New Ripper?

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:12 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6173633.stm

This is all happening in Pinkys neck of the woods

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:14 pm

Looks like it.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:15 pm

God yes it is, whoever this guy is, he is on a rampage, its not nice at all. I hope that they catch him as quickly as possible, it doesn't bare thinking about otherwise. Very macabre.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:16 pm

job vacancy ipswich area prostitutes rquired good rates of pay but the shifts are murder

koan · Post by **koan** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:18 pm

in such a short time span too

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:18 pm

jimbo;484108 wrote: job vacancy ipswich area prostitutes rquired good rates of pay but the shifts are murder

Whoops, that was a bit too close to the bone there I think Jimbo! I don't think its very funny.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:18 pm

jimbo;484108 wrote: job vacancy ipswich area prostitutes rquired good rates of pay but the shifts are murder
Not funny

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:23 pm

i did not find it funny either thats why i never laughed some one texted it to my phone .. but its true the money may be good but if aids and drug related disease dont get you then a nutter probably will

why do women get into this sort of thing there is really only one out come at the end of the day ... destroyed lives

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:24 pm

jimbo;484120 wrote: i did not find it funny either thats why i never laughed some one texted it to my phone .. but its true the money may be good but if aids and drug related disease dont get you then a nutter probably will

why do women get into this sort of thing there is really only one out come at the end of the day ... destroyed lives :(Drugs.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:27 pm

abbey;484123 wrote: Drugs.
there must be other ways to pay for drugs

i cant see why people would do it , i really cant do they well i'm just gone a do this a couple of times and then i will lead a normal life

i dont get it at all

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:27 pm

jimbo;484120 wrote: i did not find it funny either thats why i never laughed some one texted it to my phone .. but its true the money may be good but if aids and drug related disease dont get you then a nutter probably will

why do women get into this sort of thing there is really only one out come at the end of the day ... destroyed lives

Jimbo, I think that the operative fact is that someone over there is a sick murderer on a rampage, its not really the time to discuss the subject of why women get into prostitution, I'm not being funny or anything, but you know what I mean.

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:30 pm

Galbally;484131 wrote: Jimbo, I think that the operative fact is that someone over there is a sick murderer on a rampage, its not really the time to discuss the subject of why women get into prostitution, I'm not being funny or anything, but you know what I mean.

totaly agree it just really saddens me that human beings can do this to themselves , they must realise something bad is going to happen i just hope they catch the wierdo soon

Post by **spot** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:34 pm

I find it annoying that even with such a crisis, the Suffolk police seem to have refused an amnesty to local working girls in an attempt to help them come forward with information. It's not just a matter of them avoiding becoming "known to the police" in that context, some of them are in breach of probation orders or ASBOs. The information they might have should be far more important than setting the precedent for a short-term amnesty on being charged.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:36 pm

Those poor young girls have parents and siblings lost to this evil bastard.

Sooner he's caught the better,

the big worry is, he could move further afield!:(

koan · Post by **koan** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:37 pm

spot;484140 wrote: I find it annoying that even with such a crisis, the Suffolk police seem to have refused an amnesty to local working girls in an attempt to help them come forward with information. It's not just a matter of them avoiding becoming "known to the police" in that context, some of them are in breach of probation orders or ASBOs. The information they might have should be far more important than setting the precedent for a short-term amnesty on being charged.

insane

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:39 pm

i can't find it now, but i thought the police did extend an amnesty to the working girls.

Post by **spot** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:41 pm

lady cop;484147 wrote: i can't find it now, but i thought the police did extend an amnesty to the working girls.The BBC radio news half an hour ago was obviously wrong then, and I apologize for misinforming the thread.

theia · Post by **theia** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:41 pm

Did anyone see the photos of one of the girls, when she was little (BBC news)? It seemed to make the whole thing even more sickening and tragic, if that's possible.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:42 pm

lady cop;484147 wrote: i can't find it now, but i thought the police did extend an amnesty to the working girls.
What type of amnesty, they'll turn a blind eye to them working?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:46 pm

jimbo;484129 wrote: there must be other ways to pay for drugs

There is,..only people develop a tolerance for it, and need it all the time...Drug addicts don't stop with just one "hit"...they keep going until they either OD, or run out of money...a habit many feel prostitution can satisfy according to the curve of addiction.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:47 pm

abbey;484153 wrote: What type of amnesty, they'll turn a blind eye to them working?i know i read it this morning, but cannot locate the cite now...yes, supposedly they were not going to make arrests or violate probations. they simply wanted them to suspend work for now.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:48 pm

spot;484150 wrote: The BBC radio news half an hour ago was obviously wrong then, and I apologize for misinforming the thread.i'm sure BBC news is more current than what i read this morning.

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:51 pm

I think the Police are looking to protect them. Most are probably known anyway and information is of paramount importance. Trade must be slow tonight.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:51 pm

spot;484140 wrote: I find it annoying that even with such a crisis, the Suffolk police seem to have refused an amnesty to local working girls in an attempt to help them come forward with information.

Fortunately "crimestoppers" and other such are fairly well-known. Prostitutes

won't be backward in coming forward. I doubt anyone else will be, either.

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/

Telephone: 0800 555 111

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:55 pm

Uncle Kram;484165 wrote: I think the Police are looking to protect them. Most are probably known anyway and information is or paramount importance. Trade must be slow tonight.

Information from the police released via the media is manipulated wherever

possible to achieve a helpful effect. We won't know the exact truth of "press

releases" for some time. I don't think it will be too long until arrests are made;

at least, I hope not.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:59 pm

spot;484140 wrote: I find it annoying that even with such a crisis, the Suffolk police seem to have refused an amnesty to local working girls in an attempt to help them come forward with information. It's not just a matter of them avoiding becoming "known to the police" in that context, some of them are in breach of probation orders or ASBOs. The information they might have should be far more important than setting the precedent for a short-term amnesty on being charged.

Again. like I said to Jimbo, (in a different context) its not the time to get your point in about police policy on prostitution or the government's strategy on workers rights for those working in the sex industry in England. Whats happening right now is that some very sick and murderous person is killing young women (their occupation is not the point) at a rate of knots, and that this person needs to be caught quickly before someone else loses their life, when that happens then it would be a good time to have a think about what the reality of life is for those that get into prostitution. You should have been a politican, you would be good at it.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:04 pm

I think I should modify that, because I suppose everyone is getting their tuppence in about prostitution because this series of events has highlighted it, but everyone, the fact that these girls are prostitutes is not the main point here, neither is the morality of prostitution or society's position on it, its not the prostitutes or the police that are murdering people, its this person, or persons, who need to be found and caught. I am sorry for singling you out spot, it was a bit unfair of me, I hadn't read most of the other posts when I replied to yours.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:05 pm

Sick indeed.

I am curious however why everyone is so upset about this particular instance when prostitutes are murdered every day, just not en masse?? I would think any dead prostitute would be a bad thing, yes?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:06 pm

Galbally;484183 wrote: I think I should modify that

You can edit your original post, for clarity - sometimes IMO it makes changes

easier to read.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:06 pm

Uncle Kram;484101 wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6173633.stm

This is all happening in Pinkys neck of the woods

Is there anyway to do this without having to read ?

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:08 pm

RedGlitter;484186 wrote: Sick indeed.

I am curious however why everyone is so upset about this particular instance when prostitutes are murdered every day, just not en masse?? I would think any dead prostitute would be a bad thing, yes?

Its a good point, I guess that given the number of girls that have been killed in such a short time, its inevitable that its going to be more highlighted than the less newsworthy but equally horrible killings and murders of individual prostitutes (or anyone else for that matter).

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:09 pm

RedGlitter;484186 wrote: Sick indeed.

I am curious however why everyone is so upset about this particular instance when prostitutes are murdered every day, just not en masse?? I would think any dead prostitute would be a bad thing, yes?Quite right Red, but England is a wee island and Ipswich a tiny place and 5 murders in the space of a week is pretty horrible by any standards.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:09 pm

RedGlitter;484186 wrote: I am curious however why everyone is so upset about this particular instance when prostitutes are murdered every day, just not en masse??

I suppose for the same reason that multiple deaths from any cause (such as

ones in major road traffic pile-ups) are perceived as more upsetting than the

same number of deaths in individual incidents.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:09 pm

Bill Sikes;484187 wrote: You can edit your original post, for clarity - sometimes IMO it makes changes

easier to read.

Yes, I know, but I thought that it would be more honest of me to leave the first post there, and it was already read anyway, so I did it the long way round.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:10 pm

abbey;484194 wrote: Quite right Red, but England is a wee island

. Sorry, Abs!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:10 pm

Galbally;484197 wrote: Yes, I know, but I thought that it would be more honest of me to leave the first post there, and it was already read anyway, so I did it the long way round.

'K. That's a good reason, too - horses for courses.

Edit: Not trying to stir.

Post by **spot** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:12 pm

Galbally;484183 wrote: I think I should modify that, because I suppose everyone is getting their tuppence in about prostitution because this series of events has highlighted it, but everyone, the fact that these girls are prostitutes is not the main point here, neither is the morality of prostitution or society's position on it, its not the prostitutes or the police that are murdering people, its this person, or persons, who need to be found and caught. I am sorry for singling you out spot, it was a bit unfair of me, I hadn't read most of the other posts when I replied to yours.The point that more information might be forthcoming seems a sound one to me.

This is the print version of the main BBC evening radio 4 news story this evening, since they think it's worth emphasizing as well:The English Collective of Prostitutes said sex workers and clients fear being arrested if they come forward. Police promised anonymity and confidentiality.

Nicki Adams, who spoke to a number of sex workers who work in the vicinity where the dead women were discovered, said of the police: "They did not want to call it an amnesty but they said the women's safety was a priority.

"But the women do not feel that is enough. We are pressing for an amnesty to be formalised until the murder investigation is complete.

"A short-term amnesty would mean the women could come forward with information even if they had an outstanding warrant or had breached an Asbo.

[...]

The spokeswoman for Suffolk Police added: "Those are long-term issues that we don't think are appropriate at this time."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6169811.stm

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:12 pm

RedGlitter;484186 wrote: Sick indeed.

I am curious however why everyone is so upset about this particular instance when prostitutes are murdered every day, just not en masse?? I would think any dead prostitute would be a bad thing, yes?
I agree Red, but I think the concern over here is that this could compare with the infamous Yorkshire Ripper if this maniac isn't caught

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:13 pm

abbey;484194 wrote: Quite right Red, but England is a wee island and Ipswich a tiny place and 5 murders in the space of a week is pretty horrible by any standards.

That helps make more sense Abbey. I'm not at all familiar with Ipswich. Thanks.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:13 pm

Is the Yorkshire Ripper "Jack?"

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:15 pm

who everf it is is not wasting much time between murders. his thirst for it is esculating........i dont think it will stop untill he is caught.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:16 pm

RedGlitter;484209 wrote: Is the Yorkshire Ripper "Jack?"
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_kill ... ask_1.html

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:19 pm

RedGlitter;484207 wrote: That helps make more sense Abbey. I'm not at all familiar with Ipswich. Thanks.

No, the Yorkshire Ripper is Peter Sutcliffe, and he murdered a lot more women that the infamous Jack the ripper of Victorian London, Sutcliffe was active as a serial killer in the 1970s and he killed a lot of girls (over 15 I think), and not all prostitutes, it went on for years and was a particularly grotesque case, fortunatly he was eventually caught. I just hope they catch this guy more quickly, I suspect somehow that they will.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:21 pm

Oh! I didn't even know about that guy. I will go read up. Thanks Galbally and thanks Abb for the link.

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:43 pm

Galbally;484219 wrote: No, the Yorkshire Ripper is Peter Sutcliffe, and he murdered a lot more women that the infamous Jack the ripper of Victorian London, Sutcliffe was active as a serial killer in the 1970s and he killed a lot of girls (over 15 I think), and not all prostitutes, it went on for years and was a particularly grotesque case, fortunatly he was eventually caught. I just hope they catch this guy more quickly, I suspect somehow that they will.
As this is so high profile, and with techniques that were unavailable in the Yorkshire Ripper hunt, (and good luck), I would imagine that the more murders that are committed, the higher the chance of him being caught

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:46 pm

Uncle Kram;484237 wrote: As this is so high profile, and with techniques that were unavailable in the Yorkshire Ripper hunt, (and good luck), I would imagine that the more murders that are committed, the higher the chance of him being caught
Let's hope it does'nt get to that stage

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:49 pm

serial killers are nothing new. there have been many, some high-profile, some not, and with a bigger body count. unfortunately prostitutes are very vulnerable victims. i can see where in a small town this is a total shock however.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:50 pm

Uncle Kram;484237 wrote: As this is so high profile, and with techniques that were unavailable in the Yorkshire Ripper hunt, (and good luck), I would imagine that the more murders that are committed, the higher the chance of him being caught

Yes I would agree, I once considered going into forensic science, but after a few lectures (which included one by the British specialist who had worked on the Fred West and Dennis Neilson cases), it was probably the most gruesome thing I ever encountered, in terms of the actual case studies and files he showed us. I decided it wasn't for me, interesting career though, but a bit off topic, sorry.

venus · Post by **venus** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:24 pm

The whole thing is awful, but lm sure LC will back me on this.

It seems odd to me that some one would jump from nowhere to murdering so many in such a short space.

I heard they are looking into other deaths and incidents to see if there could be any connection.

From my readings l find it odd for a serial to have this kind of sudden mania in a killing spree, he must have escalated or maybe a traumatic experience for example has set him off.

I wonder if he is going to be a classic psycopath or a sociopath, either way the man is dangerous and l hope those women are careful and wish they would get off the streets for a while at least. The only problem with that is the killer will more than likely just move to another location, in order to satisfy the need to kill.

I have a feeling the death toll will be a lot higher than 5, as he may have beenaround for along time and may be around for awhile longer, he appears to have no fear. Committing murder in an area where he/she knows that there are alot of police and the people are being extra vigilant.

venus · Post by **venus** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:49 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6172499.stm

just found this one