pit bulls kill baby

[lady cop]

i know we have discussed different breeds here before, i don't wish to malign any breed, but this story is very disturbing. poor baby was ripped to pieces. ...............KSDK NewsChannel 5 - Father's Pit Bulls Kill 22-Month-Old Boy .... should the father be charged with homicide by neglect?

[sunny104]

where would they draw the line though?

they would have to make it illegal to have any kind of animal in the house where a child lives?!

[valerie]

That is so sad.



I'm wondering if the dogs were spayed and/or neutered and what kind

of socialization they had. Sounds like they were left outside most of

the time. No dog and child should be left unattended, even for a minute.

Let alone four of them, pack mentality came to the fore, I'm sure.

[Imladris]

Without the full facts it's hard to say if charges should be brought but my gut feeling is that if anyone is stupid enough to have one dangerous dog let alone four in the house with a young child then they don't deserve much sympathy.



My heart goes out to the child, what an horrific way to die.



I'll be honest and say I'm not a dog lover, we couldn't have pets when I was child because of allergy problems so I've never had a real relationship with a dog.



We have had several cases here recently of maulings some involving fatalities and almost all involving children. Although we have the dangerous dogs act it doesn't prevent all the idiots around from having macho dogs to improve their sad images.



I've also been involved with an incident when dogs were turned on police, several were bitten, but once their owner was removed they were fine, I was even stroking one of them.



Before anyone assumes that I hate dogs I must say that I don't - I hate the idiots who can't control them.

[Bill Sikes]

lady cop;453357 wrote: should the father be charged with homicide by neglect?


Don't know. Need detail/evidence, and I'm not au fait with 'States law, anyway.

[cherandbuster]

LC

As a member of law enforcement

I'm curious what your opinion is . . . :-6

[lady cop]

cherandbuster;453374 wrote: LC



As a member of law enforcement



I'm curious what your opinion is . . . :-6i feel the father will be tortured by remorse and guilt the rest of his life, and no purpose can be served by putting him in prison.....that said, i also find it criminally negligent to leave a baby alone with 4 dogs. as Val said, "pack mentality". perhaps some negligence charges, but not homicide. what's interesting as an aside, when the police arrived the dogs greeted them with tails wagging and very friendly.

[RedGlitter]

The kid was almost 2 years old. There must be a reason so many of these incidents we hear of involve children around this age.

It has been said that the noises babies and small children make can sound to a dog like the sounds made by prey animals. That their prey drive can sometimes be triggered by this. How many times must people be told that you NEVER leave dogs alone with small kids?! Have they no common sense??

This will end up being another black eye on the faces of all pits. It could have happened with any dog but I suspect more so with dogs who have a high prey drive or fighting lineage. I wouldn't even leave my cocker alone with a small child! Also we must consider that this happened in new surroundings, what role did that play for the dogs? Pack mentality was also mentioned. I think that's definitely a factor here. How well were these dogs trained anyway? Were they fixed? Were there any females in heat? Dogs will fight over lots of stupid stuff if there is a ripe female around. The story doesn't give enough detail about this. I am not going to blame the dogs. They'll probably end up being killed for this unnecessarily just for revenge rather than given up for adoption. That their tails were wagging says something. They don't know they did wrong. I see why they want to imprison the father but I agree with what LadyCop offered: the guy's already been punished and will never forgive his own stupidity. What better prison that that?

[lady cop]

the dogs were beheaded and will be tested for rabies. having tasted blood they could not be safe pets. they actually consumed parts of the child.

[RedGlitter]

I've never really bought into that about tasting blood=bloodthirsty pet, myself. I've never seen it proven. I know a lot of people do, just not me.



I would have preferred seeing them quarantined for possible rabies for 10 days and then shipped to a facility that would adopt them out to adult homes only.

I know many will disagree with my view, I'm just putting this out there.

[lady cop]

i don't know the validity of the 'tasting blood' theory, but i do know this...i would not feel comfortable adopting a dog i knew had killed a child. what this guy did was felony stupid...like leaving the child in a room with a loaded gun. it only takes a minute. i am sure he is suffering, but he bears some responsibility in my opinion.

[guppy]

this is soo sad. i just can't imagine the remorse the father must be going through. i would not have a chow, pitbull, or a rotweiller around my kids. they are too temperamental. imho.



This story is just plain terrible. poor baby. poor family.

[LilacDragon]

lady cop;453442 wrote: the dogs were beheaded and will be tested for rabies. having tasted blood they could not be safe pets. they actually consumed parts of the child.


Yes, they need to be tested for rabies but that brings up an interesting point - had these dogs NOT been to a vet for the required vaccinations? If I am not mistaken, every State in the U.S. requires that dogs must be vaccinated for rabies and proof of current vaccine means that the dogs are quaranteened instead of beheaded.

I am willing to bet that these dogs were not properly vetted, trained or socialized and more then likely not used to being in a house. Add that to the pack mentality and you have a recipe for disaster.

As for the rest of this statement - absolutely false. My rottweiler ate a raw diet including whole beef hearts and was in no way aggressive to anyone. Somewhere I have a picture of her with her head in a food dish with chicken backs while a 10 week old kitten balanced on the back of the bowl. The taste of blood has absolutely nothing at all to do with whether or not these dogs could have been safely rehabilitated or rehomed.

[cars]

What a tragic event!!!



I looked & found several articles on line that I read about "killer" dogs.

And in most every article, it stated that the breed of killer dogs was immaterial, but in fact that the "owner"(s) of the killer dog(s) is/was the real problem! The owner's improper training & or treatment of those dogs was the major cause of creating aggressive-killer dogs, accross "all breeds".

That being said, I really want to believe that is really the case. However, I can't help but to wonder why so many of the killer dogs that show up in the news that attack people, (many of them children) seem to involve Bull/Rots. :-3

[LilacDragon]

cars;453711 wrote: What a tragic event!!!



I looked & found several articles on line that I read about "killer" dogs.

And in most every article, it stated that the breed of killer dogs was immaterial, but in fact that the "owner"(s) of the killer dog(s) is/was the real problem! The owner's improper training & or treatment of those dogs was the major cause of creating aggressive-killer dogs, accross "all breeds".

That being said, I really want to believe that is really the case. However, I can't help but to wonder why so many of the killer dogs that show up in the news that attack people, (many of them children) seem to involve Bull/Rots. :-3


Because it sells papers.

Last summer a young child in the city that I live in wandered into the family's backyard and was killed by a pair of malamutes. There was a 30 second blurb on the late night news and a paragraph at the end of section A in the local paper.

The girl in France with the face transplant? Her original face was damaged beyond repair by her own Black Labrador! I had to look long and hard to find the article that contained that little tidbit of information. I am willing to bet that if the offending dog had been a pit bull or a rottweiler then she would be known as "the girl who needed a face transplant because of a pit bull/rottweiler attack".

BTW - the father of the child should absolutely be charged with manslaughter at the very least. You would expect that if a neighbor's dog had killed the child - wouldn't you?

[cars]

tmbsgrl;453714 wrote: Lots of people use Pits for fighting dogs. & Rottis are used as guard dogs.. They are trained to attack and be mean. My neighbor next door has 3 pits & they are the friendly! My daughter plays with them all the time.. They run in between our yards loose- They don't have a mean bone in them. :-4


Sounds like you seem to trust those dogs implicitly, & are not worried by the "pack" mentality theory as some have mentioned. Best wishes for those "3" pits to stay friendly forever!

[guppy]

yea, tombs-i pray for your sake, those three pit bulls always stay nice and friendly.....

[weeder]

We have in the past had threads discussing the potentially agressive behavior of pit bulls. Many of the animal lovers have blamed their behavior on various reasons. Mis training of the owners etc.... But dont we think there have been enough incidents of deaths over the years to warrant the end of breeding this species of dog?

[RedGlitter]

No Weeder. "We" don't.

I always question why so many small kids are attacked and I am not ready to believe that some of those attacks are not provoked.

I am smart enough in dog behavior to recognize fact from salation in the media.

Statistically speaking, cocker spaniels are at the top of the list for biting and unpredictable temperament, yet when's the last time you heard about that happening?



I would be happy if pits were regulated like handguns and you had to have a license to own one, therfore it might knock some common sense into these fools who have no respect or knowledge of their needs and training.

I think it's time we stopped "breeding" salacious news stories and listening to idiots like Bill O'Reilly and people in general who don't know what they're actually talking about.



You mention "animal lovers" make excuses for the breed's behavior. I smell a fish here. I expect the next thing coming will be that we are all radical PETA members too. Are you not an animal lover?



Incidentally, has anyone here actually questioned how a person can "sleep through" having her face chewed off?? I for one, am not buying it. These things need to be questioned and thought about and we need to start deciding for ourselves rather than swallow everything the media feeds us.

[LilacDragon]

weeder;453753 wrote: We have in the past had threads discussing the potentially agressive behavior of pit bulls. Many of the animal lovers have blamed their behavior on various reasons. Mis training of the owners etc.... But dont we think there have been enough incidents of deaths over the years to warrant the end of breeding this species of dog?


Anyone with the power of cognitive thought can look at the statistics, and the stories behind the statistics and realize that the fact is that environment and training has a ton to do with the statistics. For every attacking pit bull that kills a child, there are 10 who have never and will never bite.

We have also discussed, at length, the statistics of prisoners in our jails based on skin color and social standing. I don't recall anyone saying that we should take such drastic actions.

BTW - it has been proven - IN COURT - that many experts can not postively, accurately and with any kind of consistancy, identify a pit bull. The statistics offered by the CDC are based on the VICTIMS idenitfication of the breed of dog that bit them. I have spent my adult life studying dogs and canine behaviour and I wouldn't dare to say that I could positively identify a "pit bull" 100% of the time.

[weber]

I love animals but I give a wide berth to anyone with a dog that I don't know. Dogs are not mans best friend.....they are best friend to their owner....beyond that, no dog is safe. A huskie bit a child unprovoked. Regardless of how dogs become vicious, no dog is really safe to be around. Some apalling statistics for dog bites follow............



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

[Accountable]

tmbsgrl;453742 wrote: No I don't trust them-- ALL dogs can turn- I have been bitten by a Border Collie- It was pretty bad. I watch my daughter around them & I am always ready to kick some dog ass but I don't just do that with Pit & other aggressive breeds- I watch her around our dogs and the smaller ankle biters too!
I can't say I blame you, but dogs can pick up on your anxiety, and that in itself can cause them to behave unpredictably. I recommend you steer clear of dogs when you can (which of course is dumb advice, since you probably already do)

[RedGlitter]

SnoozeControl;453769 wrote:

I'm not sure I appreciate the snide insinuation that I'm a brainless, unquestioning drone, but I'm not up for another slinging match quite so soon.


Snooze, stop looking for trouble where there is none, could you please? Or if you are having some kind of problem with me personally, I always answer my PMs. Thanks!



Here is something you all might find interesting and kind of fun:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html



I got it wrong the first two or three times. Try it! You may be as surprised as I was. I used to have a poster of this that I'd take to my pet adoptions and it was really telling how people were so mistaken about what a pit bull looks like. It makes me wonder how many other dogs are actually responsible for this stuff.

[LilacDragon]

weber;453772 wrote: I love animals but I give a wide berth to anyone with a dog that I don't know. Dogs are not mans best friend.....they are best friend to their owner....beyond that, no dog is safe. A huskie bit a child unprovoked. Regardless of how dogs become vicious, no dog is really safe to be around. Some apalling statistics for dog bites follow............



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html


Hmmm. Maybe you could find some statistics that come from someone other then a lawyer that makes his living representing victims.

As the human and canine population grow - there is no more a "dog bite epidemic" now then there was 40 years ago.

[RedGlitter]

weber;453772 wrote: I love animals but I give a wide berth to anyone with a dog that I don't know. Dogs are not mans best friend.....they are best friend to their owner....beyond that, no dog is safe. A huskie bit a child unprovoked. Regardless of how dogs become vicious, no dog is really safe to be around. Some apalling statistics for dog bites follow............





http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html


Hi Weber,

I think this is sound advice. And common sense. People are stupid sometimes! You would probably have shuddered to see how many parents, especially moms, would hold their INFANT nose to nose to the dog I'd be holding during adoptions. I would not yank my dog back as that could have given him a clue to bite but i would ask firmly that they step back and you know what they'd say? If they didn't just get pissed at me, they would say "Oh it's okay, he's around dogs all the time, I have a (rott/pitt/lab/etc) and my dog lets him crawl over him and pull his ears and teethe on him." This is the parent!!

[RedGlitter]

LilacDragon;453777 wrote:



As the human and canine population grow - there is no more a "dog bite epidemic" now then there was 40 years ago.


And Lilac Dragon, remember how 40 years go, the killer dogs of choice were the German Shepherd and Doberman Pinscher? When's the last time we heard about a Shepherd attacking anyone? Or a Doberman? 40 years from now I wonder what the scary dog will be.

[weber]

LilacDragon;453777 wrote: Hmmm. Maybe you could find some statistics that come from someone other then a lawyer that makes his living representing victims.

As the human and canine population grow - there is no more a "dog bite epidemic" now then there was 40 years ago.


Give it a break Lilac

Statistics are statistics.

and yes the dog bite epidemic is worse now. How many times more dogs are there? A lot....I see people walking two, three dogs, not just one. More dogs, more bites. And city life is not the same as ranch life where there can be an abundance of animals on acres of land. Don't hide from the pet problem that we are facing these days. Some people don't even walk their dogs because they don't want to pick up the poop.

[LilacDragon]

Statistics are only as good as their accuracy. There is nothing legally set up to track dogbites in the U.S. or any other country. I was bit by a dog and didn't report it - no statistics on that one (it was my dog and he had his foot stuck in a car door).

Sorry. I won't give it up. Until every city in the country understands that breed specific legislation does not end dog bites and that aggressive dogs (and their owners) should be identified by their behaviour not their coat length.

Maybe after you spend a couple of years doing the research that I have done, you will understand.

[weber]

LilacDragon;453791 wrote: Statistics are only as good as their accuracy. There is nothing legally set up to track dogbites in the U.S. or any other country. I was bit by a dog and didn't report it - no statistics on that one (it was my dog and he had his foot stuck in a car door).

Sorry. I won't give it up. Until every city in the country understands that breed specific legislation does not end dog bites and that aggressive dogs (and their owners) should be identified by their behaviour not their coat length.

Maybe after you spend a couple of years doing the research that I have done, you will understand.


Oh I would agree that breed specific legislation will not end dog bites. There are only two things that would stop dog bites.....no dogs or owners knowing how to raise their dogs properly.

I was also bitten and not reported and that site allotted for that, stated that fact. Education/research etc. does not necessarily make a person smarter than anyone else. I've listened to that one once too many times. Churchill had a grade 5 education. So pulling education on me doesn't work.

[RedGlitter]

weber;453795 wrote: Oh I would agree that breed specific legislation will not end dog bites. There are only two things that would stop dog bites.....no dogs or owners knowing how to raise their dogs properly.






Well, actually, maybe not even that. Having no dogs would be a sad/bad thing on many levels for many people. Not to get into that area but even owners who have put their dogs through obedience training and study up on the proper methods of dog control can't always prevent a bite. Dogs are not always predictable. They may bite out of fear, pain, illness, anger or provocation, prey drive, territorial issues, and probably other things as well and because most people do not "speak dog" the reason behind the bite often goes overlooked. It's for this reason I still say blame the owner. The dog is a dog and doesn't know our laws and rules. He just behaves as dogs will. Some dog behavior is unpleasant. If we ban pits, etc, then after they're all gone, we'll be hearing about other breeds attacking and biting people and we'll end up wiping those out too. That's just human behavior.

[LilacDragon]

While I certainly never claimed to be smarter then anyone, but this is one subject that I make sure I know as much as possible about. As a rottweiler enthusiast - to be ignorant of BSL, dog bite statistics and the causes of those statistics is to hang yourself and your dog out in the wind.

There were 920,804 registered by AKC in 2005. These would be just the puppies born in 2005. In 2004, 958, 641 were registered. That is 1,879,445 dogs born in 2 years! That doesn't include dogs registered to the APRI, CKC or the thousands of mutt puppies born each year. For the sake of arguement - let's say that those 3 sources combined produced the same number of puppies in the same two years as those registered to AKC. That puts us at 3,758,890! With an average of 17 deaths per year (according to your resource) I would hardly call that epidemic! You have a greater chance of getting hit by a drunk driver then you do of being seriously bitten by a dog.

[weber]

Well Red

I have often thought about it but have never said anything but now is a good time. Being as there is nothing so far that we have talked about that would eradicate dog bites, the one thing that keeps coming to my mind is that all dogs should wear muzzles.....even the little dogs that have bitten my ankles. Just a thought as I know it is not really workable. And cats should wear mittens:)

[weber]

LilacDragon;453807 wrote: While I certainly never claimed to be smarter then anyone, but this is one subject that I make sure I know as much as possible about. As a rottweiler enthusiast - to be ignorant of BSL, dog bite statistics and the causes of those statistics is to hang yourself and your dog out in the wind.

There were 920,804 registered by AKC in 2005. These would be just the puppies born in 2005. In 2004, 958, 641 were registered. That is 1,879,445 dogs born in 2 years! That doesn't include dogs registered to the APRI, CKC or the thousands of mutt puppies born each year. For the sake of arguement - let's say that those 3 sources combined produced the same number of puppies in the same two years as those registered to AKC. That puts us at 3,758,890! With an average of 17 deaths per year (according to your resource) I would hardly call that epidemic! You have a greater chance of getting hit by a drunk driver then you do of being seriously bitten by a dog.


Whatever

But when I start giving berth to people with dogs, even little ones......something I haven't had to do before fairly recent years......I know something has changed whether you believe it or not. And it isn't that I am more scared of dogs today - it is that dogs are more aggressive than they ever have been and there are tons more of them around.

To add, even kids are more aggressive today with fowl language, nearly running me over me with bikes, purposely being abusive in their ways. Seems that the aggression problems are not just with dogs.

[RedGlitter]

Web, the muzzle thing has actually been brought up but I can't recall if it was in FG or at the other place I hang out at. I know I wouldn't my muzzle my dog but if he could not be safely walked among people, I would walk him alone.



Are you serious about the mittens?! I'm sorry I really can't tell if you are joking or not, and it made me laugh. I didn't know cats were also a problem. At least you didn't suggest declawing them which is a place we probably shouldn't go.



Lilac Dragon, it's off topic a bit but those numbers sicken me. All the dogs that get killed every year in the pounds and all those new dogs being born.



If we're worried about peopel's safety, I'd like to see no more bars so drunks can't kill me as they're driving home. I'd like to have teenagers locked up because it's been proven by the media that they're all juvenile delinquents and I want to protect my mailbox at night.



The list could go on. We live in the world, a place with many dangers and possibilities just by its nature.

[weber]

RedGlitter;453815 wrote: Web, the muzzle thing has actually been brought up but I can't recall if it was in FG or at the other place I hang out at. I know I wouldn't my muzzle my dog but if he could not be safely walked among people, I would walk him alone.



Are you serious about the mittens?! I'm sorry I really can't tell if you are joking or not, and it made me laugh. I didn't know cats were also a problem. At least you didn't suggest declawing them which is a place we probably shouldn't go.



Lilac Dragon, it's off topic a bit but those numbers sicken me. All the dogs that get killed every year in the pounds and all those new dogs being born.



If we're worried about peopel's safety, I'd like to see no more bars so drunks can't kill me as they're driving home. I'd like to have teenagers locked up because it's been proven by the media that they're all juvenile delinquents and I want to protect my mailbox at night.



The list could go on. We live in the world, a place with many dangers and possibilities just by its nature.


I was just kidding about the mittens Red.

Sorry but I can't get the little icons to work. I'm having problems posting so I think I will leave for the night.

You get mad about the dogs that are killed.....do you also get mad at the children and adults, but mostly children, that have been killed? Please don't get me wrong because I am not being nasty but your thrust is on the dogs killed......I tend to concentrate on the human beings killed. So it also could be said that I don't concentrate on the dogs/animals killed. Six of one and half a dozen of the other I guess. I made a happy face. Don't know if it will show.

To add - I didn't underline those words. Something is not working right so I am off for the night.

[LilacDragon]

Yes, there are tons more around!

The problem is that we have developed into a society that lives on the mentality that it should be able to get what it wants, when it wants it and doesn't have to put forth any effort. I don't know how many times I have heard someone say "I love labradors because they are so friendly."

So, they rush out and get a cuddly little puppy and figure that they have done what they need to do. They take the pup out when they want to (as opposed to when it NEEDS to) so it is difficult to house break. They know nothing about puppies so when the pup is teething and everything goes into it's mouth (including fingers and toes) they say the pup is aggressive and they either lob it off to the nearest rescue or shelter and moan about what an awful dog it was. OR, they just "love it too much" to part with it and chain it to a tree in the back yard. There the dog remains - untrained, unsocialized and a bite waiting to happen.

Regardless of the breed - statistics show that the dog most apt to bite is the dog that is unvetted (shots, neutering, etc), untrained and CHAINED. Of ALL the breeds of dogs that have recorded fatalities those are the most common denominators.

Maybe, instead of muzzling dogs we should fight to get laws in place that actually PREVENT bites. Make it illegal to put a dog on a chain or tie out for more then an hour a day. Enforce the leash laws that are already on the books in most cities/towns. Make it easier to build a case against dog fighters Sentence animal abusers to longer mandatory jail sentences. Hold dog owners accountable for the damage that their dogs do. If a person owns a dog that kills someone then they should, most definately, be charged with MURDER.

Owning a dog is both a priveldge and a responsiblity - not a right. It should be treated as such.

[LilacDragon]

weber;453817 wrote: I was just kidding about the mittens Red.

Sorry but I can't get the little icons to work. I'm having problems posting so I think I will leave for the night.

You get mad about the dogs that are killed.....do you also get mad at the children and adults, but mostly children, that have been killed? Please don't get me wrong because I am not being nasty but your thrust is on the dogs killed......I tend to concentrate on the human beings killed. So it also could be said that I don't concentrate on the dogs/animals killed. Six of one and half a dozen of the other I guess. I made a happy face. Don't know if it will show.

To add - I didn't underline those words. Something is not working right so I am off for the night.


I know I am not Red - but I had to answer.

I am chilled to the bone by the children that are killed. Having said that - I am disgusted and appalled that in the U.S. alone more then a MILLION homeless dogs are destroyed every year.

[weber]

LilacDragon;453822 wrote: I know I am not Red - but I had to answer.

I am chilled to the bone by the children that are killed. Having said that - I am disgusted and appalled that in the U.S. alone more then a MILLION homeless dogs are destroyed every year.


Actually, that appals me too, destruction of animals. But it tells me that something is out of whack. Like why are there so many animals being produced that they have to be destroyed. It would seem wise to me to somehow cut back of how many pets are being brought into this world. I don't think the answer is in breaking backs to take care of too many animals/pets. I would think the answer would be to somehow cut back on how many they are bred purposely or not.

[LilacDragon]

It goes back to the "I want what I want. when I want it" mentality that I mentioned above.

If you are truly interested - do some research on commercial dog breeders and Class A dealers.

A couple of years ago, a very large maltese kennel was closed. I am too tired to research the numbers but I know that there were well over a hundred breeding bitches taken and many of them were pregnant. The most appalling was the 16 year old bitch that had a litter of puppies at the shelter after the raid. Nobody even considered that she was pregnant - she was so old that she couldn't walk, she was stone deaf and she had cataracts! Her entire life was spent in a cage pumping out at least 2 litters of puppies a year!

I know a woman that has a dog that she watched being auctioned off ("commercial breeders often have auctions to replace breeding stock or bring in new lines) twice at more money then she could afford to pay to rescue her. Someone else who had heard the dog's story managed to get her at an auction when she was about 3 years old. This dog was born stone deaf and literally has no eyes!! But she went for top dollar at the first two auctions because she was a good "producer"! This dog is now the spayed, pampered pet of one of the most determined puppymill fighters that I know.

[RedGlitter]

Wow! So many good points! I wanted to quote them all but I don't know how to do that.



Web, your post came out fine. I could see the smiley and didn't see anything underlined.



Yes, it upsets me when people are hurt by dogs unless it's their own stupidity that causes it. A kid who gets bitten for teasing a dog doesn't bother me. That's provocation. An adult who gets bitten for climbing into the neighbor's yard, same thing. I don't feel badly for stupid people. But in other cases, sure, I don't like to see people harmed and my love and respect for animals doesn't belie that. On the same hand, I don't suffer fools when it comes to animals and I don't support them being killed or maligned and having to wear a black eye for another dog that harmed someone that may not even be that same breed.



I recall when two Presa Canarios attacked and mutilated a woman, people were up in arms about "those damn pits!" Many people will not take the time to inform themselves. Instead, they will take what they get off the news (which puts on dog attacks because it gets people to watch) and assuem because it's the news it must be true. I know everybody isn't going to be a dog expert. I'm pretty knowledgeable but I don't claim to be an expert either. I do try to sniff out the facts though because I don't like being lied to and dogs are beings I love and enjoy.



Too many animals: Web, the reasons are: GREED and IGNORANCE. That's it in a nutshell. Mostly breeding is the problem but it's followed by people who give their pets up because they're moving or they had a baby or they got a new job or the dog doesn't match the furniture. (seriously) I could go on about the things I have heard from people dumping their pets. They still think the pound is going to find them a good home. My pound will kill before you clear the parking lot. This is why I am adamant on spay and neuter and adopting from the pound rather than having litters or buying a dog or cat.

[guppy]

Every animal i have ever gotten is fixed. my lab is a rescued dog from town. someone moved and left her there. a friend brought her to me. i am a sucker for animals. she is a very intelligent loyal lab. knows all her tricks. her name is abigail. a proud name for a proud blonde lab. i can't believe anybody could walk away from her.



my cats are fixed as well.



i love them to much to let them have babies that would not be taken care of.

[RedGlitter]

I wish everyone thought like you do, Gup. You are so responsible with your pets! Thank you! :-4

[guppy]

yea, i am bad. once a week puffer rides to town with me and orders chicken nuggets from krytals. he is on a first name basis with the people at the drive through.:wah: the little shitz even knows how to let the window down in the car himself.



i have had people tell me they wish they could be my dog before.