't smoke. What about carbon monoxide? Shall we ban cars / lorries / industry? they all pollute the air.
I think that education is the way to go, lets let people make up their own minds.

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woppy71 wrote: I Lived at home for a long time before I moved out, both my parents smoked heavily, and I have to say that smoking didn't bother me.
However, when I left home, I began to notice the smell of smoke more and more, until now the smell makes me feel a little ill.
I think that urging people to smoke more responsibly is the way to go, rather than ban it from everywhere. I can understand all the uproar about passive smoking, but when is all of this knee jerk legislation going to end? Lets ban smoking everywhere!! Ok then, lets do that because it's bad for those who don't smoke. What about carbon monoxide? Shall we ban cars / lorries / industry? they all pollute the air.
I think that education is the way to go, lets let people make up their own minds.
If the government didn't get so much revenue from the sale of cigarettes then they would have been banned as an addictive drug and a dangerous carcenogen.
The hysterical outpourings over canabis where even research into possible medicinal uses was banned for years does not sit well with the open reluctance to restrict the use of tobacco.
However, when I left home, I began to notice the smell of smoke more and more, until now the smell makes me feel a little ill.
I think that urging people to smoke more responsibly is the way to go, rather than ban it from everywhere. I can understand all the uproar about passive smoking, but when is all of this knee jerk legislation going to end? Lets ban smoking everywhere!! Ok then, lets do that because it's bad for those who don't smoke. What about carbon monoxide? Shall we ban cars / lorries / industry? they all pollute the air.
I think that education is the way to go, lets let people make up their own minds.

If the government didn't get so much revenue from the sale of cigarettes then they would have been banned as an addictive drug and a dangerous carcenogen.
The hysterical outpourings over canabis where even research into possible medicinal uses was banned for years does not sit well with the open reluctance to restrict the use of tobacco.
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gmc wrote: I gave up smoking when I was twelve. I'm all in favour of the ban. I'm fed up with smokers complaining about their rights being infringed. No one is forcing them to give up smoking all this is happening is that they can no longer force everyone else to share their habit. Selfish gits, bet they would be the first to complain if joggers insisted everybody else join in with them or vegetarians shoved carrots up their nose.
Yup. The use of cars should be outlawed, too - there's no need for them in
this day and age. Domestic gas or solid fuel fires, too. Lots of other things,
I'm sure.
Yup. The use of cars should be outlawed, too - there's no need for them in
this day and age. Domestic gas or solid fuel fires, too. Lots of other things,
I'm sure.
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I dont care what anyone says. Let them ban smoking from everywhere. Non-smokers will still die. They will still get drunk, beat their wives, abuse their kids, start wars, and they will still get lung cancer. They just wont be able to blame it on second hand smoke anymore. Wonder what they will blame next? Red m&m's?
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Raven wrote: I dont care what anyone says. Let them ban smoking from everywhere. Non-smokers will still die. They will still get drunk, beat their wives, abuse their kids, start wars, and they will still get lung cancer. They just wont be able to blame it on second hand smoke anymore. Wonder what they will blame next? Red m&m's?
That's a very good question, Raven. Witches, maybe?
That's a very good question, Raven. Witches, maybe?
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woppy71 wrote: I Lived at home for a long time before I moved out, both my parents smoked heavily, and I have to say that smoking didn't bother me.
However, when I left home, I began to notice the smell of smoke more and more, until now the smell makes me feel a little ill.
I think that urging people to smoke more responsibly is the way to go, rather than ban it from everywhere. I can understand all the uproar about passive smoking, but when is all of this knee jerk legislation going to end? Lets ban smoking everywhere!! Ok then, lets do that because it's bad for those who don't smoke. What about carbon monoxide? Shall we ban cars / lorries / industry? they all pollute the air.
I think that education is the way to go, lets let people make up their own minds.
A very balanced view woppy....educate and inform, then let people take the responsibility.
However, when I left home, I began to notice the smell of smoke more and more, until now the smell makes me feel a little ill.
I think that urging people to smoke more responsibly is the way to go, rather than ban it from everywhere. I can understand all the uproar about passive smoking, but when is all of this knee jerk legislation going to end? Lets ban smoking everywhere!! Ok then, lets do that because it's bad for those who don't smoke. What about carbon monoxide? Shall we ban cars / lorries / industry? they all pollute the air.
I think that education is the way to go, lets let people make up their own minds.

A very balanced view woppy....educate and inform, then let people take the responsibility.
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Raven wrote: I dont care what anyone says. Let them ban smoking from everywhere. Non-smokers will still die. They will still get drunk, beat their wives, abuse their kids, start wars, and they will still get lung cancer. They just wont be able to blame it on second hand smoke anymore. Wonder what they will blame next? Red m&m's?
Hi Raven...you OK ?
What's with the RED M&Ms....what don't I know ?? Must I put them aside like BLUE SMARTIES ???? :-1
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Hi Raven...you OK ?
What's with the RED M&Ms....what don't I know ?? Must I put them aside like BLUE SMARTIES ???? :-1
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Pinky wrote: Personally, it's all starting to get a bit daft. I expect to not be able to a have a ciggie when going out for dinner, etc, and I can understand why pubs are going to become non-smoking. When I gave up, I didn't like being in a smoky atmosphere either, and still don't most of the time even though I'm a smoker. I go outside at home, too.
However, if someone tries to tell me that I can't go outside to have one, either standing in the carpark on my own car, I shall pull no punches in telling them to get stuffed!
Especially people who insist on standing near you and then complaining about smokers - well move then idiot! I haven't nailed your feet to the floor have I?:rolleyes:On the military bases the bowling alleys have glass-walled smoking booths. It looks for all the world like we've captured wild smokers and put them on display. :wah:
However, if someone tries to tell me that I can't go outside to have one, either standing in the carpark on my own car, I shall pull no punches in telling them to get stuffed!
Especially people who insist on standing near you and then complaining about smokers - well move then idiot! I haven't nailed your feet to the floor have I?:rolleyes:On the military bases the bowling alleys have glass-walled smoking booths. It looks for all the world like we've captured wild smokers and put them on display. :wah: