What is your opinion on boxed wine?
It has a bad reputation here in the states. I broke down and bought some wine in a box the other night after realizing how much money I spend on wine..
And, well, I was very disappointed. Not to mention I felt awful the next day after only two, okay two and a half glasses.
Has anyone out there had better luck?
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
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RedGlitter
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
I laugh at box wine.
If some guy showed up at my door with box wine, I'd set my dog on him.
There's class in the glass. :wah:
If some guy showed up at my door with box wine, I'd set my dog on him.
There's class in the glass. :wah:
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
far to much wine to drink in one sitting.
Oh sorry nope I have nothing good to say about boxed wine. Mind you I have seen a great looking tetra pack of wine, perfect for packing into the back pack. :wah:
Oh sorry nope I have nothing good to say about boxed wine. Mind you I have seen a great looking tetra pack of wine, perfect for packing into the back pack. :wah:
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
boxed wine is nothing but trouble- and always makes you feel crappy!!! Don't do it!!:D
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Sweet Tooth;603023 wrote: boxed wine is nothing but trouble- and always makes you feel crappy!!! Don't do it!!:D
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
I have a great aunt who drinks wine in a box like it's water. But she's a strange cookie anways. :wah:
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
NotToday;602993 wrote: What is your opinion on boxed wine?
It has a bad reputation here in the states. I broke down and bought some wine in a box the other night after realizing how much money I spend on wine..
And, well, I was very disappointed. Not to mention I felt awful the next day after only two, okay two and a half glasses.
Has anyone out there had better luck?
It's hardly gourmet, but depends on how it is used. It works well for large gatherings where offering everyone botlles of wine just isn't economical or practical, things like large picnics and bar-b-q's.
It has a bad reputation here in the states. I broke down and bought some wine in a box the other night after realizing how much money I spend on wine..
And, well, I was very disappointed. Not to mention I felt awful the next day after only two, okay two and a half glasses.
Has anyone out there had better luck?
It's hardly gourmet, but depends on how it is used. It works well for large gatherings where offering everyone botlles of wine just isn't economical or practical, things like large picnics and bar-b-q's.
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
NotToday;602993 wrote: What is your opinion on boxed wine?
It depends entirely on what is in the bag in the first place. Crap in a box is the same as crap in a bottle. A very vague indicator of what's in the box is the price. After you've spent your hard-earned, you can then make up your mind about the contents.
In the UK, a "hard discount" supermarket called Aldi sells the same wine both boxed and bottled. Here's what their site has to say about the difference:
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19.04.2007, Wineblog
The Bottle Or The Box! A sector of the wine trade that gives us an insight into the changing habits of customers is the growth in wine bag-in-box sales. For years, sidelined as the place of last resort for the lowest quality wine imaginable, the only brand that seemed to take the area seriously was Stowell’s of Chelsea. How different things are now with the 3 litre bag-in-box accounting for 10% of off trade sales and branded product selling for over £20 in major multiple retailers. Apparently in Sweden over 80% of sales are in this format.
At ALDI we launched our first bag-in-box product in Spring 2005 and it has been such a success that we now have five different products. Permanently in the range we have a Shiraz and Chardonnay from France priced at £10.99 and for the summer we will have three Badgers Creek Australian wines, a red, white and rosé all at £11.99. We first launched the Badgers Creek red and white last summer and they were such a success that the rosé had to join them this year.
What fascinates me most was the fact that the huge sales we had with the Australian bag-in-box wines had very little impact on the sales of the 75cl bottle of the Badgers Creek wines. We did not transfer sales from one format to the other but achieved a whole new level of sales. As they are identical wines – whether they are in a box or the bottle – this led me to question what were the driving forces behind the customers decision-making.
Let us take it as a given that ALDI customers like the taste of our Australian red and white wines – they are two of our biggest sellers so this is evidently true – so what other factors are driving the choice between the two formats and why is it attracting new customers?
1. Value for money – £11.99 equates to £3 per bottle so it is a 10% saving if you buy a bag-in-box over four bottles of wine (the equivalent volume).
2. Cost of purchase – £11.99 is a lot of money to pay out in one product so it may be that many customers prefer to buy four different wines and pay a little more per litre for the privilege of choice.
3. Repeat use – the bag-in-box is the perfect format for regular tipples and keeps the wine fresh for several weeks. The same can’t be said when you replace a cork in the bottle.
4. Party-format – bag-in-box is great for parties and BBQs. Who wants to run out of wine when throwing a bash?
5. Safe transport – it’s a lot harder to smash a bag-in-box than a bottle. However I don’t recommend trying this!
Clearly then some customers, at certain times, like the bag-in-box format and make it their key feature when choosing a wine. This summer I am trying to help them further by making the Badgers Creek Bag-in-Box ‘fridge friendly’, which will be especially beneficial for the white and rosé. Later this year we will be launching a trial with a 2 litre bag-in-box and next week sees us dip our toes into the 25cl market. Whatever the sales result I am sure they will give an insight into customers needs, now and in the future.
Aldi Wine Buyer
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This place is much cheaper than the "mainstream" supermarkets - however, many
of their products are quite OK - very good indeed, in some cases. They are worth a try for wine, IMO - I have bought bottles from there between £2.49 and £11.99, and the ones I've tried have been at least good.
It depends entirely on what is in the bag in the first place. Crap in a box is the same as crap in a bottle. A very vague indicator of what's in the box is the price. After you've spent your hard-earned, you can then make up your mind about the contents.
In the UK, a "hard discount" supermarket called Aldi sells the same wine both boxed and bottled. Here's what their site has to say about the difference:
"
19.04.2007, Wineblog
The Bottle Or The Box! A sector of the wine trade that gives us an insight into the changing habits of customers is the growth in wine bag-in-box sales. For years, sidelined as the place of last resort for the lowest quality wine imaginable, the only brand that seemed to take the area seriously was Stowell’s of Chelsea. How different things are now with the 3 litre bag-in-box accounting for 10% of off trade sales and branded product selling for over £20 in major multiple retailers. Apparently in Sweden over 80% of sales are in this format.
At ALDI we launched our first bag-in-box product in Spring 2005 and it has been such a success that we now have five different products. Permanently in the range we have a Shiraz and Chardonnay from France priced at £10.99 and for the summer we will have three Badgers Creek Australian wines, a red, white and rosé all at £11.99. We first launched the Badgers Creek red and white last summer and they were such a success that the rosé had to join them this year.
What fascinates me most was the fact that the huge sales we had with the Australian bag-in-box wines had very little impact on the sales of the 75cl bottle of the Badgers Creek wines. We did not transfer sales from one format to the other but achieved a whole new level of sales. As they are identical wines – whether they are in a box or the bottle – this led me to question what were the driving forces behind the customers decision-making.
Let us take it as a given that ALDI customers like the taste of our Australian red and white wines – they are two of our biggest sellers so this is evidently true – so what other factors are driving the choice between the two formats and why is it attracting new customers?
1. Value for money – £11.99 equates to £3 per bottle so it is a 10% saving if you buy a bag-in-box over four bottles of wine (the equivalent volume).
2. Cost of purchase – £11.99 is a lot of money to pay out in one product so it may be that many customers prefer to buy four different wines and pay a little more per litre for the privilege of choice.
3. Repeat use – the bag-in-box is the perfect format for regular tipples and keeps the wine fresh for several weeks. The same can’t be said when you replace a cork in the bottle.
4. Party-format – bag-in-box is great for parties and BBQs. Who wants to run out of wine when throwing a bash?
5. Safe transport – it’s a lot harder to smash a bag-in-box than a bottle. However I don’t recommend trying this!
Clearly then some customers, at certain times, like the bag-in-box format and make it their key feature when choosing a wine. This summer I am trying to help them further by making the Badgers Creek Bag-in-Box ‘fridge friendly’, which will be especially beneficial for the white and rosé. Later this year we will be launching a trial with a 2 litre bag-in-box and next week sees us dip our toes into the 25cl market. Whatever the sales result I am sure they will give an insight into customers needs, now and in the future.
Aldi Wine Buyer
"
This place is much cheaper than the "mainstream" supermarkets - however, many
of their products are quite OK - very good indeed, in some cases. They are worth a try for wine, IMO - I have bought bottles from there between £2.49 and £11.99, and the ones I've tried have been at least good.
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Soberano;603094 wrote: Ugh, bloody awful. You look silly sat on the beach drinking from a box. D
They're not much use in a fight, either.
They're not much use in a fight, either.
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Bill Sikes;603133 wrote: It depends entirely on what is in the bag in the first place. Crap in a box is the same as crap in a bottle. A very vague indicator of what's in the box is the price. After you've spent your hard-earned, you can then make up your mind about the contents.
In the UK, a "hard discount" supermarket called Aldi sells the same wine both boxed and bottled. Here's what their site has to say about the difference:
"
19.04.2007, Wineblog
The Bottle Or The Box! A sector of the wine trade that gives us an insight into the changing habits of customers is the growth in wine bag-in-box sales. For years, sidelined as the place of last resort for the lowest quality wine imaginable, the only brand that seemed to take the area seriously was Stowell’s of Chelsea. How different things are now with the 3 litre bag-in-box accounting for 10% of off trade sales and branded product selling for over £20 in major multiple retailers. Apparently in Sweden over 80% of sales are in this format.
At ALDI we launched our first bag-in-box product in Spring 2005 and it has been such a success that we now have five different products. Permanently in the range we have a Shiraz and Chardonnay from France priced at £10.99 and for the summer we will have three Badgers Creek Australian wines, a red, white and rosé all at £11.99. We first launched the Badgers Creek red and white last summer and they were such a success that the rosé had to join them this year.
What fascinates me most was the fact that the huge sales we had with the Australian bag-in-box wines had very little impact on the sales of the 75cl bottle of the Badgers Creek wines. We did not transfer sales from one format to the other but achieved a whole new level of sales. As they are identical wines – whether they are in a box or the bottle – this led me to question what were the driving forces behind the customers decision-making.
Let us take it as a given that ALDI customers like the taste of our Australian red and white wines – they are two of our biggest sellers so this is evidently true – so what other factors are driving the choice between the two formats and why is it attracting new customers?
1. Value for money – £11.99 equates to £3 per bottle so it is a 10% saving if you buy a bag-in-box over four bottles of wine (the equivalent volume).
2. Cost of purchase – £11.99 is a lot of money to pay out in one product so it may be that many customers prefer to buy four different wines and pay a little more per litre for the privilege of choice.
3. Repeat use – the bag-in-box is the perfect format for regular tipples and keeps the wine fresh for several weeks. The same can’t be said when you replace a cork in the bottle.
4. Party-format – bag-in-box is great for parties and BBQs. Who wants to run out of wine when throwing a bash?
5. Safe transport – it’s a lot harder to smash a bag-in-box than a bottle. However I don’t recommend trying this!
Clearly then some customers, at certain times, like the bag-in-box format and make it their key feature when choosing a wine. This summer I am trying to help them further by making the Badgers Creek Bag-in-Box ‘fridge friendly’, which will be especially beneficial for the white and rosé. Later this year we will be launching a trial with a 2 litre bag-in-box and next week sees us dip our toes into the 25cl market. Whatever the sales result I am sure they will give an insight into customers needs, now and in the future.
Aldi Wine Buyer
"
This place is much cheaper than the "mainstream" supermarkets - however, many
of their products are quite OK - very good indeed, in some cases. They are worth a try for wine, IMO - I have bought bottles from there between £2.49 and £11.99, and the ones I've tried have been at least good.
interesting... we have Aldi here too, I don't think it is the same though
In the UK, a "hard discount" supermarket called Aldi sells the same wine both boxed and bottled. Here's what their site has to say about the difference:
"
19.04.2007, Wineblog
The Bottle Or The Box! A sector of the wine trade that gives us an insight into the changing habits of customers is the growth in wine bag-in-box sales. For years, sidelined as the place of last resort for the lowest quality wine imaginable, the only brand that seemed to take the area seriously was Stowell’s of Chelsea. How different things are now with the 3 litre bag-in-box accounting for 10% of off trade sales and branded product selling for over £20 in major multiple retailers. Apparently in Sweden over 80% of sales are in this format.
At ALDI we launched our first bag-in-box product in Spring 2005 and it has been such a success that we now have five different products. Permanently in the range we have a Shiraz and Chardonnay from France priced at £10.99 and for the summer we will have three Badgers Creek Australian wines, a red, white and rosé all at £11.99. We first launched the Badgers Creek red and white last summer and they were such a success that the rosé had to join them this year.
What fascinates me most was the fact that the huge sales we had with the Australian bag-in-box wines had very little impact on the sales of the 75cl bottle of the Badgers Creek wines. We did not transfer sales from one format to the other but achieved a whole new level of sales. As they are identical wines – whether they are in a box or the bottle – this led me to question what were the driving forces behind the customers decision-making.
Let us take it as a given that ALDI customers like the taste of our Australian red and white wines – they are two of our biggest sellers so this is evidently true – so what other factors are driving the choice between the two formats and why is it attracting new customers?
1. Value for money – £11.99 equates to £3 per bottle so it is a 10% saving if you buy a bag-in-box over four bottles of wine (the equivalent volume).
2. Cost of purchase – £11.99 is a lot of money to pay out in one product so it may be that many customers prefer to buy four different wines and pay a little more per litre for the privilege of choice.
3. Repeat use – the bag-in-box is the perfect format for regular tipples and keeps the wine fresh for several weeks. The same can’t be said when you replace a cork in the bottle.
4. Party-format – bag-in-box is great for parties and BBQs. Who wants to run out of wine when throwing a bash?
5. Safe transport – it’s a lot harder to smash a bag-in-box than a bottle. However I don’t recommend trying this!
Clearly then some customers, at certain times, like the bag-in-box format and make it their key feature when choosing a wine. This summer I am trying to help them further by making the Badgers Creek Bag-in-Box ‘fridge friendly’, which will be especially beneficial for the white and rosé. Later this year we will be launching a trial with a 2 litre bag-in-box and next week sees us dip our toes into the 25cl market. Whatever the sales result I am sure they will give an insight into customers needs, now and in the future.
Aldi Wine Buyer
"
This place is much cheaper than the "mainstream" supermarkets - however, many
of their products are quite OK - very good indeed, in some cases. They are worth a try for wine, IMO - I have bought bottles from there between £2.49 and £11.99, and the ones I've tried have been at least good.
interesting... we have Aldi here too, I don't think it is the same though
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NotToday;603776 wrote: interesting... we have Aldi here too, I don't think it is the same though )
It seems to be the same.... http://aldi.us/ have a "wine and beer" page, although there's rather less choice than in the UK http://www.aldi.co.uk/
It seems to be the same.... http://aldi.us/ have a "wine and beer" page, although there's rather less choice than in the UK http://www.aldi.co.uk/
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
NotToday;603776 wrote: interesting... we have Aldi here too, I don't think it is the same though
:yh_rotfl
Aldi's...
:yh_rotfl
Do you have a Kroger there NotToday?
There are some very good cheap wines that I've found at Kroger that are actually not very bad...
If you've ever heard of Sutter Home I would recommend that...It's about $10 a bottle...
Also, Carlos Rosi, a table wine, isn't very bad at all...
:yh_rotfl
Aldi's...
:yh_rotfl
Do you have a Kroger there NotToday?
There are some very good cheap wines that I've found at Kroger that are actually not very bad...
If you've ever heard of Sutter Home I would recommend that...It's about $10 a bottle...
Also, Carlos Rosi, a table wine, isn't very bad at all...
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Kathy Ellen;604313 wrote: K, do you have a "Trader Joes" near you. It's a gourmet, cheap food market. I think you can google the site and order on line. If not look for one for best buys on wines from all over the world. You can buy cheap and delicious wines from Spain, Portugal, Italy and South America for some less than $5.00. Every wine is great. You can also pick up dinner and very unusual items from Europe.
Never heard of Trader Joes...
We have regular stores here that carry cheap wine so I usually just buy them when I really don't feel like spending $50 for a bottle of wine...
I've usually tend to stay with the wines that I'm used to as the first time I bought a wine that I have never seen or heard of before tasted like a cardboard box...
Never heard of Trader Joes...
We have regular stores here that carry cheap wine so I usually just buy them when I really don't feel like spending $50 for a bottle of wine...
I've usually tend to stay with the wines that I'm used to as the first time I bought a wine that I have never seen or heard of before tasted like a cardboard box...
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Kathy Ellen;604281 wrote: No, no, no...just buy a good, decent wine and enjoy the pleasures it gives you. Let me go down to my cavernous wine cellar and see what I have for you to tast. Be right back.
mmm hurry! lol
mmm hurry! lol
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Kathy Ellen;604302 wrote: Ahhhhhh, found a few that are really, really nice and all under $22 or so.
How about a:
Selaks Drylands Savignon Blanc 2000 pre dinner drink...sensational. Have it with white fish.
Riesling with its citrus acidity is a winner in the hot summer. Try a Vidal Estate Riesling 2000 or a Sanctuary Marlborough Riesling 2000 with fish fritters.
Have a chardonnay with chicken....Grove Mill Marlborough Chardonnay 1999 or Korbel chardonnay champagne with strawberries, cheese and crackers.
Have a Gewurztraminer 2000 with spicy Asian foods.
What about an Aussie Shiraz???? This is a spicy wine that's good with sausages. Try an Aussie Tyrrells Old Winery Shiraz 1998 , if you can find it.
I've set out some very nice fruit, crackers and Waterfort crystal for you tasting. ENJOY:-4
MMm Shiraz, it makes me feel so cozy!
How about a:
Selaks Drylands Savignon Blanc 2000 pre dinner drink...sensational. Have it with white fish.
Riesling with its citrus acidity is a winner in the hot summer. Try a Vidal Estate Riesling 2000 or a Sanctuary Marlborough Riesling 2000 with fish fritters.
Have a chardonnay with chicken....Grove Mill Marlborough Chardonnay 1999 or Korbel chardonnay champagne with strawberries, cheese and crackers.
Have a Gewurztraminer 2000 with spicy Asian foods.
What about an Aussie Shiraz???? This is a spicy wine that's good with sausages. Try an Aussie Tyrrells Old Winery Shiraz 1998 , if you can find it.
I've set out some very nice fruit, crackers and Waterfort crystal for you tasting. ENJOY:-4
MMm Shiraz, it makes me feel so cozy!
"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax, and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
K.Snyder;604306 wrote: :yh_rotfl
Aldi's...
:yh_rotfl
Do you have a Kroger there NotToday?
There are some very good cheap wines that I've found at Kroger that are actually not very bad...
If you've ever heard of Sutter Home I would recommend that...It's about $10 a bottle...
Also, Carlos Rosi, a table wine, isn't very bad at all...
yes, we have Kroger.
I guess it's a state thing but our Krogers in TN can't sell wine because they sell beer.
Oh well, I'm all about the class in the glass, but when it's just me myself and I enjoying the wine, I was looking for a cheaper way around it.
I guess sometimes you get what you pay for
Aldi's...
:yh_rotfl
Do you have a Kroger there NotToday?
There are some very good cheap wines that I've found at Kroger that are actually not very bad...
If you've ever heard of Sutter Home I would recommend that...It's about $10 a bottle...
Also, Carlos Rosi, a table wine, isn't very bad at all...
yes, we have Kroger.
I guess it's a state thing but our Krogers in TN can't sell wine because they sell beer.
Oh well, I'm all about the class in the glass, but when it's just me myself and I enjoying the wine, I was looking for a cheaper way around it.
I guess sometimes you get what you pay for
"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax, and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
NotToday;604337 wrote: yes, we have Kroger.
I guess it's a state thing but our Krogers in TN can't sell wine because they sell beer.
Wow, I never heard of that...
I guess it's a state thing but our Krogers in TN can't sell wine because they sell beer.
Wow, I never heard of that...
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
K.Snyder;604342 wrote: Wow, I never heard of that...
TN has some really off the wall laws.
TN has some really off the wall laws.
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
NotToday;602993 wrote: What is your opinion on boxed wine?
We call it goon here. It is bloody awful rubbish that you drink as a uni student because you have no money. In fact I doubt it is even really wine, more like filtered bits from the bottom of a kitty-litter tray with red food dye (That's for red, they can leave it out on the white stuff)
If you are looking for good wine it comes in bottles, not boxes. So stop looking in the boxes because you have more chance of finding a the missing continent of Atlantis than anything remotely drinkable.
But of course, it's what you like I guess...
We call it goon here. It is bloody awful rubbish that you drink as a uni student because you have no money. In fact I doubt it is even really wine, more like filtered bits from the bottom of a kitty-litter tray with red food dye (That's for red, they can leave it out on the white stuff)
If you are looking for good wine it comes in bottles, not boxes. So stop looking in the boxes because you have more chance of finding a the missing continent of Atlantis than anything remotely drinkable.
But of course, it's what you like I guess...
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
I found this article you might want to read if you are looking for wines that are relatively cheap...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06181/702443-34.stm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06181/702443-34.stm
Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Wine doesn't have to be expensive to be good... many of the more expensive wines aren't ready to be consumed for years often, anyway.
I've had boxed wine at a gallery opening or two... it wouldn't be my choice for a romantic, candlelit dinner, mind you... but...
I've had boxed wine at a gallery opening or two... it wouldn't be my choice for a romantic, candlelit dinner, mind you... but...
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NotToday;604336 wrote: MMm Shiraz
Syrah. The Aussies call it "shiraz".
Syrah. The Aussies call it "shiraz".
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Kathy Ellen;604313 wrote: You can buy cheap and delicious wines from Spain, Portugal, Italy and South America for some less than $5.00. Every wine is great.
Eh? In this breath you say the above, after having pooh-poohed wine of similar price sold by a discounter, but before it was wines that are "really nice and all
under $22 or so"!
Eh? In this breath you say the above, after having pooh-poohed wine of similar price sold by a discounter, but before it was wines that are "really nice and all
under $22 or so"!
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Wine drinkers, I have a question.
Jamesblonde;604348 wrote: We call it goon here. It is bloody awful rubbish that you drink as a uni student because you have no money. In fact I doubt it is even really wine, more like filtered bits from the bottom of a kitty-litter tray with red food dye (That's for red, they can leave it out on the white stuff)
If you are looking for good wine it comes in bottles, not boxes. So stop looking in the boxes because you have more chance of finding a the missing continent of Atlantis than anything remotely drinkable.
But of course, it's what you like I guess...
Do you say the same for wine which comes in bottles with crown caps, screw caps, plastic corks, or composite corks?
If you are looking for good wine it comes in bottles, not boxes. So stop looking in the boxes because you have more chance of finding a the missing continent of Atlantis than anything remotely drinkable.
But of course, it's what you like I guess...
Do you say the same for wine which comes in bottles with crown caps, screw caps, plastic corks, or composite corks?